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Bill Sloman
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On Aug 21, 9:52 am, Joerg <inva...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
between Alabama and the Univeristy of Alabama at Huntsville until I
needed a club to beat krw over the head with.
Climate Files"
http://transitionculture.org/2010/07/29/book-review-the-climate-files-by-fred-pearce/
which - sadly - shows up the fact that Fred Peearce isn't
scientifically trained and doesn't appreciate the extent to which
scientists are trained to protect the integrity of the peer-reviewed
literature, and is consequently critical of the - entirely justified -
vigour of their response when it was contaminated by pseudo-scientific
crap. It still makes it perfectly clear that the scientists involved
weren't falsifying their results, or doing anything improper, though
they certainly didn't like being persecuted by frivolous and malicious
"freedom of information" demands from denialsts trawling for yet more
propaganda-fodder.
My copy of the book is back in Nijmegen, so I can't give you chapter
and verse.
dilatory in collecting them just because they might lead to - say - a
better alternative to dilation and curretage.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dilation_and_curettage
which does seem to be roughly equivalent to what Christy and Spencer
did - or rather failed to do when they should have done.
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
It was purely in reponse to krw's post. I didn't make the connectionBillSlomanwrote:
On Aug 21, 12:17 am, Joerg <inva...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
BillSlomanwrote:
On 20/08/2011 3:34 AM, Joerg wrote:
BillSlomanwrote:
On 20/08/2011 2:46 AM, Joerg wrote:
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If I'd needed a quiet lab place I'd find something in the outbacks of
Alabama or similar states. Then you are neither bothered by RF fields
nor by biz-hostile politicians.
On the other hand, the chances of being able to hire locally resident
expert help wouldn't be that great.
Near Huntsville? You've got to be kidding ...
The University of Alabama at Huntsville (UAH) has a certain fame amongst
people who are persuaded by the evidence for anthropogenic global warming.
Two of the researchers there - Spencer and Christy - were a bit slow to
correct their satellite data for orbital decay, and for a while their
uncorrected figures deviated from the predictions of the climate models.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite_temperature_measurements
Roy Spencer is a card-carrying fundamentalist, and John Christy has spent
time as a bi-vocatiinal mission-pastor. This may - in part - explain why
they are two of the nine top climate scientists (out of the top 300) who
aren't persuaded by the evidence for anthropogenic global warming. Maybe
they think a loving God couldn't be that mean.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Roy_Spencer
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=John_R._Christy
Their kind of expertise can't entirely be relied on
You seem to be rather desperate to get yet another AGW debate going,
aren't you?
Far from it. It was just a handy fact to drop on krw in reaction to
him calling me ignorant, which counts as gratuitous abuse in my book.
So why did you do it in response to my post? Not that I'd mind, just
curious.
between Alabama and the Univeristy of Alabama at Huntsville until I
needed a club to beat krw over the head with.
I've read the e-mails, and Fred Pearce's book about the affair - "TheForget it, since climategate nobody is interested much anymore.
Climategate just illustrated that climate scientists get upset when
some denialist saboteur manages to smuggle a totally inadequate paper
into the peer-reviewed literature. When it turned out that the action
editor had ignored four peer reviews telling him that the paper was
crap, and the publisher refused to dump the - denialist - action
editor, most of the editorial board of the journal resinged in
protest.
The denialist lobby seized on the e-mails that covered the nuts and
bolts of the University of East Anglia finding out what had been done
and telling people about it, as if it was some sort of evil
conspiracy, when in fact it was just the peer-review mechanism in
error-correction mode.
It was just one more denialist campaign to persuade the general public
to distrust good scientific information which doesn't happen to suit
the financial interests of the fossil-carbon extraction industry. The
fact that you haven't realised that climategate was pure denialist
propaganda is a tribute to the effectiveness of the propaganda machine
- and a worrying indicator of the effectiveness of paid advertising in
moulding public opinion.
Read some of the more juicy emails again. Have you forgotten? Or purged
from your mind because it doesn't jibe with your mantra? It couldn't
have gotten any more damaging than that (for warmingists).
Climate Files"
http://transitionculture.org/2010/07/29/book-review-the-climate-files-by-fred-pearce/
which - sadly - shows up the fact that Fred Peearce isn't
scientifically trained and doesn't appreciate the extent to which
scientists are trained to protect the integrity of the peer-reviewed
literature, and is consequently critical of the - entirely justified -
vigour of their response when it was contaminated by pseudo-scientific
crap. It still makes it perfectly clear that the scientists involved
weren't falsifying their results, or doing anything improper, though
they certainly didn't like being persecuted by frivolous and malicious
"freedom of information" demands from denialsts trawling for yet more
propaganda-fodder.
My copy of the book is back in Nijmegen, so I can't give you chapter
and verse.
Absolutely. But you aren't allowed to lie about yours results or beBTW, it's not a university that matters, it's the employers that are
already in the area.
And the potential employees that they've got to work with.
... And they are Baptists - perhaps not
as sincerely Baptist as the inhabitants of Urk are Calvinist, but still
pretty inflexible - so you'd run the risk of being rejected as a
schismatic Lutheran.
Baptists and Lutherans get along quite well, and I love their choirs..
They can make the rafters shake.
Unfortunately, that kind of belief can gnaw at the foundations as well as
shaking the rafters.
My faith is my foundation and it is unshakeable. Nothing you can do
about that
It's not your foundations that I'm worried about, it's the foundations
of the science that you - indirectly - rely on to make your money. If
your sub-contradtors were to reject experimental evidence because they
thought that the results didn't fit with their - say, anti-abortion -
theology you could eventually find yourself in serious trouble with
the FDA.
For the record, I am against abortion and if someone wanted me to work
on some device that is used in that area I will refuse. It is my right
to do so.
dilatory in collecting them just because they might lead to - say - a
better alternative to dilation and curretage.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dilation_and_curettage
which does seem to be roughly equivalent to what Christy and Spencer
did - or rather failed to do when they should have done.
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen