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If they did we could just sell them back the power we buy from them and make aOn Thu, 09 Aug 2007 20:20:48 -0700, tuppy <george@joho.com> wrote:
I am hoping the labor party gets in, then increases the solar rebate
as promised.
then Ill buy 20K worth of panels with inbuilt mini inverters on the
back of them.
ie no batteries at all. Then get a rebate back of $8- $10k.
So I would be looking at getting back $10-$12K generating as much
power as possible and not actually using it myself. This
installation would be on my weekender house which is mostly
unoccupied. Thus I dont want credit, just hard cash to pay off
these
panels asap!! Problem is integral only give you credit (yes at 1/2
rate u buy it) but better than nothing. Goal is to get these panels
paid off in record time..
I doubt that even in Victoria they will pay you a higher rate for
power you put into the grid compared to what they charge you for power
you take from the grid. Power utilities (Australian) don't usually
work that way.
I had a look over the Origin Energy website to see if I could find
anything regarding solar energy buy back rates but this information is
not obvious anywhere. In contrast, Synergy in WA, are completely open
about it
http://www.synergyenergy.com.au/Residential_Segment/Green_Energy/Sale_%26_Purchase_Rates.html
It's for real and it's easy, all you need is a "grid inverter", youtuppy wrote:
Is anybody actually selling power back to the grid? I know there are
green power credit schemes but this appears to only wind back the
meter or give you credit. I am trying to figure out which company
actually gives you hard cash for electricity sold to the grid. Im
wondering If I can make even a small income from it?
I've claims of people with solar installations selling excess power back
into the grid, but this tends to be in articles or promotional material, and
seems more of an implication that it *could* be done rather than actually
happening. I guess the inverter would have to be synchronised to the mains
frequency, but to actually get power to flow into the grid it'd have to
output a voltage marginally higher than the grid voltage?
All we need is for the price of a grid connected solar system to dropDavid L. Jones wrote:
On Aug 9, 4:27 pm, tuppy <geo...@joho.com> wrote:
Is anybody actually selling power back to the grid? I know there are
green power credit schemes but this appears to only wind back the
meter or give you credit. I am trying to figure out which company
actually gives you hard cash for electricity sold to the grid. Im
wondering If I can make even a small income from it?
Forget it, unless you do it for the love of it. You will never get
your money back, well, not for say 20 years.
Michael mobs does it, I've been to his place and seen his
installation, and he mentioned that he actually got a cash return. No
idea who he is (or was) with though.
http://www.sustainablehouse.com.au/
Plenty of others feed back to the grid as well, but now that you can
simply buy 100% accredited solar or wind power (at a premium), it's
far far cheaper to simply do that than have your own local power
generation system. If you are in a windy rural area then perhaps you
could feed back wind power, the installation costs would be less than
solar, as wind generators are getting cheaper and popular. But forget
trying to make any sort of income from it.
**Well, yes, but you are neglecting several facts and probabilities:
* Solar cells are falling (slowly) in price and increasing (slowly) in
efficiency.
The problem with rebates is that generally the price of what is beingOn Aug 10, 7:28 am, Trevor Wilson <trevor@_SPAMBLOCK_rageaudio.com.au
wrote:
David L. Jones wrote:
On Aug 9, 4:27 pm, tuppy <geo...@joho.com> wrote:
Is anybody actually selling power back to the grid? I know there are
green power credit schemes but this appears to only wind back the
meter or give you credit. I am trying to figure out which company
actually gives you hard cash for electricity sold to the grid. Im
wondering If I can make even a small income from it?
Forget it, unless you do it for the love of it. You will never get
your money back, well, not for say 20 years.
Michael mobs does it, I've been to his place and seen his
installation, and he mentioned that he actually got a cash return. No
idea who he is (or was) with though.
http://www.sustainablehouse.com.au/
Plenty of others feed back to the grid as well, but now that you can
simply buy 100% accredited solar or wind power (at a premium), it's
far far cheaper to simply do that than have your own local power
generation system. If you are in a windy rural area then perhaps you
could feed back wind power, the installation costs would be less than
solar, as wind generators are getting cheaper and popular. But forget
trying to make any sort of income from it.
**Well, yes, but you are neglecting several facts and probabilities:
* Solar cells are falling (slowly) in price and increasing (slowly) in
efficiency.
All we need is for the price of a grid connected solar system to drop
to $8/W and you can install one for free thanks to the government
rebate.
I'm patiently waiting...
In the mean time I'm happy to pay 17c/kWh or so to have it delivered
via the grid.
Dave.
On Aug 10, 5:09 pm, "NL" <nlcab...@netspace.net.au> wrote:
ok so anybody have any idea on how much would it cost to power a home
24/7
via solar?
Do you have any idea of your likely consumption?
There can be a 10 to 1 difference in power consumption between homes
depending on a whole host of factors.
i would imagine i would need the usual stuff like 12v lighting, 12v
appliances, inverters for 240 volt.
You have to know *exactly* what stuff you need a before you can price
a suitable solar system.
i am looking at doing a green project as i just got a block of land out
at
mudgee and i stuck one of those shed type homes on it.
Do you have access to the grid?
Did you consider any of this before you bought the block of land and
plonked your shed down?
Is it windy out at Mudgee?
Dave.
At this point, financially it isn't worth doing. If there is enoughim on the grid, just looking to see if its worth doing.
not using much in the way of electrical appliances, gas stove, hot water and
heating powered by a bank of lpg cylinders.
so mainly lighting , and the usual, tv, computer, probably the highest
draining items would be washing machine and dryer.
pretty much looking at using it as a getaway so power demand would not be
constant.
but if i was to stay there for a week or so i would need a system that i can
draw power off 24/7
"David L. Jones" <altz...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:1186738212.602764.288560@g12g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 10, 5:09 pm, "NL" <nlcab...@netspace.net.au> wrote:
ok so anybody have any idea on how much would it cost to power a home
24/7
via solar?
Do you have any idea of your likely consumption?
There can be a 10 to 1 difference in power consumption between homes
depending on a whole host of factors.
i would imagine i would need the usual stuff like 12v lighting, 12v
appliances, inverters for 240 volt.
You have to know *exactly* what stuff you need a before you can price
a suitable solar system.
i am looking at doing a green project as i just got a block of land out
at
mudgee and i stuck one of those shed type homes on it.
Do you have access to the grid?
Did you consider any of this before you bought the block of land and
plonked your shed down?
Is it windy out at Mudgee?
Dave.
Better Solar Panels are being made everyday, the efficiencyOn Aug 11, 4:36 pm, "NL" <nlcab...@netspace.net.au> wrote:
im on the grid, just looking to see if its worth doing.
not using much in the way of electrical appliances, gas stove, hot water and
heating powered by a bank of lpg cylinders.
so mainly lighting , and the usual, tv, computer, probably the highest
draining items would be washing machine and dryer.
pretty much looking at using it as a getaway so power demand would not be
constant.
but if i was to stay there for a week or so i would need a system that i can
draw power off 24/7
"David L. Jones" <altz...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:1186738212.602764.288560@g12g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 10, 5:09 pm, "NL" <nlcab...@netspace.net.au> wrote:
ok so anybody have any idea on how much would it cost to power a home
24/7
via solar?
Do you have any idea of your likely consumption?
There can be a 10 to 1 difference in power consumption between homes
depending on a whole host of factors.
i would imagine i would need the usual stuff like 12v lighting, 12v
appliances, inverters for 240 volt.
You have to know *exactly* what stuff you need a before you can price
a suitable solar system.
i am looking at doing a green project as i just got a block of land out
at
mudgee and i stuck one of those shed type homes on it.
Do you have access to the grid?
Did you consider any of this before you bought the block of land and
plonked your shed down?
Is it windy out at Mudgee?
Dave.
At this point, financially it isn't worth doing. If there is enough
demand and/or government pressure, better solar panels will certainly
be developed in the future, just like how almost every other item in
the world has been improved and developed over time.
It really depends on what you mean by better Solar Panels.
In the consumer society it's only dollars per watt that counts. IfOn Sat, 11 Aug 2007 00:27:19 -0700, kreed <kenreed1999@gmail.com
wrote:
On Aug 11, 4:36 pm, "NL" <nlcab...@netspace.net.au> wrote:
im on the grid, just looking to see if its worth doing.
not using much in the way of electrical appliances, gas stove, hot water and
heating powered by a bank of lpg cylinders.
so mainly lighting , and the usual, tv, computer, probably the highest
draining items would be washing machine and dryer.
pretty much looking at using it as a getaway so power demand would not be
constant.
but if i was to stay there for a week or so i would need a system that i can
draw power off 24/7
"David L. Jones" <altz...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:1186738212.602764.288560@g12g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 10, 5:09 pm, "NL" <nlcab...@netspace.net.au> wrote:
ok so anybody have any idea on how much would it cost to power a home
24/7
via solar?
Do you have any idea of your likely consumption?
There can be a 10 to 1 difference in power consumption between homes
depending on a whole host of factors.
i would imagine i would need the usual stuff like 12v lighting, 12v
appliances, inverters for 240 volt.
You have to know *exactly* what stuff you need a before you can price
a suitable solar system.
i am looking at doing a green project as i just got a block of land out
at
mudgee and i stuck one of those shed type homes on it.
Do you have access to the grid?
Did you consider any of this before you bought the block of land and
plonked your shed down?
Is it windy out at Mudgee?
Dave.
At this point, financially it isn't worth doing. If there is enough
demand and/or government pressure, better solar panels will certainly
be developed in the future, just like how almost every other item in
the world has been improved and developed over time.
It really depends on what you mean by better Solar Panels.
Better Solar Panels are being made everyday, the efficiency
is now hitting 40% which is a lot better than the 12% we are currently
used to.
If by better Solar panels, you mean cheaper ones, theres not much
evidence that theres going to be much change.
I know of no current technology that will substantially reduce the
price in $ per watt of Solar panels.
Better solar panels yes, cheaper ones , unlikely.
And there is huge demand for cheaper solar panels.
But most manufacturers seem to want to make better ones.
Which is better.
A 12% solar panel that costs $5 a watt or a 40% solar panel
that costs $15 a watt.
**OK, so far.im on the grid, just looking to see if its worth doing.
not using much in the way of electrical appliances, gas stove, hot water
and heating powered by a bank of lpg cylinders.
**A CLOTHES DRYER??!!! Get real. Clothes dryers are the most easilyso mainly lighting , and the usual, tv, computer, probably the highest
draining items would be washing machine and dryer.
**Then think VERY CAREFULLY about high drain devices. Clothes dryers,pretty much looking at using it as a getaway so power demand would not
be constant.
but if i was to stay there for a week or so i would need a system that i
can draw power off 24/7
When a government no longer believes in government hospitals, governmentIt would make more sense for Governments to build their own Solar Cell
plants and make the Solar Cells at cost and then just sell them to the
public.
Much better than just lining the pockets of solar cell manufacturers.
It's not worth doing at the moment. A lot of hassle, and a lot ofim on the grid, just looking to see if its worth doing.
not using much in the way of electrical appliances, gas stove, hot water and
heating powered by a bank of lpg cylinders.
so mainly lighting , and the usual, tv, computer, probably the highest
draining items would be washing machine and dryer.
pretty much looking at using it as a getaway so power demand would not be
constant.
but if i was to stay there for a week or so i would need a system that i can
draw power off 24/7
Synergy W.A. will buy your peak electricity for about 3x what you buy itRoss Herbert wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 20:20:48 -0700, tuppy <george@joho.com> wrote:
I am hoping the labor party gets in, then increases the solar rebate
as promised.
then Ill buy 20K worth of panels with inbuilt mini inverters on the
back of them.
ie no batteries at all. Then get a rebate back of $8- $10k.
So I would be looking at getting back $10-$12K generating as much
power as possible and not actually using it myself. This
installation would be on my weekender house which is mostly
unoccupied. Thus I dont want credit, just hard cash to pay off
these
panels asap!! Problem is integral only give you credit (yes at 1/2
rate u buy it) but better than nothing. Goal is to get these panels
paid off in record time..
I doubt that even in Victoria they will pay you a higher rate for
power you put into the grid compared to what they charge you for power
you take from the grid. Power utilities (Australian) don't usually
work that way.
If they did we could just sell them back the power we buy from them and
make a
nice profit for doing absolutely nothing.
Almost -
I had a look over the Origin Energy website to see if I could find
anything regarding solar energy buy back rates but this information is
not obvious anywhere. In contrast, Synergy in WA, are completely open
about it
http://www.synergyenergy.com.au/Residential_Segment/Green_Energy/Sale_%26_Purchase_Rates.html
That sounds like the kind of sales pitch one would expect from aAlmost -
Synergy W.A. will buy your peak electricity for about 3x what you buy
it from them during off-peak.
Rebates are like subsidies.Solar panels $4W in Japan!!
I'm currently visiting Japan, going through all the electronic
hobbyist areas but my focus is on solar panels and inverters. I am
amazed to find the odd house here and there covered in solar panels.
(They have 15 nuclear reactors around Japan supplying Tokyo
electricity).
I asked a friend to introduce me to someone into solar and gathered
some interesting info. solar panels are cheap here!!
Cost is about AU$4 Watt retail! That is with no govt rebate or
anything. why are we being ripped off in Australia. The rebate is a
scam.
You can order online here
http://www.solarmake.com/
http://555-801.com/taiyou03m.html
I am looking at what customs will charge me in inport duty if I try to
bring some back with me.
130W panel weighs 17kg.
On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 10:01:17 +0800, "eddie" <spam@area51.gov> wrote:
SNIP
Almost -
Synergy W.A. will buy your peak electricity for about 3x what you buy
it from them during off-peak.
That sounds like the kind of sales pitch one would expect from a
Synergy employee.
The relationship between what they pay you for power during peak
periods compared to what they sell it for during off-peak periods is
totally irrelevant since they still only pay you 10/11ths of the rate
at which you buy from them irrespective of the period.
http://www.synergyenergy.com.au/Residential_Segment/Green_Energy/Sale_%26_Purchase_Rates.html