OT: Win7 Make Desktop Classic ???

John Larkin · Aug 30, 2015

On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 09:46:49 -0400, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
<DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> wrote:

On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 21:36:05 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> Gave us:

On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 22:26:36 -0400, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> wrote:

On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 17:04:06 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> Gave us:

I designed this, and did the PCB layout, in a weekend.

Something tells me that you used a lot of previously laid out
segments.

No. This one was new, schematic and layout. It worked first time.

It wasn't over a weekend. You lie.

No lie. There aren't many parts, so the schamatic took an hour to
design (more to enter into PADS) and the layout was pretty obvious.
The minutes-per-part factor is pretty low on a board this simple; do
the math.

It was one of those rare projects when everything just flows.

Oh, and you did the layout in a weekend.... maybe. But you didn't
start from concept and get art done in a single weekend.

But I did. I didn't Gerber it; The Brat does that part.

The gerber is part of "doing layout". You lose.. Your claim is false.

No, Gerbering doesn't move any parts or traces; it just makes the
Gerber files from the layout. At our place, "Gerbering" also involves
formally releasing the fab and assembly and BOM files, which are all
derived directly from the layout, the part that I did; that's a
routine process, so I can delegate that. I don't etch or assemble the
boards, either.

Whenever you say "you lose" it means that you are Always Wrong again.

John Larkin · Aug 30, 2015

On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 09:39:55 -0400, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
<DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> wrote:

On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 21:30:23 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> Gave us:

Absolutely. We have engineers, assemblers, programmers, PC layout,
purchasing, shipping/receiving, business people. They do lots of
things better than I can. It's more fun that way.

Yet, YOU came in here to ask how to do a multiple machine drive
cloning exercise.

Why not ask other people what's the best way to do things? I want to
understand the options and use the best one. Our IT guy seemed a
little vague on what he would do.

It should be OK. We'll drop off a terabyte USB drive as a reference
image, which is one thing I wanted.

John Larkin · Aug 30, 2015

On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 19:15:33 +1000, Sylvia Else
<sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote:

On 30/08/2015 5:06 AM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno wrote:
On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 11:27:43 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> Gave us:

OK... The important part... how do I make Win7 the desktop look like
it did in WinXP ?:-}

...Jim Thompson

It is unimportant because the power of modern computers negates the
old "it slows down your system" crap that used to get spewed.

One turns off these "features" not so much because they're slow, but
because they're annoying.

Sylvia.

Microsoft keeps trying to be Apple, and does it badly, and I for one
am not an Apple person. Apple's mandate was to bring computing to
artistic types, which few engineers are.

DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUn · Aug 30, 2015

On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 16:22:51 +0100, Pomegranate Bastard
<pommyB@dsl.pipex.com> Gave us:

>In your dreams

Nice try, faggot little bitch.

DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUn · Aug 30, 2015

On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 08:26:50 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> Gave us:

No, Gerbering doesn't move any parts or traces; it just makes the
Gerber files from the layout.

It IS part of the development and yes, also part of a complete layout.

DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUn · Aug 30, 2015

On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 08:29:45 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> Gave us:

Our IT guy seemed a
little vague on what he would do.

With an idiot like you doing the hiring, I have no doubts.

DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUn · Aug 30, 2015

On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 08:40:23 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> Gave us:

Apple's mandate was to bring computing to
artistic types, which few engineers are.

No, it wasn't, idiot.

And ANY good engineer is *very* artistic in nature, dipshit.

John Larkin · Aug 30, 2015

On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 12:06:26 -0400, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
<DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> wrote:

On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 08:26:50 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> Gave us:

No, Gerbering doesn't move any parts or traces; it just makes the
Gerber files from the layout.

It IS part of the development and yes, also part of a complete layout.

No parts or traces are moved in that process; it's routine, so I don't
need to do it. Play your word games; I'll keep designing electronics.

John Larkin · Aug 30, 2015

On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 12:07:24 -0400, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
<DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> wrote:

On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 08:29:45 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> Gave us:

Our IT guy seemed a
little vague on what he would do.

With an idiot like you doing the hiring, I have no doubts.

I didn't hire him; other people did. They are forcing me to upgrade
from my slow but bulletproof HP machines, part of a bit IT makeover at
our place. My job is to keep designing products to sell, not to mess
around with the guts of databases and firewalls and PCs.

He's done a pretty good job, but I wanted to understand the process
and make sure I wound up with what I wanted. Discussing things with
people here was helpful. Learning is always helpful.

John Larkin · Aug 31, 2015

On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 12:10:19 -0400, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
<DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> wrote:

On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 08:40:23 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> Gave us:

Apple's mandate was to bring computing to
artistic types, which few engineers are.

No, it wasn't, idiot.

And ANY good engineer is *very* artistic in nature, dipshit.

More often austitic than artistic.

Few artists have any technical skills. I've seen *so* much terrible
welding.

Jim Thompson · Aug 31, 2015

On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 11:27:43 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

OK... The important part... how do I make Win7 the desktop look like
it did in WinXP ?:-}

...Jim Thompson

legg · Aug 31, 2015

On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 12:10:32 -0700, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com>
wrote:

On 2015-08-29 12:03 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 11:27:43 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

OK... The important part... how do I make Win7 the desktop look like
it did in WinXP ?:-}

...Jim Thompson

Win7 lets you select a classic desktop, get rid of the hideous Aero
look, and de-consolidate the thingies in the tray at the bottom.

Then install Classic Shell to fix Explorer windows.

I didn't have to install anything for that. Forgot how I exactly did it
but I think it was like this:

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-desktop/how-to-change-the-display-setting-to-windows/b2bfa391-79d0-4051-a843-ff099f05757d

The whole PC now looks like an NT era computer which is just what I
wanted. Of course, assuming Jim has 64-bit Win 7 Pro like I do he'll run
into all sorts of other nasty issues soon. Software not working right
anymore, weird lockups, and so on. Windows has been greatly dumbed down :-(

The W7proSP1 system also seems to have a strange relationship to
removable media. It can, all on its own, take an extreme exception to
usb flash and hard drives, which may, or may not, clear up on its own
despite or in spite of any of the silly tricks offered on the web.

The instalation here has proven itself incapable of doing the simplest
formatting on usb media, something that has been competently handled
as far back as W2Ksp4.

Go figure.

There's something going on with drive identities and even file types
that is not openly apparent - perhaps having to do with digital rights
management and common file formats used in the entertainment and
consumer comm industries.

....and they're already pushing hard for W10, which seems to require a
surrender of basic user controls.

RL

legg · Aug 31, 2015

On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 18:21:04 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 12:58:09 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

My old 16-bit apps don't work, no great loss.

"Install and use Windows XP Mode in Windows 7"
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows7/install-and-use-windows-xp-mode-in-windows-7
There are other Virtual Machines available that methinks are better.
I'm partial to Virtual Box from Oracle:
https://www.virtualbox.org
and have VM's installed for SCO OSR5, Win 3.1, and OS/2 (for reading
one lousy Mercedes Benz shop manual).

I also run old DOS programs under DOSbox:
http://www.dosbox.com
However, I recommend one of the spinoff versions instead:
http://ykhwong.x-y.net
You can install both on the same machine, but it didn't take long for
me to get totally confused. I'm also having problems printing on
64bit machines via DOSbox, but haven't had time to troubleshoot.

I'd be more interested in a VM that could run dll-hell type early SW
and HW.
WXP was the first MS OS that was dedicated to obsoleting 'non
compliant' hardware and software, removing the responsibility from MS
to clean up their act or to concentrate on the operating system,
instead of crowding out independent application development.

RL

legg · Aug 31, 2015

On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 08:40:23 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 19:15:33 +1000, Sylvia Else
sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote:

On 30/08/2015 5:06 AM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno wrote:
On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 11:27:43 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> Gave us:

OK... The important part... how do I make Win7 the desktop look like
it did in WinXP ?:-}

...Jim Thompson

It is unimportant because the power of modern computers negates the
old "it slows down your system" crap that used to get spewed.

One turns off these "features" not so much because they're slow, but
because they're annoying.

Sylvia.

Microsoft keeps trying to be Apple, and does it badly, and I for one
am not an Apple person. Apple's mandate was to bring computing to
artistic types, which few engineers are.

Have you seen what they've done to Skype? Absolutely nuts.

RL

M Philbrook · Aug 31, 2015

In article <qln6ualu859e4sff4vkcjtadjt19ukuakn@4ax.com>,
legg@nospam.magma.ca says...

On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 08:40:23 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 19:15:33 +1000, Sylvia Else
sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote:

On 30/08/2015 5:06 AM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno wrote:
On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 11:27:43 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> Gave us:

OK... The important part... how do I make Win7 the desktop look like
it did in WinXP ?:-}

...Jim Thompson

It is unimportant because the power of modern computers negates the
old "it slows down your system" crap that used to get spewed.

One turns off these "features" not so much because they're slow, but
because they're annoying.

Sylvia.

Microsoft keeps trying to be Apple, and does it badly, and I for one
am not an Apple person. Apple's mandate was to bring computing to
artistic types, which few engineers are.

Have you seen what they've done to Skype? Absolutely nuts.

RL

Whats that, peekaboo software?

I don't know how true it is but i've been hearing stories about
WIn10 being full of peekaboo software!

Jamie

DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUn · Aug 31, 2015

On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 10:31:14 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> Gave us:

On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 12:07:24 -0400, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> wrote:

On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 08:29:45 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> Gave us:

Our IT guy seemed a
little vague on what he would do.

With an idiot like you doing the hiring, I have no doubts.

I didn't hire him; other people did. They are forcing me to upgrade
from my slow but bulletproof HP machines, part of a bit IT makeover at
our place. My job is to keep designing products to sell, not to mess
around with the guts of databases and firewalls and PCs.

He's done a pretty good job, but I wanted to understand the process
and make sure I wound up with what I wanted. Discussing things with
people here was helpful. Learning is always helpful.

You should try it some time.

Martin Riddle · Aug 31, 2015

On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 17:17:17 -0400, M Philbrook
<jamie_ka1lpa@charter.net> wrote:

In article <qln6ualu859e4sff4vkcjtadjt19ukuakn@4ax.com>,
legg@nospam.magma.ca says...

On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 08:40:23 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 19:15:33 +1000, Sylvia Else
sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote:

On 30/08/2015 5:06 AM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno wrote:
On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 11:27:43 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> Gave us:

OK... The important part... how do I make Win7 the desktop look like
it did in WinXP ?:-}

...Jim Thompson

It is unimportant because the power of modern computers negates the
old "it slows down your system" crap that used to get spewed.

One turns off these "features" not so much because they're slow, but
because they're annoying.

Sylvia.

Microsoft keeps trying to be Apple, and does it badly, and I for one
am not an Apple person. Apple's mandate was to bring computing to
artistic types, which few engineers are.

Have you seen what they've done to Skype? Absolutely nuts.

RL

Whats that, peekaboo software?

I don't know how true it is but i've been hearing stories about
WIn10 being full of peekaboo software!

Jamie

Yep Window Telemtry.

These are the so called update with the so called telemetry services.
Copy and past into a bat file

rem
https://www.yahoo.com/tech/s/not-just-windows-10-windows-7-8-tracking-162550762.html
rem According to the report, Microsoft bypasses
rem any edited instructions in the Hosts file
rem and exchanges data with vortex-win.data.microsoft.com
rem and settings-win.data.microsoft.com, possibly among others
wusa /uninstall /kb:3068708 /quiet /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3022345 /quiet /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3075249 /quiet /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3080149 /quiet /norestart

Cheers

Jim Thompson · Aug 31, 2015

On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 19:05:43 -0400, Martin Riddle
<martin_rid@verizon.net> wrote:

On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 17:17:17 -0400, M Philbrook
jamie_ka1lpa@charter.net> wrote:

[snip]

I don't know how true it is but i've been hearing stories about
WIn10 being full of peekaboo software!

Jamie

Yep Window Telemtry.

These are the so called update with the so called telemetry services.
Copy and past into a bat file

rem
https://www.yahoo.com/tech/s/not-just-windows-10-windows-7-8-tracking-162550762.html
rem According to the report, Microsoft bypasses
rem any edited instructions in the Hosts file
rem and exchanges data with vortex-win.data.microsoft.com
rem and settings-win.data.microsoft.com, possibly among others
wusa /uninstall /kb:3068708 /quiet /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3022345 /quiet /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3075249 /quiet /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3080149 /quiet /norestart

Cheers

Jim Thompson · Aug 31, 2015

On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 19:05:43 -0400, Martin Riddle
<martin_rid@verizon.net> wrote:

On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 17:17:17 -0400, M Philbrook
jamie_ka1lpa@charter.net> wrote:

In article <qln6ualu859e4sff4vkcjtadjt19ukuakn@4ax.com>,
legg@nospam.magma.ca says...

On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 08:40:23 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 19:15:33 +1000, Sylvia Else
sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote:

On 30/08/2015 5:06 AM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno wrote:
On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 11:27:43 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> Gave us:

OK... The important part... how do I make Win7 the desktop look like
it did in WinXP ?:-}

...Jim Thompson

It is unimportant because the power of modern computers negates the
old "it slows down your system" crap that used to get spewed.

One turns off these "features" not so much because they're slow, but
because they're annoying.

Sylvia.

Microsoft keeps trying to be Apple, and does it badly, and I for one
am not an Apple person. Apple's mandate was to bring computing to
artistic types, which few engineers are.

Have you seen what they've done to Skype? Absolutely nuts.

RL

Whats that, peekaboo software?

I don't know how true it is but i've been hearing stories about
WIn10 being full of peekaboo software!

Jamie

Yep Window Telemtry.

These are the so called update with the so called telemetry services.
Copy and past into a bat file

rem
https://www.yahoo.com/tech/s/not-just-windows-10-windows-7-8-tracking-162550762.html
rem According to the report, Microsoft bypasses
rem any edited instructions in the Hosts file
rem and exchanges data with vortex-win.data.microsoft.com
rem and settings-win.data.microsoft.com, possibly among others
wusa /uninstall /kb:3068708 /quiet /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3022345 /quiet /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3075249 /quiet /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3080149 /quiet /norestart

Cheers

Jim Thompson · Aug 31, 2015

On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 19:05:43 -0400, Martin Riddle
<martin_rid@verizon.net> wrote:

On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 17:17:17 -0400, M Philbrook
jamie_ka1lpa@charter.net> wrote:

In article <qln6ualu859e4sff4vkcjtadjt19ukuakn@4ax.com>,
legg@nospam.magma.ca says...

On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 08:40:23 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 19:15:33 +1000, Sylvia Else
sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote:

On 30/08/2015 5:06 AM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno wrote:
On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 11:27:43 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> Gave us:

OK... The important part... how do I make Win7 the desktop look like
it did in WinXP ?:-}

...Jim Thompson

It is unimportant because the power of modern computers negates the
old "it slows down your system" crap that used to get spewed.

One turns off these "features" not so much because they're slow, but
because they're annoying.

Sylvia.

Microsoft keeps trying to be Apple, and does it badly, and I for one
am not an Apple person. Apple's mandate was to bring computing to
artistic types, which few engineers are.

Have you seen what they've done to Skype? Absolutely nuts.

RL

Whats that, peekaboo software?

I don't know how true it is but i've been hearing stories about
WIn10 being full of peekaboo software!

Jamie

Yep Window Telemtry.

These are the so called update with the so called telemetry services.
Copy and past into a bat file

rem
https://www.yahoo.com/tech/s/not-just-windows-10-windows-7-8-tracking-162550762.html
rem According to the report, Microsoft bypasses
rem any edited instructions in the Hosts file
rem and exchanges data with vortex-win.data.microsoft.com
rem and settings-win.data.microsoft.com, possibly among others
wusa /uninstall /kb:3068708 /quiet /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3022345 /quiet /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3075249 /quiet /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3080149 /quiet /norestart

Cheers

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