OT: Win7 Make Desktop Classic ???

Jim Thompson · Aug 31, 2015

On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 16:28:21 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 19:05:43 -0400, Martin Riddle
martin_rid@verizon.net> wrote:

On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 17:17:17 -0400, M Philbrook
jamie_ka1lpa@charter.net> wrote:

[snip]

I don't know how true it is but i've been hearing stories about
WIn10 being full of peekaboo software!

Jamie

Yep Window Telemtry.

These are the so called update with the so called telemetry services.
Copy and past into a bat file

rem
https://www.yahoo.com/tech/s/not-just-windows-10-windows-7-8-tracking-162550762.html
rem According to the report, Microsoft bypasses
rem any edited instructions in the Hosts file
rem and exchanges data with vortex-win.data.microsoft.com
rem and settings-win.data.microsoft.com, possibly among others
wusa /uninstall /kb:3068708 /quiet /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3022345 /quiet /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3075249 /quiet /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3080149 /quiet /norestart

Cheers

Martin, Are you the one who posted how to get rid of the Win10 nag in
the Win7 tray?

Whoever it was, I deleted the post.

Do you know how to get rid of it?

...Jim Thompson

Jim Thompson · Aug 31, 2015

On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 16:38:21 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 19:05:43 -0400, Martin Riddle
martin_rid@verizon.net> wrote:

On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 17:17:17 -0400, M Philbrook
jamie_ka1lpa@charter.net> wrote:

In article <qln6ualu859e4sff4vkcjtadjt19ukuakn@4ax.com>,
legg@nospam.magma.ca says...

On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 08:40:23 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 19:15:33 +1000, Sylvia Else
sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote:

On 30/08/2015 5:06 AM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno wrote:
On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 11:27:43 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> Gave us:

OK... The important part... how do I make Win7 the desktop look like
it did in WinXP ?:-}

...Jim Thompson

It is unimportant because the power of modern computers negates the
old "it slows down your system" crap that used to get spewed.

One turns off these "features" not so much because they're slow, but
because they're annoying.

Sylvia.

Microsoft keeps trying to be Apple, and does it badly, and I for one
am not an Apple person. Apple's mandate was to bring computing to
artistic types, which few engineers are.

Have you seen what they've done to Skype? Absolutely nuts.

RL

Whats that, peekaboo software?

I don't know how true it is but i've been hearing stories about
WIn10 being full of peekaboo software!

Jamie

Yep Window Telemtry.

These are the so called update with the so called telemetry services.
Copy and past into a bat file

rem
https://www.yahoo.com/tech/s/not-just-windows-10-windows-7-8-tracking-162550762.html
rem According to the report, Microsoft bypasses
rem any edited instructions in the Hosts file
rem and exchanges data with vortex-win.data.microsoft.com
rem and settings-win.data.microsoft.com, possibly among others
wusa /uninstall /kb:3068708 /quiet /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3022345 /quiet /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3075249 /quiet /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3080149 /quiet /norestart

Cheers

Where does Win7 hide the "updates"? I don't see them in Add/Remove
Programs like in XP.

...Jim Thompson

legg · Aug 31, 2015

On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 12:21:18 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 11:27:43 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

OK... The important part... how do I make Win7 the desktop look like
it did in WinXP ?:-}

...Jim Thompson

Agent works perfectly. Others ?:-(

...Jim Thompson

A lot of programs (like Agent) can be installed to run from their own
directories, without regard for the W7 Program files (x86) nonsense.
Data storage directories can also be located outside of 'User'
identities, or the inaccessible 'documents and settings' folder, just
like on a 'real' computer.

The start menu can be ~ organized by rt/click opening start menu
folders, cutting/copying and pasting the links/folders within that
window into a recognizable order. Display is ordered alpha
numerically, so you might have to number prefix folder names to suit.

Having to run the machine always as an administrator, however, sort of
defeats the intention of the account security features.

RL

Aug 31, 2015

In sci.electronics.basics legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:

I'd be more interested in a VM that could run dll-hell type early SW
and HW.

I know you can run W2K in VirtualBox and Qemu, although I think even
W2K was starting to frown on some things that applications could get
away with under W9x, like trying to write to their own installation
directories when running.

If I had something that absolutely wouldn't run on NT/2K/XP, I'd
probably try running 98 or 98SE under VirtualBox. VirtualBox doesn't
officially support W9x anything, but you can kinda-sorta make it work:
https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?t=9918

Qemu would be my second choice of VM; it's harder to configure but seems
to support "weirder" things than just running an XP or DOS guest.

VMware may have a solution for this, but most of their stuff costs
money, so I've only gotten to play with it when somebody else was buying
the licenses. It has some neat features for setting up VMs over the
network that VirtualBox and Qemu either can't do or can't do as slickly.

With any of these, I'd figure out how to have a copy of the virtual
disk image file, so I could go back to a known good state when such
applications inevitably go wrong.

Standard disclaimers apply: I don't get money or other consideration
from any companies mentioned.

Matt Roberds

Martin Riddle · Aug 31, 2015

On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 16:51:28 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 19:05:43 -0400, Martin Riddle
martin_rid@verizon.net> wrote:

On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 17:17:17 -0400, M Philbrook
jamie_ka1lpa@charter.net> wrote:

In article <qln6ualu859e4sff4vkcjtadjt19ukuakn@4ax.com>,
legg@nospam.magma.ca says...

On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 08:40:23 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 19:15:33 +1000, Sylvia Else
sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote:

On 30/08/2015 5:06 AM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno wrote:
On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 11:27:43 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> Gave us:

OK... The important part... how do I make Win7 the desktop look like
it did in WinXP ?:-}

...Jim Thompson

It is unimportant because the power of modern computers negates the
old "it slows down your system" crap that used to get spewed.

One turns off these "features" not so much because they're slow, but
because they're annoying.

Sylvia.

Microsoft keeps trying to be Apple, and does it badly, and I for one
am not an Apple person. Apple's mandate was to bring computing to
artistic types, which few engineers are.

Have you seen what they've done to Skype? Absolutely nuts.

RL

Whats that, peekaboo software?

I don't know how true it is but i've been hearing stories about
WIn10 being full of peekaboo software!

Jamie

Yep Window Telemtry.

These are the so called update with the so called telemetry services.
Copy and past into a bat file

rem
https://www.yahoo.com/tech/s/not-just-windows-10-windows-7-8-tracking-162550762.html
rem According to the report, Microsoft bypasses
rem any edited instructions in the Hosts file
rem and exchanges data with vortex-win.data.microsoft.com
rem and settings-win.data.microsoft.com, possibly among others
wusa /uninstall /kb:3068708 /quiet /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3022345 /quiet /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3075249 /quiet /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3080149 /quiet /norestart

Cheers

3068708 is in the latest group of updates. Since I don't allow
automatic, should I uncheck that update, then run the BAT file, or
what?

...Jim Thompson

It should be listed as an optional update, click on the Optional
updates link from the main update screen.
You'll then see a list of the optional updates.
Don't check any boxes, just right click on the update and select hide.
( you can hide any update BTW)

As long as it is hidden it will not show up as one of the updates eg '
6 optional updates'.

uninstalling It doesnt stop MS from making a new update ;(

THe wusa (windows stanalone installer) scans for the KB number and
uninstalls it. you can remove the /quiet switch to see what it does.

I recomend a reboot to fininsh the uninstall.

I think 2 of the KB's are for Win7 and the other 2 are for Win8. I
only had 1 or 2 of those KB's installed.

Cheers

DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUn · Aug 31, 2015

On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 15:52:08 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> Gave us:

On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 08:40:23 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 19:15:33 +1000, Sylvia Else
sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote:

On 30/08/2015 5:06 AM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno wrote:
On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 11:27:43 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> Gave us:

OK... The important part... how do I make Win7 the desktop look like
it did in WinXP ?:-}

...Jim Thompson

It is unimportant because the power of modern computers negates the
old "it slows down your system" crap that used to get spewed.

One turns off these "features" not so much because they're slow, but
because they're annoying.

Sylvia.

Microsoft keeps trying to be Apple, and does it badly, and I for one
am not an Apple person. Apple's mandate was to bring computing to
artistic types, which few engineers are.

Have you seen what they've done to Skype? Absolutely nuts.

RL

It is another lame ploy to get users to "move" to Windows 10.

The reason I say that is because it works/looks fine in that set-up.

John Larkin · Aug 31, 2015

On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 11:27:43 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

OK... The important part... how do I make Win7 the desktop look like
it did in WinXP ?:-}

...Jim Thompson

Run UAC at the command prompt, which really isn't the command prompt
any more. That's a separate rant.

Use it to escalate your privileges so that you won't get nagged about
being unauthorized to do the things you'll do anyhow.

Martin Brown · Aug 31, 2015

On 29/08/2015 20:10, Joerg wrote:

On 2015-08-29 12:03 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 11:27:43 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

OK... The important part... how do I make Win7 the desktop look like
it did in WinXP ?:-}

...Jim Thompson

Win7 lets you select a classic desktop, get rid of the hideous Aero
look, and de-consolidate the thingies in the tray at the bottom.

Then install Classic Shell to fix Explorer windows.

I didn't have to install anything for that. Forgot how I exactly did it
but I think it was like this:

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-desktop/how-to-change-the-display-setting-to-windows/b2bfa391-79d0-4051-a843-ff099f05757d

The whole PC now looks like an NT era computer which is just what I
wanted. Of course, assuming Jim has 64-bit Win 7 Pro like I do he'll run
into all sorts of other nasty issues soon. Software not working right
anymore, weird lockups, and so on. Windows has been greatly dumbed down :-(

It really shouldn't do that Joerg. Win 7 Pro is considerably more stable
than XP and orders of magnitude better than Vista(a real dog).

Only software that is naughty and using peeky pokey IO tends to fail.

If you are encountering problems my advice is get a copy of blue screen
analyser to see which programmes or drivers are responsible.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

Martin Brown · Aug 31, 2015

On 30/08/2015 02:39, John Larkin wrote:

On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 18:21:04 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com
wrote:

On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 12:58:09 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

My old 16-bit apps don't work, no great loss.

"Install and use Windows XP Mode in Windows 7"
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows7/install-and-use-windows-xp-mode-in-windows-7
There are other Virtual Machines available that methinks are better.

That sounds complex. I'm trying to keep this Dell W7 machine as clean
and simple as possible.

It isn't that complex.

You make an image containing a virtual machine and you can click on it
to run awkward squad programs that need an XP environment to work.

Anything relying on peeky pokey access to physical IO is unlikely to
work but anything written to a previous Windows API should run OK.

The only 16-bit things that I might still run were written in
PowerBasic, the DOS version. I've converted a few of them to the
32-bit PBCC (the 32-bit PB Console Compiler) which isn't hard and
seems to work fine under 64-bit Win7.

Recompiling anything you use regularly is worthwhile but keeping a VM
for legacy stuff is worth it if no other alternative exists. From the
POV of the main OS the VM is just another application albeit one that
invokes virtual machine implementation when it runs.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

JW · Sep 2, 2015

On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 09:44:53 -0400 DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
<DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> wrote in Message id:
<kt16ua9nqocet50233on2efa3lrmif97s6@4ax.com>:

> Just got my new cage

Is there a padlock on it? (hoping)

DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUn · Sep 2, 2015

On Wed, 02 Sep 2015 07:14:33 -0400, JW <none@dev.null> Gave us:

On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 09:44:53 -0400 DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> wrote in Message id:
kt16ua9nqocet50233on2efa3lrmif97s6@4ax.com>:

Just got my new cage

Is there a padlock on it? (hoping)

Post morphing faggot JW is back again.

Someone should pummel your skull with a sock full of padlocks.

JW · Sep 3, 2015

On Wed, 02 Sep 2015 08:31:21 -0400 DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
<DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> wrote in Message id:
<utqduahbpmu9pd182902u0dek6f1j489sq@4ax.com>:

On Wed, 02 Sep 2015 07:14:33 -0400, JW <none@dev.null> Gave us:

On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 09:44:53 -0400 DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> wrote in Message id:
kt16ua9nqocet50233on2efa3lrmif97s6@4ax.com>:

Just got my new cage

Is there a padlock on it? (hoping)

Post is again back faggot JW morphing back.

Someone padlocks full pummel your with sock should a skull sock of .

Eh? Try making some sense for once, AngryMan.

DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUn · Sep 3, 2015

On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 08:14:54 -0400, JW <none@dev.null> Gave us:

On Wed, 02 Sep 2015 08:31:21 -0400 DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> wrote in Message id:
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On Wed, 02 Sep 2015 07:14:33 -0400, JW <none@dev.null> Gave us:

On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 09:44:53 -0400 DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> wrote in Message id:
kt16ua9nqocet50233on2efa3lrmif97s6@4ax.com>:

Just got my new cage

Is there a padlock on it? (hoping)

Post is again back faggot JW morphing back.

Oh look! The post morphing faggot JW is still pulling his immature
post morphing baby bullshit. Nice try, chump.

Someone padlocks full pummel your with sock should a skull sock of .

Someone should pummel your skull with a sock full of padlocks.

Eh? Try making some sense for once, AngryMan.

Post morphing immature punks like you will never grow up.

JW · Sep 3, 2015

On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 09:45:30 -0400 DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
<DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> wrote in Message id:
<gkjgua5o5rjkvaeq0ofqsrp863fn3a9lp1@4ax.com>:

On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 08:14:54 -0400, JW <none@dev.null> Gave us:

On Wed, 02 Sep 2015 08:31:21 -0400 DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> wrote in Message id:
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On Wed, 02 Sep 2015 07:14:33 -0400, JW <none@dev.null> Gave us:

On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 09:44:53 -0400 DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> wrote in Message id:
kt16ua9nqocet50233on2efa3lrmif97s6@4ax.com>:

Just got my new cage

Is there a padlock on it? (hoping)

Post is again back faggot JW morphing back.

Bu ybbx! Gur cbfg zbecuvat snttbg WJ vf fgvyy chyyvat uvf vzzngher
cbfg zbecuvat onol ohyyfuvg. Avpr gel, puhzc.

Someone padlocks full pummel your with sock should a skull sock of .

Fbzrbar fubhyq chzzry lbhe fxhyy jvgu n fbpx shyy bs cnqybpxf.

Eh? Try making some sense for once, AngryMan.

Cbfg zbecuvat vzzngher chaxf yvxr lbh jvyy arire tebj hc.

I don't see this as an improvement. Oh, wait...

Jim Thompson · Sep 3, 2015

On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 10:22:02 -0400, JW <none@dev.null> wrote:

On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 09:45:30 -0400 DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> wrote in Message id:
gkjgua5o5rjkvaeq0ofqsrp863fn3a9lp1@4ax.com>:

[snip]

Cbfg zbecuvat vzzngher chaxf yvxr lbh jvyy arire tebj hc.

I don't see this as an improvement. Oh, wait...

DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUn · Sep 3, 2015

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On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 09:45:30 -0400 DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> wrote in Message id:
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On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 08:14:54 -0400, JW <none@dev.null> Gave us:

On Wed, 02 Sep 2015 08:31:21 -0400 DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> wrote in Message id:
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On Wed, 02 Sep 2015 07:14:33 -0400, JW <none@dev.null> Gave us:

On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 09:44:53 -0400 DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> wrote in Message id:
kt16ua9nqocet50233on2efa3lrmif97s6@4ax.com>:

Just got my new cage

Is there a padlock on it? (hoping)

Post is again back faggot JW morphing back.

Bu ybbx! Gur cbfg zbecuvat snttbg WJ vf fgvyy chyyvat uvf vzzngher
cbfg zbecuvat onol ohyyfuvg. Avpr gel, puhzc.

Someone padlocks full pummel your with sock should a skull sock of .

Fbzrbar fubhyq chzzry lbhe fxhyy jvgu n fbpx shyy bs cnqybpxf.

Eh? Try making some sense for once, AngryMan.

Cbfg zbecuvat vzzngher chaxf yvxr lbh jvyy arire tebj hc.

I don't see this as an improvement. Oh, wait...

The actual post.

Retard JW strikes again.. Grow up, child.

quote:
On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 08:14:54 -0400, JW <none@dev.null> Gave us:

On Wed, 02 Sep 2015 08:31:21 -0400 DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> wrote in Message id:
utqduahbpmu9pd182902u0dek6f1j489sq@4ax.com>:

On Wed, 02 Sep 2015 07:14:33 -0400, JW <none@dev.null> Gave us:

On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 09:44:53 -0400 DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> wrote in Message id:
kt16ua9nqocet50233on2efa3lrmif97s6@4ax.com>:

Just got my new cage

Is there a padlock on it? (hoping)

Post is again back faggot JW morphing back.

Oh look! The post morphing faggot JW is still pulling his immature
post morphing baby bullshit. Nice try, chump.

Someone padlocks full pummel your with sock should a skull sock of .

Someone should pummel your skull with a sock full of padlocks.

Eh? Try making some sense for once, AngryMan.

Post morphing immature punks like you will never grow up.

end quote.

DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUn · Sep 3, 2015

On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 07:38:34 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> Gave us:

An unfed troll gathers no podium.

...Jim Thompson

A "troll" declaring total retard shows his colors by so often showing
his utter stupidity with basic worldly goods.

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