Plasma TV & Cables

[Tim]

Hi I am getting a Plasma soon, and was told by the TV shop, that I should
get these you beaut $150 leads, that give out a much better picture than the
standard av leads.
Is this true, or is it just to get more money out of me ?

Thanks again guys

 

[David L. Jones]

On Jul 3, 9:11 am, "Tim" <t...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hi I am getting a Plasma soon, and was told by the TV shop, that I should
get these you beaut $150 leads, that give out a much better picture than the
standard av leads.
Is this true, or is it just to get more money out of me ?

Thanks again guys

It is complete bullshit, and there are many manufacturers of "high
performance" leads like this to cater for a fairly sizable gullible
market.
"Monster Cables" are the classic bullshit brand, I saw a HDMI "Monster
Cable" in Hardly Normals the other day for $300.

Don't buy leads in the shop (esp HDMI), eBay have them at much more
realistic prices.

You won't see (or hear) a lick of difference between different cable
brands or prices, and anything they attempt to show you to the
contrary is a trick. This topic has been done to death on here and
other groups, and in the electronics magazines.

Dave.

 

[kreed]

On Jul 3, 9:11 am, "Tim" <t...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hi I am getting a Plasma soon, and was told by the TV shop, that I should
get these you beaut $150 leads, that give out a much better picture than the
standard av leads.
Is this true, or is it just to get more money out of me ?

Thanks again guys

Its a load of crap.

If you really really must have quality OFC leads, gold plated
connectors for your system, then consider the WES range

page 10.
http://www.wagner.net.au/catalogue/08_Prepared-Leads.pdf

Trade price for 3 rca to 3 rca about $10-24 depending on length (1.5m
to 15m available)


I have used these in the past, more for quality and reliability
reasons, and can recommend them.

 

[Alan Rutlidge]

"David L. Jones" <altzone@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1183420697.583242.101740@o11g2000prd.googlegroups.com...

On Jul 3, 9:11 am, "Tim" <t...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi I am getting a Plasma soon, and was told by the TV shop, that I should
get these you beaut $150 leads, that give out a much better picture than
the
standard av leads.
Is this true, or is it just to get more money out of me ?

Thanks again guys

It is complete bullshit, and there are many manufacturers of "high
performance" leads like this to cater for a fairly sizable gullible
market.
"Monster Cables" are the classic bullshit brand, I saw a HDMI "Monster
Cable" in Hardly Normals the other day for $300.

Don't buy leads in the shop (esp HDMI), eBay have them at much more
realistic prices.

You won't see (or hear) a lick of difference between different cable
brands or prices, and anything they attempt to show you to the
contrary is a trick. This topic has been done to death on here and
other groups, and in the electronics magazines.

Dave.

I agree with David. Most of the 'benefits" are purely hype.
A typical ploy used by some retailers to "demonstrate" the difference is to
hook up a STB or DVD player via a composite video lead (worst possible
connection method) and also via the HDMI lead (best possible connection).
They switch between the two claiming the bad picture is a standard HDMI lead
and the better picture is via their "premium" HDMI lead (read overpriced
lead). The average Joe doesn't realise he's been had but does notice the
obvious difference in picture quality.
When choosing any AV leads, check for obvious signs of reasonable quality
assembly and apparent robustness. Flimsy plastic connectors and unusually
thin cables are signs of cheap components which aren't like to perform well
or last the distance.

Cheers,
Alan

 

[atec77]

Tim wrote:

Hi I am getting a Plasma soon, and was told by the TV shop, that I should
get these you beaut $150 leads, that give out a much better picture than the
standard av leads.
Is this true, or is it just to get more money out of me ?

Thanks again guys


I suggest you investigate some of the less expensive cables , I use good

product obtained wholesale and see simialr quality being sold for
considerably less than was offered to you , of the $150.00 1/3 goes to
the sales person some to the store and maybe $30.00 on the cable though
I would steer clear of $10.00 specials .

 

[Rudolf]

Hi,

For the short distance it will not matter, however if you are planning to
run a long distance (say 5+ meters), you are better off getting cables that
have better shielding t minimise noise pickup.

Rudolf
P.S. I have seen in one shop demo if cheap vs expensive cables and you could
see some picture difference. Upon close examinations, I saw that cheap cable
was connected to AV input, while expensive one used component...


"Tim" <tim45@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Hi I am getting a Plasma soon, and was told by the TV shop, that I should
get these you beaut $150 leads, that give out a much better picture than
the standard av leads.
Is this true, or is it just to get more money out of me ?

Thanks again guys

 

[Mr.T]

"Alan Rutlidge" <don't_spam_me_rutlidge@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
news:4689b74f$0$12838$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...

A typical ploy used by some retailers to "demonstrate" the difference is
to
hook up a STB or DVD player via a composite video lead (worst possible
connection method) and also via the HDMI lead (best possible connection).

Yes.

They switch between the two claiming the bad picture is a standard HDMI
lead
and the better picture is via their "premium" HDMI lead (read overpriced
lead).

No, most simply make no mention of any cheaper HDMI leads, they simply prove
you need one, then sell you a cheap one at an expensive price, thereby
making extra profit on the sale.
Shops/salesmen have been using similar tactics on all consumer goods for
centuries.
The motor industry being one of the worst offenders, new houses even worse
in most cases.
Smart shoppers simply shop for the best price Vs performance ratio on ALL
items, taking any proven service/support/backup into consideration.

MrT.

 

[Mr.T]

"atec77" <"atec 77 at hotmail dot com"> wrote in message
news:4689bcdb@dnews.tpgi.com.au...

I would steer clear of $10.00 specials .

In fact if the $10 specials don't work adequately, you have only wasted $10!
Like everything else there is some real crap at the bottom end of the price
scale, and some quite adequate. The mechanical differences are quite obvious
in most cases.

MrT.

 

[Mr.T]

"Rudolf" <aus_electronics@rumatech.com> wrote in message
news:138jgp51ljve997@corp.supernews.com...

P.S. I have seen in one shop demo if cheap vs expensive cables and you
could
see some picture difference. Upon close examinations, I saw that cheap
cable
was connected to AV input, while expensive one used component...

Exactly, and that is their point. 3 component cables do perform better and
cost more than 1 composite cable, even for similar cable quality.
They simply neglect to say how much or little improvement is to be had over
using 3 cheap component cables Vs 3 expensive ones.
Uninformed customers are a salesman's dream after all.

MrT.

 

[atec77]

Mr.T wrote:

"atec77" <"atec 77 at hotmail dot com"> wrote in message
news:4689bcdb@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
I would steer clear of $10.00 specials .

In fact if the $10 specials don't work adequately, you have only wasted $10!
Like everything else there is some real crap at the bottom end of the price
scale, and some quite adequate. The mechanical differences are quite obvious
in most cases.

MrT.


Experience tells me if I cant buy the parts in china for the asking rice

of the cable then the cable stands a good chance of being mechanically
didgy , for av to rca for instance a pretty good cable can be had for
under $20.00 retail .

 

[Mr.T]

"atec77" <"atec 77 at hotmail dot com"> wrote in message
news:4689ca54@dnews.tpgi.com.au...

Experience tells me if I cant buy the parts in china for the asking rice
of the cable then the cable stands a good chance of being mechanically
didgy ,

Maybe, but I've never seen any cables THAT cheap.
I've bought $5 ones that are perfectly good though, and seen plenty of $2
ones that I wouldn't bother with.

for av to rca for instance a pretty good cable can be had for
under $20.00 retail .

Agreed, a lot "under" in many cases.

MrT.

 

[Franc Zabkar]

On Tue, 3 Jul 2007 09:11:53 +1000, "Tim" <tim45@yahoo.com> put finger
to keyboard and composed:

Hi I am getting a Plasma soon, and was told by the TV shop, that I should
get these you beaut $150 leads, that give out a much better picture than the
standard av leads.
Is this true, or is it just to get more money out of me ?

Thanks again guys

Dick Smith are selling HDMI male-to-male 1.5m cables for AU$35
(CA1779) and $50 (C1779).

But for AU$369 (incl GST) you can upgrade to a 2m Monster cable
(CA0902). It seems like a rip-off, but the 24 carat gold contacts
allow for "increased power handling ... to deliver the full dynamic
range of explosions and crashes found in today's movies" (the ones and
zeroes require much more current at subwoofer frequencies). And the
"heavy duty outer Duraflex protective jacket resists temperature
extremes" such as those encountered in a typical Australian lounge
room. And for the fashion aficionado, the cable features a "stylish,
futuristic connector design inspired by Star Wars epics".

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

 

[atec77]

Mr.T wrote:

"atec77" <"atec 77 at hotmail dot com"> wrote in message
news:4689ca54@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
Experience tells me if I cant buy the parts in china for the asking rice
of the cable then the cable stands a good chance of being mechanically
didgy ,

Maybe, but I've never seen any cables THAT cheap.
I've bought $5 ones that are perfectly good though, and seen plenty of $2
ones that I wouldn't bother with.

for av to rca for instance a pretty good cable can be had for
under $20.00 retail .

Agreed, a lot "under" in many cases.

MrT.


Hopefully better than the crap foxtel installes .

 

[atec77]

Franc Zabkar wrote:

On Tue, 3 Jul 2007 09:11:53 +1000, "Tim" <tim45@yahoo.com> put finger
to keyboard and composed:

Hi I am getting a Plasma soon, and was told by the TV shop, that I should
get these you beaut $150 leads, that give out a much better picture than the
standard av leads.
Is this true, or is it just to get more money out of me ?

Thanks again guys

Dick Smith are selling HDMI male-to-male 1.5m cables for AU$35
(CA1779) and $50 (C1779).

But for AU$369 (incl GST) you can upgrade to a 2m Monster cable
(CA0902). It seems like a rip-off, but the 24 carat gold contacts
allow for "increased power handling ... to deliver the full dynamic
range of explosions and crashes found in today's movies" (the ones and
zeroes require much more current at subwoofer frequencies). And the
"heavy duty outer Duraflex protective jacket resists temperature
extremes" such as those encountered in a typical Australian lounge
room. And for the fashion aficionado, the cable features a "stylish,
futuristic connector design inspired by Star Wars epics".

- Franc Zabkar
No need to take the piss . ok ?

 

[Mr.T]

"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message
news:et6j83t83tjs46pu6pivlcvl10rdp5vhao@4ax.com...

Dick Smith are selling HDMI male-to-male 1.5m cables for AU$35
(CA1779) and $50 (C1779).

Or AU$25 for a 5 metre one from MSY, and other computer shops.

But for AU$369 (incl GST) you can upgrade to a 2m Monster cable
(CA0902). It seems like a rip-off, but the 24 carat gold contacts
allow for "increased power handling ... to deliver the full dynamic
range of explosions and crashes found in today's movies" (the ones and
zeroes require much more current at subwoofer frequencies). And the
"heavy duty outer Duraflex protective jacket resists temperature
extremes" such as those encountered in a typical Australian lounge
room. And for the fashion aficionado, the cable features a "stylish,
futuristic connector design inspired by Star Wars epics".

I assume you forgot the smiley.

MrT.

 

[Argusy]

atec77 wrote:

Mr.T wrote:

"atec77" <"atec 77 at hotmail dot com"> wrote in message
news:4689bcdb@dnews.tpgi.com.au...

I would steer clear of $10.00 specials .


In fact if the $10 specials don't work adequately, you have only
wasted $10!
Like everything else there is some real crap at the bottom end of the
price
scale, and some quite adequate. The mechanical differences are quite
obvious
in most cases.

MrT.


Experience tells me if I cant buy the parts in china for the asking rice
of the cable then the cable stands a good chance of being mechanically
didgy , for av to rca for instance a pretty good cable can be had for
under $20.00 retail .

ROTFLOL.

You missed a 'p' in 'asking rice', but seeing you mentioned China, your sentence
still makes sense. (or was that on purpose?)
That makes for a cheap cable. And I agree with the common thought in this
thread. I was making valve amplifiers loooong before some salesman came up with
the "gold" or "silver" content in (very expensive) cables to improve a/v quality.

Bullshit

Argusy VK5CRC

 

[Blutt]

"atec77" <"atec 77 at hotmail dot com"> wrote in message
news:4689bcdb@dnews.tpgi.com.au...

Tim wrote:
Hi I am getting a Plasma soon, and was told by the TV shop, that I should
get these you beaut $150 leads, that give out a much better picture than
the standard av leads.
Is this true, or is it just to get more money out of me ?

Thanks again guys
I suggest you investigate some of the less expensive cables , I use good
product obtained wholesale and see simialr quality being sold for
considerably less than was offered to you , of the $150.00 1/3 goes to the
sales person some to the store and maybe $30.00 on the cable though I
would steer clear of $10.00 specials .

Now you have done it!
Your old mate "Lynx" will be on here soon extolling the virtues of
overpriced
cables and telling everyone how good they are and how he can see and hear
the difference and how his pets are MUCH less affected by stray EMF's since
he has spent so many $$$$ on his cables....

 

[Trevor Wilson]

"Tim" <tim45@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4689863b$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au...

Hi I am getting a Plasma soon, and was told by the TV shop, that I should
get these you beaut $150 leads, that give out a much better picture than
the standard av leads.
Is this true, or is it just to get more money out of me ?

**Yep. You need to know one simple fact:

There is bugger-all profit margin in hardware anymore. A $5,000.00 plasma
might make the retailer 8%. If he is real lucky. OTOH, a set of $150.00
cables will return more than 100% profit for the dealer. Needless to say,
dealers like to make a Dollar, so they can feed their kids. That is not to
say that there are some crap cables out there. There are. Cheap ones and
expensive ones. I was called out to a job awhile ago and I tracked the
fault/s to dodgy RCA cables. I patiently explained to the client that I
needed to replace ALL his cables, in what was a very large install. The
cables he had were known to me and I knew them to be 'mutton dressed as
lamb'. Really bad quality connectors and crap wires, but with nice gold
plating and thick PVC sheaths. He paid $160.00 per cable (about 3 grand's
worth of crap cables). I pay $4.00 for the same cables. Anyway, I upgraded
him to $20.00 cables (on which I made a respectable 50% mark-up) and haven't
heard a peep from him. I wouldn't be in the shoes of the original installer
for any money though. The client was so badly gouged by the arsehole, I had
to tell him. He is a litigator and very pissed off.

Trouble for you is:

You can't know what is good and what is bad. You need to destroy a cable and
know what you're looking for, before you can know. The Dick Smith Harmony
stuff is pretty good and pretty good value for money. Start there. The WES
products mentioned by others are also good. HOWEVER, some of the WES stuff
is shockingly bad.

--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au



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[Poxy]

Trevor Wilson wrote:

Start there. The WES products mentioned by others are also good.
HOWEVER, some of the WES stuff is shockingly bad.

Is that spelt "Soundlink"?

 

[Franc Zabkar]

On Wed, 4 Jul 2007 10:51:45 +1000, "Trevor Wilson"
<trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> put finger to keyboard and
composed:

HOWEVER, some of the WES stuff is shockingly bad.

I'm glad you mentioned this. I'm seeing a very high proportion of bad
3xRCA leads, Daichi brand, WES code VC50 or VC60. They typically break
at the video connector.

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.