Rant - why is it so hard?...

[Sylvia Else]

My house didn\'t have a door bell when I moved in, and people just
knocked. That seemed OK, until recently when I had repeated failed
delivery attempts. After I\'d installed a surveillance camera, it showed
that, rather to my surprise, on the most recent failure, the guy had
actually come to the door. Presumably, he knocked, but not loud enough.

So I installed a door bell. Tested it. It worked fine.

Then the very first time a delivery guy used it, it jammed in the on
position. Apparently, the bell push wasn\'t designed with delivery
drivers in mind.

Why is this so hard?

Sylvia.

 

[Trevor Wilson]

On 6/09/2021 12:51 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:

My house didn\'t have a door bell when I moved in, and people just
knocked. That seemed OK, until recently when I had repeated failed
delivery attempts. After I\'d installed a surveillance camera, it showed
that, rather to my surprise, on the most recent failure, the guy had
actually come to the door. Presumably, he knocked, but not loud enough.

So I installed a door bell. Tested it. It worked fine.

Then the very first time a delivery guy used it, it jammed in the on
position. Apparently, the bell push wasn\'t designed with delivery
drivers in mind.

Why is this so hard?

**It\'s not. After trying several different doorbell solutions, I found this:

https://ring.com/au/en/products/video-doorbell-with-chime-pro-gen2

It is fucking brilliant. Quality is excellent. Easy to install. It even
comes with a teeny tiny spirit level. I ordered mine with two extension
bells (one in the house and one in the workshop). Here\'s the two really
nice things (and a whole bunch of regular nice things) about the system:

* You connect it to your home wi-fi network and it can \'talk\' to your
cell phone or tablet anywhere on the planet.
* The camera senses movement, day or night, and announces visitors at
around 5 ~ 6 Metres, BEFORE the button is pushed. Last time I was in
Newcastle I spoke to a mate who popped around unannounced to my home. It
was pretty cool. You could, for instance, instruct the delivery guy to
leave the parcel, via the speaker in the doorbell.

I wired mine into a full time supply, so I don\'t rely on the allegedly
long pasting internal battery. Instructions are excellent and the system
just works flawlessly. The camera works quite well at night and very
well during the day. IR sensitive.

 

[Phil Allison]

Trevor Wilson wrote:
================

**It\'s not. After trying several different doorbell solutions, I found this:

https://ring.com/au/en/products/video-doorbell-with-chime-pro-gen2

It is fucking brilliant. Quality is excellent. Easy to install.

** Is the pic in colour ?

IME somewhat blurry B&W images are near useless at IDing anyone.

I already know an IR illuminated image is even worse.


...... Phil

 

[Phil Allison]

Trevor Wilson wrote:
================

**It\'s not. After trying several different doorbell solutions, I found this:

https://ring.com/au/en/products/video-doorbell-with-chime-pro-gen2

It is fucking brilliant. Quality is excellent. Easy to install.

** Is the pic in colour ?

IME somewhat blurry B&W images are near useless at IDing anyone.

I already know an IR illuminated image is even worse.


...... Phil

 

[Sylvia Else]

On 06-Sep-21 2:31 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:

On 6/09/2021 12:51 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
My house didn\'t have a door bell when I moved in, and people just
knocked. That seemed OK, until recently when I had repeated failed
delivery attempts. After I\'d installed a surveillance camera, it
showed that, rather to my surprise, on the most recent failure, the
guy had actually come to the door. Presumably, he knocked, but not
loud enough.

So I installed a door bell. Tested it. It worked fine.

Then the very first time a delivery guy used it, it jammed in the on
position. Apparently, the bell push wasn\'t designed with delivery
drivers in mind.

Why is this so hard?

**It\'s not. After trying several different doorbell solutions, I found
this:

https://ring.com/au/en/products/video-doorbell-with-chime-pro-gen2

It is fucking brilliant. Quality is excellent. Easy to install. It even
comes with a teeny tiny spirit level. I ordered mine with two extension
bells (one in the house and one in the workshop). Here\'s the two really
nice things (and a whole bunch of regular nice things) about the system:

* You connect it to your home wi-fi network and it can \'talk\' to your
cell phone or tablet anywhere on the planet.
* The camera senses movement, day or night, and announces visitors at
around 5 ~ 6 Metres, BEFORE the button is pushed. Last time I was in
Newcastle I spoke to a mate who popped around unannounced to my home. It
was pretty cool. You could, for instance, instruct the delivery guy to
leave the parcel, via the speaker in the doorbell.

I wired mine into a full time supply, so I don\'t rely on the allegedly
long pasting internal battery. Instructions are excellent and the system
just works flawlessly. The camera works quite well at night and very
well during the day. IR sensitive.

I\'m thinking of sourcing one of these:

<https://www.digikey.com.au/en/products/detail/ATP16-SL1-612-M4SA-04G/CKN12300-ND/10059238>

and installing it in a 3D-printed housing.

Sylvia.

 

[Sylvia Else]

On 06-Sep-21 2:31 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:

On 6/09/2021 12:51 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
My house didn\'t have a door bell when I moved in, and people just
knocked. That seemed OK, until recently when I had repeated failed
delivery attempts. After I\'d installed a surveillance camera, it
showed that, rather to my surprise, on the most recent failure, the
guy had actually come to the door. Presumably, he knocked, but not
loud enough.

So I installed a door bell. Tested it. It worked fine.

Then the very first time a delivery guy used it, it jammed in the on
position. Apparently, the bell push wasn\'t designed with delivery
drivers in mind.

Why is this so hard?

**It\'s not. After trying several different doorbell solutions, I found
this:

https://ring.com/au/en/products/video-doorbell-with-chime-pro-gen2

It is fucking brilliant. Quality is excellent. Easy to install. It even
comes with a teeny tiny spirit level. I ordered mine with two extension
bells (one in the house and one in the workshop). Here\'s the two really
nice things (and a whole bunch of regular nice things) about the system:

* You connect it to your home wi-fi network and it can \'talk\' to your
cell phone or tablet anywhere on the planet.
* The camera senses movement, day or night, and announces visitors at
around 5 ~ 6 Metres, BEFORE the button is pushed. Last time I was in
Newcastle I spoke to a mate who popped around unannounced to my home. It
was pretty cool. You could, for instance, instruct the delivery guy to
leave the parcel, via the speaker in the doorbell.

I wired mine into a full time supply, so I don\'t rely on the allegedly
long pasting internal battery. Instructions are excellent and the system
just works flawlessly. The camera works quite well at night and very
well during the day. IR sensitive.

I\'m thinking of sourcing one of these:

<https://www.digikey.com.au/en/products/detail/ATP16-SL1-612-M4SA-04G/CKN12300-ND/10059238>

and installing it in a 3D-printed housing.

Sylvia.

 

[Sylvia Else]

On 06-Sep-21 2:31 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:

On 6/09/2021 12:51 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
My house didn\'t have a door bell when I moved in, and people just
knocked. That seemed OK, until recently when I had repeated failed
delivery attempts. After I\'d installed a surveillance camera, it
showed that, rather to my surprise, on the most recent failure, the
guy had actually come to the door. Presumably, he knocked, but not
loud enough.

So I installed a door bell. Tested it. It worked fine.

Then the very first time a delivery guy used it, it jammed in the on
position. Apparently, the bell push wasn\'t designed with delivery
drivers in mind.

Why is this so hard?

**It\'s not. After trying several different doorbell solutions, I found
this:

https://ring.com/au/en/products/video-doorbell-with-chime-pro-gen2

It is fucking brilliant. Quality is excellent. Easy to install. It even
comes with a teeny tiny spirit level. I ordered mine with two extension
bells (one in the house and one in the workshop). Here\'s the two really
nice things (and a whole bunch of regular nice things) about the system:

* You connect it to your home wi-fi network and it can \'talk\' to your
cell phone or tablet anywhere on the planet.
* The camera senses movement, day or night, and announces visitors at
around 5 ~ 6 Metres, BEFORE the button is pushed. Last time I was in
Newcastle I spoke to a mate who popped around unannounced to my home. It
was pretty cool. You could, for instance, instruct the delivery guy to
leave the parcel, via the speaker in the doorbell.

I wired mine into a full time supply, so I don\'t rely on the allegedly
long pasting internal battery. Instructions are excellent and the system
just works flawlessly. The camera works quite well at night and very
well during the day. IR sensitive.

I\'m thinking of sourcing one of these:

<https://www.digikey.com.au/en/products/detail/ATP16-SL1-612-M4SA-04G/CKN12300-ND/10059238>

and installing it in a 3D-printed housing.

Sylvia.

 

[noel]

On Mon, 06 Sep 2021 14:31:29 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:

On 6/09/2021 12:51 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
My house didn\'t have a door bell when I moved in, and people just
knocked. That seemed OK, until recently when I had repeated failed
delivery attempts. After I\'d installed a surveillance camera, it showed
that, rather to my surprise, on the most recent failure, the guy had
actually come to the door. Presumably, he knocked, but not loud enough.

So I installed a door bell. Tested it. It worked fine.

Then the very first time a delivery guy used it, it jammed in the on
position. Apparently, the bell push wasn\'t designed with delivery
drivers in mind.

Why is this so hard?

**It\'s not. After trying several different doorbell solutions, I found
this:

https://ring.com/au/en/products/video-doorbell-with-chime-pro-gen2

It is fucking brilliant. Quality is excellent. Easy to install. It even
comes with a teeny tiny spirit level. I ordered mine with two extension
bells (one in the house and one in the workshop). Here\'s the two really
nice things (and a whole bunch of regular nice things) about the system:

* You connect it to your home wi-fi network and it can \'talk\' to your
cell phone or tablet anywhere on the planet.
* The camera senses movement, day or night, and announces visitors at
around 5 ~ 6 Metres, BEFORE the button is pushed. Last time I was in
Newcastle I spoke to a mate who popped around unannounced to my home. It
was pretty cool. You could, for instance, instruct the delivery guy to
leave the parcel, via the speaker in the doorbell.

I wired mine into a full time supply, so I don\'t rely on the allegedly
long pasting internal battery. Instructions are excellent and the system
just works flawlessly. The camera works quite well at night and very
well during the day. IR sensitive.

ring, last time I looked they are only subscription based so I\'d avoid,
unless they\'ve woken up to that flaw

 

[noel]

On Mon, 06 Sep 2021 14:31:29 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:

On 6/09/2021 12:51 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
My house didn\'t have a door bell when I moved in, and people just
knocked. That seemed OK, until recently when I had repeated failed
delivery attempts. After I\'d installed a surveillance camera, it showed
that, rather to my surprise, on the most recent failure, the guy had
actually come to the door. Presumably, he knocked, but not loud enough.

So I installed a door bell. Tested it. It worked fine.

Then the very first time a delivery guy used it, it jammed in the on
position. Apparently, the bell push wasn\'t designed with delivery
drivers in mind.

Why is this so hard?

**It\'s not. After trying several different doorbell solutions, I found
this:

https://ring.com/au/en/products/video-doorbell-with-chime-pro-gen2

It is fucking brilliant. Quality is excellent. Easy to install. It even
comes with a teeny tiny spirit level. I ordered mine with two extension
bells (one in the house and one in the workshop). Here\'s the two really
nice things (and a whole bunch of regular nice things) about the system:

* You connect it to your home wi-fi network and it can \'talk\' to your
cell phone or tablet anywhere on the planet.
* The camera senses movement, day or night, and announces visitors at
around 5 ~ 6 Metres, BEFORE the button is pushed. Last time I was in
Newcastle I spoke to a mate who popped around unannounced to my home. It
was pretty cool. You could, for instance, instruct the delivery guy to
leave the parcel, via the speaker in the doorbell.

I wired mine into a full time supply, so I don\'t rely on the allegedly
long pasting internal battery. Instructions are excellent and the system
just works flawlessly. The camera works quite well at night and very
well during the day. IR sensitive.

ring, last time I looked they are only subscription based so I\'d avoid,
unless they\'ve woken up to that flaw

 

[noel]

On Mon, 06 Sep 2021 14:31:29 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:

On 6/09/2021 12:51 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
My house didn\'t have a door bell when I moved in, and people just
knocked. That seemed OK, until recently when I had repeated failed
delivery attempts. After I\'d installed a surveillance camera, it showed
that, rather to my surprise, on the most recent failure, the guy had
actually come to the door. Presumably, he knocked, but not loud enough.

So I installed a door bell. Tested it. It worked fine.

Then the very first time a delivery guy used it, it jammed in the on
position. Apparently, the bell push wasn\'t designed with delivery
drivers in mind.

Why is this so hard?

**It\'s not. After trying several different doorbell solutions, I found
this:

https://ring.com/au/en/products/video-doorbell-with-chime-pro-gen2

It is fucking brilliant. Quality is excellent. Easy to install. It even
comes with a teeny tiny spirit level. I ordered mine with two extension
bells (one in the house and one in the workshop). Here\'s the two really
nice things (and a whole bunch of regular nice things) about the system:

* You connect it to your home wi-fi network and it can \'talk\' to your
cell phone or tablet anywhere on the planet.
* The camera senses movement, day or night, and announces visitors at
around 5 ~ 6 Metres, BEFORE the button is pushed. Last time I was in
Newcastle I spoke to a mate who popped around unannounced to my home. It
was pretty cool. You could, for instance, instruct the delivery guy to
leave the parcel, via the speaker in the doorbell.

I wired mine into a full time supply, so I don\'t rely on the allegedly
long pasting internal battery. Instructions are excellent and the system
just works flawlessly. The camera works quite well at night and very
well during the day. IR sensitive.

ring, last time I looked they are only subscription based so I\'d avoid,
unless they\'ve woken up to that flaw

 

[noel]

On Mon, 06 Sep 2021 14:31:29 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:

On 6/09/2021 12:51 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
My house didn\'t have a door bell when I moved in, and people just
knocked. That seemed OK, until recently when I had repeated failed
delivery attempts. After I\'d installed a surveillance camera, it showed
that, rather to my surprise, on the most recent failure, the guy had
actually come to the door. Presumably, he knocked, but not loud enough.

So I installed a door bell. Tested it. It worked fine.

Then the very first time a delivery guy used it, it jammed in the on
position. Apparently, the bell push wasn\'t designed with delivery
drivers in mind.

Why is this so hard?

**It\'s not. After trying several different doorbell solutions, I found
this:

https://ring.com/au/en/products/video-doorbell-with-chime-pro-gen2

It is fucking brilliant. Quality is excellent. Easy to install. It even
comes with a teeny tiny spirit level. I ordered mine with two extension
bells (one in the house and one in the workshop). Here\'s the two really
nice things (and a whole bunch of regular nice things) about the system:

* You connect it to your home wi-fi network and it can \'talk\' to your
cell phone or tablet anywhere on the planet.
* The camera senses movement, day or night, and announces visitors at
around 5 ~ 6 Metres, BEFORE the button is pushed. Last time I was in
Newcastle I spoke to a mate who popped around unannounced to my home. It
was pretty cool. You could, for instance, instruct the delivery guy to
leave the parcel, via the speaker in the doorbell.

I wired mine into a full time supply, so I don\'t rely on the allegedly
long pasting internal battery. Instructions are excellent and the system
just works flawlessly. The camera works quite well at night and very
well during the day. IR sensitive.

ring, last time I looked they are only subscription based so I\'d avoid,
unless they\'ve woken up to that flaw

 

[noel]

On Mon, 06 Sep 2021 14:31:29 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:

On 6/09/2021 12:51 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
My house didn\'t have a door bell when I moved in, and people just
knocked. That seemed OK, until recently when I had repeated failed
delivery attempts. After I\'d installed a surveillance camera, it showed
that, rather to my surprise, on the most recent failure, the guy had
actually come to the door. Presumably, he knocked, but not loud enough.

So I installed a door bell. Tested it. It worked fine.

Then the very first time a delivery guy used it, it jammed in the on
position. Apparently, the bell push wasn\'t designed with delivery
drivers in mind.

Why is this so hard?

**It\'s not. After trying several different doorbell solutions, I found
this:

https://ring.com/au/en/products/video-doorbell-with-chime-pro-gen2

It is fucking brilliant. Quality is excellent. Easy to install. It even
comes with a teeny tiny spirit level. I ordered mine with two extension
bells (one in the house and one in the workshop). Here\'s the two really
nice things (and a whole bunch of regular nice things) about the system:

* You connect it to your home wi-fi network and it can \'talk\' to your
cell phone or tablet anywhere on the planet.
* The camera senses movement, day or night, and announces visitors at
around 5 ~ 6 Metres, BEFORE the button is pushed. Last time I was in
Newcastle I spoke to a mate who popped around unannounced to my home. It
was pretty cool. You could, for instance, instruct the delivery guy to
leave the parcel, via the speaker in the doorbell.

I wired mine into a full time supply, so I don\'t rely on the allegedly
long pasting internal battery. Instructions are excellent and the system
just works flawlessly. The camera works quite well at night and very
well during the day. IR sensitive.

ring, last time I looked they are only subscription based so I\'d avoid,
unless they\'ve woken up to that flaw

 

[Trevor Wilson]

On 6/09/2021 2:40 pm, Phil Allison wrote:

Trevor Wilson wrote:
================


**It\'s not. After trying several different doorbell solutions, I found this:

https://ring.com/au/en/products/video-doorbell-with-chime-pro-gen2

It is fucking brilliant. Quality is excellent. Easy to install.


** Is the pic in colour ?

**Oh yeah. At night, of course, mono, because it is operating on the
internal IR emitters.

IME somewhat blurry B&W images are near useless at IDing anyone.

I already know an IR illuminated image is even worse.

**Although the picture is a little \'fisheye\' quality (which is to be
expected, because it has excellent coverage of my porch and surrounds),
people I know are instantly recognisable.

 

[Trevor Wilson]

On 6/09/2021 2:40 pm, Phil Allison wrote:

Trevor Wilson wrote:
================


**It\'s not. After trying several different doorbell solutions, I found this:

https://ring.com/au/en/products/video-doorbell-with-chime-pro-gen2

It is fucking brilliant. Quality is excellent. Easy to install.


** Is the pic in colour ?

**Oh yeah. At night, of course, mono, because it is operating on the
internal IR emitters.

IME somewhat blurry B&W images are near useless at IDing anyone.

I already know an IR illuminated image is even worse.

**Although the picture is a little \'fisheye\' quality (which is to be
expected, because it has excellent coverage of my porch and surrounds),
people I know are instantly recognisable.

 

[Trevor Wilson]

On 6/09/2021 3:12 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:

On 06-Sep-21 2:31 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 6/09/2021 12:51 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
My house didn\'t have a door bell when I moved in, and people just
knocked. That seemed OK, until recently when I had repeated failed
delivery attempts. After I\'d installed a surveillance camera, it
showed that, rather to my surprise, on the most recent failure, the
guy had actually come to the door. Presumably, he knocked, but not
loud enough.

So I installed a door bell. Tested it. It worked fine.

Then the very first time a delivery guy used it, it jammed in the on
position. Apparently, the bell push wasn\'t designed with delivery
drivers in mind.

Why is this so hard?

**It\'s not. After trying several different doorbell solutions, I found
this:

https://ring.com/au/en/products/video-doorbell-with-chime-pro-gen2

It is fucking brilliant. Quality is excellent. Easy to install. It
even comes with a teeny tiny spirit level. I ordered mine with two
extension bells (one in the house and one in the workshop). Here\'s the
two really nice things (and a whole bunch of regular nice things)
about the system:

* You connect it to your home wi-fi network and it can \'talk\' to your
cell phone or tablet anywhere on the planet.
* The camera senses movement, day or night, and announces visitors at
around 5 ~ 6 Metres, BEFORE the button is pushed. Last time I was in
Newcastle I spoke to a mate who popped around unannounced to my home.
It was pretty cool. You could, for instance, instruct the delivery guy
to leave the parcel, via the speaker in the doorbell.

I wired mine into a full time supply, so I don\'t rely on the allegedly
long pasting internal battery. Instructions are excellent and the
system just works flawlessly. The camera works quite well at night and
very well during the day. IR sensitive.


I\'m thinking of sourcing one of these:

https://www.digikey.com.au/en/products/detail/ATP16-SL1-612-M4SA-04G/CKN12300-ND/10059238


and installing it in a 3D-printed housing.

**The advantage of the Ring system is that you don\'t have to rely on the
idiot pushing the doorbell. Of course your idea is very inexpensive. And
very, very limited.

 

[Trevor Wilson]

On 6/09/2021 3:12 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:

On 06-Sep-21 2:31 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 6/09/2021 12:51 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
My house didn\'t have a door bell when I moved in, and people just
knocked. That seemed OK, until recently when I had repeated failed
delivery attempts. After I\'d installed a surveillance camera, it
showed that, rather to my surprise, on the most recent failure, the
guy had actually come to the door. Presumably, he knocked, but not
loud enough.

So I installed a door bell. Tested it. It worked fine.

Then the very first time a delivery guy used it, it jammed in the on
position. Apparently, the bell push wasn\'t designed with delivery
drivers in mind.

Why is this so hard?

**It\'s not. After trying several different doorbell solutions, I found
this:

https://ring.com/au/en/products/video-doorbell-with-chime-pro-gen2

It is fucking brilliant. Quality is excellent. Easy to install. It
even comes with a teeny tiny spirit level. I ordered mine with two
extension bells (one in the house and one in the workshop). Here\'s the
two really nice things (and a whole bunch of regular nice things)
about the system:

* You connect it to your home wi-fi network and it can \'talk\' to your
cell phone or tablet anywhere on the planet.
* The camera senses movement, day or night, and announces visitors at
around 5 ~ 6 Metres, BEFORE the button is pushed. Last time I was in
Newcastle I spoke to a mate who popped around unannounced to my home.
It was pretty cool. You could, for instance, instruct the delivery guy
to leave the parcel, via the speaker in the doorbell.

I wired mine into a full time supply, so I don\'t rely on the allegedly
long pasting internal battery. Instructions are excellent and the
system just works flawlessly. The camera works quite well at night and
very well during the day. IR sensitive.


I\'m thinking of sourcing one of these:

https://www.digikey.com.au/en/products/detail/ATP16-SL1-612-M4SA-04G/CKN12300-ND/10059238


and installing it in a 3D-printed housing.

**The advantage of the Ring system is that you don\'t have to rely on the
idiot pushing the doorbell. Of course your idea is very inexpensive. And
very, very limited.

 

[Trevor Wilson]

On 6/09/2021 3:55 pm, noel wrote:

On Mon, 06 Sep 2021 14:31:29 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:

On 6/09/2021 12:51 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
My house didn\'t have a door bell when I moved in, and people just
knocked. That seemed OK, until recently when I had repeated failed
delivery attempts. After I\'d installed a surveillance camera, it showed
that, rather to my surprise, on the most recent failure, the guy had
actually come to the door. Presumably, he knocked, but not loud enough.

So I installed a door bell. Tested it. It worked fine.

Then the very first time a delivery guy used it, it jammed in the on
position. Apparently, the bell push wasn\'t designed with delivery
drivers in mind.

Why is this so hard?

**It\'s not. After trying several different doorbell solutions, I found
this:

https://ring.com/au/en/products/video-doorbell-with-chime-pro-gen2

It is fucking brilliant. Quality is excellent. Easy to install. It even
comes with a teeny tiny spirit level. I ordered mine with two extension
bells (one in the house and one in the workshop). Here\'s the two really
nice things (and a whole bunch of regular nice things) about the system:

* You connect it to your home wi-fi network and it can \'talk\' to your
cell phone or tablet anywhere on the planet.
* The camera senses movement, day or night, and announces visitors at
around 5 ~ 6 Metres, BEFORE the button is pushed. Last time I was in
Newcastle I spoke to a mate who popped around unannounced to my home. It
was pretty cool. You could, for instance, instruct the delivery guy to
leave the parcel, via the speaker in the doorbell.

I wired mine into a full time supply, so I don\'t rely on the allegedly
long pasting internal battery. Instructions are excellent and the system
just works flawlessly. The camera works quite well at night and very
well during the day. IR sensitive.

ring, last time I looked they are only subscription based so I\'d avoid,
unless they\'ve woken up to that flaw

**They are subscription based IF you want to save a video recording to
the cloud. I have no interest in that. I paid for the doorbell and there
is nothing else to pay. If I could be bothered, I could probably figure
out how to save video to my computer, or tablet. But I can\'t. So,
there\'s that.

 

[Trevor Wilson]

On 6/09/2021 3:55 pm, noel wrote:

On Mon, 06 Sep 2021 14:31:29 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:

On 6/09/2021 12:51 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
My house didn\'t have a door bell when I moved in, and people just
knocked. That seemed OK, until recently when I had repeated failed
delivery attempts. After I\'d installed a surveillance camera, it showed
that, rather to my surprise, on the most recent failure, the guy had
actually come to the door. Presumably, he knocked, but not loud enough.

So I installed a door bell. Tested it. It worked fine.

Then the very first time a delivery guy used it, it jammed in the on
position. Apparently, the bell push wasn\'t designed with delivery
drivers in mind.

Why is this so hard?

**It\'s not. After trying several different doorbell solutions, I found
this:

https://ring.com/au/en/products/video-doorbell-with-chime-pro-gen2

It is fucking brilliant. Quality is excellent. Easy to install. It even
comes with a teeny tiny spirit level. I ordered mine with two extension
bells (one in the house and one in the workshop). Here\'s the two really
nice things (and a whole bunch of regular nice things) about the system:

* You connect it to your home wi-fi network and it can \'talk\' to your
cell phone or tablet anywhere on the planet.
* The camera senses movement, day or night, and announces visitors at
around 5 ~ 6 Metres, BEFORE the button is pushed. Last time I was in
Newcastle I spoke to a mate who popped around unannounced to my home. It
was pretty cool. You could, for instance, instruct the delivery guy to
leave the parcel, via the speaker in the doorbell.

I wired mine into a full time supply, so I don\'t rely on the allegedly
long pasting internal battery. Instructions are excellent and the system
just works flawlessly. The camera works quite well at night and very
well during the day. IR sensitive.

ring, last time I looked they are only subscription based so I\'d avoid,
unless they\'ve woken up to that flaw

**They are subscription based IF you want to save a video recording to
the cloud. I have no interest in that. I paid for the doorbell and there
is nothing else to pay. If I could be bothered, I could probably figure
out how to save video to my computer, or tablet. But I can\'t. So,
there\'s that.

 

[Trevor Wilson]

On 6/09/2021 3:55 pm, noel wrote:

On Mon, 06 Sep 2021 14:31:29 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:

On 6/09/2021 12:51 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
My house didn\'t have a door bell when I moved in, and people just
knocked. That seemed OK, until recently when I had repeated failed
delivery attempts. After I\'d installed a surveillance camera, it showed
that, rather to my surprise, on the most recent failure, the guy had
actually come to the door. Presumably, he knocked, but not loud enough.

So I installed a door bell. Tested it. It worked fine.

Then the very first time a delivery guy used it, it jammed in the on
position. Apparently, the bell push wasn\'t designed with delivery
drivers in mind.

Why is this so hard?

**It\'s not. After trying several different doorbell solutions, I found
this:

https://ring.com/au/en/products/video-doorbell-with-chime-pro-gen2

It is fucking brilliant. Quality is excellent. Easy to install. It even
comes with a teeny tiny spirit level. I ordered mine with two extension
bells (one in the house and one in the workshop). Here\'s the two really
nice things (and a whole bunch of regular nice things) about the system:

* You connect it to your home wi-fi network and it can \'talk\' to your
cell phone or tablet anywhere on the planet.
* The camera senses movement, day or night, and announces visitors at
around 5 ~ 6 Metres, BEFORE the button is pushed. Last time I was in
Newcastle I spoke to a mate who popped around unannounced to my home. It
was pretty cool. You could, for instance, instruct the delivery guy to
leave the parcel, via the speaker in the doorbell.

I wired mine into a full time supply, so I don\'t rely on the allegedly
long pasting internal battery. Instructions are excellent and the system
just works flawlessly. The camera works quite well at night and very
well during the day. IR sensitive.

ring, last time I looked they are only subscription based so I\'d avoid,
unless they\'ve woken up to that flaw

**They are subscription based IF you want to save a video recording to
the cloud. I have no interest in that. I paid for the doorbell and there
is nothing else to pay. If I could be bothered, I could probably figure
out how to save video to my computer, or tablet. But I can\'t. So,
there\'s that.

 

[Trevor Wilson]

On 6/09/2021 3:55 pm, noel wrote:

On Mon, 06 Sep 2021 14:31:29 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:

On 6/09/2021 12:51 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
My house didn\'t have a door bell when I moved in, and people just
knocked. That seemed OK, until recently when I had repeated failed
delivery attempts. After I\'d installed a surveillance camera, it showed
that, rather to my surprise, on the most recent failure, the guy had
actually come to the door. Presumably, he knocked, but not loud enough.

So I installed a door bell. Tested it. It worked fine.

Then the very first time a delivery guy used it, it jammed in the on
position. Apparently, the bell push wasn\'t designed with delivery
drivers in mind.

Why is this so hard?

**It\'s not. After trying several different doorbell solutions, I found
this:

https://ring.com/au/en/products/video-doorbell-with-chime-pro-gen2

It is fucking brilliant. Quality is excellent. Easy to install. It even
comes with a teeny tiny spirit level. I ordered mine with two extension
bells (one in the house and one in the workshop). Here\'s the two really
nice things (and a whole bunch of regular nice things) about the system:

* You connect it to your home wi-fi network and it can \'talk\' to your
cell phone or tablet anywhere on the planet.
* The camera senses movement, day or night, and announces visitors at
around 5 ~ 6 Metres, BEFORE the button is pushed. Last time I was in
Newcastle I spoke to a mate who popped around unannounced to my home. It
was pretty cool. You could, for instance, instruct the delivery guy to
leave the parcel, via the speaker in the doorbell.

I wired mine into a full time supply, so I don\'t rely on the allegedly
long pasting internal battery. Instructions are excellent and the system
just works flawlessly. The camera works quite well at night and very
well during the day. IR sensitive.

ring, last time I looked they are only subscription based so I\'d avoid,
unless they\'ve woken up to that flaw

**They are subscription based IF you want to save a video recording to
the cloud. I have no interest in that. I paid for the doorbell and there
is nothing else to pay. If I could be bothered, I could probably figure
out how to save video to my computer, or tablet. But I can\'t. So,
there\'s that.