Pepping up a Silicon Chip SC480 audio amplifier

On Aug 22, 3:36 pm, cth <a...@b.c> wrote:
Terry Given wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
"Terry Given" <my_n...@ieee.org> wrote in message
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Moi wrote:

"Terry Given" <my_n...@ieee.org> wrote in message
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SNIP

I love my digital video recorder. I shall never watch another ad.

Can you set that up so that it omits all adverts then? And does it
work 100% (in the face of all the efforts of the advertisers?) How
does it work?

I press the FF button, and with practice can go *very* fast and not
overshoot (well at least not too often).

it would be lovely to have it eat the ads automagically, but I doubt
we'll see commercial products that do that anytime soon.

**I looked at doing just that a dozen or so years back. Back then, TV
stations used to send a 200mS of black level, before and after ads.
Trouble was, the system was not infallible, since some programmes go
to black.

you could almost do it looking solely at volume levels. ads are *always*
louder, some channels more so than others. Still, 8x or 20x FF works
pretty well, and requires little or no effort on my part.

Cheers
Terry

Elektor published a design a few years ago that identified the
station/broadcaster watermark in the video stream and output start/pause
codes via IR to the recorder at the appropriate time. The recorder IR
codes were entered using a learning mode like the universal remotes.

http://www.elektor.com/magazines/2004/july/tv-commercials-killer.5701...

Never built it but it seemed a sound concept.
Until they change the logo position, which they tend to do on a
regular basis.

Often much easier to download the show you want, were some geek has
already removed the ads for you ;-)

Dave.
 
On Aug 22, 6:51 pm, Jasen Betts <ja...@xnet.co.nz> wrote:
On 2008-08-21, Terry Given <my_n...@ieee.org> wrote:



Moi wrote:
"Terry Given" <my_n...@ieee.org> wrote in message
news:1219315811.254342@ftpsrv1...
SNIP

I love my digital video recorder. I shall never watch another ad.

Can you set that up so that it omits all adverts then? And does it work 100%
(in the face of all the efforts of the advertisers?) How does it work?

I press the FF button, and with practice can go *very* fast and not
overshoot (well at least not too often).

it would be lovely to have it eat the ads automagically, but I doubt
we'll see commercial products that do that anytime soon.

it's just a software problem as others have said there's a watermark
that can be used, all that needs to be done is detect it and stop
recording when it disappears and start a few seconds before it
reappears, as it typically turns up late.
Ah, how does it know when the logo is about to re-appear?

Dave.
 
On 2008-08-22, David L. Jones <altzone@gmail.com> wrote:
On Aug 22, 6:51 pm, Jasen Betts <ja...@xnet.co.nz> wrote:
On 2008-08-21, Terry Given <my_n...@ieee.org> wrote:

it would be lovely to have it eat the ads automagically, but I doubt
we'll see commercial products that do that anytime soon.

it's just a software problem as others have said there's a watermark
that can be used, all that needs to be done is detect it and stop
recording when it disappears and start a few seconds before it
reappears, as it typically turns up late.

Ah, how does it know when the logo is about to re-appear?
one way would be to buffer a few seconds worth in RAM
when it sees the logo it saves the buffer

recording doesn't have to happen in real-time, only playback.

Bye.
Jasen
 
"David L. Jones" <altzone@gmail.com> wrote:

On Aug 22, 6:51 pm, Jasen Betts <ja...@xnet.co.nz> wrote:
On 2008-08-21, Terry Given <my_n...@ieee.org> wrote:



Moi wrote:
"Terry Given" <my_n...@ieee.org> wrote in message
news:1219315811.254342@ftpsrv1...
SNIP

I love my digital video recorder. I shall never watch another ad.

Can you set that up so that it omits all adverts then? And does it work 100%
(in the face of all the efforts of the advertisers?) How does it work?

I press the FF button, and with practice can go *very* fast and not
overshoot (well at least not too often).

it would be lovely to have it eat the ads automagically, but I doubt
we'll see commercial products that do that anytime soon.

it's just a software problem as others have said there's a watermark
that can be used, all that needs to be done is detect it and stop
recording when it disappears and start a few seconds before it
reappears, as it typically turns up late.

Ah, how does it know when the logo is about to re-appear?
MythTV <http://www.mythtv.org/> uses the logo and a couple of other
clues. It is conservative so it does miss some advertisements but mine
has never lost any program content. Like any other PVR it always
"records" a program so that it, and you, can skip backwards and
forwards. My computer is not powerful enough to remove advertisements
in real time so I have to wait about the same time as the length of
the program before I can watch the advertisement-free version.

It is not a commercial program and it is totally free but not the
faint hearted. You can build a MythTV PVR for a little less than a
similar consumer product. Commercial programs do what the content
providers want them to which resulted in some Microsoft Vista users
missing not just one program but several days recording
<http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080514-nbc-vista-copy-protection-snafu-reminds-us-why-drm-stinks.html>.
 
Terry Given wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:

**If you want high frequencies, then build a MOSFET amp.

Not even necessary with Toshiba bipolars.

any suitable part numbers?
Straight off the top of my head no and I don't have a Toshiba Data book
here although I may have in pdf form. Their 'audio' power devices vary if
fT from 10-40 Mhz. Sanken do some fast ones too IIRC.

Hah - from a QSC schematic, 2SA1943 and 2SC5200 (widely used) are good for
30 MHz and plenty of volts and amps.

Can post in abse

Graham
 
Trevor Wilson wrote:

"Eeyore" wrote
Trevor Wilson wrote:

**If you want high frequencies, then build a MOSFET amp.

Not even necessary with Toshiba bipolars.

**As Phil has already stated, MOSFETs are MUCH better at HF than even the
Toshiba BJTs.
Don't forget the nice beefy driver stage to charge and discharge that gate
capacitance.

Graham
 
David Segall wrote:
"David L. Jones" <altzone@gmail.com> wrote:


On Aug 22, 6:51 pm, Jasen Betts <ja...@xnet.co.nz> wrote:

On 2008-08-21, Terry Given <my_n...@ieee.org> wrote:




Moi wrote:

"Terry Given" <my_n...@ieee.org> wrote in message
news:1219315811.254342@ftpsrv1...
SNIP

I love my digital video recorder. I shall never watch another ad.

Can you set that up so that it omits all adverts then? And does it work 100%
(in the face of all the efforts of the advertisers?) How does it work?

I press the FF button, and with practice can go *very* fast and not
overshoot (well at least not too often).

it would be lovely to have it eat the ads automagically, but I doubt
we'll see commercial products that do that anytime soon.

it's just a software problem as others have said there's a watermark
that can be used, all that needs to be done is detect it and stop
recording when it disappears and start a few seconds before it
reappears, as it typically turns up late.

Ah, how does it know when the logo is about to re-appear?

MythTV <http://www.mythtv.org/> uses the logo and a couple of other
clues. It is conservative so it does miss some advertisements but mine
has never lost any program content. Like any other PVR it always
"records" a program so that it, and you, can skip backwards and
forwards. My computer is not powerful enough to remove advertisements
in real time so I have to wait about the same time as the length of
the program before I can watch the advertisement-free version.

It is not a commercial program and it is totally free but not the
faint hearted. You can build a MythTV PVR for a little less than a
similar consumer product. Commercial programs do what the content
providers want them to which resulted in some Microsoft Vista users
missing not just one program but several days recording
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080514-nbc-vista-copy-protection-snafu-reminds-us-why-drm-stinks.html>.
yeah, my computer guys have suggested I try similar things, but always
with the "not for the faint-hearted" caveat. My preference, however, is
to buy a thing in a box, unpack it, plug it in and turn it on, then sit
back with a beer.

but VFF is a lot better than watching ads in real time, so Im happy
enough with that. I try hard to *only* watch time-delayed telly.

Cheers
Terry
 
Eeyore wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:


"Eeyore" wrote

Trevor Wilson wrote:


**If you want high frequencies, then build a MOSFET amp.

Not even necessary with Toshiba bipolars.

**As Phil has already stated, MOSFETs are MUCH better at HF than even the
Toshiba BJTs.


Don't forget the nice beefy driver stage to charge and discharge that gate
capacitance.

Graham
In the '90s I did a design for a low-power 2MHz diagonal half-bridge
SMPS. INitially I used FETs, but when I looked at the H-field emanating
from the gate traces (which were constrained to be on one layer, and
long), I changed the switching devices to bipolars - for the same speed
I required much less peak driver current. Sure, I had to cough up some
continuous driver current, but that was a lot less than the peak.

I have a SMPS Im finishing off now that sucks 1W@12V, just to drive the
gates of 6 hefty FETs - so much that I actually dropped Fsw to keep it
under control. Once this design is in production I will design a
resonant gate driver, and see how low I can reduce the gate losses.

oh yeah Graham, I cant see ABSE, so if you could email me those Toshiba
datasheets it would be appreciated.

Cheers
Terry
 
On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 11:03:39 +1200, Terry Given <my_name@ieee.org> put
finger to keyboard and composed:

oh yeah Graham, I cant see ABSE, so if you could email me those Toshiba
datasheets it would be appreciated.

Cheers
Terry
http://www.toshiba.com/taec/Catalog/pages/search.jsp
http://www.toshiba.com/taec/components2/Datasheet_Sync//66/7673.pdf
http://www.toshiba.com/taec/components2/Datasheet_Sync//66/7890.pdf

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
 
Franc Zabkar wrote:
On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 11:03:39 +1200, Terry Given <my_name@ieee.org> put
finger to keyboard and composed:


oh yeah Graham, I cant see ABSE, so if you could email me those Toshiba
datasheets it would be appreciated.

Cheers
Terry


http://www.toshiba.com/taec/Catalog/pages/search.jsp
http://www.toshiba.com/taec/components2/Datasheet_Sync//66/7673.pdf
http://www.toshiba.com/taec/components2/Datasheet_Sync//66/7890.pdf

- Franc Zabkar
ta. If I wasnt so dim, I could have typed them into google. duh.

Cheers
Terry
 
"Eeysore"
Trevor Wilson wrote:
"Eeyore" wrote
Trevor Wilson wrote:

**If you want high frequencies, then build a MOSFET amp.

Not even necessary with Toshiba bipolars.

**As Phil has already stated, MOSFETs are MUCH better at HF than even the
Toshiba BJTs.

Don't forget the nice beefy driver stage to charge and discharge that gate
capacitance.

** Not at all necessary for either wide small signal bandwidth ( as wanted
by the OP) or where the load Z is fairly high - as is also the case with the
OP's stated needs.

Mosfet gate drive is requirements are VERY modest when the output power
level is lowish.

In any case, even with high power operation and parallel groups of lateral
mosfets, the standard drive circuit is nothing more than a pair of TO92
plastic pack transistors like the MPSA42 and MPSA92 and gives slew rates of
about +/- 50 volts per uS or 100kHz at full power.




...... Phil
 
"Eeysore"

Hah - from a QSC schematic, 2SA1943 and 2SC5200 (widely used) are good for
30 MHz and plenty of volts and amps.

** Shame how Ft is a strong function of Vce and Ic.

Ft drops like a stone below 0.5 amps and above 5 amps for those devices -
and nearly all other power BJTs are much worse.



...... Phil
 

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