Proposed ban on LCD and Plasma screens ?

"John Tserkezis" <jt@techniciansyndrome.org.invalid> wrote in message
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What makes an Alcoa job more important than a Telstra one for example?

It makes more money for govco. And they're the only ones who count.
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Crappo, Telstra made 4 Billion dollars a year for the government before it
was sold.

In Alcoa's case, they determined that power lines from the main grid
(and along with other subsidies) was cheaper than doing it themselves.

Of course it is, when you are being subsidised by other users and
taxpayers!

But, after some time, they're going to make that money back via pay tax
on
the people who work there.
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And they didn't from Telstra workers WITHOUT a subsidy?
And what about all the other companies and workers that recieve NO
subsidies?


(where they wouldn't if alcoa wasn't there).
Not only that, they're going to keep making money once it's paid off.
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I can't see how if the electricity subsidies need to be increased as the
cost of generation increases.
But you're welcome to the fantasy.


Only cost is in the meantime (short term), they're down n Gazillion
dollars.
That's of no consequence, because they can make up the shortfall with
little
money spinners like another fuel levy, or more speed cameras or something
equally as benign to society.
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Which of course they would still get WITHOUT the drain of uneconomic
industries.

At the end of the day, it always comes down to two things: Dollars
and
Cents.

No, greed and corruption!

And the difference is??
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With our CEO's and politicians, nothing.

MrT.
 
"Mr.T" <MrT@home> wrote:

"John Tserkezis" <jt@techniciansyndrome.org.invalid> wrote in message
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I'm sure they have an exemption, and in fact, if they're huge energy
users,
they have their own plant.
If that's the case, (since they technically don't draw from the grid)
they
would be independent of this. (not sure though, so feel free to dispute).

Do you in fact know of ANY that have built their own power station?
Alcoa in Portland had a special transmission line installed for them, at
taxpayer expense of course. And they get a special electricity rate far
lower than domestic users pay.

Alcoa built a power station in Anglesea, where there are coal
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deposits, to supply their Point Henry smelter.
 
"Phil Allison"

** The efficiency of small halogen bulbs ( ie dichroic downlights) is
hardy any better than that of standard incandescent bulbs.

The only " halogens" you can expect to escape the ban are large wattage
types ( ie PAR lamps etc ) used mainly for outdoor lighting &
entertainment purposes.
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** It has come to my attention ( via the marvels of Google and Wiki ) that
there is another class of small halogen bulbs - called " Halogen IR" for
halogen-infrared.

Very few examples exist on the market anywhere ( apart from a special
headlamp bulb used in a Toyota vehicle) but they may find a whole new
market if the usual kind of halogen bulbs are banned en masse.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halogen_lamp#Halogen_infrared





........ Phil
 
LCD screens do not use phosphors. They use filters. Plasma screens use
phosphors.

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JANA
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"Phil Allison" <philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
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"JANA"
I have a 19 inch Viewsonic monitor. It is rated at 165 Watts for the power
consumption.
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** The new energy regulations are for TV sets.


I also have a 20 inch LCD monitor. It is rated at 55 Watts for the power
consumption.
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** The new energy regulations are for TV sets.



The digital power monitor in the UPS that is running the monitor showed
that
the label on the back side of the monitor is fairly accurate to the power
rating that it indicates.
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** The new energy regulations are for TV sets.



The end result is that it is a NO-Brainer to see which type of monitor is
best for power conservation.
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** Did you read my post at all ??

Top posters usually don't read the post they rudely write on top of.




When the CRT monitor is disposed of, there are rare earth phosphors in the
CRT that are very bad for the environment.
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** Shame about the similar phosphors in the light inside an LCD screen.

And all fluoro tubes.


....... Phil



Here is the follow-up!!!

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/10/11/2056313.htm


** Knewed it was just another media "beat up".

LCD screens draw far less wattage than the equivalent size CRT types.


** With computer monitors, that is so as CRT monitors are not the same as
TV sets.

With TV sets, similar size LCD and CRT models usually have similar
wattage
consumption figures.


Both the Plasma and LCD TV sets are less harmful to the environment when
disposed
of.


** Doubt there is much in it.

This type of TV set will outlast most of the CRT sets that were made.


** Doubt there is much in it.



....... Phil
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The lamps in the LCD screens are typically rated to about 50,000 to 60,000
hours. At 12 hours per day use, this should be about 11 to 15 years! I
would think that the power supply, and other sections of the set will
probably die before the lamps do!

The way that the industry is going, I would think that after about 5 to 7
years, people who bought LCD or Plasma screens will be looking for new ones
just to be up to date. I am sure that the manufactures will find a way to
make their screens be obsolete, and force people to change them.



--

JANA
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"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message
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On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 13:52:08 GMT, "ian field" <dai.ode@ntlworld.com>
put finger to keyboard and composed:

"JANA" <jana@NOSPAMca.inter.net> wrote in message
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Here is the follow-up!!!

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/10/11/2056313.htm


LCD screens draw far less wattage than the equivalent size CRT types.
Both
the Plasma and LCD TV sets are less harmful to the environment when
disposed
of. This type of TV set will outlast most of the CRT sets that were
made.
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I doubt it. I expect that lamps and/or inverters will need to be
replaced within 5 years.

Worldwide the greenie weenies are like terrier dogs - once they get their
teeth into something they won't let go until they get something banned!
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If they push this issue, then hopefully the consumer backlash will
consign them to political oblivion where they belong.

- Franc Zabkar
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Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
 
Phil Allison wrote:
"Phil Allison"

** The efficiency of small halogen bulbs ( ie dichroic downlights) is
hardy any better than that of standard incandescent bulbs.

The only " halogens" you can expect to escape the ban are large
wattage types ( ie PAR lamps etc ) used mainly for outdoor lighting &
entertainment purposes.


** It has come to my attention ( via the marvels of Google and Wiki )
that there is another class of small halogen bulbs - called "
Halogen IR" for halogen-infrared.

Very few examples exist on the market anywhere ( apart from a special
headlamp bulb used in a Toyota vehicle)
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I don't know about "very few" - Osram have had their Decostar IRC halogen
bulbs out for quite a while, and there are probably other brands.
 
"JANA"

LCD screens do not use phosphors. They use filters. Plasma screens use
phosphors.
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** You did NOT read my post at all !!

YOU TOP POSTING FUCKING JERK !!


..... Phil




"JANA"
I have a 19 inch Viewsonic monitor. It is rated at 165 Watts for the
power
consumption.


** The new energy regulations are for TV sets.


I also have a 20 inch LCD monitor. It is rated at 55 Watts for the power
consumption.


** The new energy regulations are for TV sets.



The digital power monitor in the UPS that is running the monitor showed
that
the label on the back side of the monitor is fairly accurate to the power
rating that it indicates.


** The new energy regulations are for TV sets.



The end result is that it is a NO-Brainer to see which type of monitor is
best for power conservation.


** Did you read my post at all ??

Top posters usually don't read the post they rudely write on top of.


When the CRT monitor is disposed of, there are rare earth phosphors in
the
CRT that are very bad for the environment.


** Shame about the similar phosphors in the light inside an LCD screen.

And all fluoro tubes.


...... Phil
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On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 01:47:57 -0400, "JANA" <jana@NOSPAMca.inter.net>
put finger to keyboard and composed:

The lamps in the LCD screens are typically rated to about 50,000 to 60,000
hours. At 12 hours per day use, this should be about 11 to 15 years! I
would think that the power supply, and other sections of the set will
probably die before the lamps do!
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I have had to fix several LCD monitors. Most had inverter problems.

- Franc Zabkar
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Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
 
As so many people have blocked you, it is hardly surprising that anyone
reads your comments !!
btw, that reminds me !!






"Phil Allison" <philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
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"JANA"

LCD screens do not use phosphors. They use filters. Plasma screens use
phosphors.


** You did NOT read my post at all !!

YOU TOP POSTING FUCKING JERK !!


..... Phil




"JANA"
I have a 19 inch Viewsonic monitor. It is rated at 165 Watts for the
power
consumption.


** The new energy regulations are for TV sets.


I also have a 20 inch LCD monitor. It is rated at 55 Watts for the
power
consumption.


** The new energy regulations are for TV sets.



The digital power monitor in the UPS that is running the monitor showed
that
the label on the back side of the monitor is fairly accurate to the
power
rating that it indicates.


** The new energy regulations are for TV sets.



The end result is that it is a NO-Brainer to see which type of monitor
is
best for power conservation.


** Did you read my post at all ??

Top posters usually don't read the post they rudely write on top of.


When the CRT monitor is disposed of, there are rare earth phosphors in
the
CRT that are very bad for the environment.


** Shame about the similar phosphors in the light inside an LCD screen.

And all fluoro tubes.


...... Phil
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"eddie"


** Fuck off - you stupid WANKER !!




"JANA"

LCD screens do not use phosphors. They use filters. Plasma screens use
phosphors.


** You did NOT read my post at all !!

YOU TOP POSTING FUCKING JERK !!


..... Phil
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Clifford Heath wrote:
JANA wrote:
LCD screens do not use phosphors. They use filters.

Where does the light come from that they filter?

Phosphors.
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No. Not phosphors. LEDS ( well actually transistors if you want to split
hairs).


geoff
 
On 18/10/2007 08:03 Geoff wrote:
Clifford Heath wrote:
JANA wrote:
LCD screens do not use phosphors. They use filters.
Where does the light come from that they filter?

Phosphors.

No. Not phosphors. LEDS ( well actually transistors if you want to split
hairs).


geoff
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Thanks for telling me the light source is LEDs/transistors. All the
time I thought there were compact fluorescent lamps (containing mercury
and phosphors) behind the LCD panel.


Bob
 
"Bob Parker"
Geoff wrote:
Clifford Heath wrote:
JANA wrote:
LCD screens do not use phosphors. They use filters.
Where does the light come from that they filter?

Phosphors.

No. Not phosphors. LEDS ( well actually transistors if you want to split
hairs).


geoff

Thanks for telling me the light source is LEDs/transistors. All the time
I thought there were compact fluorescent lamps (containing mercury and
phosphors) behind the LCD panel.
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** Wot - those evil little buggers are hiding everywhere !!




......... Phil ;-)
 
Bob Parker wrote:
On 18/10/2007 08:03 Geoff wrote:
Clifford Heath wrote:
JANA wrote:
LCD screens do not use phosphors. They use filters.
Where does the light come from that they filter?

Phosphors.

No. Not phosphors. LEDS ( well actually transistors if you want to
split hairs).


geoff

Thanks for telling me the light source is LEDs/transistors. All
the time I thought there were compact fluorescent lamps (containing
mercury and phosphors) behind the LCD panel.
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I doubt very much they use LEDs - none of the panels I've seen inside use
them - they use cold-cathode fluoros. LEDs don't have the light output nor
colour purity of fluoros - yet.

Anyway, don't white LEDs use phosphors to produce their "white" light?
 
Poxy wrote:
Bob Parker wrote:
On 18/10/2007 08:03 Geoff wrote:
Clifford Heath wrote:
JANA wrote:
LCD screens do not use phosphors. They use filters.
Where does the light come from that they filter?

Phosphors.
No. Not phosphors. LEDS ( well actually transistors if you want to
split hairs).


geoff
Thanks for telling me the light source is LEDs/transistors. All
the time I thought there were compact fluorescent lamps (containing
mercury and phosphors) behind the LCD panel.

I doubt very much they use LEDs - none of the panels I've seen inside use
them - they use cold-cathode fluoros. LEDs don't have the light output nor
colour purity of fluoros - yet.

Anyway, don't white LEDs use phosphors to produce their "white" light?
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Do cathode ray TVs have white pixels?

Dorf
 
"Dorfus Dippintush"
Poxy wrote:

Anyway, don't white LEDs use phosphors to produce their "white" light?


Do cathode ray TVs have white pixels?
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** Monochrome ( ie B&W) ones do - dickhead.

But electron beam excited phosphors are different compositions from UV ( ie
fluor) or blue light excited ones.




........ Phil
 
"Poxy" <pox@poxymail.com> wrote in message
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Bob Parker wrote:
On 18/10/2007 08:03 Geoff wrote:
Clifford Heath wrote:
JANA wrote:
LCD screens do not use phosphors. They use filters.
Where does the light come from that they filter?

Phosphors.

No. Not phosphors. LEDS ( well actually transistors if you want to
split hairs).


geoff

Thanks for telling me the light source is LEDs/transistors. All
the time I thought there were compact fluorescent lamps (containing
mercury and phosphors) behind the LCD panel.

I doubt very much they use LEDs - none of the panels I've seen inside use
them - they use cold-cathode fluoros. LEDs don't have the light output nor
colour purity of fluoros - yet.

Anyway, don't white LEDs use phosphors to produce their "white" light?
Click to expand...
White LEDs normally consist of a blue LED with a yellow phosphor - except
for RGB LEDs.
 
Bob Parker wrote:
On 18/10/2007 08:03 Geoff wrote:
Clifford Heath wrote:
JANA wrote:
LCD screens do not use phosphors. They use filters.
Where does the light come from that they filter?

Phosphors.

No. Not phosphors. LEDS ( well actually transistors if you want to
split hairs).


geoff

Thanks for telling me the light source is LEDs/transistors. All
the time I thought there were compact fluorescent lamps (containing
mercury and phosphors) behind the LCD panel.
Click to expand...

Yes, you are right. Brain-fart on my part !

Mind you, phosphors if they are not in a screen still exist somewhere
else....

geoff
 
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