Rooftop Solar Power Has a Dark Side...

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Fred Bloggs

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Typical...

There\'s a reason the big energy producers never jumped on this bandwagon, preferring instead to let someone else do it.

https://time.com/6317339/rooftop-solar-power-failure/
 
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 3:09:36 PM UTC-4, Fred Bloggs wrote:
Typical...

There\'s a reason the big energy producers never jumped on this bandwagon, preferring instead to let someone else do it.

https://time.com/6317339/rooftop-solar-power-failure/

I see data showing increasing numbers of complaints. I don\'t see where they take into account the increasing number of installations, or the increasing age of the previously installed solar panels. In other words, this is exactly what I would expect to see for a realatively new product with increasing sales.

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On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 12:09:30 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

Typical...

There\'s a reason the big energy producers never jumped on this bandwagon, preferring instead to let someone else do it.

https://time.com/6317339/rooftop-solar-power-failure/

New York seems like an especially terrible place for rooftop solar
panels.
 
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 4:24:16 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 12:09:30 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

Typical...

There\'s a reason the big energy producers never jumped on this bandwagon, preferring instead to let someone else do it.

https://time.com/6317339/rooftop-solar-power-failure/
New York seems like an especially terrible place for rooftop solar
panels.

When GW clears out all the traditionally gloomy weather, things should start to look up.
 
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 3:51:28 PM UTC-4, Ricky wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 3:09:36 PM UTC-4, Fred Bloggs wrote:
Typical...

There\'s a reason the big energy producers never jumped on this bandwagon, preferring instead to let someone else do it.

https://time.com/6317339/rooftop-solar-power-failure/
I see data showing increasing numbers of complaints. I don\'t see where they take into account the increasing number of installations, or the increasing age of the previously installed solar panels. In other words, this is exactly what I would expect to see for a realatively new product with increasing sales.

Sounds like they\'re charging for energy use in addition to \'leasing\' the panels themselves. That\'s a new one on me. Unless they can show panel life is a function of cumulative energy output, someone is getting ripped off. The fact that panels degrade is not new. The one technology I\'m familiar with, the CdTe, estimates at -10% at 20 years. It\'s not linear in time. The degradation hits a knee and then nosedives comparatively speaking, from what I can gather.


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On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 14:08:43 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 4:24:16?PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 12:09:30 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

Typical...

There\'s a reason the big energy producers never jumped on this bandwagon, preferring instead to let someone else do it.

https://time.com/6317339/rooftop-solar-power-failure/
New York seems like an especially terrible place for rooftop solar
panels.

When GW clears out all the traditionally gloomy weather, things should start to look up.

The sun angle won\'t change much. It may still snow in the winter.
 
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On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 5:51:28 AM UTC+10, Ricky wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 3:09:36 PM UTC-4, Fred Bloggs wrote:
Typical...

There\'s a reason the big energy producers never jumped on this bandwagon, preferring instead to let someone else do it.

https://time.com/6317339/rooftop-solar-power-failure/

I see data showing increasing numbers of complaints. I don\'t see where they take into account the increasing number of installations, or the increasing age of the previously installed solar panels. In other words, this is exactly what I would expect to see for a relatively new product with increasing sales.

The current generation of solar cells produced in high volume is more efficient that the previous generation and lasts longer. A lot of old Australian rooftop solar just gets dumped and replaced - it pays to move up to a new higher yielding panel - particularly if you put in your own battery at the same time, and store your excess production rather than selling it back to grid for peanuts.

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On 9/27/2023 6:59 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 14:08:43 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 4:24:16?PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 12:09:30 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

Typical...

There\'s a reason the big energy producers never jumped on this bandwagon, preferring instead to let someone else do it.

https://time.com/6317339/rooftop-solar-power-failure/
New York seems like an especially terrible place for rooftop solar
panels.

When GW clears out all the traditionally gloomy weather, things should start to look up.

The sun angle won\'t change much. It may still snow in the winter.

Some parts of upstate NY get a lot of snow. Meanwhile Southeastern New
England definitely isn\'t upstate New York or Canada, it\'s often the case
that fall and early winter are the driest and sunniest times of the year
here.

November and December recently have been downright balmy, ironically I\'m
expecting December to be a much sunnier month than this past July when
it rarely stopped raining.
 
On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 12:35:11 PM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 5:51:28 AM UTC+10, Ricky wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 3:09:36 PM UTC-4, Fred Bloggs wrote:
Typical...

There\'s a reason the big energy producers never jumped on this bandwagon, preferring instead to let someone else do it.

https://time.com/6317339/rooftop-solar-power-failure/

I see data showing increasing numbers of complaints. I don\'t see where they take into account the increasing number of installations, or the increasing age of the previously installed solar panels. In other words, this is exactly what I would expect to see for a relatively new product with increasing sales.

The current generation of solar cells produced in high volume is more efficient that the previous generation and lasts longer. A lot of old Australian rooftop solar just gets dumped and replaced - it pays to move up to a new higher yielding panel - particularly if you put in your own battery at the same time, and store your excess production rather than selling it back to grid for peanuts.

What\'s your point?

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On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 6:59:38 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 14:08:43 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 4:24:16?PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 12:09:30 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

Typical...

There\'s a reason the big energy producers never jumped on this bandwagon, preferring instead to let someone else do it.

https://time.com/6317339/rooftop-solar-power-failure/
New York seems like an especially terrible place for rooftop solar
panels.

When GW clears out all the traditionally gloomy weather, things should start to look up.
The sun angle won\'t change much. It may still snow in the winter.

I think they know about that and have heaters powered by battery storage to melt it. This is certainly a consideration for the big grid-tied farms. Don\'t know about residential rooftop, it should be an option.
 
On Thu, 28 Sep 2023 09:35:06 -0700 (PDT), Anthony William Sloman
<bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 5:51:28?AM UTC+10, Ricky wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 3:09:36?PM UTC-4, Fred Bloggs wrote:
Typical...

There\'s a reason the big energy producers never jumped on this bandwagon, preferring instead to let someone else do it.

https://time.com/6317339/rooftop-solar-power-failure/

I see data showing increasing numbers of complaints. I don\'t see where they take into account the increasing number of installations, or the increasing age of the previously installed solar panels. In other words, this is exactly what I would expect to see for a relatively new product with increasing sales.

The current generation of solar cells produced in high volume is more efficient that the previous generation and lasts longer. A lot of old Australian rooftop solar just gets dumped and replaced - it pays to move up to a new higher yielding panel - particularly if you put in your own battery at the same time, and store your excess production rather than selling it back to grid for peanuts.

The article says nothing about why they stopped production except for
higher temperatures which MAY (or may not) mean the PV Vmp dropped
lower than the inverter(s) needed. That would be a design issue.

The article is obviously written for dumbshits that know nothing about
photovoltaics.

No mention of even microinverters vs string inverters.

The article is fairly useless as far as education. That\'s the media
for ya.

boB
 
On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 13:23:53 -0700, John Larkin <jl@997arbor.com>
wrote:

On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 12:09:30 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

Typical...

There\'s a reason the big energy producers never jumped on this bandwagon, preferring instead to let someone else do it.

https://time.com/6317339/rooftop-solar-power-failure/

New York seems like an especially terrible place for rooftop solar
panels.

This is true ! Doesn\'t it rain a lot there ?

boB
 
On a sunny day (Thu, 28 Sep 2023 12:55:47 -0400) it happened bitrex
<user@example.net> wrote in <neiRM.78401$3vM.46106@fx37.iad>:

On 9/27/2023 6:59 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 14:08:43 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 4:24:16?PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 12:09:30 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

Typical...

There\'s a reason the big energy producers never jumped on this bandwagon, preferring instead to let someone else do it.

https://time.com/6317339/rooftop-solar-power-failure/
New York seems like an especially terrible place for rooftop solar
panels.

When GW clears out all the traditionally gloomy weather, things should start to look up.

The sun angle won\'t change much. It may still snow in the winter.


Some parts of upstate NY get a lot of snow. Meanwhile Southeastern New
England definitely isn\'t upstate New York or Canada, it\'s often the case
that fall and early winter are the driest and sunniest times of the year
here.

November and December recently have been downright balmy, ironically I\'m
expecting December to be a much sunnier month than this past July when
it rarely stopped raining.

There have been problems reported here about solar panels being destroyed in fires,
in hail storms and other mechanical damage causes
where the glass splinters posed a danger to human beings.
 
On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 6:06:23 PM UTC-4, boB wrote:
On Thu, 28 Sep 2023 09:35:06 -0700 (PDT), Anthony William Sloman
bill....@ieee.org> wrote:

On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 5:51:28?AM UTC+10, Ricky wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 3:09:36?PM UTC-4, Fred Bloggs wrote:
Typical...

There\'s a reason the big energy producers never jumped on this bandwagon, preferring instead to let someone else do it.

https://time.com/6317339/rooftop-solar-power-failure/

I see data showing increasing numbers of complaints. I don\'t see where they take into account the increasing number of installations, or the increasing age of the previously installed solar panels. In other words, this is exactly what I would expect to see for a relatively new product with increasing sales.

The current generation of solar cells produced in high volume is more efficient that the previous generation and lasts longer. A lot of old Australian rooftop solar just gets dumped and replaced - it pays to move up to a new higher yielding panel - particularly if you put in your own battery at the same time, and store your excess production rather than selling it back to grid for peanuts.
The article says nothing about why they stopped production except for
higher temperatures which MAY (or may not) mean the PV Vmp dropped
lower than the inverter(s) needed. That would be a design issue.

The article is obviously written for dumbshits that know nothing about
photovoltaics.

No mention of even microinverters vs string inverters.

The article is fairly useless as far as education. That\'s the media
for ya.

It\'s Time Magazine, not IEEE Spectrum. Their readers would not be interested in those details. They would be interested to learn the industry is dominated by fly-by-night businesses.


 
On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 1:24:33 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 28 Sep 2023 12:55:47 -0400) it happened bitrex
us...@example.net> wrote in <neiRM.78401$3vM....@fx37.iad>:
On 9/27/2023 6:59 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 14:08:43 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 4:24:16?PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 12:09:30 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

Typical...

There\'s a reason the big energy producers never jumped on this bandwagon, preferring instead to let someone else do it.

https://time.com/6317339/rooftop-solar-power-failure/
New York seems like an especially terrible place for rooftop solar
panels.

When GW clears out all the traditionally gloomy weather, things should start to look up.

The sun angle won\'t change much. It may still snow in the winter.


Some parts of upstate NY get a lot of snow. Meanwhile Southeastern New
England definitely isn\'t upstate New York or Canada, it\'s often the case
that fall and early winter are the driest and sunniest times of the year
here.

November and December recently have been downright balmy, ironically I\'m
expecting December to be a much sunnier month than this past July when
it rarely stopped raining.
There have been problems reported here about solar panels being destroyed in fires,
in hail storms and other mechanical damage causes
where the glass splinters posed a danger to human beings.

Then there is the Walmart suit brought against that phony Tesla/ Musk solar panel company for setting all their roofs on fire.
 
On Fri, 29 Sep 2023 04:29:37 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 6:06:23?PM UTC-4, boB wrote:
On Thu, 28 Sep 2023 09:35:06 -0700 (PDT), Anthony William Sloman
bill....@ieee.org> wrote:

On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 5:51:28?AM UTC+10, Ricky wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 3:09:36?PM UTC-4, Fred Bloggs wrote:
Typical...

There\'s a reason the big energy producers never jumped on this bandwagon, preferring instead to let someone else do it.

https://time.com/6317339/rooftop-solar-power-failure/

I see data showing increasing numbers of complaints. I don\'t see where they take into account the increasing number of installations, or the increasing age of the previously installed solar panels. In other words, this is exactly what I would expect to see for a relatively new product with increasing sales.

The current generation of solar cells produced in high volume is more efficient that the previous generation and lasts longer. A lot of old Australian rooftop solar just gets dumped and replaced - it pays to move up to a new higher yielding panel - particularly if you put in your own battery at the same time, and store your excess production rather than selling it back to grid for peanuts.
The article says nothing about why they stopped production except for
higher temperatures which MAY (or may not) mean the PV Vmp dropped
lower than the inverter(s) needed. That would be a design issue.

The article is obviously written for dumbshits that know nothing about
photovoltaics.

No mention of even microinverters vs string inverters.

The article is fairly useless as far as education. That\'s the media
for ya.

It\'s Time Magazine, not IEEE Spectrum. Their readers would not be interested in those details. They would be interested to learn the industry is dominated by fly-by-night businesses.



boB

They could still explain it better than making it a political
statement which is how I saw it.

boB
 

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