OT: USB Computer-to-Computer

"Carl D. Smith" <cdsmith69NOSPAM@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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On Sat, 14 May 2005 22:13:28 -0400, "Oppie"
oppie@-nospam-cloud9.net> wrote:

USB type A to Type A

http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info.asp?product_code=283437&pfp=ca
t3

This one is a real USB data transfer cable. It has a lump in the
middle with the necessary circuitry to transfer data between two
PCs.

But beware - at other places I have seen a straight USB-A to
USB-A cable. I have no idea what people use these for as you
can't just plug two computers together and expect anything to
work.
These cables are used with a USB hub.
 
"Sparky" wrote ...
"Carl D. Smith" wrote ...
But beware - at other places I have seen a straight USB-A to
USB-A cable. I have no idea what people use these for as you
can't just plug two computers together and expect anything to
work.

These cables are used with a USB hub.
No. Straight USB-A to USB-A cables (and USB-B to USB-B
cables) are technically "illegal" according to the USB spec.
See for yourself at the official website www.usb.org
http://www.usb.org/faq/ans5#q7
http://www.usb.org/faq/ans5#q8
 
"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 14 May 2005 18:38:15 -0700, Jim Thompson
thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

My father has an ancient Compaq Presario 1200-XL106 laptop, no
network
adapter.

He's overfilled his hard-drive with photographs of the grandchildren
;-)

Is there any way to connect him to my system via USB and transfer
files?

Thanks!

...Jim Thompson

It suddenly hit me this morning... indulge myself and buy a wireless
network. Use it to fix my dad's laptop, then install it in mine ;-)

Any brand recommendations?

...Jim Thompson
--
Linksys is owned by Cisco.
 
"Richard Crowley" <rcrowley7@xprt.net> wrote in message
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"Sparky" wrote ...
"Carl D. Smith" wrote ...
But beware - at other places I have seen a straight USB-A to
USB-A cable. I have no idea what people use these for as you
can't just plug two computers together and expect anything to
work.

These cables are used with a USB hub.

No. Straight USB-A to USB-A cables (and USB-B to USB-B
cables) are technically "illegal" according to the USB spec.
See for yourself at the official website www.usb.org
http://www.usb.org/faq/ans5#q7
http://www.usb.org/faq/ans5#q8
The USB A to A cable is an extension cable. It's typically used on a
jump drive or flash card reader. They have an A connector so they can
be directly plugged into the front of a PC. To move them to the table
top you need an extension.
 
"Watson A.Name wrote ...
"Richard Crowley" wrote ...

No. Straight USB-A to USB-A cables (and USB-B to USB-B
cables) are technically "illegal" according to the USB spec.
See for yourself at the official website www.usb.org
http://www.usb.org/faq/ans5#q7
http://www.usb.org/faq/ans5#q8

The USB A to A cable is an extension cable. It's typically used on a
jump drive or flash card reader. They have an A connector so they can
be directly plugged into the front of a PC. To move them to the table
top you need an extension.
"The USB 1.0 spec does not allow for an extension cable for USB
devices."
http://www.usb.org/developers/whitepapers/cablew~1.pdf
(Nor does the USB 2 spec, IIRC)
 
On Sun, 15 May 2005 14:55:35 +1000, Clifford Heath wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
My father has an ancient Compaq Presario 1200-XL106 laptop, no network
adapter.
He's overfilled his hard-drive with photographs of the grandchildren

Far easiest just to pull the drive and swap it into another laptop,
preferably one that can take two drives. Or get a portable USB-laptop
drive (under $20). You'll want one to cart data around on anyhow.
You don't even need to use another laptop. One of my coworkers came
into my office the other day with a laptop drive that he had bought
an IDE adapter for something like $1.99. We weren't sure which way
it was supposed to plug in; it wasn't keyed. The adapter has a flying
lead to the power connector. So, I tossed a coin, and it didn't work;
flipped the adapter around and it worked like a champ. Interestingly,
the flying lead turned out to come out the other side of the back of
the drive from where the connector is on a "standard" drive.

Cheers!
Rich
 
On Sat, 14 May 2005 22:32:05 -0700, Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark
Remover" wrote:

That's the first time I've seen someone obfuscate a URL. I can see
doing it to the email address, but why a URL? Especially Geosh!tties.
"Eschew Obfuscation" - graffito spotted above urinal in a bar in
beautiful downtown Kunsan, Korea. :)

Cheers!
Rich
 
Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover" wrote:

"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
news:u8se81tq9mmhj0q3kqpdslrlobmjb6o54j@4ax.com...

On Sat, 14 May 2005 18:38:15 -0700, Jim Thompson
thegreatone@example.com> wrote:


My father has an ancient Compaq Presario 1200-XL106 laptop, no

network

adapter.

He's overfilled his hard-drive with photographs of the grandchildren
;-)

Is there any way to connect him to my system via USB and transfer
files?

Thanks!

...Jim Thompson

It suddenly hit me this morning... indulge myself and buy a wireless
network. Use it to fix my dad's laptop, then install it in mine ;-)

Any brand recommendations?

...Jim Thompson
--


Linksys is owned by Cisco.


I went the Dlink when my Linksys went belly up, and the two hours spent
with Support in India finally resolved that "It's Broke..."

Charlie
 
On Mon, 16 May 2005 15:26:09 -0700, Charlie Edmondson
<edmondson@ieee.org> wrote:

Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover" wrote:

"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
news:u8se81tq9mmhj0q3kqpdslrlobmjb6o54j@4ax.com...

On Sat, 14 May 2005 18:38:15 -0700, Jim Thompson
thegreatone@example.com> wrote:


My father has an ancient Compaq Presario 1200-XL106 laptop, no

network

adapter.

He's overfilled his hard-drive with photographs of the grandchildren
;-)

Is there any way to connect him to my system via USB and transfer
files?
---
Basically, who gives a shit? And why do you find it necessary to ask
for help with familial matters which have very little meaning to the
rest of us?

Take care of your family business yourself, asshole.

It's like you think that your line matters more than ours and we
should all help your progeny with hints about how to get ahead of us
in the race.

Your granddaughter is so cute that we should kill our own beautiful
granddaugters to let her shine, alone?

Fuck you, pig shit.

--
John Fields
Professional Circuit Designer
 
On Sun, 15 May 2005 13:27:44 -0700, "Watson A.Name - \"Watt Sun,
the Dark Remover\"" <NOSPAM@dslextreme.com> wrote:

"Richard Crowley" <rcrowley7@xprt.net> wrote in message
news:118f80gi3ud6b1d@corp.supernews.com...
"Sparky" wrote ...
"Carl D. Smith" wrote ...
But beware - at other places I have seen a straight USB-A to
USB-A cable. I have no idea what people use these for as you
can't just plug two computers together and expect anything to
work.

These cables are used with a USB hub.

No. Straight USB-A to USB-A cables (and USB-B to USB-B
cables) are technically "illegal" according to the USB spec.
See for yourself at the official website www.usb.org
http://www.usb.org/faq/ans5#q7
http://www.usb.org/faq/ans5#q8

The USB A to A cable is an extension cable. It's typically used on a
jump drive or flash card reader. They have an A connector so they can
be directly plugged into the front of a PC. To move them to the table
top you need an extension.
In my "beware" I was referring to cables with USB-A plugs on both
ends, not an extension cable with USB-A plug on one end and a
USB-A socket on the other.

I still don't know what people do with them, since you can't plug
together two devices with USB-A ports and do anything but cause
trouble.
 
"Charlie Edmondson" <edmondson@ieee.org> wrote in message
news:42891e03@news.cadence.com...
I went the Dlink when my Linksys went belly up, and the two hours spent
with Support in India finally resolved that "It's Broke..."

Charlie
Then you will probably enjoy this:
(warning PG)
http://www.illwillpress.com/tech.html
I detest outsourced 'help' desks.
Oppie
 
On Tue, 17 May 2005 08:36:35 -0400, Oppie wrote:
"Charlie Edmondson" <edmondson@ieee.org> wrote in message
news:42891e03@news.cadence.com...
I went the Dlink when my Linksys went belly up, and the two hours spent
with Support in India finally resolved that "It's Broke..."

Charlie

Then you will probably enjoy this:
(warning PG)
http://www.illwillpress.com/tech.html I detest outsourced 'help' desks.
Oppie
Speaking of adventures in tech support:

The PHB came into my office yesterday, and said, "Shaunna forgot her
password. Can you get into the computer and dig it out?" I said,
"Probably not, but I have a live Linux CD here that I can boot and
just copy everything to another disk or to the network." He says,
"How long is that going to take, about a day?" (I'm thinking, "Wow,
that's almost a blank check!") I said, "Yeah, 'cause you have to do
each one by hand." So he brings in the computer, I turn it on, and
it wants a BIOS password - it won't even boot. It doesn't even get
out of POST. The PHB likes to set his BIOS password, so I asked him
to try some of the BIOS passwords he's used on other computers, but
no dice. Shaunna used to work here, but it's been some months, so
nobody has a clue what to do. He tries three of his passwords, and
the system locks up. "What happened?" "Oh, it probably does that
because you tried three times and didn't hit the password."

Oh, what to do, what to do? Then it dawned on me. Just pull the
drive and slap it in one of the other computers and copy everything.
Not a big deal. So I did that, spent about two hours copying over
all of her files except WINNT and temp and "temporary internet
files", because, well, you know.

So, I get everything all copied, go put the drive back in her 'pute,
all ready to format the drive and reinstall Windows.

Oops - it still wants a BIOS password.

But heck, I've been a computerist for many many years - I wonder if
resetting the CMOS will get rid of the password? So I pull the battery
jumper, let it sit for a few minutes, power it on, and it _STILL_ wants
a BIOS passowrd. Argh!

But, through some strange twist of fate, probably because it's an
old Intel MB, there's a sticker on the inside of the case with a
map of the motherboard and a legend pointing to the CMOS jumper,
with FOUR options, one of which is "RESET EVERYTHING". Pull the
jumper from 2-3, stick it on 1-2, and turn it on that way. It
gave me the option to clear the password! I had been about to come
to the NGs and ask if anybody'd ever gotten past a BIOS password,
but luckily, I read the instructions. :) So, I clear the BIOS
password, so the sucker will boot, and good ol' W2K comes right
up, asking for an administrator password. We tried several passwords,
and none of them seem to work. By this time, it's time to go home,
so he says, Well, let's start again in the morning.

The last thing I did was put the skins back on the box, hit the
power switch, and it beeped at me four times. "Oh, crap. Now what
have I done" But I didn't want to spend the night troubleshooting,
so I left it. First thing this morning, I come in and I say, "Boss,
the last thing I did last night was close up the case, and I must
have pinched a wire or knocked something loose, because suddenly it
wouldn't boot, just beep at me, which means hardware error." and he
says, "Huh? I came in and turned it on, and it's working fine." Except
for the forgotten password, of course.

So, just on a whim, I sit down and try the password 'josh' which
is Shaunna's current boyfriend's name. Voila! We're in, and as a
bonus, all of her data now is backed up.

And she's one of the ones who does all of her routine day-to-day
stuff as "Administrator." She doesn't even know about users. But
I didn't think it was my place to bring that little tidbit to
the PHB's attention, for a couple of reasons, not the least of
which is that the PHB is psychotic and would have blown up, (he
takes it personally when anyone volunteers any information that
wasn't his idea) and Shaunna is his ho on the side, who once ripped
me off $50 that I had fronted her for a baggie, and nobody around
here (except PHB and little PHB) can stand her. So screw 'em.

But I'm getting paid for four hours' work, so WTF? And the PHB
is happy, so he'll be off my back for awhile. :)

Cheers!
Rich
 
On Mon, 16 May 2005 18:21:17 -0500, John Fields
<jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

Basically, who gives a shit? And why do you find it necessary to ask
for help with familial matters which have very little meaning to the
rest of us?

Take care of your family business yourself, asshole.

It's like you think that your line matters more than ours and we
should all help your progeny with hints about how to get ahead of us
in the race.

Your granddaughter is so cute that we should kill our own beautiful
granddaugters to let her shine, alone?

Fuck you, pig shit.
Dang, John, and I had just un-killfiled you a few days ago, too.
Apparently I was mistaken.

--
Rich Webb Norfolk, VA
 
Rich Webb wrote:

Your granddaughter is so cute that we should kill our own beautiful
granddaugters to let her shine, alone?

Fuck you, pig shit.


Dang, John, and I had just un-killfiled you a few days ago, too.
Apparently I was mistaken.
Friends don't let friends remove John Fields from their kill files.
 
On Mon, 16 May 2005 18:21:17 -0500, John Fields
<jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

[snip]
Basically, who gives a shit? And why do you find it necessary to ask
for help with familial matters which have very little meaning to the
rest of us?

Take care of your family business yourself, asshole.

[snip]

Yes, I guess that's me, a simple asshole, but I'd rather be a simple
asshole than a simpleton ;-)

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
 
"Rich Webb" <bbew.ar@mapson.nozirev.ten> wrote in message
news:i01l81133qth2u3prcnod1sjkloinckusc@4ax.com...
On Mon, 16 May 2005 18:21:17 -0500, John Fields
jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

Basically, who gives a shit? And why do you find it necessary to ask
for help with familial matters which have very little meaning to the
rest of us?

Take care of your family business yourself, asshole.

It's like you think that your line matters more than ours and we
should all help your progeny with hints about how to get ahead of us
in the race.

Your granddaughter is so cute that we should kill our own beautiful
granddaugters to let her shine, alone?

Fuck you, pig shit.

Dang, John, and I had just un-killfiled you a few days ago, too.
Apparently I was mistaken.
Hey, now that you have the old curmudgeon's picture, you can print it
out on 11 by 17" and put it on the wall and throw darts at it. :p

I'm seriously consiudering adding him to the RSW and Allison filters
that I've got. They work well, if only others would *stop* quoting them
in their followups.

--
Rich Webb Norfolk, VA
 
"Rich Grise" <richgrise@example.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2005.05.17.15.56.14.928758@example.net...
On Tue, 17 May 2005 08:36:35 -0400, Oppie wrote:
"Charlie Edmondson" <edmondson@ieee.org> wrote in message
news:42891e03@news.cadence.com...
I went the Dlink when my Linksys went belly up, and the two hours
spent
with Support in India finally resolved that "It's Broke..."

Charlie

Then you will probably enjoy this:
(warning PG)
http://www.illwillpress.com/tech.html I detest outsourced 'help'
desks.
Oppie

Speaking of adventures in tech support:

The PHB came into my office yesterday, and said, "Shaunna forgot her
password. Can you get into the computer and dig it out?" I said,
"Probably not, but I have a live Linux CD here that I can boot and
just copy everything to another disk or to the network." He says,
"How long is that going to take, about a day?" (I'm thinking, "Wow,
that's almost a blank check!") I said, "Yeah, 'cause you have to do
each one by hand." So he brings in the computer, I turn it on, and
it wants a BIOS password - it won't even boot. It doesn't even get
out of POST. The PHB likes to set his BIOS password, so I asked him
to try some of the BIOS passwords he's used on other computers, but
no dice. Shaunna used to work here, but it's been some months, so
nobody has a clue what to do. He tries three of his passwords, and
the system locks up. "What happened?" "Oh, it probably does that
because you tried three times and didn't hit the password."

Oh, what to do, what to do? Then it dawned on me. Just pull the
drive and slap it in one of the other computers and copy everything.
Not a big deal. So I did that, spent about two hours copying over
all of her files except WINNT and temp and "temporary internet
files", because, well, you know.

So, I get everything all copied, go put the drive back in her 'pute,
all ready to format the drive and reinstall Windows.

Oops - it still wants a BIOS password.

But heck, I've been a computerist for many many years - I wonder if
resetting the CMOS will get rid of the password? So I pull the battery
jumper, let it sit for a few minutes, power it on, and it _STILL_
wants
a BIOS passowrd. Argh!

But, through some strange twist of fate, probably because it's an
old Intel MB, there's a sticker on the inside of the case with a
map of the motherboard and a legend pointing to the CMOS jumper,
with FOUR options, one of which is "RESET EVERYTHING". Pull the
jumper from 2-3, stick it on 1-2, and turn it on that way. It
gave me the option to clear the password! I had been about to come
to the NGs and ask if anybody'd ever gotten past a BIOS password,
but luckily, I read the instructions. :) So, I clear the BIOS
password, so the sucker will boot, and good ol' W2K comes right
up, asking for an administrator password. We tried several passwords,
and none of them seem to work. By this time, it's time to go home,
so he says, Well, let's start again in the morning.

The last thing I did was put the skins back on the box, hit the
power switch, and it beeped at me four times. "Oh, crap. Now what
have I done" But I didn't want to spend the night troubleshooting,
so I left it. First thing this morning, I come in and I say, "Boss,
the last thing I did last night was close up the case, and I must
have pinched a wire or knocked something loose, because suddenly it
wouldn't boot, just beep at me, which means hardware error." and he
says, "Huh? I came in and turned it on, and it's working fine." Except
for the forgotten password, of course.

So, just on a whim, I sit down and try the password 'josh' which
is Shaunna's current boyfriend's name. Voila! We're in, and as a
bonus, all of her data now is backed up.

And she's one of the ones who does all of her routine day-to-day
stuff as "Administrator." She doesn't even know about users. But
I didn't think it was my place to bring that little tidbit to
the PHB's attention, for a couple of reasons, not the least of
which is that the PHB is psychotic and would have blown up, (he
takes it personally when anyone volunteers any information that
wasn't his idea) and Shaunna is his ho on the side, who once ripped
me off $50 that I had fronted her for a baggie, and nobody around
here (except PHB and little PHB) can stand her. So screw 'em.

But I'm getting paid for four hours' work, so WTF? And the PHB
is happy, so he'll be off my back for awhile. :)

Cheers!
Rich
Shades of pointy-haired bosses and Dilbert. Much like where I work.

Hey, did you read that followup I left about the job opening for a
part-time computer tech? Number 2178 here:
http://www.rsccd.org/apps/rpub.asp?Q=439 or else www.rsccd.org, click on
business operations, and employment. # 2168 looks like a good job and
the pay is good. Hey, there's one for you, Rich. Number 2177, head
teachers. Potty training, anyone? :))
 
"Richard Crowley" <rcrowley7@xprt.net> wrote in message
news:118fhia9lqosc93@corp.supernews.com...
"Watson A.Name wrote ...
"Richard Crowley" wrote ...

No. Straight USB-A to USB-A cables (and USB-B to USB-B
cables) are technically "illegal" according to the USB spec.
See for yourself at the official website www.usb.org
http://www.usb.org/faq/ans5#q7
http://www.usb.org/faq/ans5#q8

The USB A to A cable is an extension cable. It's typically used on
a
jump drive or flash card reader. They have an A connector so they
can
be directly plugged into the front of a PC. To move them to the
table
top you need an extension.

"The USB 1.0 spec does not allow for an extension cable for USB
devices."
http://www.usb.org/developers/whitepapers/cablew~1.pdf
(Nor does the USB 2 spec, IIRC)
Well, you get one free with each card reader. ;-)
 
On Tue, 17 May 2005 18:11:12 -0700, "Watson A.Name - \"Watt Sun, the
Dark Remover\"" <NOSPAM@dslextreme.com> wrote:

"Rich Webb" <bbew.ar@mapson.nozirev.ten> wrote in message
news:i01l81133qth2u3prcnod1sjkloinckusc@4ax.com...
On Mon, 16 May 2005 18:21:17 -0500, John Fields
jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

Basically, who gives a shit? And why do you find it necessary to ask
for help with familial matters which have very little meaning to the
rest of us?

Take care of your family business yourself, asshole.

It's like you think that your line matters more than ours and we
should all help your progeny with hints about how to get ahead of us
in the race.

Your granddaughter is so cute that we should kill our own beautiful
granddaugters to let her shine, alone?

Fuck you, pig shit.

Dang, John, and I had just un-killfiled you a few days ago, too.
Apparently I was mistaken.

Hey, now that you have the old curmudgeon's picture, you can print it
out on 11 by 17" and put it on the wall and throw darts at it. :p

I'm seriously consiudering adding him to the RSW and Allison filters
that I've got. They work well, if only others would *stop* quoting them
in their followups.

--
Rich Webb Norfolk, VA
---
Hey, Watson, you've almost got the posting thing down... If only you'd
fix it so that the dot sig of the poster to whom you're responding
didn't show up after your insertion, it wouldn't seem like your post
was part of theirs.

Cordially,

--
John Fields
 
On Tue, 17 May 2005 17:59:44 -0700, Jim Thompson
<thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

On Mon, 16 May 2005 18:21:17 -0500, John Fields
jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

[snip]
Basically, who gives a shit? And why do you find it necessary to ask
for help with familial matters which have very little meaning to the
rest of us?

Take care of your family business yourself, asshole.

[snip]

Yes, I guess that's me, a simple asshole, but I'd rather be a simple
asshole than a simpleton ;-)
---
I don't think I've ever said you were a _simple_ asshole...

As for the simpleton part, I think your forays into bookshelf
woodworking, in-garage car location and oh, I don't know, things like
that, speak for themselves.

--
Cordially,
John Fields
Professional Circuit Designer
 

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