OT: Win7 Make Desktop Classic ???

Jim Thompson · Aug 30, 2015

OK... The important part... how do I make Win7 the desktop look like
it did in WinXP ?:-}

...Jim Thompson
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Lasse Langwadt Christense · Aug 30, 2015

Den lřrdag den 29. august 2015 kl. 20.27.48 UTC+2 skrev Jim Thompson:

OK... The important part... how do I make Win7 the desktop look like
it did in WinXP ?:-}

https://youtu.be/GHnWy1ZfmXE ?

-Lasse

Lasse Langwadt Christense · Aug 30, 2015

Den lřrdag den 29. august 2015 kl. 21.10.30 UTC+2 skrev Jim Thompson:

On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 11:38:26 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

Den lřrdag den 29. august 2015 kl. 20.27.48 UTC+2 skrev Jim Thompson:
OK... The important part... how do I make Win7 the desktop look like
it did in WinXP ?:-}

https://youtu.be/GHnWy1ZfmXE ?

-Lasse

Do you realize what that kind of music does to your brain ?:-}

I didn't have sound on, but I'm sure it is nothing that a bit of
heavy metal won't fix

-Lasse

John Larkin · Aug 30, 2015

On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 11:27:43 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

OK... The important part... how do I make Win7 the desktop look like
it did in WinXP ?:-}

...Jim Thompson

Win7 lets you select a classic desktop, get rid of the hideous Aero
look, and de-consolidate the thingies in the tray at the bottom.

Then install Classic Shell to fix Explorer windows.

Jeff Liebermann · Aug 30, 2015

On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 11:27:43 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

OK... The important part... how do I make Win7 the desktop look like
it did in WinXP ?:-}
...Jim Thompson

Go to your Windoze XP machine.
Hit the [PrtScr] key. Nothing will happen.
Open the Paint program.
Hit <ctrl>V to paste the screen print into Paint.
Save the image as a JPG.
Copy the JPG to a flash drive.
Copy the JPG image from the flash drive to your Win 7 machine.
Set the desktop wallpaper to the imported JPG.
Your Windoze 7 desktop should look *exactly* like your XP desktop.

Or, you could borrow mine to impress your friends and clients:
<http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/crud/desktop.jpg>
The idea is to make yourself look busy while intimidating anyone that
tries to borrow your machine. (Note: Doesn't work on kids).

If all else fails, install Classic Shell:
<http://www.classicshell.net>
and try these skins:
<http://www.classicshell.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=3131>
There are some revisions to the original posting, so please scroll
down the page.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUn · Aug 30, 2015

On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 11:27:43 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> Gave us:

OK... The important part... how do I make Win7 the desktop look like
it did in WinXP ?:-}

...Jim Thompson

It is unimportant because the power of modern computers negates the
old "it slows down your system" crap that used to get spewed.

Jim Thompson · Aug 30, 2015

On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 11:38:26 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
<langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

Den lřrdag den 29. august 2015 kl. 20.27.48 UTC+2 skrev Jim Thompson:
OK... The important part... how do I make Win7 the desktop look like
it did in WinXP ?:-}

https://youtu.be/GHnWy1ZfmXE ?

-Lasse

Do you realize what that kind of music does to your brain ?:-}

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson | mens |
| Analog Innovations | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| San Tan Valley, AZ 85142 Skype: skypeanalog | |
| Voice

Joerg · Aug 30, 2015

On 2015-08-29 12:03 PM, John Larkin wrote:

On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 11:27:43 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

OK... The important part... how do I make Win7 the desktop look like
it did in WinXP ?:-}

...Jim Thompson

Win7 lets you select a classic desktop, get rid of the hideous Aero
look, and de-consolidate the thingies in the tray at the bottom.

Then install Classic Shell to fix Explorer windows.

I didn't have to install anything for that. Forgot how I exactly did it
but I think it was like this:

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-desktop/how-to-change-the-display-setting-to-windows/b2bfa391-79d0-4051-a843-ff099f05757d

The whole PC now looks like an NT era computer which is just what I
wanted. Of course, assuming Jim has 64-bit Win 7 Pro like I do he'll run
into all sorts of other nasty issues soon. Software not working right
anymore, weird lockups, and so on. Windows has been greatly dumbed down :-(

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

Jim Thompson · Aug 30, 2015

On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 12:10:32 -0700, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com>
wrote:

On 2015-08-29 12:03 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 11:27:43 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

OK... The important part... how do I make Win7 the desktop look like
it did in WinXP ?:-}

...Jim Thompson

Win7 lets you select a classic desktop, get rid of the hideous Aero
look, and de-consolidate the thingies in the tray at the bottom.

Then install Classic Shell to fix Explorer windows.

I didn't have to install anything for that. Forgot how I exactly did it
but I think it was like this:

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-desktop/how-to-change-the-display-setting-to-windows/b2bfa391-79d0-4051-a843-ff099f05757d

The whole PC now looks like an NT era computer which is just what I
wanted. Of course, assuming Jim has 64-bit Win 7 Pro like I do he'll run
into all sorts of other nasty issues soon. Software not working right
anymore, weird lockups, and so on. Windows has been greatly dumbed down :-(

Jim Thompson · Aug 30, 2015

On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 12:05:32 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 11:27:43 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

OK... The important part... how do I make Win7 the desktop look like
it did in WinXP ?:-}
...Jim Thompson

Go to your Windoze XP machine.
Hit the [PrtScr] key. Nothing will happen.
Open the Paint program.
Hit <ctrl>V to paste the screen print into Paint.
Save the image as a JPG.
Copy the JPG to a flash drive.
Copy the JPG image from the flash drive to your Win 7 machine.
Set the desktop wallpaper to the imported JPG.
Your Windoze 7 desktop should look *exactly* like your XP desktop.

Or, you could borrow mine to impress your friends and clients:
http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/crud/desktop.jpg
The idea is to make yourself look busy while intimidating anyone that
tries to borrow your machine.

(Note: Doesn't work on kids).

Or grandkids... they drive me nuts with all their "smart" phone
razz-ma-tazz ;-)

If all else fails, install Classic Shell:
http://www.classicshell.net
and try these skins:
http://www.classicshell.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=3131
There are some revisions to the original posting, so please scroll
down the page.

John Larkin · Aug 30, 2015

On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 12:10:32 -0700, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com>
wrote:

On 2015-08-29 12:03 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 11:27:43 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

OK... The important part... how do I make Win7 the desktop look like
it did in WinXP ?:-}

...Jim Thompson

Win7 lets you select a classic desktop, get rid of the hideous Aero
look, and de-consolidate the thingies in the tray at the bottom.

Then install Classic Shell to fix Explorer windows.

I didn't have to install anything for that. Forgot how I exactly did it
but I think it was like this:

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-desktop/how-to-change-the-display-setting-to-windows/b2bfa391-79d0-4051-a843-ff099f05757d

The whole PC now looks like an NT era computer which is just what I
wanted. Of course, assuming Jim has 64-bit Win 7 Pro like I do he'll run
into all sorts of other nasty issues soon. Software not working right
anymore, weird lockups, and so on. Windows has been greatly dumbed down :-(

I just converted to a new Dell with W7Pro, and it took about a week to
get everything installed and tweaked, looking like XP, but it worked
OK. My old 16-bit apps don't work, no great loss. The new Word with
the command ribbons takes some getting used to, but it's not really
bad.

LT Spice is about 5x faster than on my old HPs. I now have a huge
screen, which is cool. The new PADS is good. Lots of ram and terabytes
of hdd.

Classic Shell makes Explorer windows much nicer, and restores the
uparrow icon, next directory up, and kills the annoying breadcrums.

Now we're going to clone the drives to two other, identical machines,
for working at home and in the cabin.

How's the weather down there? It was hot in Truckee, but has suddenly
cooled off. Might rain, feels like. I'm up here with a dozen speech
pathologists, for Speech Week, and they are noisy. I'm working with
ear plugs.

They have to do seminars and get CEU credits, to stay certified.
Engineers don't have to do anything, even have a degree, as long as
you don't want to be a PE.

John Larkin · Aug 30, 2015

On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 12:05:32 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 11:27:43 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

OK... The important part... how do I make Win7 the desktop look like
it did in WinXP ?:-}
...Jim Thompson

Go to your Windoze XP machine.
Hit the [PrtScr] key. Nothing will happen.
Open the Paint program.
Hit <ctrl>V to paste the screen print into Paint.
Save the image as a JPG.
Copy the JPG to a flash drive.
Copy the JPG image from the flash drive to your Win 7 machine.
Set the desktop wallpaper to the imported JPG.
Your Windoze 7 desktop should look *exactly* like your XP desktop.

Or, you could borrow mine to impress your friends and clients:
http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/crud/desktop.jpg
The idea is to make yourself look busy while intimidating anyone that
tries to borrow your machine. (Note: Doesn't work on kids).

Why bother to organize files and folders and projects, when you can
have everything in your PC on one screen?

If all else fails, install Classic Shell:
http://www.classicshell.net
and try these skins:
http://www.classicshell.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=3131
There are some revisions to the original posting, so please scroll
down the page.

I installed CS and found the default setting to be pretty good. Minor
tweaks are then easy.

Joerg · Aug 30, 2015

On 2015-08-29 12:58 PM, John Larkin wrote:

On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 12:10:32 -0700, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com
wrote:

On 2015-08-29 12:03 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 11:27:43 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

OK... The important part... how do I make Win7 the desktop look like
it did in WinXP ?:-}

...Jim Thompson

Win7 lets you select a classic desktop, get rid of the hideous Aero
look, and de-consolidate the thingies in the tray at the bottom.

Then install Classic Shell to fix Explorer windows.

I didn't have to install anything for that. Forgot how I exactly did it
but I think it was like this:

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-desktop/how-to-change-the-display-setting-to-windows/b2bfa391-79d0-4051-a843-ff099f05757d

The whole PC now looks like an NT era computer which is just what I
wanted. Of course, assuming Jim has 64-bit Win 7 Pro like I do he'll run
into all sorts of other nasty issues soon. Software not working right
anymore, weird lockups, and so on. Windows has been greatly dumbed down :-(

I just converted to a new Dell with W7Pro, and it took about a week to
get everything installed and tweaked, looking like XP, but it worked
OK. ...

Same here while that same job took only half a day on the XP machines.

... My old 16-bit apps don't work, no great loss. The new Word with
the command ribbons takes some getting used to, but it's not really
bad.

I must use some legacy programs so XP is here to stay. Last know good OS
for me.

LT Spice is about 5x faster than on my old HPs. I now have a huge
screen, which is cool. The new PADS is good. Lots of ram and terabytes
of hdd.

I bought the i7 processor machine mainly for LTSpice. It only came with
Windows 7 and I never imagined Windows 7 is such a pain. Dell also gave
a Windows 8.1 license with it but that DVD is at the most useful as a
beer coaster.

Classic Shell makes Explorer windows much nicer, and restores the
uparrow icon, next directory up, and kills the annoying breadcrums.

Now we're going to clone the drives to two other, identical machines,
for working at home and in the cabin.

How's the weather down there? It was hot in Truckee, but has suddenly
cooled off. Might rain, feels like. I'm up here with a dozen speech
pathologists, for Speech Week, and they are noisy. I'm working with
ear plugs.

It's hot and humid. Yesterday it was almost extreme, during 15mi mostly
uphill on my mountain bike I went through more than a gallon of water.

They have to do seminars and get CEU credits, to stay certified.
Engineers don't have to do anything, even have a degree, as long as
you don't want to be a PE.

Well, we engineers educate ourselves with stuff we know we need. Not
where some bureaucrat assigned credits and decides. I absolutely do not
like such formal CEU stuff.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUn · Aug 30, 2015

On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 12:10:23 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> Gave us:

On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 11:38:26 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

Den lřrdag den 29. august 2015 kl. 20.27.48 UTC+2 skrev Jim Thompson:
OK... The important part... how do I make Win7 the desktop look like
it did in WinXP ?:-}

https://youtu.be/GHnWy1ZfmXE ?

-Lasse

Do you realize what that kind of music does to your brain ?:-}

...Jim Thompson

The thing is that you do NOT realize what that kind of mental baby
bullshit has done to yours. You're worse than Donald Trump.

DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUn · Aug 30, 2015

On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 12:58:09 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> Gave us:

I just converted to a new Dell with W7Pro, and it took about a week to
get everything installed and tweaked, looking like XP

You sit and do this retarded crap, but piss and moan about some simple
drive clonings and the time involved.
"I have to design electronics.."

Yeah, with how long you spend doing the simple shit, I'll bet a five
hour circuit characterization takes you 5 weeks.

You are a true idiot.

Jim Thompson · Aug 30, 2015

On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 12:05:32 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 11:27:43 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

OK... The important part... how do I make Win7 the desktop look like
it did in WinXP ?:-}
...Jim Thompson

Go to your Windoze XP machine.
Hit the [PrtScr] key. Nothing will happen.
Open the Paint program.
Hit <ctrl>V to paste the screen print into Paint.
Save the image as a JPG.
Copy the JPG to a flash drive.
Copy the JPG image from the flash drive to your Win 7 machine.
Set the desktop wallpaper to the imported JPG.
Your Windoze 7 desktop should look *exactly* like your XP desktop.

Or, you could borrow mine to impress your friends and clients:
http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/crud/desktop.jpg
The idea is to make yourself look busy while intimidating anyone that
tries to borrow your machine. (Note: Doesn't work on kids).

If all else fails, install Classic Shell:
http://www.classicshell.net
and try these skins:
http://www.classicshell.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=3131
There are some revisions to the original posting, so please scroll
down the page.

John Larkin · Aug 30, 2015

On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 18:02:33 -0400, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
<DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> wrote:

On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 12:58:09 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> Gave us:

I just converted to a new Dell with W7Pro, and it took about a week to
get everything installed and tweaked, looking like XP

You sit and do this retarded crap, but piss and moan about some simple
drive clonings and the time involved.
"I have to design electronics.."

Why would I do routine PC stuff when I can hire someone to do it for
me? There's nothing interesting about cloning hard drives. I don't
vacuum the carpets, either.

Yeah, with how long you spend doing the simple shit, I'll bet a five
hour circuit characterization takes you 5 weeks.

I designed this, and did the PCB layout, in a weekend.

http://www.highlandtechnology.com/DSS/T165DS.shtml

We are selling a lot of them. We can't do market research or focus
groups or any of that nonsense, which really doesn't work anyhow, so
we design lots of products fast and trust that some of them will sell.

You are a true idiot.

Sometimes I think you just have a permanent bad attitude. And you
deserve it.

Martin Riddle · Aug 30, 2015

On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 15:34:41 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 12:05:32 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com
wrote:

On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 11:27:43 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

OK... The important part... how do I make Win7 the desktop look like
it did in WinXP ?:-}
...Jim Thompson

Go to your Windoze XP machine.
Hit the [PrtScr] key. Nothing will happen.
Open the Paint program.
Hit <ctrl>V to paste the screen print into Paint.
Save the image as a JPG.
Copy the JPG to a flash drive.
Copy the JPG image from the flash drive to your Win 7 machine.
Set the desktop wallpaper to the imported JPG.
Your Windoze 7 desktop should look *exactly* like your XP desktop.

Or, you could borrow mine to impress your friends and clients:
http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/crud/desktop.jpg
The idea is to make yourself look busy while intimidating anyone that
tries to borrow your machine. (Note: Doesn't work on kids).

If all else fails, install Classic Shell:
http://www.classicshell.net
and try these skins:
http://www.classicshell.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=3131
There are some revisions to the original posting, so please scroll
down the page.

Is there a TweakUI for Win7 ?

...Jim Thompson

Theres Ultimate windows tweaker, I have not used it.
And there are some SysInternals apps that maybe usefull, like the
multiple desktops
app.<https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/cc817881>
Win 10 now has multiple desktops too.
BTW, other than the latest Catalyst ATI drivers crashing my system,
Win7 can run for days with out a hicupp.

Cheers

Jeff Liebermann · Aug 30, 2015

On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 13:09:19 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 12:05:32 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com
Or, you could borrow mine to impress your friends and clients:
http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/crud/desktop.jpg
The idea is to make yourself look busy while intimidating anyone that
tries to borrow your machine. (Note: Doesn't work on kids).

Why bother to organize files and folders and projects, when you can
have everything in your PC on one screen?

Clutter has its uses. For example, when I run out of space for
additional icons, I just buy a bigger monitor. However, I'm at 24"
diagonal and 1920x1200 dots, so I just added a 2nd video card and a
2nd monitor. Most of the folders and icons on the screen are current
work projects or things to do. I get bored easily so a wide selection
of projects is very useful.

It's actually not as bad as it looks. The trick to using it is to
find the proper icon quickly. Locating the icon by position doesn't
work because I like to re-arrange the clutter by icon type, which
moves things around. Adding programs also shuffles the deck. So, I
use a program called Everything:
<http://www.voidtools.com>
Type a partial name, and it very quickly lists all the files with
similar names. For searching within documents, Agent Ransack:
<https://www.mythicsoft.com/agentransack>

If all else fails, install Classic Shell:
http://www.classicshell.net
and try these skins:
http://www.classicshell.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=3131
There are some revisions to the original posting, so please scroll
down the page.

I installed CS and found the default setting to be pretty good. Minor
tweaks are then easy.

Agreed. I normally use the default settings. For me, the main
benefit is the total elimination of the screen of irritating wiggly
icons that Microsoft proclaims to be an improved desktop. If I wanted
a tablet, I would have bought a tablet. I consider a desktop that
doesn't constantly try to get my attention with irrelevant
notifications a necessity.

I couldn't resist experimenting and tweaking. So, I have some rather
bizarre schemes and settings saved. I just tried the above "XP
Classic Retro" skin. It's not perfect, but vedry close to XP and
worth trying.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Jeff Liebermann · Aug 30, 2015

On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 15:34:41 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

Is there a TweakUI for Win7 ?
...Jim Thompson

Not from Microsoft. The closest approximation is the Windoze 7 "God
Mode" which allows mere mortals to perform feats of incredible daring
to the registry, without so much as a backup or recovery feature.
<http://blog.chron.com//techblog/2010/01/tweakfest-enable-god-mode-in-windows-7/>
I don't find it particularly useful and quite dangerous if I haven't
first done my homework and backups. I guess I should mention that I
do quite a bit of damage control (paying) work recovering machines
from the effects of such system utilities. In general, they're
usually quite useful if they were the only such utility on the
machine. Things get very messy when one installed competing and
overlapping utilities. As a rule of thumb, don't install anything
that runs continuously in the background.

Five Best Windows 7 Tweaking Applications:
<http://lifehacker.com/5508522/five-best-windows-7-tweaking-applications>

If you feel the need to destroy your new computer, I suggest:
<http://www.thewindowsclub.com/ultimate-windows-tweaker-v2-a-tweak-ui-for-windows-7-vista>
which looks like it will do much of what TweakUI did in Windoze XP.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

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