OT: Problems with Mozilla Firefox

Don Pearce · Apr 24, 2005

On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 18:33:25 GMT, Carl D. Smith
<cdsmith69NOSPAM@earthlink.net> wrote:

On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 20:28:17 GMT, Joerg
notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

A while ago I tried the separate tools Firefox and Thunderbird. Wasn't
happy and went back to the integrated browser. Much more stable. I have
no idea why they started to leave the integrated approach, it just
doesn't make any sense to me.

On my system, I've found the exact opposite to be true. I used
to use Mozilla, and got tired of it crashing every second day or
so, so I downloaded and installed Firefox. After switching, I
recently got a run of 18 days of up time without Firefox or XP
crashing, which is a record for me. And I had Firefox open that
whole 18 days. The random OS crashes that I couldn't correlate
to anything in particular have almost stopped as well.

I'm currently using Firefox on Xandros (a Linux variant) and that PC
has been running for a month or so without rebooting.

d

Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

Joerg · Apr 24, 2005

Hello Jim,

I booted Quicktime completely "off the island"... ALL problems went
away. MAC CRAP ;-)

Way to go. I don't know how serious these warnings are. SW makers try to
create a fear in us that the whole world is going to implode if we take
their SW off the PC.

Even with cookie deletion I had that. "Your PC might not function
properly or at all if you click Yes.... blah, blah, blah". I got pretty
good in ignoring that stuff.

Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com

Joerg · Apr 24, 2005

Hello John,

But I really appreciate the irresponsibility of being able to use my
browser without being reminded that I have 45 emails stacked up
demanding my attention.

AFAIK that can be done with Mozilla by not enabling "Check email server
every x many minutes for mail". Then it should only show anything when
you deliberately open mail and after clicking "Get Msgs".

I usually like that feature though, especially when waiting for feedback
from a client after I sent them a schematic. It's just a small blue
message blurb, no sound (I disabled these) and not in the browser window.

Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com

Jim Thompson · Apr 24, 2005

On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 21:23:39 GMT, Joerg
<notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

Hello Jim,

I booted Quicktime completely "off the island"... ALL problems went
away. MAC CRAP ;-)

Way to go. I don't know how serious these warnings are. SW makers try to
create a fear in us that the whole world is going to implode if we take
their SW off the PC.

Even with cookie deletion I had that. "Your PC might not function
properly or at all if you click Yes.... blah, blah, blah". I got pretty
good in ignoring that stuff.

Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com

Everything is AOK now.

I got the Quicktime "courtesy" of the iTunes installation when I got
myself an iPOD along with the ones I bought for the grandkids (and one
daughter) at Christmas.

Didn't note any particular problem until I installed Firefox.

Although, come to think of it, the TIFF viewer (AlternaTIFF) for the
USPTO site started acting flaky even with IE.

...Jim Thompson
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Jim Thompson · Apr 24, 2005

On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 21:33:48 GMT, Joerg
<notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

Hello John,

But I really appreciate the irresponsibility of being able to use my
browser without being reminded that I have 45 emails stacked up
demanding my attention.

AFAIK that can be done with Mozilla by not enabling "Check email server
every x many minutes for mail". Then it should only show anything when
you deliberately open mail and after clicking "Get Msgs".

I usually like that feature though, especially when waiting for feedback
from a client after I sent them a schematic. It's just a small blue
message blurb, no sound (I disabled these) and not in the browser window.

Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com

Why is it that anyone would even want an "integrated" tool? Sounds
like jack-of-all-trades, master-of-none ;-)

I use Eudora v3.0.5 for E-mail, Agent v1.93 for News and Firefox v1.03
to browse.

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice

480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax

Michael A. Terrell · Apr 24, 2005

Jim Thompson wrote:

Although, come to think of it, the TIFF viewer (AlternaTIFF) for the
USPTO site started acting flaky even with IE.

Jim Thompson

The last time I had to use for some crappy file Quicktime change
attributes to itself for any file it can open, without asking permission
during installation. I had to manually change everything back the way I
wanted, and I dumped QT.

--
Former professional electron wrangler.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

Lord Garth · Apr 24, 2005

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:426C2AF1.1859D51C@earthlink.net...

Jim Thompson wrote:

Although, come to think of it, the TIFF viewer (AlternaTIFF) for the
USPTO site started acting flaky even with IE.

Jim Thompson

The last time I had to use for some crappy file Quicktime change
attributes to itself for any file it can open, without asking permission
during installation. I had to manually change everything back the way I
wanted, and I dumped QT.

You know, that's just like the WMP install, I deselect .wav files and then
it
goes ahead and re-associates them anyway. Yeah, like I want to load a 8MB
plus player for a 32k sound file! I re-associate these with sndrec32 and
if
some S.O.B. has turned on the 'protect' function for a file they don't own,
well
that's just fodder for the trash can.

Joerg · Apr 24, 2005

Hello Jim,

I got the Quicktime "courtesy" of the iTunes installation when I got
myself an iPOD along with the ones I bought for the grandkids (and one
daughter) at Christmas.

Now I start to feel old. Everybody seems to have an iPod these days.
Even our president does. I just can't bring myself to wearing some gizmo
that plays music. Never had a walkman or discman either.

However, we have a piano that sounds just like the ones in the old
saloons and is about as old, then a guitar and a Hammond organ. None of
these can read MP3...

Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com

Joerg · Apr 24, 2005

Hello Jim,

Why is it that anyone would even want an "integrated" tool? Sounds
like jack-of-all-trades, master-of-none ;-)

Creature comfort I guess. Probably for the same reason that people buy
cars such as pickups and Burbans. Hauls the family, hauls lots of stuff,
hauls the firewood, pretty much everything.

My expectations with respect to software are modest. It doesn't need to
be master. Integration allows Wiki storage. Everytime I tried that with
separate SW for read and write I either couldn't do both at the same
time or the PC would hang if I accessed the same file, which you have to
with a Wiki.

With CAD it's similar. I love Cadsoft Eagle. If you find that something
doesn't pan out too well in the layout or could pose an EMI issue you
can change it right then. No need to edit and run a new netlist. It'll
keep schematic and layout in sync at all times.

Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com

Jim Thompson · Apr 24, 2005

On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 00:16:50 GMT, Joerg
<notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

Hello Jim,

I got the Quicktime "courtesy" of the iTunes installation when I got
myself an iPOD along with the ones I bought for the grandkids (and one
daughter) at Christmas.

Now I start to feel old. Everybody seems to have an iPod these days.
Even our president does. I just can't bring myself to wearing some gizmo
that plays music. Never had a walkman or discman either.

I got the iPOD for myself, to listen to books. When I'm flying it's
virtually impossible to get enough knee room to do any work on the
PC... unless I'm Europe-bound, then I fly Business Class. So I listen
to books... "da Vinci Code" right now... but I don't use those damned
little button ear pieces... I use active noise canceling earphones
that cover my ears ;-)

If I want to listen to music I go fire up the 300-CD "juke box" ;-)

However, we have a piano that sounds just like the ones in the old
saloons and is about as old, then a guitar and a Hammond organ. None of
these can read MP3...

Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com

480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax

Jim Thompson · Apr 24, 2005

On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 00:29:10 GMT, Joerg
<notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

Hello Jim,

Why is it that anyone would even want an "integrated" tool? Sounds
like jack-of-all-trades, master-of-none ;-)

Creature comfort I guess. Probably for the same reason that people buy
cars such as pickups and Burbans. Hauls the family, hauls lots of stuff,
hauls the firewood, pretty much everything.

I have a peek-up truck for hauling, and a Q45 for driving ;-)

My expectations with respect to software are modest. It doesn't need to
be master. Integration allows Wiki storage. Everytime I tried that with
separate SW for read and write I either couldn't do both at the same
time or the PC would hang if I accessed the same file, which you have to
with a Wiki.

What's a "Wiki"?

With CAD it's similar. I love Cadsoft Eagle. If you find that something
doesn't pan out too well in the layout or could pose an EMI issue you
can change it right then. No need to edit and run a new netlist. It'll
keep schematic and layout in sync at all times.

Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com

That's why I'm sort of married to PSpice... comfort, and I don't have
to learn a new tool.

If I can organize a BBQ here next Fall I'll show you what a REAL tool
can do (with some embellishments from me and my oldest son

480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax

Joerg · Apr 25, 2005

Hello Jim,

I have a peek-up truck for hauling, and a Q45 for driving ;-)

Country folk out here often do with just one vehicle. Either a crew cab
full size truck with dual tires, Cummins turbo, illuminated running
boards and the whole works, or just a "Texas Cadillac". It used to be
the El Camino but that doesn't really work for people with lots of kids.

What's a "Wiki"?

In this case just an "internal web site" where information I come across
is entered and browsed at the same time. Wiki is, I believe, Hawaiian
for "quick" since it is pretty much the fastest way to collect technical
information and have it available instantly. The term is often used on
the web for sites where everyone can browse and contribute.

That's why I'm sort of married to PSpice... comfort, and I don't have
to learn a new tool.

I would, too. Don't mess with a running system...

If I can organize a BBQ here next Fall I'll show you what a REAL tool
can do (with some embellishments from me and my oldest son

That sounds great.

Now I'll have to tend to the Weber over here. We'll have ribs tonight,
rain or shine. Plus a Merlot and later a Spaten Optimator Bock.

Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com

Jim Thompson · Apr 25, 2005

On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 01:48:50 GMT, Joerg
<notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

Hello Jim,

I have a peek-up truck for hauling, and a Q45 for driving ;-)

Country folk out here often do with just one vehicle. Either a crew cab
full size truck with dual tires, Cummins turbo, illuminated running
boards and the whole works, or just a "Texas Cadillac". It used to be
the El Camino but that doesn't really work for people with lots of kids.

What's a "Wiki"?

In this case just an "internal web site" where information I come across
is entered and browsed at the same time. Wiki is, I believe, Hawaiian
for "quick" since it is pretty much the fastest way to collect technical
information and have it available instantly. The term is often used on
the web for sites where everyone can browse and contribute.

That's why I'm sort of married to PSpice... comfort, and I don't have
to learn a new tool.

I would, too. Don't mess with a running system...

If I can organize a BBQ here next Fall I'll show you what a REAL tool
can do (with some embellishments from me and my oldest son

That sounds great.

Now I'll have to tend to the Weber over here. We'll have ribs tonight,
rain or shine. Plus a Merlot and later a Spaten Optimator Bock.

Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com

480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax

Barry Jones · Apr 25, 2005

Joerg wrote:

Hello Jim,

I got the Quicktime "courtesy" of the iTunes installation when I got
myself an iPOD along with the ones I bought for the grandkids (and one
daughter) at Christmas.

Now I start to feel old. Everybody seems to have an iPod these days.
Even our president does. I just can't bring myself to wearing some
gizmo that plays music. Never had a walkman or discman either.

However, we have a piano that sounds just like the ones in the old
saloons and is about as old, then a guitar and a Hammond organ. None
of these can read MP3...

Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com

You're so . . . analog!

--
Barry

John Larkin · Apr 25, 2005

On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 17:58:27 -0700, Jim Thompson
<thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

What's a "Wiki"?

This is interesting:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page

There's a lot of really useful stuff here. I'd contribute, but the
authoring stuff is, so far, unintelligable to me.

John

Chuck Harris · Apr 25, 2005

Joerg wrote:

Hello Jim,

I got the Quicktime "courtesy" of the iTunes installation when I got
myself an iPOD along with the ones I bought for the grandkids (and one
daughter) at Christmas.

Now I start to feel old. Everybody seems to have an iPod these days.
Even our president does. I just can't bring myself to wearing some gizmo
that plays music. Never had a walkman or discman either.

However, we have a piano that sounds just like the ones in the old
saloons and is about as old, then a guitar and a Hammond organ. None of
these can read MP3...

Don't feel bad! You might actually be doing yourself a favor by not
getting involved with mp3. There is more than a little scuttlebutt going around
the medical circles about how mp3 is bad for your hearing. The reasoning is
that mp3 gains its compression by deleting quieter sounds that are supposedly
masked by louder sounds. This apparently messes with the ear's mechanism for
protecting itself against damage from loud sounds, and damage is done.

Just because the quieter sounds (that are deleted) aren't consciously perceived
doesn't mean that they aren't being heard.

-Chuck

John Woodgate · Apr 25, 2005

I read in alt.binaries.schematics.electronic that Chuck Harris
<cf-NO-SPAM-harris@erols.com> wrote (in
<dKqdnZxZtZSJ_vHfRVn-pQ@rcn.net&gt

about 'OT: Problems with Mozilla
Firefox', on Sun, 24 Apr 2005:

There is more than a little scuttlebutt going around
the medical circles about how mp3 is bad for your hearing. The reasoning is
that mp3 gains its compression by deleting quieter sounds that are supposedly
masked by louder sounds. This apparently messes with the ear's mechanism for
protecting itself against damage from loud sounds, and damage is done.

Can you cite any papers or web articles, please? At first sight, and
even at second, this sounds daft. The audio waveform has a **single**
value at any instant and deleting a quieter sound 20 dB down just
reduces the waveform amplitude by 10% = 1 dB.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
There are two sides to every question, except
'What is a Moebius strip?'
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

Chuck Harris · Apr 25, 2005

John Woodgate wrote:

I read in alt.binaries.schematics.electronic that Chuck Harris
cf-NO-SPAM-harris@erols.com> wrote (in
dKqdnZxZtZSJ_vHfRVn-pQ@rcn.net&gt about 'OT: Problems with Mozilla
Firefox', on Sun, 24 Apr 2005:

There is more than a little scuttlebutt going around
the medical circles about how mp3 is bad for your hearing. The
reasoning is
that mp3 gains its compression by deleting quieter sounds that are
supposedly
masked by louder sounds. This apparently messes with the ear's
mechanism for
protecting itself against damage from loud sounds, and damage is done.

Can you cite any papers or web articles, please? At first sight, and
even at second, this sounds daft. The audio waveform has a **single**
value at any instant and deleting a quieter sound 20 dB down just
reduces the waveform amplitude by 10% = 1 dB.

Honestly John, have you ever heard of google?

get onto google, and enter "MP3 Hearing damage"

-Chuck

John Woodgate · Apr 25, 2005

I read in alt.binaries.schematics.electronic that Chuck Harris
<cf-NO-SPAM-harris@erols.com> wrote (in
<meKdnZhgh4E6b_HfRVn-3w@rcn.net&gt

about 'OT: Problems with Mozilla
Firefox', on Mon, 25 Apr 2005:

Honestly John, have you ever heard of google?

get onto google, and enter "MP3 Hearing damage"

Yes, but you said 'medical circles'. Stuff like that often isn't found
by Google even if it's on the web at all.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
There are two sides to every question, except
'What is a Moebius strip?'
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

Jim Thompson · Apr 25, 2005

On 24 Apr 2005 19:49:49 -0700, "Mark" <makolber@yahoo.com> wrote:

where do you get audio books to download to an ipod?

Mark

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