OT rant, iphone

[JONZ]

On 16/11/2011 8:42 PM, Noddy wrote:

On 16/11/2011 4:52 PM, CatharticF1 wrote:

No - that's just not true.

In your opinion

Even subjectively. There is a case based on preferences you could make
(but
haven't). But in quality and polish of the hardware, OS and app
integration, not to mention fragmentation of Android it's Apple that
are in
front. I'd like there to be an alternative, but it isn't Android (for
me).

We'll have to agree to disagree.

As I mentioned, we have a friend staying with us who has the latest
Iphone whatever, and I've been playing with it over the last few days.
It *looks* nice, but it has quite a few short-comings compared to the
HTC Desire in my opinion, and the most irritating is the Camera.

Quite simply, the Desire's camera is excellent to the point that it
would give a few dedicated digital cameras a decent run for their money,
whereas the Iphone's camera feels like that of a 5 year old Nokia. The
Desire also has a much easier to use interface and comes with a heap of
more intuitive utilities. If it has a weakness it's the HTC Sync
software which is particularly piss poor, but being an Android based
phone there is no shortage of excellent alternatives (the absolute best
being MyPhoneExplorer which is superb *and* free).

If you want an alternative to iPhone I'd choose the new Nokia Windows
Phone
7 handset. WP7 is very nice, also well polished but lacks the app
depth of
iOs. I think in another year it will be a real option.

Sorry, but my wife has a WP7 based HTC Mozart and for mine it's not a
patch on an android phone. It may be at some future point, but for now
it's desperately lacking.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You off the meds?.....

--
Two things that are essential to life are WD 40 and duct tape. If it
moves and it isn't supposed to, use the duct tape. If it doesn't move
and it's supposed to use the WD 40.

 

[Noddy]

On 16/11/2011 9:11 PM, JONZ wrote:

You off the meds?.....

I've been off them for quite some time. What's your excuse?



--
Regards,
Noddy.

 

[Peter]

kreed <kenreed1999@gmail.com> wrote in
news:08ab682c-d7e2-4b30-8462-bd1a53f06c1d@g27g2000pre.googlegroups.com:

On Nov 16, 12:49 pm, Trevor Wilson <tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au
wrote:
On 11/16/2011 12:45 PM, Peter wrote:



Trevor Wilson<tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au>  wrote:
On 11/15/2011 4:32 PM, Fraser Johnston wrote:
On 14/11/11 4:24 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

**ALL Apple products have been designed for rich dumbos. A mate
of m
ine
(who has more money than sense) gave me his old computer (a very
nic
e,
i5 machine, with three monitors and three fast video cards and
crapl
oads
of memory), because he was 'upgrading' to a new Apple. Cost him
4 gr
and.
Looks purty. Doesn't do much more than I can do with my new
machine. Doesn't work any faster either. I loaded mine with 16GB
RAM (cost $200.00). His 16GB or Apple RAM was an $800.00 option.
Sucker.

Only if he pays it. Kingston RAM will go straight into his mac.
I've upgraded the RAM and harddrive on my mac. Apple didn't get a
cent for either.

**He already bought the computer, loaded with Apple's over-priced
RAM. They mumbled something about warranty to him and he caved and
paid the big Bucks. Now he is just another slave to the rip-off
Apple machine. Sad. Good for me though. I ended up with a very
nice, pretty quick com
puter for nix.

--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

Apple service is far superior from anything I have experienced in
the p
ast
excluding Japan.

Can you get a replacement phone on the spot under warranty with the
and
roid
phones?

**I've owned cell 'phones since 1991. I've never required service for
any of them. Of course, I've never owned an Apple product. Perhaps
they need frequent service. One could argue that, at the price
demanded by Apple, they can afford to replace them.

No. Why would someone bag a company for providing (fantastic) service?

I can't say that I have had a problem with any phone I have had
either, except a
LG one where the screen got broken when I fell over.

After talking about the easy service I got with my iphone fault I heard
that people have had BROKEN screens replaced on warranty.

MY Wife's Nokia dropped dead last year. Out of warranty, not worth
mucking about with.
Got an identical one, new off ebay for about
$80 including postage. Was here in 2 days.

Prior to iphone I had a Nokia N97, that I sent back for repair and was
replaced with a new one just as bad. Still have it. I liked the FM
transmitter for MP3 but now use bluetooth anyway.

Nokia takes hours just to see a tech.

**I've owned several Nokias. Outside battery replacement (which,
unlike iPhones, can be performed by the owner), I've never needed to
have one serviced. They don't go wrong.

I have not messed about with a mobile battery since....... the O2, apart
from having to remove it to insert remove the SIM.

Exactly.
Do I phone's have internal batteries that cant be replaced by the
owner (easily) ?

Why would one want to service their own phone?
I just want it to work.

I guess this is to ensure that you cant remove the battery and stop
the GPS running so they can continue to track you and spy on you even
when you turn it off ?

Who are they?
[looking for foil hat]

I have owned smart phones since O2 Atoms and before that, PPC.

What is it you can do on any of these that you are unable to do on
the others?

**Who gives a crap? I use a 'phone for (gasp!) making 'phone calls.
Anything else is just bling.

Only bling if you are waving it about.
I have used camera on phones transfer to pc since infared was the go.
Outlook maybe not as long but unable to live without.
I also love having music wherever I go without rings on my fingers and
bells on my toes.
Email is noice.
Maps handy.
Tapnews is a great time filler... usenet.


But you are right..... there is a lot of bling about, on all the
"smart" phones now.

I have all my MP3 on my iPhone and it has not been jail broken.


Shouldn't even have to mention this - MP3 is pretty much the universal
format
for music these days, and anything that doesn't play them these days
is an absolute joke.

Agree, but I did because it was my biggest concern about getting an
iphone.

I try not to be a iwanker but after a fault and dealing with their
serv
ice
department I may replace some PC's with Apples in the future.

**More the fool you.

I think I would stick to the PC's, more commonly used, replacement
parts of any spec you want available just about anywhere for very
competitive prices, motherboards, processors, video cards etc. If
something dies, replace it and keep working. No need to stuff around
trying to get serviced if you don't live near a repair centre. There
are PC repair places even in many small towns.

This is the thing. Ten years ago I would have been on my hands and knees
under a desk pulling out hard drives or whatever.
Now I can't be bothered. My time is worth more than that.

Just about any windows app will run on PC's without hassles, and stuff
that doesn't, there is heaps of knowledge out there in Google to help
you with whatever you want to do with them.

Yes.
Same with the phones.
The thing is with the iphone most of the apps are mad for the market the
phone is promoted, and it aint smart.

Neither is bagging a product just because of the brand name.

--

 

[Peter]

Krypsis <krypsis@optusnet.com.au> wrote in
news:4ec36d0d$0$13392$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au:

I read some figures today, for Q3 2011 the iPhone accounted for
15.0% of smart phone sales but 66% of smart phone profits.

draw your own conclusions from that.

Is that what they make from app sales - iTunes?

He did say "smart phone sales" so one could concur that only sales of
the iPhone itself are being measured.

After reading

<http://www.forbes.com/sites/afontevecchia/2011/11/04/apple-took-52-of-
smartphone-profits-on-4-2-market-share-in-q3-stock-to-hit-560/?
partner=yahootix>

and the two comments found at the bottom I would assume that the above is a
misquote and should be something like...

52% is smartphone profits.
4.2% is mobile phone sales.

That is two different markets.

--

 

Peter <someone@microsoft.com> wrote:
....

After talking about the easy service I got with my iphone fault I heard
that people have had BROKEN screens replaced on warranty.
....

This makes "Jobs sense". A couple years back you could buy iPhones
(various models) with cracked screen (but maybe still "working")
for $60 on ebay.

I got a couple to make a couple aps and they worked fine for that
purpose. (The public sources for the development system was another matter).

So to keep the prices up it makes sense to curtail this kind of
"back market" by simply replacing parts that probably only cost
the maker $10 per to make, install and ship.

--
Scientists are always changing their story and as a Conservative, I
have no tolerance for ambiguity. It proves that all science is lies
and the only thing we can trust is right wing rhetoric.
-- BONZO@27-32-240-172 [daily nymshifter], 14 Jan 2011 14:46 +1100

 

[keithr]

On 16/11/2011 12:45 PM, Peter wrote:

keithr<keith@nowhere.com.au> wrote:
On 13/11/2011 7:10 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Got given a 3g 4.2 iPhone,what a useless contraption,Frustrating waste
of time, what use are they?
First of all I do not want music,which seems to be their prime purpose.
I have no intention of ever buying anything from iTunes and it took me
an hour to figure how to get free apps as in the beginning it seemed
that nothing was going to happen until I gave my credit card details,
which I have no intention of.I discovered finally that it could be done.
I tried to download a free eBook reader app nothing happened at least no
indication of anything happening.So I decided to download it to computer
with iTunes, I then synched with phone but got nowhere (did not transfer
to phone)
tried to figure out how to put my own MP3 in phone to use as ring
tone,got nowhere.
Maybe when I get to other house with Wi Fi something might happen.
Almost got the hammer out.
Did manage to put some photos from computer to phone
I have an HTC diamond touch which I have some control over.
Without music being a major interest and a bank account the iPhone seems
a dead loss.
I might see if Wi Fi allows me to download some apps.

I read some figures today, for Q3 2011 the iPhone accounted for 15.0% of
smart phone sales but 66% of smart phone profits.

draw your own conclusions from that.

Is that what they make from app sales - iTunes?

Although it was not explicitly stated, the article seemed to be talking
about handset sales only.

 

[Trevor Wilson]

On 11/17/2011 7:04 AM, Peter wrote:

kreed<kenreed1999@gmail.com> wrote in
news:08ab682c-d7e2-4b30-8462-bd1a53f06c1d@g27g2000pre.googlegroups.com:

On Nov 16, 12:49 pm, Trevor Wilson<tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au
wrote:
On 11/16/2011 12:45 PM, Peter wrote:



Trevor Wilson<tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:
On 11/15/2011 4:32 PM, Fraser Johnston wrote:
On 14/11/11 4:24 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

**ALL Apple products have been designed for rich dumbos. A mate
of m
ine
(who has more money than sense) gave me his old computer (a very
nic
e,
i5 machine, with three monitors and three fast video cards and
crapl
oads
of memory), because he was 'upgrading' to a new Apple. Cost him
4 gr
and.
Looks purty. Doesn't do much more than I can do with my new
machine. Doesn't work any faster either. I loaded mine with 16GB
RAM (cost $200.00). His 16GB or Apple RAM was an $800.00 option.
Sucker.

Only if he pays it. Kingston RAM will go straight into his mac.
I've upgraded the RAM and harddrive on my mac. Apple didn't get a
cent for either.

**He already bought the computer, loaded with Apple's over-priced
RAM. They mumbled something about warranty to him and he caved and
paid the big Bucks. Now he is just another slave to the rip-off
Apple machine. Sad. Good for me though. I ended up with a very
nice, pretty quick com
puter for nix.

--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

Apple service is far superior from anything I have experienced in
the p
ast
excluding Japan.

Can you get a replacement phone on the spot under warranty with the
and
roid
phones?

**I've owned cell 'phones since 1991. I've never required service for
any of them. Of course, I've never owned an Apple product. Perhaps
they need frequent service. One could argue that, at the price
demanded by Apple, they can afford to replace them.



No. Why would someone bag a company for providing (fantastic) service?

**I'll say again: In more than 20 years of mobile 'phone ownership, I've
never had to find out how good (or bad) the back up service is for the
following companies:
NEC
Nokia
LG
Samsung
Sony
Ericcson

I've owned 'phones from all these companies (and several from some
companies) and NEVER had a problem with any of them. Most of my old
'phones have gone to family members and are still operating just fine.
Apple may provide excellent back-up service. They probably need to. They
can certainly afford it, given their rip-off pricing.

I can't say that I have had a problem with any phone I have had
either, except a
LG one where the screen got broken when I fell over.



After talking about the easy service I got with my iphone fault I heard
that people have had BROKEN screens replaced on warranty.

**Woo-hoo. My Nokia has been dropped more times than I care to think
about. Never missed a beat. No broken screen, nothing. Just keeps working.

MY Wife's Nokia dropped dead last year. Out of warranty, not worth
mucking about with.
Got an identical one, new off ebay for about
$80 including postage. Was here in 2 days.



Prior to iphone I had a Nokia N97, that I sent back for repair and was
replaced with a new one just as bad. Still have it. I liked the FM
transmitter for MP3 but now use bluetooth anyway.




Nokia takes hours just to see a tech.

**I've owned several Nokias. Outside battery replacement (which,
unlike iPhones, can be performed by the owner), I've never needed to
have one serviced. They don't go wrong.




I have not messed about with a mobile battery since....... the O2, apart
from having to remove it to insert remove the SIM.

**Replacing a battery is something I expect (and all reasonable people)
expect to be able to do on any portable product. Regardless of the
brand, batteries remain a weak point of any portable device. Sadly,
Apple don't seem to realise this fact.

Exactly.
Do I phone's have internal batteries that cant be replaced by the
owner (easily) ?



Why would one want to service their own phone?

**Battery replacement is hardly a 'service'. Do you send you TV remote
out for service, when the batteries require replacement?

I just want it to work.

**And battery replacement is just one of those things. I always carry a
spare battery for my 'phone, when I'm out. I always carry a spare
battery for my screwdriver/drill too. Making a battery swap difficult is
a sign of bad design.

I guess this is to ensure that you cant remove the battery and stop
the GPS running so they can continue to track you and spy on you even
when you turn it off ?




Who are they?
[looking for foil hat]




I have owned smart phones since O2 Atoms and before that, PPC.

What is it you can do on any of these that you are unable to do on
the others?

**Who gives a crap? I use a 'phone for (gasp!) making 'phone calls.
Anything else is just bling.



Only bling if you are waving it about.
I have used camera on phones transfer to pc since infared was the go.
Outlook maybe not as long but unable to live without.
I also love having music wherever I go without rings on my fingers and
bells on my toes.
Email is noice.
Maps handy.
Tapnews is a great time filler... usenet.


But you are right..... there is a lot of bling about, on all the
"smart" phones now.

**Yep.

--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[Fraser Johnston]

On 16/11/11 5:42 PM, Noddy wrote:

As I mentioned, we have a friend staying with us who has the latest
Iphone whatever, and I've been playing with it over the last few days.
It *looks* nice, but it has quite a few short-comings compared to the
HTC Desire in my opinion, and the most irritating is the Camera.

What iPhone was it? The camera on my 3GS was terrible. The camera on
my 4S is unbelievably good.

Fraser

 

[Noddy]

On 17/11/2011 1:01 PM, Fraser Johnston wrote:

What iPhone was it? The camera on my 3GS was terrible. The camera on my
4S is unbelievably good.

It's the current one apparently, and it's complete shit.


--
Regards,
Noddy.

 

[Peter]

Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in
news:9ij0fqFrt0U1@mid.individual.net:

On 11/17/2011 7:04 AM, Peter wrote:
kreed<kenreed1999@gmail.com> wrote in
news:08ab682c-d7e2-4b30-8462-
bd1a53f06c1d@g27g2000pre.googlegroups.com
:

On Nov 16, 12:49 pm, Trevor Wilson<tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au
wrote:
On 11/16/2011 12:45 PM, Peter wrote:



Trevor Wilson<tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:
On 11/15/2011 4:32 PM, Fraser Johnston wrote:
On 14/11/11 4:24 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

**ALL Apple products have been designed for rich dumbos. A mate
of m
ine
(who has more money than sense) gave me his old computer (a
very nic
e,
i5 machine, with three monitors and three fast video cards and
crapl
oads
of memory), because he was 'upgrading' to a new Apple. Cost him
4 gr
and.
Looks purty. Doesn't do much more than I can do with my new
machine. Doesn't work any faster either. I loaded mine with
16GB RAM (cost $200.00). His 16GB or Apple RAM was an $800.00
option. Sucker.

Only if he pays it. Kingston RAM will go straight into his mac.
I've upgraded the RAM and harddrive on my mac. Apple didn't get
a cent for either.

**He already bought the computer, loaded with Apple's over-priced
RAM. They mumbled something about warranty to him and he caved
and paid the big Bucks. Now he is just another slave to the
rip-off Apple machine. Sad. Good for me though. I ended up with a
very nice, pretty quick com
puter for nix.

--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

Apple service is far superior from anything I have experienced in
the p
ast
excluding Japan.

Can you get a replacement phone on the spot under warranty with
the and
roid
phones?

**I've owned cell 'phones since 1991. I've never required service
for any of them. Of course, I've never owned an Apple product.
Perhaps they need frequent service. One could argue that, at the
price demanded by Apple, they can afford to replace them.



No. Why would someone bag a company for providing (fantastic)
service?

**I'll say again: In more than 20 years of mobile 'phone ownership,
I've never had to find out how good (or bad) the back up service is
for the following companies:
NEC
Nokia
LG
Samsung
Sony
Ericcson

NEC, were hopeless.
Nokia still are.
No idea about LG except their TV's suck.
I owned a Samsing phone once, never again. Had to pull the plug to stop
the synch software that came with it deleting my contacts. Terrible.
I have never owned a Sony.
Ericcson, used to have a couple of week turn around but have no idea how
long now.
Motorolla used to supply loan phones to telstra and service mobile
around Broadmedows somewhere.... are they still made without screws?

I've owned 'phones from all these companies (and several from some
companies) and NEVER had a problem with any of them. Most of my old
'phones have gone to family members and are still operating just fine.

That is fantastic!
A lot of your family members use used mobiles?

Apple may provide excellent back-up service. They probably need to.
They can certainly afford it, given their rip-off pricing.

Is it a ripp off?
I like service.

I can't say that I have had a problem with any phone I have had
either, except a
LG one where the screen got broken when I fell over.

I have been told replacement screens can cost a couple of hundred
dollars for some Nokias.

After talking about the easy service I got with my iphone fault I
heard that people have had BROKEN screens replaced on warranty.

**Woo-hoo. My Nokia has been dropped more times than I care to think
about. Never missed a beat. No broken screen, nothing. Just keeps
working.

I dropped my latest iphone in a full bucket of water and had to fish it
out, still working. Whats your point? Woo-hoo?

MY Wife's Nokia dropped dead last year. Out of warranty, not worth
mucking about with.
Got an identical one, new off ebay for about
$80 including postage. Was here in 2 days.

Ok.
Now would you sell a smart phone on ebay?
I wouldn't.

Prior to iphone I had a Nokia N97, that I sent back for repair and
was replaced with a new one just as bad. Still have it. I liked the
FM transmitter for MP3 but now use bluetooth anyway.




Nokia takes hours just to see a tech.

**I've owned several Nokias. Outside battery replacement (which,
unlike iPhones, can be performed by the owner), I've never needed
to have one serviced. They don't go wrong.

Reads like they can get a flat battery. ;-)

I have not messed about with a mobile battery since....... the O2,
apart from having to remove it to insert remove the SIM.

**Replacing a battery is something I expect (and all reasonable
people) expect to be able to do on any portable product. Regardless of
the brand, batteries remain a weak point of any portable device.
Sadly, Apple don't seem to realise this fact.

That is so last mellenium.
I now expect my devices to last.
Simple.
If they are unable to last then I expect to be able to charge easily in
my car, others car, any USB and most homes.
Very simple.

Exactly.
Do I phone's have internal batteries that cant be replaced by the
owner (easily) ?

Do they need them?

Why would one want to service their own phone?

**Battery replacement is hardly a 'service'. Do you send you TV remote
out for service, when the batteries require replacement?

It was clarified that servicing a Nokia (apart from battery) above. ;-)
Plug and play boys.
Not multiple batterys and desktop chargers. So 80's!

I just want it to work.

**And battery replacement is just one of those things. I always carry
a spare battery for my 'phone, when I'm out. I always carry a spare
battery for my screwdriver/drill too. Making a battery swap difficult
is a sign of bad design.

I would have thought making a battery swap unnecessary was a good design
point.

I guess this is to ensure that you cant remove the battery and stop
the GPS running so they can continue to track you and spy on you
even when you turn it off ?




Who are they?
[looking for foil hat]

Should I be alert or alarmed?

I have owned smart phones since O2 Atoms and before that, PPC.

What is it you can do on any of these that you are unable to do on
the others?

**Who gives a crap? I use a 'phone for (gasp!) making 'phone calls.
Anything else is just bling.



Only bling if you are waving it about.
I have used camera on phones transfer to pc since infared was the go.
Outlook maybe not as long but unable to live without.
I also love having music wherever I go without rings on my fingers
and bells on my toes.
Email is noice.
Maps handy.
Tapnews is a great time filler... usenet.


But you are right..... there is a lot of bling about, on all the
"smart" phones now.

**Yep.

With SMART phones I think some should remember, just because you could
doesn't mean you should.


Personally I don't see putting all of ones data into a mobile device
that is connected to multiple wirelss networks to be so smart.
People said that about PC's though.



--

 

[kreed]

On Nov 17, 7:43 pm, Peter <some...@microsoft.com> wrote:

Trevor Wilson <tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote innews:9ij0fqFrt0U1@mid.individual.net:

On 11/17/2011 7:04 AM, Peter wrote:
kreed<kenreed1...@gmail.com>  wrote in
news:08ab682c-d7e2-4b30-8462-

bd1a53f06...@g27g2000pre.googlegroups.com



:

On Nov 16, 12:49 pm, Trevor Wilson<tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au
wrote:
On 11/16/2011 12:45 PM, Peter wrote:

Trevor Wilson<tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au>    wrote:
On 11/15/2011 4:32 PM, Fraser Johnston wrote:
On 14/11/11 4:24 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

**ALL Apple products have been designed for rich dumbos. A mate
of m
ine
(who has more money than sense) gave me his old computer (a
very nic
e,
i5 machine, with three monitors and three fast video cards and
crapl
oads
of memory), because he was 'upgrading' to a new Apple. Cost him
4 gr
and.
Looks purty. Doesn't do much more than I can do with my new
machine. Doesn't work any faster either. I loaded mine with
16GB RAM (cost $200.00). His 16GB or Apple RAM was an $800.00
option. Sucker.

Only if he pays it. Kingston RAM will go straight into his mac.
I've upgraded the RAM and harddrive on my mac. Apple didn't get
a cent for either.

**He already bought the computer, loaded with Apple's over-priced
RAM. They mumbled something about warranty to him and he caved
and paid the big Bucks. Now he is just another slave to the
rip-off Apple machine. Sad. Good for me though. I ended up with a
very nice, pretty quick com
puter for nix.

--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

Apple service is far superior from anything I have experienced in
the p
ast
excluding Japan.

Can you get a replacement phone on the spot under warranty with
the and
roid
phones?

**I've owned cell 'phones since 1991. I've never required service
for any of them. Of course, I've never owned an Apple product.
Perhaps they need frequent service. One could argue that, at the
price demanded by Apple, they can afford to replace them.

No. Why would someone bag a company for providing (fantastic)
service?

**I'll say again: In more than 20 years of mobile 'phone ownership,
I've never had to find out how good (or bad) the back up service is
for the following companies:
NEC
Nokia
LG
Samsung
Sony
Ericcson

NEC, were hopeless.
Nokia still are.
No idea about LG except their TV's suck.
I owned a Samsing phone once, never again. Had to pull the plug to stop
the synch software that came with it deleting my contacts. Terrible.
I have never owned a Sony.
Ericcson, used to have a couple of week turn around but have no idea how
long now.
Motorolla used to supply loan phones to telstra and service mobile
around Broadmedows somewhere.... are they still made without screws?



I've owned 'phones from all these companies (and several from some
companies) and NEVER had a problem with any of them. Most of my old
'phones have gone to family members and are still operating just fine.

That is fantastic!
A lot of your family members use used mobiles?

Apple may provide excellent back-up service. They probably need to.
They can certainly afford it, given their rip-off pricing.

Is it a ripp off?
I like service.



I can't say that I have had a problem with any phone I have had
either, except a
LG one where the screen got broken when I fell over.

I have been told replacement screens can cost a couple of hundred
dollars for some Nokias.



After talking about the easy service I got with my iphone fault I
heard that people have had BROKEN screens replaced on warranty.

**Woo-hoo. My Nokia has been dropped more times than I care to think
about. Never missed a beat. No broken screen, nothing. Just keeps
working.

I dropped my latest iphone in a full bucket of water and had to fish it
out, still working. Whats your point? Woo-hoo?



MY Wife's Nokia dropped dead last year. Out of warranty, not worth
mucking about with.
Got an identical one, new off ebay for about
$80 including postage.  Was here in 2 days.

Ok.
Now would you sell a smart phone on ebay?
I wouldn't.

That's a strange question and I fail to see the relevance

Where else are you going to sell a phone when you no longer want it ?
Take it to cash converters or advertise it in the classifieds or
trading post, trade it in (if you can these days) and get nothing for
it ?

As for buying a phone, would I have been better off buying the
identical phone from Telstra etc for $200 odd (at the time) and just
toss away $120 - especially to grubs like them ?

Prior to iphone I had a Nokia N97, that I sent back for repair and
was replaced with a new one just as bad. Still have it. I liked the
FM transmitter for MP3 but now use bluetooth anyway.

Nokia takes hours just to see a tech.

**I've owned several Nokias. Outside battery replacement (which,
unlike iPhones, can be performed by the owner), I've never needed
to have one serviced. They don't go wrong.

Reads like they can get a flat battery.  ;-)



I have not messed about with a mobile battery since....... the O2,
apart from having to remove it to insert remove the SIM.

**Replacing a battery is something I expect (and all reasonable
people) expect to be able to do on any portable product. Regardless of
the brand, batteries remain a weak point of any portable device.
Sadly, Apple don't seem to realise this fact.

That is so last mellenium.
I now expect my devices to last.
Simple.
If they are unable to last then I expect to be able to charge easily in
my car, others car, any USB and most homes.
Very simple.

What if you are away from a power source for a length of time, or in
an emergency or disaster ?
what about when the battery reaches the end of its useful life ?

What are you doing on a tech forum ??

Exactly.
Do I phone's have internal batteries that cant be replaced by the
owner (easily) ?

Do they need them?

They do, as batteries frequently do not last as long as the life of
the device, particularly if they are used a lot, and discharged /
recharged a lot .

Once they fail to hold enough charge for reasonable amount of usage
time, its time to replace the batteries.

One or more spare batteries, and ability to change them without
difficulty are vital if you are going to spend any time away from
power sources for charging,
If there is an emergency It could save a life.

Why would one want to service their own phone?

**Battery replacement is hardly a 'service'. Do you send you TV remote
out for service, when the batteries require replacement?

It was clarified that servicing a Nokia (apart from battery) above. ;-)
Plug and play boys.
Not multiple batterys and desktop chargers. So 80's!

so how do you charge your fancy phone then, still needs a charger, and
any sort of charging dock is essentially a desktop charger.

I just want it to work.

**And battery replacement is just one of those things. I always carry
a spare battery for my 'phone, when I'm out. I always carry a spare
battery for my screwdriver/drill too. Making a battery swap difficult
is a sign of bad design.

I would have thought making a battery swap unnecessary was a good design
point.

Battery swap is always necessary eventually
- its just a matter of time how long it takes until it is needed.
Batteries in these sort of situations only last a certain number of
charge cycles - fail to hold enough charge eventually and need to be
replaced.

I guess this is to ensure that you cant remove the battery and stop
the GPS running so they can continue to track you and spy on you
even when you turn it off ?

Who are they?
[looking for foil hat]

Should I be alert or alarmed?

Maybe you need to read up on apple caught logging user location data
and forwarding it to Apple.
It is a breach of the users privacy and rights to privacy. Even
putting aside the bad uses of this sort of technology by bent
governments and authorities, I do not want corporations logging data,
logging keywords from calls, SMS (or conversations even off the phone)
of where I go, when and where I shop, what I buy, How much, how often,
and this being onsold to other companies to help them con me into
buying more crap I do not want through "targeted advertising",
unsolicited calls, spam and junk mail.

I wonder what on earth you are doing on a tech forum, you sound more
like an average consumer to me with little tech knowledgs.

I have owned smart phones since O2 Atoms and before that, PPC.

What is it you can do on any of these that you are unable to do on
the others?

**Who gives a crap? I use a 'phone for (gasp!) making 'phone calls.
Anything else is just bling.

Only bling if you are waving it about.
I have used camera on phones transfer to pc since infared was the go.
Outlook maybe not as long but unable to live without.
I also love having music wherever I go without rings on my fingers
and bells on my toes.
Email is noice.
Maps handy.
Tapnews is a great time filler... usenet.

But you are right..... there is a lot of bling about, on all the
"smart" phones now.

**Yep.

With SMART phones I think some should remember, just because you could
doesn't mean you should.

Personally I don't see putting all of ones data into a mobile device
that is connected to multiple wirelss networks to be so smart.
People said that about PC's though.

--

 

[Peter]

kreed <kenreed1999@gmail.com> wrote in
news:63c66822-b417-40e1-ad10-12ac950bcd3f@s35g2000pra.googlegroups.com:

On Nov 17, 7:43 pm, Peter <some...@microsoft.com> wrote:
Trevor Wilson <tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote
innews:9ij0fqFrt0U
1@mid.individual.net:

On 11/17/2011 7:04 AM, Peter wrote:
kreed<kenreed1...@gmail.com>  wrote in
news:08ab682c-d7e2-4b30-8462-

bd1a53f06...@g27g2000pre.googlegroups.com



:

On Nov 16, 12:49 pm, Trevor
Wilson<tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:
On 11/16/2011 12:45 PM, Peter wrote:

Trevor Wilson<tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au>    wrote:
On 11/15/2011 4:32 PM, Fraser Johnston wrote:
On 14/11/11 4:24 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

**ALL Apple products have been designed for rich dumbos. A
mate of m
ine
(who has more money than sense) gave me his old computer (a
very nic
e,
i5 machine, with three monitors and three fast video cards
and crapl
oads
of memory), because he was 'upgrading' to a new Apple. Cost
him 4 gr
and.
Looks purty. Doesn't do much more than I can do with my new
machine. Doesn't work any faster either. I loaded mine with
16GB RAM (cost $200.00). His 16GB or Apple RAM was an
$800.00 option. Sucker.

Only if he pays it. Kingston RAM will go straight into his
mac. I've upgraded the RAM and harddrive on my mac. Apple
didn't get a cent for either.

**He already bought the computer, loaded with Apple's
over-priced RAM. They mumbled something about warranty to him
and he caved and paid the big Bucks. Now he is just another
slave to the rip-off Apple machine. Sad. Good for me though. I
ended up with a very nice, pretty quick com
puter for nix.

--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

Apple service is far superior from anything I have experienced
in the p
ast
excluding Japan.

Can you get a replacement phone on the spot under warranty with
the and
roid
phones?

**I've owned cell 'phones since 1991. I've never required
service for any of them. Of course, I've never owned an Apple
product. Perhaps they need frequent service. One could argue
that, at the price demanded by Apple, they can afford to replace
them.

No. Why would someone bag a company for providing (fantastic)
service?

**I'll say again: In more than 20 years of mobile 'phone ownership,
I've never had to find out how good (or bad) the back up service is
for the following companies:
NEC
Nokia
LG
Samsung
Sony
Ericcson

NEC, were hopeless.
Nokia still are.
No idea about LG except their TV's suck.
I owned a Samsing phone once, never again. Had to pull the plug to
stop the synch software that came with it deleting my contacts.
Terrible. I have never owned a Sony.
Ericcson, used to have a couple of week turn around but have no idea
how long now.
Motorolla used to supply loan phones to telstra and service mobile
around Broadmedows somewhere.... are they still made without screws?



I've owned 'phones from all these companies (and several from some
companies) and NEVER had a problem with any of them. Most of my old
'phones have gone to family members and are still operating just
fine.

That is fantastic!
A lot of your family members use used mobiles?

Apple may provide excellent back-up service. They probably need to.
They can certainly afford it, given their rip-off pricing.

Is it a ripp off?
I like service.



I can't say that I have had a problem with any phone I have had
either, except a
LG one where the screen got broken when I fell over.

I have been told replacement screens can cost a couple of hundred
dollars for some Nokias.



After talking about the easy service I got with my iphone fault I
heard that people have had BROKEN screens replaced on warranty.

**Woo-hoo. My Nokia has been dropped more times than I care to
think about. Never missed a beat. No broken screen, nothing. Just
keeps working.

I dropped my latest iphone in a full bucket of water and had to fish
it out, still working. Whats your point? Woo-hoo?



MY Wife's Nokia dropped dead last year. Out of warranty, not
worth mucking about with.
Got an identical one, new off ebay for about
$80 including postage.  Was here in 2 days.

Ok.
Now would you sell a smart phone on ebay?
I wouldn't.


That's a strange question and I fail to see the relevance

Think about data security.
Also, there is software that can be installed on mobiles that are more
than key loggers, they trace your location and allow third parties to
listen in to your telephone calls and see your sms/emails.
I would not sell a smart phone on ebay as I nwould be worried about the
data be retrieved.

Where else are you going to sell a phone when you no longer want it ?
Take it to cash converters or advertise it in the classifieds or
trading post, trade it in (if you can these days) and get nothing for
it ?

I wouldn't. Read above.

As for buying a phone, would I have been better off buying the
identical phone from Telstra etc for $200 odd (at the time) and just
toss away $120 - especially to grubs like them ?

I hate Tel$tra now but this does raise a point.
You can spend $80 on a second hand mobile with no warrenty and no
service. For an extra $120 you get peice of mind that an out of box
fault would be addressed and any other faults would be addressed over
the next twelve months.
You are not even saving half the price, risking your security and *

Prior to iphone I had a Nokia N97, that I sent back for repair and
was replaced with a new one just as bad. Still have it. I liked
the FM transmitter for MP3 but now use bluetooth anyway.

Nokia takes hours just to see a tech.

**I've owned several Nokias. Outside battery replacement (which,
unlike iPhones, can be performed by the owner), I've never
needed to have one serviced. They don't go wrong.

Reads like they can get a flat battery.  ;-)



I have not messed about with a mobile battery since....... the O2,
apart from having to remove it to insert remove the SIM.

**Replacing a battery is something I expect (and all reasonable
people) expect to be able to do on any portable product. Regardless
of the brand, batteries remain a weak point of any portable device.
Sadly, Apple don't seem to realise this fact.

That is so last mellenium.
I now expect my devices to last.
Simple.
If they are unable to last then I expect to be able to charge easily
in my car, others car, any USB and most homes.
Very simple.


What if you are away from a power source for a length of time, or in
an emergency or disaster ?

I am often. I charge with my motorcycle (power source).

what about when the battery reaches the end of its useful life ?

As I wrote before, that is so last mellenium. How many decades do you
keep your mobiles for anyway?
Contracts are usually 24 months now, this is also the same time period
mobiles are deducted my the ATO so it makes sence to replace them.
It does not make sence to put used smart phones on ebay, purchase smart
phones from ebay or to bag others that simple use one product over
another.

What are you doing on a tech forum ??

* When I did repair mobiles on a contract basis for the likes of Tel
$ra/Optus/Erricson/Nokia/NEC/Motorrola one thing that disgusted me was
how dirty they get. But you would know this, as you place your second
hand mobile to your face and your family are pressing third hand mobiles
to their face....

Exactly.
Do I phone's have internal batteries that cant be replaced by the
owner (easily) ?

Do they need them?


They do, as batteries frequently do not last as long as the life of
the device, particularly if they are used a lot, and discharged /
recharged a lot .

So last mellenium. Phones are replaced before the above becomes an
issue. Just like cars!

Once they fail to hold enough charge for reasonable amount of usage
time, its time to replace the batteries.

Wrong, Its time to replace the phone.
You need to go over your math again. ;-)

One or more spare batteries, and ability to change them without
difficulty are vital if you are going to spend any time away from
power sources for charging,

Why would one need a spare battery if one has the ability to charge?
There are so many ways to charge a mobile now days I feel the above is a
none issue.
Take a laptop and charge off that!

If there is an emergency It could save a life.

You have me sold!

Why would one want to service their own phone?

**Battery replacement is hardly a 'service'. Do you send you TV
remote out for service, when the batteries require replacement?

It was clarified that servicing a Nokia (apart from battery) above.
;-) Plug and play boys.
Not multiple batterys and desktop chargers. So 80's!



so how do you charge your fancy phone then, still needs a charger, and
any sort of charging dock is essentially a desktop charger.

No. A desktop charger (in mobile telephone terms) has always been
optional equipment that allows the ability to charge more than one
battery at a time.

I just want it to work.

**And battery replacement is just one of those things. I always
carry a spare battery for my 'phone, when I'm out. I always carry a
spare battery for my screwdriver/drill too. Making a battery swap
difficult is a sign of bad design.

I would have thought making a battery swap unnecessary was a good
design point.



Battery swap is always necessary eventually

You are wrong. To prove this, look at how many other devices no longer
have the battery swap option. Things are no longer made to last ten
years. Look at the houses going up or the cars driving around.
It is cheaper to buy a new one. Expecially with the help of the ATO.
I am not saying this is a good thing, but it is fact.

- its just a matter of time how long it takes until it is needed.
Batteries in these sort of situations only last a certain number of
charge cycles - fail to hold enough charge eventually and need to be
replaced.

So last mellenium.

I guess this is to ensure that you cant remove the battery and
stop the GPS running so they can continue to track you and spy on
you even when you turn it off ?

Who are they?
[looking for foil hat]

Should I be alert or alarmed?


Maybe you need to read up on apple caught logging user location data
and forwarding it to Apple.
It is a breach of the users privacy and rights to privacy. Even
putting aside the bad uses of this sort of technology by bent
governments and authorities, I do not want corporations logging data,
logging keywords from calls, SMS (or conversations even off the phone)
of where I go, when and where I shop, what I buy, How much, how often,
and this being onsold to other companies to help them con me into
buying more crap I do not want through "targeted advertising",
unsolicited calls, spam and junk mail.

I have read about that. It took two days I think Apple to come up with a
fix. The purpose of the file was for the use of other applications. Data
was never sent back to Apple. The problem with the file was it was
easily accessed (even on the PC) and this in turn allowed others to see
where one has been.
I put it to you that all platforms have the capability of doing this.

I wonder what on earth you are doing on a tech forum, you sound more
like an average consumer to me with little tech knowledgs.

Sounds like a great reason to be on a tech forum.
What is your point?

I have owned smart phones since O2 Atoms and before that, PPC.

What is it you can do on any of these that you are unable to do
on the others?

**Who gives a crap? I use a 'phone for (gasp!) making 'phone
calls. Anything else is just bling.

Only bling if you are waving it about.
I have used camera on phones transfer to pc since infared was the
go. Outlook maybe not as long but unable to live without.
I also love having music wherever I go without rings on my fingers
and bells on my toes.
Email is noice.
Maps handy.
Tapnews is a great time filler... usenet.

But you are right..... there is a lot of bling about, on all the
"smart" phones now.

**Yep.

With SMART phones I think some should remember, just because you
could doesn't mean you should.

Personally I don't see putting all of ones data into a mobile device
that is connected to multiple wirelss networks to be so smart.
People said that about PC's though.

--

 

[Jeßus]

On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 13:21:24 +0800, Fraser Johnston
<fraser@cjmanagement.com.au> wrote:

On 15/11/11 4:16 PM, Jasen Betts wrote:

We stuck some WD SATA drives in a HP server and although they were
twice as big (capacity) and cost half as much, upon testing they were
faster than the SAS drives we got from HP. The original intention was
to use them for overlapped backups of the main drives, but we are
reconsidering that. (everything is raid 10)

To quote Ice T "Don't believe the hype!"


Don't believe the hype is Public Enemy mate. : )

I was wondering about that... Ice T doesn't sound black to me.

 

[Buzz^|]

On 16/11/2011 10:52 AM, keithr wrote:

On 13/11/2011 7:10 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Got given a 3g 4.2 iPhone,what a useless contraption,Frustrating waste
of time, what use are they?
First of all I do not want music,which seems to be their prime purpose.
I have no intention of ever buying anything from iTunes and it took me
an hour to figure how to get free apps as in the beginning it seemed
that nothing was going to happen until I gave my credit card details,
which I have no intention of.I discovered finally that it could be done.
I tried to download a free eBook reader app nothing happened at least no
indication of anything happening.So I decided to download it to computer
with iTunes, I then synched with phone but got nowhere (did not transfer
to phone)
tried to figure out how to put my own MP3 in phone to use as ring
tone,got nowhere.
Maybe when I get to other house with Wi Fi something might happen.
Almost got the hammer out.
Did manage to put some photos from computer to phone
I have an HTC diamond touch which I have some control over.
Without music being a major interest and a bank account the iPhone seems
a dead loss.
I might see if Wi Fi allows me to download some apps.

I read some figures today, for Q3 2011 the iPhone accounted for 15.0% of
smart phone sales but 66% of smart phone profits.

draw your own conclusions from that.

Best phone is an old style nokia, although the Philips is not bad
either. Makes calls, sms are not a worry , goes a week or more between
charges (the Phillips is a month) is small and because they cost so
little are less likely to get damaged or dropped overboard. Smart phones
are cumbersome and fragile. Tried a n97 for a year or so but got sick of
the battery life and it now is sitting on the desk unused, replaced by a
Nokia classic. When I'm on hollidays (Oz) I have a nokia with the GPS
and web but it is still the small form factor. I live a rough and tumble
life nd big heavy phones get busted too easily, I couldn't imagine being
on a 2 year plan.

--
Brad Leyden
6° 43.5816' S 146° 59.3097' E WGS84
To mail spam is really hot but please
reply to thread so all may benefit
(or laugh at my mistakes)

 

[Noddy]

On 18/11/2011 10:22 AM, CatharticF1 wrote:

Again, that's rubbish. And verifiably quite the opposite of the general
opinion. It's why I don't take your view on this too seriously.

By all means take it whatever way you like. I really don't care, and
it's not like I give a toss about who makes the phone I prefer to use. I
get no kick backs from any of them and have no "favourite" brand. To be
honest I'd never even heard of HTC before I bought the Desire.

However, what I can tell you is that doing a direct "phone in each hand"
comparison I think the Desire (even though it's getting on a bit now)
shits all over the latest Iphone for ease of use, applications,
functionality, support and most of all the camera which on the Iphone
I've been playing with for the last couple of days or so is particularly
piss poor.



--
Regards,
Noddy.

 

[Krypsis]

On 18/11/2011 9:54 AM, Noddy wrote:

On 18/11/2011 10:22 AM, CatharticF1 wrote:

Again, that's rubbish. And verifiably quite the opposite of the general
opinion. It's why I don't take your view on this too seriously.

By all means take it whatever way you like. I really don't care, and
it's not like I give a toss about who makes the phone I prefer to use. I
get no kick backs from any of them and have no "favourite" brand. To be
honest I'd never even heard of HTC before I bought the Desire.

However, what I can tell you is that doing a direct "phone in each hand"
comparison I think the Desire (even though it's getting on a bit now)
shits all over the latest Iphone for ease of use, applications,
functionality, support and most of all the camera which on the Iphone
I've been playing with for the last couple of days or so is particularly
piss poor.



There are millions out there who will disagree with you on that score.

--

Krypsis

 

[CatharticF1]

Noddy <me@home.com> wrote in news:ja2gmh$ab8$1@dont-email.me:

On 17/11/2011 1:01 PM, Fraser Johnston wrote:

What iPhone was it? The camera on my 3GS was terrible. The camera on my
4S is unbelievably good.

It's the current one apparently, and it's complete shit.

Again, that's rubbish. And verifiably quite the opposite of the general
opinion. It's why I don't take your view on this too seriously.

--
CatharticF1

I can't resist no crossing signs

 

[Scotty]

"Noddy" wrote in message news:ja43bc$ktf$1@dont-email.me...

On 18/11/2011 10:22 AM, CatharticF1 wrote:

Again, that's rubbish. And verifiably quite the opposite of the general
opinion. It's why I don't take your view on this too seriously.

By all means take it whatever way you like. I really don't care, and
it's not like I give a toss about who makes the phone I prefer to use. I
get no kick backs from any of them and have no "favourite" brand. To be
honest I'd never even heard of HTC before I bought the Desire.

However, what I can tell you is that doing a direct "phone in each hand"
comparison I think the Desire (even though it's getting on a bit now)
shits all over the latest Iphone for ease of use, applications,
functionality, support and most of all the camera which on the Iphone
I've been playing with for the last couple of days or so is particularly
piss poor.

Regards,
Noddy.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Ive had an HD2 for the last year and its camera is awesome for a phone. Very
impressed and even the
most die hard I Phone users admit that the HTC is better.

The only thing that the IPhone can do better than the HTC is its Apps.

Other than that, why spend the extra $300?


Scotty

 

[F Murtz]

Peter wrote:

kreed<kenreed1999@gmail.com> wrote in
news:63c66822-b417-40e1-ad10-12ac950bcd3f@s35g2000pra.googlegroups.com:

On Nov 17, 7:43 pm, Peter<some...@microsoft.com> wrote:
Trevor Wilson<tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote
innews:9ij0fqFrt0U
1@mid.individual.net:

On 11/17/2011 7:04 AM, Peter wrote:
kreed<kenreed1...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:08ab682c-d7e2-4b30-8462-

bd1a53f06...@g27g2000pre.googlegroups.com



:

On Nov 16, 12:49 pm, Trevor
Wilson<tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:
On 11/16/2011 12:45 PM, Peter wrote:

Trevor Wilson<tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:
On 11/15/2011 4:32 PM, Fraser Johnston wrote:
On 14/11/11 4:24 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

**ALL Apple products have been designed for rich dumbos. A
mate of m
ine
(who has more money than sense) gave me his old computer (a
very nic
e,
i5 machine, with three monitors and three fast video cards
and crapl
oads
of memory), because he was 'upgrading' to a new Apple. Cost
him 4 gr
and.
Looks purty. Doesn't do much more than I can do with my new
machine. Doesn't work any faster either. I loaded mine with
16GB RAM (cost $200.00). His 16GB or Apple RAM was an
$800.00 option. Sucker.

Only if he pays it. Kingston RAM will go straight into his
mac. I've upgraded the RAM and harddrive on my mac. Apple
didn't get a cent for either.

**He already bought the computer, loaded with Apple's
over-priced RAM. They mumbled something about warranty to him
and he caved and paid the big Bucks. Now he is just another
slave to the rip-off Apple machine. Sad. Good for me though. I
ended up with a very nice, pretty quick com
puter for nix.

--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

Apple service is far superior from anything I have experienced
in the p
ast
excluding Japan.

Can you get a replacement phone on the spot under warranty with
the and
roid
phones?

**I've owned cell 'phones since 1991. I've never required
service for any of them. Of course, I've never owned an Apple
product. Perhaps they need frequent service. One could argue
that, at the price demanded by Apple, they can afford to replace
them.

No. Why would someone bag a company for providing (fantastic)
service?

**I'll say again: In more than 20 years of mobile 'phone ownership,
I've never had to find out how good (or bad) the back up service is
for the following companies:
NEC
Nokia
LG
Samsung
Sony
Ericcson

NEC, were hopeless.
Nokia still are.
No idea about LG except their TV's suck.
I owned a Samsing phone once, never again. Had to pull the plug to
stop the synch software that came with it deleting my contacts.
Terrible. I have never owned a Sony.
Ericcson, used to have a couple of week turn around but have no idea
how long now.
Motorolla used to supply loan phones to telstra and service mobile
around Broadmedows somewhere.... are they still made without screws?



I've owned 'phones from all these companies (and several from some
companies) and NEVER had a problem with any of them. Most of my old
'phones have gone to family members and are still operating just
fine.

That is fantastic!
A lot of your family members use used mobiles?

Apple may provide excellent back-up service. They probably need to.
They can certainly afford it, given their rip-off pricing.

Is it a ripp off?
I like service.



I can't say that I have had a problem with any phone I have had
either, except a
LG one where the screen got broken when I fell over.

I have been told replacement screens can cost a couple of hundred
dollars for some Nokias.



After talking about the easy service I got with my iphone fault I
heard that people have had BROKEN screens replaced on warranty.

**Woo-hoo. My Nokia has been dropped more times than I care to
think about. Never missed a beat. No broken screen, nothing. Just
keeps working.

I dropped my latest iphone in a full bucket of water and had to fish
it out, still working. Whats your point? Woo-hoo?



MY Wife's Nokia dropped dead last year. Out of warranty, not
worth mucking about with.
Got an identical one, new off ebay for about
$80 including postage. Was here in 2 days.

Ok.
Now would you sell a smart phone on ebay?
I wouldn't.


That's a strange question and I fail to see the relevance


Think about data security.
Also, there is software that can be installed on mobiles that are more
than key loggers, they trace your location and allow third parties to
listen in to your telephone calls and see your sms/emails.
I would not sell a smart phone on ebay as I nwould be worried about the
data be retrieved.



Where else are you going to sell a phone when you no longer want it ?
Take it to cash converters or advertise it in the classifieds or
trading post, trade it in (if you can these days) and get nothing for
it ?


I wouldn't. Read above.




As for buying a phone, would I have been better off buying the
identical phone from Telstra etc for $200 odd (at the time) and just
toss away $120 - especially to grubs like them ?




I hate Tel$tra now but this does raise a point.
You can spend $80 on a second hand mobile with no warrenty and no
service. For an extra $120 you get peice of mind that an out of box
fault would be addressed and any other faults would be addressed over
the next twelve months.
You are not even saving half the price, risking your security and *





Prior to iphone I had a Nokia N97, that I sent back for repair and
was replaced with a new one just as bad. Still have it. I liked
the FM transmitter for MP3 but now use bluetooth anyway.

Nokia takes hours just to see a tech.

**I've owned several Nokias. Outside battery replacement (which,
unlike iPhones, can be performed by the owner), I've never
needed to have one serviced. They don't go wrong.

Reads like they can get a flat battery. ;-)



I have not messed about with a mobile battery since....... the O2,
apart from having to remove it to insert remove the SIM.

**Replacing a battery is something I expect (and all reasonable
people) expect to be able to do on any portable product. Regardless
of the brand, batteries remain a weak point of any portable device.
Sadly, Apple don't seem to realise this fact.

That is so last mellenium.
I now expect my devices to last.
Simple.
If they are unable to last then I expect to be able to charge easily
in my car, others car, any USB and most homes.
Very simple.


What if you are away from a power source for a length of time, or in
an emergency or disaster ?

I am often. I charge with my motorcycle (power source).


what about when the battery reaches the end of its useful life ?

As I wrote before, that is so last mellenium. How many decades do you
keep your mobiles for anyway?
Contracts are usually 24 months now, this is also the same time period
mobiles are deducted my the ATO so it makes sence to replace them.
It does not make sence to put used smart phones on ebay, purchase smart
phones from ebay or to bag others that simple use one product over
another.



What are you doing on a tech forum ??



* When I did repair mobiles on a contract basis for the likes of Tel
$ra/Optus/Erricson/Nokia/NEC/Motorrola one thing that disgusted me was
how dirty they get. But you would know this, as you place your second
hand mobile to your face and your family are pressing third hand mobiles
to their face....





Exactly.
Do I phone's have internal batteries that cant be replaced by the
owner (easily) ?

Do they need them?


They do, as batteries frequently do not last as long as the life of
the device, particularly if they are used a lot, and discharged /
recharged a lot .



So last mellenium. Phones are replaced before the above becomes an
issue. Just like cars!




Once they fail to hold enough charge for reasonable amount of usage
time, its time to replace the batteries.



Wrong, Its time to replace the phone.
You need to go over your math again. ;-)


One or more spare batteries, and ability to change them without
difficulty are vital if you are going to spend any time away from
power sources for charging,


Why would one need a spare battery if one has the ability to charge?
There are so many ways to charge a mobile now days I feel the above is a
none issue.
Take a laptop and charge off that!




If there is an emergency It could save a life.


You have me sold!






Why would one want to service their own phone?

**Battery replacement is hardly a 'service'. Do you send you TV
remote out for service, when the batteries require replacement?

It was clarified that servicing a Nokia (apart from battery) above.
;-) Plug and play boys.
Not multiple batterys and desktop chargers. So 80's!



so how do you charge your fancy phone then, still needs a charger, and
any sort of charging dock is essentially a desktop charger.




No. A desktop charger (in mobile telephone terms) has always been
optional equipment that allows the ability to charge more than one
battery at a time.




I just want it to work.

**And battery replacement is just one of those things. I always
carry a spare battery for my 'phone, when I'm out. I always carry a
spare battery for my screwdriver/drill too. Making a battery swap
difficult is a sign of bad design.

I would have thought making a battery swap unnecessary was a good
design point.



Battery swap is always necessary eventually



You are wrong. To prove this, look at how many other devices no longer
have the battery swap option. Things are no longer made to last ten
years. Look at the houses going up or the cars driving around.
It is cheaper to buy a new one. Expecially with the help of the ATO.
I am not saying this is a good thing, but it is fact.



- its just a matter of time how long it takes until it is needed.
Batteries in these sort of situations only last a certain number of
charge cycles - fail to hold enough charge eventually and need to be
replaced.



So last mellenium.





I guess this is to ensure that you cant remove the battery and
stop the GPS running so they can continue to track you and spy on
you even when you turn it off ?

Who are they?
[looking for foil hat]

Should I be alert or alarmed?


Maybe you need to read up on apple caught logging user location data
and forwarding it to Apple.
It is a breach of the users privacy and rights to privacy. Even
putting aside the bad uses of this sort of technology by bent
governments and authorities, I do not want corporations logging data,
logging keywords from calls, SMS (or conversations even off the phone)
of where I go, when and where I shop, what I buy, How much, how often,
and this being onsold to other companies to help them con me into
buying more crap I do not want through "targeted advertising",
unsolicited calls, spam and junk mail.




I have read about that. It took two days I think Apple to come up with a
fix. The purpose of the file was for the use of other applications. Data
was never sent back to Apple. The problem with the file was it was
easily accessed (even on the PC) and this in turn allowed others to see
where one has been.
I put it to you that all platforms have the capability of doing this.

Not if you take the battery out.

I wonder what on earth you are doing on a tech forum, you sound more
like an average consumer to me with little tech knowledgs.



Sounds like a great reason to be on a tech forum.
What is your point?






I have owned smart phones since O2 Atoms and before that, PPC.

What is it you can do on any of these that you are unable to do
on the others?

**Who gives a crap? I use a 'phone for (gasp!) making 'phone
calls. Anything else is just bling.

Only bling if you are waving it about.
I have used camera on phones transfer to pc since infared was the
go. Outlook maybe not as long but unable to live without.
I also love having music wherever I go without rings on my fingers
and bells on my toes.
Email is noice.
Maps handy.
Tapnews is a great time filler... usenet.

But you are right..... there is a lot of bling about, on all the
"smart" phones now.

**Yep.

With SMART phones I think some should remember, just because you
could doesn't mean you should.

Personally I don't see putting all of ones data into a mobile device
that is connected to multiple wirelss networks to be so smart.
People said that about PC's though.

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Krypsis wrote:

On 18/11/2011 9:54 AM, Noddy wrote:
On 18/11/2011 10:22 AM, CatharticF1 wrote:

Again, that's rubbish. And verifiably quite the opposite of the general
opinion. It's why I don't take your view on this too seriously.

By all means take it whatever way you like. I really don't care, and
it's not like I give a toss about who makes the phone I prefer to use. I
get no kick backs from any of them and have no "favourite" brand. To be
honest I'd never even heard of HTC before I bought the Desire.

However, what I can tell you is that doing a direct "phone in each hand"
comparison I think the Desire (even though it's getting on a bit now)
shits all over the latest Iphone for ease of use, applications,
functionality, support and most of all the camera which on the Iphone
I've been playing with for the last couple of days or so is particularly
piss poor.



There are millions out there who will disagree with you on that score.

There are millions that have conned into bottled water.
That shows how gullible the masses are.