sed is mostly ruined...

[bitrex]

On 11/14/2020 3:44 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Sat, 14 Nov 2020 12:49:25 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 11/14/2020 6:42 AM, Brent Locher wrote:
On Wednesday, November 11, 2020 at 1:05:21 PM UTC-5, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
Nobody here seems to know much about electronics, much less how to
design it.





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John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

Science teaches us to doubt.

Claude Bernard


The problem I have in posting electronics on this group is that I work for a company where what I do is mostly proprietary. That makes it difficult for me to post the interesting stuff I do. The second thing is that most of the questions I would ask are not general but specific and they are specific only after a bunch of background stuff has been assumed. So it is hard to ask for questions about things that I know that it takes many hours of pondering (after a required background) to get to the bottom of. So there is not too much I can do here relating to my day to day work.

That being said.....I have asked some general questions here and have had good responses that have been really helpful.

This group is un-moderated and pretty lively and has people who generally understand or seek to understand electronics......we are lucky to still have this. I hate moderated groups. Even among the trolls here ( fill in your favorite one) they still do have a background and interest in electronics.

I find the mix of electronics/politics to be OK.



Right, and when even working as a self-employed contractor even the
little-guys tend to want NDAs. It\'s not uncommon to work for a
little-guy who hope or believe they\'re working on something big big big,
and if you would like to be paid you at least have to give them the
benefit of the doubt.

Mr. Larkin seems to get a kick out of the idea that he\'s the only one
who designs \"real electronics\" for real money here, which is simply not
true.

I never said that. I personally know (and have drunk beer with) a few
guys who post here, who do very serious electronic design.

I do tend to design in public, because I can. I think that a lot of
other people could post their real circuits for discussion, without
violating any NDAs.

I don\'t know what VERY SERIOUS electronic design or what its standards
are, but my guess is I don\'t do that, however there\'s lots of work
available that needs doing that\'s not particularly glamorous but needs
doing and pays well.

I\'ve tried to turn folks on here to these Greenpak mixed-signal PLCs for
a while:

<https://www.dialog-semiconductor.com/greenpak>

I\'ve made thousands on just doing designs with these this year kicking
back on my girlfriend\'s couch after she goes to bed butit didn\'t
generate a lot of interest. Like OK no prob less competition for me I
could use the cash.

 

[Rickster C]

On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 6:56:52 AM UTC-5, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Sat, 14 Nov 2020 03:42:10 -0800 (PST), Brent Locher
blo...@columbus.rr.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, November 11, 2020 at 1:05:21 PM UTC-5, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
Nobody here seems to know much about electronics, much less how to
design it.





--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

Science teaches us to doubt.

Claude Bernard


The problem I have in posting electronics on this group is that I work for a company where what I do is mostly proprietary. That makes it difficult for me to post the interesting stuff I do. The second thing is that most of the questions I would ask are not general but specific and they are specific only after a bunch of background stuff has been assumed. So it is hard to ask for questions about things that I know that it takes many hours of pondering (after a required background) to get to the bottom of. So there is not too much I can do here relating to my day to day work.

That being said.....I have asked some general questions here and have had good responses that have been really helpful.

This group is un-moderated and pretty lively and has people who generally understand or seek to understand electronics......we are lucky to still have this. I hate moderated groups. Even among the trolls here ( fill in your favorite one) they still do have a background and interest in electronics..

I find the mix of electronics/politics to be OK.


But the ratio is extreme, in the wrong direction.

The way to improve that is to not add to the problem which you are probably as guilty of as anyone, if not more so. But you don\'t see that, do you?

--

Rick C.

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[John Doe]

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

Nobody here seems to know much about electronics, much less how to
design it.

If you would upgrade to Agent 4 or higher, you could easily eliminate almost
all of the off-topic stuff. Agent 4 is when they started including the ability
to ignore a thread branch (subthread). When adding a filter, use that to
ignore the whole thread branch.

 

[Rickster C]

On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 7:46:12 PM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:

I\'ve tried to turn folks on here to these Greenpak mixed-signal PLCs for
a while:

https://www.dialog-semiconductor.com/greenpak

I\'ve made thousands on just doing designs with these this year kicking
back on my girlfriend\'s couch after she goes to bed butit didn\'t
generate a lot of interest. Like OK no prob less competition for me I
could use the cash.

I took a serious look at them earlier this year, even downloaded the development software, but didn\'t find a use. Here\'s one maybe... We changed the input voltage to 12 VDC so that we don\'t have to drop it to run a 12 VDC motor, but now have to boost it to charge the battery. That\'s fine. Another engineer took my suggestion of an LT part that will work as a boost and support the SLA charging requirements. But we still need to drop the battery voltage to 12 VDC while operating as a minimal drop out when the battery voltage drops below 12 VDC. In addition we need to combine the two power sources and shut off the output when the input power is removed. Does this sound like something a Greenpak device could do? When I looked at it before I want to say it had problems managing multiple power sources. In this case the battery will always have some power on it, and in fact there is a very low power circuit that is always powered on for the MCU (using diodes to combine the two power sources and a simple linear to regulate the voltage). Somebody (the MCU) has to watch the push buttons to turn the machine on and periodically check the state of charge on the battery. We treat the battery state as an alarm condition. When the battery is too low we will periodically sound an alarm to have the unit plugged in even if the machine is off. Maybe the Greenpak can do that as well.

This circuit is a tricky circuit to describe in words. Essentially I\'m looking to use FETs to select the power source and limit the output voltage and also act as a switch to turn off the the power entirely. One FET on each path to minimize the voltage losses for the motor drive. Oh yeah, 10 amps peak, 4 amps nominal. The more I think about it the more this sounds like a good application for the Greenpak.

--

Rick C.

- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Rickster C]

On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 2:51:19 AM UTC-5, John Doe wrote:

jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

Nobody here seems to know much about electronics, much less how to
design it.
If you would upgrade to Agent 4 or higher, you could easily eliminate almost
all of the off-topic stuff. Agent 4 is when they started including the ability
to ignore a thread branch (subthread). When adding a filter, use that to
ignore the whole thread branch.

He doesn\'t really want to eliminate the off topic stuff. If he did, all he needs to do is not read it! He just wants to eliminate the stuff that he doesn\'t like and no filter has been invented for that yet.

--

Rick C.

+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[server]

On Sun, 15 Nov 2020 07:51:11 -0000 (UTC), John Doe
<always.look@message.header> wrote:

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

Nobody here seems to know much about electronics, much less how to
design it.

If you would upgrade to Agent 4 or higher, you could easily eliminate almost
all of the off-topic stuff. Agent 4 is when they started including the ability
to ignore a thread branch (subthread). When adding a filter, use that to
ignore the whole thread branch.

The posting pattern of Usual Gang of Idiots is distinct and easily
ignored. I don\'t need automation to ignore that or them.

I run Agent 3 on a couple of computers and Agent 4 on one or two
others. I like the old one better.

The problem with SED isn\'t about the tools, it\'s about the content.
The jerks drive the professionals away.



--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

Science teaches us to doubt.

Claude Bernard

 

[Steve Wilson]

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Sun, 15 Nov 2020 07:51:11 -0000 (UTC), John Doe
always.look@message.header> wrote:

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

Nobody here seems to know much about electronics, much less how to
design it.

If you would upgrade to Agent 4 or higher, you could easily eliminate
almost all of the off-topic stuff. Agent 4 is when they started
including the ability to ignore a thread branch (subthread). When
adding a filter, use that to ignore the whole thread branch.

The posting pattern of Usual Gang of Idiots is distinct and easily
ignored. I don\'t need automation to ignore that or them.

I run Agent 3 on a couple of computers and Agent 4 on one or two
others. I like the old one better.

The problem with SED isn\'t about the tools, it\'s about the content.
The jerks drive the professionals away.

Just curious - does Agent have a Plonk function? I searched google but
couldn\'t find anything in Agent.


--
Science teaches us to trust. - sw

 

[Cursitor Doom]

On Sun, 15 Nov 2020 16:23:13 GMT, Steve Wilson <spam@me.com> wrote:

Just curious - does Agent have a Plonk function? I searched google but
couldn\'t find anything in Agent.

Of course. Since its earliest days. Like John I have found I prefer
much earlier versions.

 

[whit3rd]

On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 7:39:26 AM UTC-8, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

The problem with SED isn\'t about the tools, it\'s about the content.
The jerks drive the professionals away.

If you\'re a real professional, in this or any other venue,
you must deal with jerks. Professionalism implies tolerance.

 

[server]

On Sun, 15 Nov 2020 17:26:45 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@noreply.com>
wrote:

On Sun, 15 Nov 2020 16:23:13 GMT, Steve Wilson <spam@me.com> wrote:


Just curious - does Agent have a Plonk function? I searched google but
couldn\'t find anything in Agent.


Of course. Since its earliest days. Like John I have found I prefer
much earlier versions.

I don\'t remember why I had to upgrade on a couple of my computers. I
didn\'t like the new version.

There may have been a really bad intermediate rev, where they invented
\"desks.\" The latest one doesn\'t seem to have that.



--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

Science teaches us to doubt.

Claude Bernard

 

[piglet]

On 15/11/2020 12:46 am, bitrex wrote:

On 11/14/2020 3:44 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 14 Nov 2020 12:49:25 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 11/14/2020 6:42 AM, Brent Locher wrote:
On Wednesday, November 11, 2020 at 1:05:21 PM UTC-5,
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
Nobody here seems to know much about electronics, much less how to
design it.





--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

Science teaches us to doubt.

Claude Bernard


The problem I have in posting electronics on this group is that I
work for a company where what I do is mostly proprietary.  That
makes it difficult for me to post the interesting stuff I do.  The
second thing is that most of the questions I would ask are not
general but specific and they are specific only after a bunch of
background stuff has been assumed.  So it is hard to ask for
questions about things that I know that it takes many hours of
pondering (after a required background) to get to the bottom of.  So
there is not too much I can do here relating to my day to day work.

That being said.....I have asked some general questions here and
have had good responses that have been really helpful.

This group is un-moderated and pretty lively and has people who
generally understand or seek to understand electronics......we are
lucky to still have this.  I hate moderated groups.  Even among the
trolls here ( fill in your favorite one) they still do have a
background and interest in electronics.

I find the mix of electronics/politics to be OK.



Right, and when even working as a self-employed contractor even the
little-guys tend to want NDAs. It\'s not uncommon to work for a
little-guy who hope or believe they\'re working on something big big big,
and if you would like to be paid you at least have to give them the
benefit of the doubt.

Mr. Larkin seems to get a kick out of the idea that he\'s the only one
who designs \"real electronics\" for real money here, which is simply not
true.

I never said that. I personally know (and have drunk beer with) a few
guys who post here, who do very serious electronic design.

I do tend to design in public, because I can. I think that a lot of
other people could post their real circuits for discussion, without
violating any NDAs.



I don\'t know what VERY SERIOUS electronic design or what its standards
are, but my guess is I don\'t do that, however there\'s lots of work
available that needs doing that\'s not particularly glamorous but needs
doing and pays well.

I\'ve tried to turn folks on here to these Greenpak mixed-signal PLCs for
a while:

https://www.dialog-semiconductor.com/greenpak

I\'ve made thousands on just doing designs with these this year kicking
back on my girlfriend\'s couch after she goes to bed butit  didn\'t
generate a lot of interest. Like OK no prob less competition for me I
could use the cash.

I just wish they made them in slightly larger packages, a TSSOP would be
great but a 1 x 1.2mm QFN is tough

piglet

Science teaches us to verify.

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Monday, November 16, 2020 at 2:39:26 AM UTC+11, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Sun, 15 Nov 2020 07:51:11 -0000 (UTC), John Doe
alway...@message.header> wrote:

jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

Nobody here seems to know much about electronics, much less how to
design it.

If you would upgrade to Agent 4 or higher, you could easily eliminate almost
all of the off-topic stuff. Agent 4 is when they started including the ability
to ignore a thread branch (subthread). When adding a filter, use that to
ignore the whole thread branch.
The posting pattern of Usual Gang of Idiots is distinct and easily
ignored. I don\'t need automation to ignore that or them.

I run Agent 3 on a couple of computers and Agent 4 on one or two
others. I like the old one better.

The problem with SED isn\'t about the tools, it\'s about the content.
The jerks drive the professionals away.

Says the jerk-in-chief.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Cursitor Doom]

On Sun, 15 Nov 2020 17:43:09 -0800 (PST), Bill Sloman
<bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

On Monday, November 16, 2020 at 2:39:26 AM UTC+11, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 15 Nov 2020 07:51:11 -0000 (UTC), John Doe
alway...@message.header> wrote:

jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

Nobody here seems to know much about electronics, much less how to
design it.

If you would upgrade to Agent 4 or higher, you could easily eliminate almost
all of the off-topic stuff. Agent 4 is when they started including the ability
to ignore a thread branch (subthread). When adding a filter, use that to
ignore the whole thread branch.
The posting pattern of Usual Gang of Idiots is distinct and easily
ignored. I don\'t need automation to ignore that or them.

I run Agent 3 on a couple of computers and Agent 4 on one or two
others. I like the old one better.

The problem with SED isn\'t about the tools, it\'s about the content.
The jerks drive the professionals away.

Says the jerk-in-chief.

<boggle>

 

[Steve Wilson]

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

I\'m posting less here because the electronics contents is so low and
the background noise is boring.

That\'s fine... I have too much to do anyhow.

Use your plonk feature to kill posters who never talk about electronics
or post to multiple newsgroups.

If this is not convenient, try XNews, the best news client on the web.

Features:

So What Features Does This Thing Have?

Xnews supports multiple servers. You can even open several servers at
once, in the same window. (This avoids running multiple open copies of
the program, which can screw up the log and .ini files something
terrible)
To queue a multipart file, just select the thread (with the block icon),
and hit space. Xnews will tag all the individual parts for you. Then hit
decode [F4].
Plonk file (aka bozo bin).
Quick filter (type in a regex and only articles whose subject/author
match it will be shown)
Filter inversion
Score file for advanced filtering.
Support for identities, one for servers, or different for various servers
& groups.
Subscribed groups can be organized into categories.
Remappable keyboard.
Binaries handling (mime, base64, uuencode, what have you).
Optional header and article caching; plus: folders for permanent
archival.
Manuals in English, with translations available in Italian, German, and
French.
Other neat stuff, including lots of things you can customize in the .ini
file.

http://usenethelp.codeccorner.com/XNews_Primer.html

- also saves your own posts for quick reference
- no worries about newer versions modifying or deleting features
- no installation needed. Just unzip and run

Downloads:

https://ec.ccm2.net/ccm.net/download/files/xnews.zip

and

https://yepdownload.com/storage/files/xnews/xnews.zip


--
Science teaches us to trust. - sw

 

[John Doe]

John S wrote:

Bill Sloman wrote:
Jasen Betts wrote:

20 From: John Robertson <sp...@flippers.com
22 From: Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamM...@electrooptical.net
30 From: whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
36 From: Don Y <blocked...@foo.invalid
39 From: John Doe <alway...@message.header
44 From: Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com
47 From: Cursitor Doom <c...@noreply.com
52 From: jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com
73 From: Flyguy <soar2...@yahoo.com
88 From: bitrex <us...@example.net
94 From: Rickster C <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com
121 From: Bill Sloman <bill....@ieee.org

but there was also 14 From: John Larkin
jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com so, not quite twice as much.

The twenty year figures were in the ten to twenty-odd thousand range.
I\'ve been going after Flyguy and John Doe recently, which has pushed up
my numbers. It\'s a waste of time, and I really shouldn\'t bother.

Please add JL to your list of insane attacks. It\'s boring and
unnecessary.

Yep. It\'s a radical cannibal leftist, always trying to destroy its own.
Whatever the personality, John Larkin talks about electronics, no reason to go
after him but it does anyway.

But being able to ignore a thread branch is sufficient, like I will now

 

[John Doe]

Rickster C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

John Doe wrote:
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

Nobody here seems to know much about electronics, much less how to
design it.

If you would upgrade to Agent 4 or higher, you could easily eliminate
almost all of the off-topic stuff. Agent 4 is when they started
including the ability to ignore a thread branch (subthread). When
adding a filter, use that to ignore the whole thread branch.

He doesn\'t really want to eliminate the off topic stuff. If he did, all
he needs to do is not read it! He just wants to eliminate the stuff
that he doesn\'t like and no filter has been invented for that yet.

Actually, it has. That is exactly what the single key ability to ignore a
thread branch does for a person. John Larkin would benefit greatly by that
single key (ignore subthread) filter.

I don\'t use Agent 4, but I bought it partly as a reward to Forte for including
that (ignore thread branch) filter beginning in Agent 4. Yep, thrilling.

 

[John Doe]

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

John Doe wrote:
jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

Nobody here seems to know much about electronics, much less how to
design it.

If you would upgrade to Agent 4 or higher, you could easily eliminate
almost all of the off-topic stuff. Agent 4 is when they started
including the ability to ignore a thread branch (subthread). When adding
a filter, use that to ignore the whole thread branch.

The posting pattern of Usual Gang of Idiots is distinct and easily
ignored. I don\'t need automation to ignore that or them.

I run Agent 3 on a couple of computers and Agent 4 on one or two others.
I like the old one better.

If you would give it a try, you might find single key ignore thread branch
works wonders. It\'s great for spot filtering. Content filtering is what single
key ignore thread branch is for. It\'s the only filter I use (at the top of a
thread ignores the entire thread).

Have fun.

 

[John Doe]

Cursitor Doom <cd@noreply.com> wrote:

Steve Wilson <spam@me.com> wrote:

Just curious - does Agent have a Plonk function? I searched google but
couldn\'t find anything in Agent.

Of course. Since its earliest days. Like John I have found I prefer
much earlier versions.

Ignore thread branch, ignore thread branch, ignore thread branch.

It is THE filter. Petty problems with other parts of the program make little
difference.

Have fun!

 

[dcaster@krl.org]

On Monday, November 16, 2020 at 7:46:40 PM UTC-5, Bill Sloman wrote:> S> Bill Sloman, Sydneyadly, you do have a history of wishful thinking. I may have been out-posting John Larkin recently, but he\'s still going to be the guy with the most posts to this group. > Bill Sloman, Sydney

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

The wishful thinking is all yours. I doubt that you can find any posts of mine that express wishful thinking.

I really did graduate from a better university. I really have a higher IQ than you . And I really have more money than you.

Dan
..

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Tuesday, November 17, 2020 at 1:37:27 PM UTC+11, dcaster@krl.org wrote:

On Monday, November 16, 2020 at 7:46:40 PM UTC-5, Bill Sloman wrote:> S> Bill Sloman, Sydney
Sadly, you do have a history of wishful thinking. I may have been out-posting John Larkin recently, but he\'s still going to be the guy with the most posts to this group.

The wishful thinking is all yours. I doubt that you can find any posts of mine that express wishful thinking.

More wishful thinking.

> I really did graduate from a better university.

Your university now has a better international ranking than mine. I stuck with mine longer, and got a Ph.D. which you didn\'t. Mine seems to have worked better for me than yours did for you.

I really have a higher IQ than you.

You really don\'t know what my IQ is (and neither do I). I\'ve got enough sense not to have ever tried to get into Mensa, and that fact that you obsess about your IQ (which was always a cheap and cheerful measure, rather than anything that meant all that much) does suggest that you haven\'t got much sense.

> And I really have more money than you.

You don\'t know how much money I\'ve got, and I\'m certainly not going to tell you, so that claim is just more wishful thinking.

I\'ve probably got more published papers than you have - if you want to indulge in meaningless pissing contests - and that is something you could test on Google Scholar.

https://scholar.google.com.au/scholar?as_vis=1&q=%22A+W+Sloman%22&hl=en&as_sdt=0,5

My actual publications are confined to the first three pages - the rest are citations (some of them remarkably obscure). Fairly obviously, this says more about the people I worked with than it says about me - if we hadn\'t been dealing with new problems, there wouldn\'t have been any point in publishing the solutions we came up with. My microdegree temperature control paper has 24 citations which I never found all that impressive - my wife\'s most cited paper has over a thousand - but I recently looked at the classic 1968 paper I cited (which really was good) and it has only got 35.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney