OT: More Ebay !@#$

[David L. Jones]

As if the upcoming forced PayPal thing isn't enough, I just tried to
leave some feedback for a buyer and got a lovely pop-up message
message telling me the feedback rules have changed and sellers no
longer have an option to leave negative or neutral feedback!, among
other things...
http://pages.ebay.com.au/help/feedback-changes.html

Luckily the alternative is growing:
http://www.oztion.com.au/
Time for me to give it a try I recon.

Dave.

 

[kreed]

On May 21, 1:45 pm, "David L. Jones" <altz...@gmail.com> wrote:

As if the upcoming forced PayPal thing isn't enough, I just tried to
leave some feedback for a buyer and got a lovely pop-up message
message telling me the feedback rules have changed and sellers no
longer have an option to leave negative or neutral feedback!, among
other things...http://pages.ebay.com.au/help/feedback-changes.html

Luckily the alternative is growing:http://www.oztion.com.au/
Time for me to give it a try I recon.

Dave.

Yes, I noticed that silly rubbish too yesterday, also the other
recently introduced methods are listed that are basically "sanitising"
feedback. Ebay seems to do nothing about non-paying winning bidders,
and in some sections (ie CD's) in my experience there would be easily
a 40-50% "non payer" ratio on sales, costing you more and more in re-
listing fees

I signed up to oztion this week, just did the ID verification and will
start soon and see how it goes. Thinking of trying a store - the $5 a
month seems reasonable if it gets good results.

I certainly do NOT intend to put up with Ebay (via compulsory paypal)
ripping the cream (and more) out of any income I make from my sales
and unlike CC merchants in real shops - being unable to pass on the
fee to buyers. its really not worth the effort of listing many items.

Having been a seller on ebay for about 5 years now, I notice a trend n
recent weeks (especially since the controversy over "paypal only"
rules) the number of Ebay buyers is drying up and what is selling is
going for a lot less than it was. - however interest rates and lower
consumer spending could be the main reason for all I know.

This will lead to the bad situation of sellers putting minimum
starting prices for fear of "giving the item away" by starting at 99c

I (as a seller) always liked the .99 starting price with most things
it seems to attract a lot of interest, (competing bids), the activity
makes the item look "alive" and "wanted" , usually a results in fair
and accurate market price, and often would result in a sale at more
than expected price

What Ebay Australia doesn't seem to realise is that if sellers start
doing this, or just not listing/listing less/listing only rubbish they
are happy to get rid of even if its only $1, but nothing of real
value , it reduces the incentive for buyers to browse as often or at
all, as the range is reduced, or the buyer "perceives" something is
out of their price range or not good value. Leads to less bidders,
and less sellers and the vicious circle continues downwards.

 

[rebel]

On Tue, 20 May 2008 20:45:28 -0700 (PDT), "David L. Jones" <altzone@gmail.com>
wrote:

As if the upcoming forced PayPal thing isn't enough, I just tried to
leave some feedback for a buyer and got a lovely pop-up message
message telling me the feedback rules have changed and sellers no
longer have an option to leave negative or neutral feedback!, among
other things...
http://pages.ebay.com.au/help/feedback-changes.html

I noticed my own feedback jumped overnight by about 10% just recently. It
seems they've also changed how they calculate that.

There are two widely discussed ways of addressing the paypal-only situation.
One is simply to build an extra amount into the P&H to cover feebay's paypal
ripoff fee i.e. directly pass it on to the buyer - and even say so in the
listing. The other is cash on pickup (until they kill that off). Of course
whether it is actually cash-on-pickup or nudge-wink-direct-deposit feebay
wouldn't know.

Luckily the alternative is growing:
http://www.oztion.com.au/
Time for me to give it a try I recon.

I wonder if it will actually get any amount of churn out of this fiasco.

 

[rebel]

On Wed, 21 May 2008 04:15:04 -0700 (PDT), kreed <kenreed1999@gmail.com> wrote:

On May 21, 6:31 pm, rebel <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2008 20:45:28 -0700 (PDT), "David L. Jones" <altz...@gmail.com
wrote:

As if the upcoming forced PayPal thing isn't enough, I just tried to
leave some feedback for a buyer and got a lovely pop-up message
message telling me the feedback rules have changed and sellers no
longer have an option to leave negative or neutral feedback!, among
other things...
http://pages.ebay.com.au/help/feedback-changes.html

I noticed my own feedback jumped overnight by about 10% just recently. It
seems they've also changed how they calculate that.

They now retrospectively include feedback from repeat business with
the same seller (backdated to the 1990s) and are dumping negatives by
people who were deregistered, suspended etc etc.
Thats why yours jumped. Take a look at:

http://pages.ebay.com.au/help/feedback-changes.html

Ah so, grasshopper.

There are two widely discussed ways of addressing the paypal-only situation.
One is simply to build an extra amount into the P&H to cover feebay's paypal
ripoff fee i.e. directly pass it on to the buyer - and even say so in the
listing. The other is cash on pickup (until they kill that off). Of course
whether it is actually cash-on-pickup or nudge-wink-direct-deposit feebay
wouldn't know.

Apparently even if its pickup - you HAVE to accept paypal if the buyer
wants to use it, and obviously its hard to charge a postage and
handling fee for pickup if they already have used paypal.

Remember too that the P&H fee will now also be "fee-d" as it goes
through paypal (unless they plan to exempt this portion - which I
doubt) so you have to add on the fee & the portion of extra fee that
the charge generates trying to cover the fee etc etc - into
infinity .

as for putting these things in your listing,

Ebay have ways of telling when you put certain phrases and words into
the description, for example try listing "western union" anywhere in
an item description and it wont even let you upload it as an item,
until you remove those words first.

other "listing breaches" that get your item cancelled include:

Accepting cash through the post,
Trying to charge extra for paypal

Ah, maybe I'd need to do what the shire does with rates. (They don't charge a %
for late payment, as apparently there were legal issues with that AND it was
seen to penalise the finacially challenged. So they loaded the % on - without
announcing it and give a discount for prompt payment.). So I'd load up the
"handling" element, and that comes off for pickup/cash_at_the_door. And NO
paypal at the door.

Im sure they will be on the lookout for anyone mentioning your
suggestions too - unfortunately.

(snip)

I should try putting 'oztion.com.au" somewhere in a listing and see
what the system does

I'm sure they have a crawler with that word in there as a no-no.

 

[kreed]

On May 21, 6:31 pm, rebel <m...@privacy.net> wrote:

On Tue, 20 May 2008 20:45:28 -0700 (PDT), "David L. Jones" <altz...@gmail.com
wrote:

As if the upcoming forced PayPal thing isn't enough, I just tried to
leave some feedback for a buyer and got a lovely pop-up message
message telling me the feedback rules have changed and sellers no
longer have an option to leave negative or neutral feedback!, among
other things...
http://pages.ebay.com.au/help/feedback-changes.html

I noticed my own feedback jumped overnight by about 10% just recently. It
seems they've also changed how they calculate that.

They now retrospectively include feedback from repeat business with

the same seller (backdated to the 1990s) and are dumping negatives by
people who were deregistered, suspended etc etc.
Thats why yours jumped. Take a look at:

http://pages.ebay.com.au/help/feedback-changes.html

There are two widely discussed ways of addressing the paypal-only situation.
One is simply to build an extra amount into the P&H to cover feebay's paypal
ripoff fee i.e. directly pass it on to the buyer - and even say so in the
listing. The other is cash on pickup (until they kill that off). Of course
whether it is actually cash-on-pickup or nudge-wink-direct-deposit feebay
wouldn't know.

Apparently even if its pickup - you HAVE to accept paypal if the buyer

wants to use it, and obviously its hard to charge a postage and
handling fee for pickup if they already have used paypal.

Remember too that the P&H fee will now also be "fee-d" as it goes

through paypal (unless they plan to exempt this portion - which I
doubt) so you have to add on the fee & the portion of extra fee that
the charge generates trying to cover the fee etc etc - into
infinity .

as for putting these things in your listing,

Ebay have ways of telling when you put certain phrases and words into
the description, for example try listing "western union" anywhere in
an item description and it wont even let you upload it as an item,
until you remove those words first.

other "listing breaches" that get your item cancelled include:

Accepting cash through the post,
Trying to charge extra for paypal

Im sure they will be on the lookout for anyone mentioning your
suggestions too - unfortunately.

Strangely if you put foul language in there "shit", "cock" etc for
example (i found this out by accident when listing CD for sale without
checking the track names for foul language first) your listing will
still upload, and will "exist" for the auction time but will not show
up in the "category" and therefore be "invisible" to the public unless
they happen to find it by accident by looking at "sellers other items
for sale" via an "auctiva" gallery, or unless they know the item
number and type it in.

I should try putting 'oztion.com.au" somewhere in a listing and see
what the system does

Luckily the alternative is growing:
http://www.oztion.com.au/
Time for me to give it a try I recon.

I wonder if it will actually get any amount of churn out of this fiasco.

Their amount of churn might not be enough to set the world on fire -
but this Ebay "policy" is certain to be one of the best generators of
publicity and new business for them that they have ever had.

I never even heard of oztion before this ebay rubbish policy hit the
headlines about a month back.

 

[kreed]

On May 21, 6:31 pm, rebel <m...@privacy.net> wrote:

On Tue, 20 May 2008 20:45:28 -0700 (PDT), "David L. Jones" <altz...@gmail.com
wrote:

As if the upcoming forced PayPal thing isn't enough, I just tried to
leave some feedback for a buyer and got a lovely pop-up message
message telling me the feedback rules have changed and sellers no
longer have an option to leave negative or neutral feedback!, among
other things...
http://pages.ebay.com.au/help/feedback-changes.html

I noticed my own feedback jumped overnight by about 10% just recently. It
seems they've also changed how they calculate that.

There are two widely discussed ways of addressing the paypal-only situation.
One is simply to build an extra amount into the P&H to cover feebay's paypal
ripoff fee i.e. directly pass it on to the buyer - and even say so in the
listing. The other is cash on pickup (until they kill that off). Of course
whether it is actually cash-on-pickup or nudge-wink-direct-deposit feebay
wouldn't know.

Luckily the alternative is growing:
http://www.oztion.com.au/
Time for me to give it a try I reckon.

I wonder if it will actually get any amount of churn out of this fiasco.

According to oztion webpage, they have done well out of the paypal
fiasco :

http://www.oztion.com.au/company/pr/releases/2008_05_Apr24_Oztion_announces_growth.aspx

 

[Jeßus]

kreed wrote:

On May 21, 1:45 pm, "David L. Jones" <altz...@gmail.com> wrote:

As if the upcoming forced PayPal thing isn't enough, I just tried to
leave some feedback for a buyer and got a lovely pop-up message
message telling me the feedback rules have changed and sellers no
longer have an option to leave negative or neutral feedback!, among
other things...http://pages.ebay.com.au/help/feedback-changes.html

Luckily the alternative is growing:http://www.oztion.com.au/
Time for me to give it a try I recon.

Dave.


Yes, I noticed that silly rubbish too yesterday, also the other
recently introduced methods are listed that are basically "sanitising"
feedback. Ebay seems to do nothing about non-paying winning bidders,
and in some sections (ie CD's) in my experience there would be easily
a 40-50% "non payer" ratio on sales, costing you more and more in re-
listing fees

I signed up to oztion this week, just did the ID verification and will
start soon and see how it goes. Thinking of trying a store - the $5 a
month seems reasonable if it gets good results.

I certainly do NOT intend to put up with Ebay (via compulsory paypal)
ripping the cream (and more) out of any income I make from my sales
and unlike CC merchants in real shops - being unable to pass on the
fee to buyers. its really not worth the effort of listing many items.

Having been a seller on ebay for about 5 years now, I notice a trend n
recent weeks (especially since the controversy over "paypal only"
rules) the number of Ebay buyers is drying up and what is selling is
going for a lot less than it was. - however interest rates and lower
consumer spending could be the main reason for all I know.

I'm a reasonably large eBay seller, but I can see a bright side to all
this. I've long resented the stranglehold eBay has had with online
'auctions', especially since Sold.com.au folded. I think these recent
changes will be the last straw for a significant amount of people, I too
have noticed the drop off and also notices how Oztion is really picking
up very recently. So this is all good I'm hoping

I'll wager eBay will back off and at least drop the Paypal bullshit
eventually... but hopefully enough momentum will be behind the
alternatives by then.

 

[bassett]

"Jeßus" <none@all.org> wrote in message news:48373a36@news.x-privat.org...

kreed wrote:
On May 21, 1:45 pm, "David L. Jones" <altz...@gmail.com> wrote:

As if the upcoming forced PayPal thing isn't enough, I just tried to
leave some feedback for a buyer and got a lovely pop-up message
message telling me the feedback rules have changed and sellers no
longer have an option to leave negative or neutral feedback!, among
other things...http://pages.ebay.com.au/help/feedback-changes.html

Luckily the alternative is growing:http://www.oztion.com.au/
Time for me to give it a try I recon.

Dave.


Yes, I noticed that silly rubbish too yesterday, also the other
recently introduced methods are listed that are basically "sanitising"
feedback. Ebay seems to do nothing about non-paying winning bidders,
and in some sections (ie CD's) in my experience there would be easily
a 40-50% "non payer" ratio on sales, costing you more and more in re-
listing fees

I signed up to oztion this week, just did the ID verification and will
start soon and see how it goes. Thinking of trying a store - the $5 a
month seems reasonable if it gets good results.

I certainly do NOT intend to put up with Ebay (via compulsory paypal)
ripping the cream (and more) out of any income I make from my sales
and unlike CC merchants in real shops - being unable to pass on the
fee to buyers. its really not worth the effort of listing many items.

Having been a seller on ebay for about 5 years now, I notice a trend n
recent weeks (especially since the controversy over "paypal only"
rules) the number of Ebay buyers is drying up and what is selling is
going for a lot less than it was. - however interest rates and lower
consumer spending could be the main reason for all I know.

I'm a reasonably large eBay seller, but I can see a bright side to all
this. I've long resented the stranglehold eBay has had with online
'auctions', especially since Sold.com.au folded. I think these recent
changes will be the last straw for a significant amount of people, I too
have noticed the drop off and also notices how Oztion is really picking up
very recently. So this is all good I'm hoping

I'll wager eBay will back off and at least drop the Paypal bullshit
eventually... but hopefully enough momentum will be behind the
alternatives by then.

I can look at this from the other perspective as a buyer, and while I only
buy CD's and music DVD's, I really can't see any difference in the buying
and selling under what will be a new system. From what I can see, the big
sellers are still all there, ands still selling well. plus pay-pal suits
me, as it's quick, easy and probably as safe as any other payment way we
have. In fact I will soon see just how safe pay-pal is as I have a
non-delivery claim going at the moment. But I do buy a large number of CD's
// DVD's so I,m bound to strike a wrong-un, every so often.
With regard to E-bay and the way it treats it's clients, I think they will
always protect there sellers, as they generate more income then the buyers
pay-pal fee's do. And while the buyer can spend there money elsewhere
the sellers are stuck in one place.

This is demonstrated by the review of the negative / neutral / positive
feedback system, and while you can no longer flag a negative purchase,
nothing's stopping you from reporting a bad deal. I had one recently where
the seller wanted "direct deposit" but failed to supply any banking
details, When I e-mailed and asked for details, she said I was rude for
asking and refused to supply details. She then logged a non-payment claim
on me, plus negative feedback. E-bay backed her fully and I was told as
I was uncooperative the bad feedback could not be removed. They once again
backed the seller, even though I had no way of complying or completing the
deal.
Had a Pay-pal only provision been in place, this would not and could not
have happened.

Oztion play the same game with there relationship with the sellers and
the buyers have no protection. I find the prices on Oztion in the CD /
DVD sections to be higher, except one SHONK who should be thrown out
seems to operate with impunity despite numerous complaints. he also offers
free postage, and seems to loose 50% of his postal packages. failed to
deliver, lost in transit, unable to locate order, Then he gets a few
glowing feedback reports, no doubt written by himself, then the shonky
deals start again. and despite many complaints Oztion sit on there hands
and do bugger all

But like all things Time will tell and judge what works and who survives


bassett

 

[Jeßus]

bassett wrote:

"Jeßus" <none@all.org> wrote in message news:48373a36@news.x-privat.org...
kreed wrote:
On May 21, 1:45 pm, "David L. Jones" <altz...@gmail.com> wrote:

As if the upcoming forced PayPal thing isn't enough, I just tried to
leave some feedback for a buyer and got a lovely pop-up message
message telling me the feedback rules have changed and sellers no
longer have an option to leave negative or neutral feedback!, among
other things...http://pages.ebay.com.au/help/feedback-changes.html

Luckily the alternative is growing:http://www.oztion.com.au/
Time for me to give it a try I recon.

Dave.

Yes, I noticed that silly rubbish too yesterday, also the other
recently introduced methods are listed that are basically "sanitising"
feedback. Ebay seems to do nothing about non-paying winning bidders,
and in some sections (ie CD's) in my experience there would be easily
a 40-50% "non payer" ratio on sales, costing you more and more in re-
listing fees

I signed up to oztion this week, just did the ID verification and will
start soon and see how it goes. Thinking of trying a store - the $5 a
month seems reasonable if it gets good results.

I certainly do NOT intend to put up with Ebay (via compulsory paypal)
ripping the cream (and more) out of any income I make from my sales
and unlike CC merchants in real shops - being unable to pass on the
fee to buyers. its really not worth the effort of listing many items.

Having been a seller on ebay for about 5 years now, I notice a trend n
recent weeks (especially since the controversy over "paypal only"
rules) the number of Ebay buyers is drying up and what is selling is
going for a lot less than it was. - however interest rates and lower
consumer spending could be the main reason for all I know.
I'm a reasonably large eBay seller, but I can see a bright side to all
this. I've long resented the stranglehold eBay has had with online
'auctions', especially since Sold.com.au folded. I think these recent
changes will be the last straw for a significant amount of people, I too
have noticed the drop off and also notices how Oztion is really picking up
very recently. So this is all good I'm hoping

I'll wager eBay will back off and at least drop the Paypal bullshit
eventually... but hopefully enough momentum will be behind the
alternatives by then.

I can look at this from the other perspective as a buyer, and while I only
buy CD's and music DVD's, I really can't see any difference in the buying
and selling under what will be a new system. From what I can see, the big
sellers are still all there, ands still selling well. plus pay-pal suits
me, as it's quick, easy and probably as safe as any other payment way we
have. In fact I will soon see just how safe pay-pal is as I have a
non-delivery claim going at the moment. But I do buy a large number of CD's
// DVD's so I,m bound to strike a wrong-un, every so often.
With regard to E-bay and the way it treats it's clients, I think they will
always protect there sellers, as they generate more income then the buyers
pay-pal fee's do. And while the buyer can spend there money elsewhere
the sellers are stuck in one place.

This is demonstrated by the review of the negative / neutral / positive
feedback system, and while you can no longer flag a negative purchase,
nothing's stopping you from reporting a bad deal. I had one recently where
the seller wanted "direct deposit" but failed to supply any banking
details, When I e-mailed and asked for details, she said I was rude for
asking and refused to supply details. She then logged a non-payment claim
on me, plus negative feedback. E-bay backed her fully and I was told as
I was uncooperative the bad feedback could not be removed. They once again
backed the seller, even though I had no way of complying or completing the
deal.
Had a Pay-pal only provision been in place, this would not and could not
have happened.

Oztion play the same game with there relationship with the sellers and
the buyers have no protection. I find the prices on Oztion in the CD /
DVD sections to be higher, except one SHONK who should be thrown out
seems to operate with impunity despite numerous complaints. he also offers
free postage, and seems to loose 50% of his postal packages. failed to
deliver, lost in transit, unable to locate order, Then he gets a few
glowing feedback reports, no doubt written by himself, then the shonky
deals start again. and despite many complaints Oztion sit on there hands
and do bugger all

But like all things Time will tell and judge what works and who survives

I guess it all boils down to if you like paypal or not.
Personally, I don't, and prefer doing bank transfers.

I had to get a Paypal payment refunded this year - it took forever even
though there was no question where the problem lay (the seller)... I
eventually got the 'refund'... one small problem: Paypal's idea of a
'refund' is to credit your Paypal account - no true refund was available
according to them.

I also plain don't like that Paypal and eBay are owned by the same
company... and I especially have resented the increasingly overt way
they've been shoving it down our throats. EG, when checking out in eBay
to pay for an item, in recent months the Paypal option is large and
prominent, almost implying that is the only option - bank deposit is
down below in small type.

Anyway, thats just how it is I guess.

As for Oztion, I can recall soon after it started - whoever is running
that show would often go through the seller's feedback and remove all
the negative feedbacks... I remember that quite well.

What can you do - they all suck one way or the other, one just has to
make their choices I suppose. Ultimately, the online auction thing has
been a great thing.

 

[David L. Jones]

"Jeßus" <none@all.org> wrote in message news:4837f590@news.x-privat.org...

I guess it all boils down to if you like paypal or not.

I don't think so. It's all about Ebay just being plain evil and not giving
anyone any option any more.
Forever upping fees and now trying to screw everyone that one last time.
It's been going on for many years now, but this latest one is the mother of
all screwjobs.
I can't imagine what they will want to do next.

Personally, I don't, and prefer doing bank transfers.

I actually like PayPal as a service, it's ridiculously convenient for both
buyer and seller, inside and outside of eBay. Much more convenient than bank
transfers. Fees aside of course.

I also plain don't like that Paypal and eBay are owned by the same
company...

That's what everyone hates. But it wasn't so bad until all this forced crap
started though.

and I especially have resented the increasingly overt way they've been
shoving it down our throats. EG, when checking out in eBay to pay for an
item, in recent months the Paypal option is large and prominent, almost
implying that is the only option - bank deposit is down below in small
type.

There are many more examples like that too.
They are the masters of visual and interactive manipulation.

Dave.

 

[rebel]

On Sat, 24 May 2008 19:39:58 +1000, "bassett" <bassett@bassettskennel.com.au>
wrote:

(snip)

This is demonstrated by the review of the negative / neutral / positive
feedback system, and while you can no longer flag a negative purchase,
nothing's stopping you from reporting a bad deal. I had one recently where
the seller wanted "direct deposit" but failed to supply any banking
details, When I e-mailed and asked for details, she said I was rude for
asking and refused to supply details. She then logged a non-payment claim
on me, plus negative feedback. E-bay backed her fully and I was told as
I was uncooperative the bad feedback could not be removed. They once again
backed the seller, even though I had no way of complying or completing the
deal.
Had a Pay-pal only provision been in place, this would not and could not
have happened.

Not necessarily. You are just as reliant on the seller providing their paypal
account info (address) as the direct deposit banking details.

 

[Joe]

"kreed" <kenreed1999@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:b22594a9-8784-4918-8e4a-a4f7006f2841@z16g2000prn.googlegroups.com...

On May 21, 1:45 pm, "David L. Jones" <altz...@gmail.com> wrote:

As if the upcoming forced PayPal thing isn't enough, I just tried to
leave some feedback for a buyer and got a lovely pop-up message
message telling me the feedback rules have changed and sellers no
longer have an option to leave negative or neutral feedback!, among
other things...http://pages.ebay.com.au/help/feedback-changes.html

Luckily the alternative is growing:http://www.oztion.com.au/
Time for me to give it a try I recon.

Dave.


Yes, I noticed that silly rubbish too yesterday, also the other
recently introduced methods are listed that are basically "sanitising"
feedback. Ebay seems to do nothing about non-paying winning bidders,
and in some sections (ie CD's) in my experience there would be easily
a 40-50% "non payer" ratio on sales, costing you more and more in re-
listing fees

I signed up to oztion this week, just did the ID verification and will
start soon and see how it goes. Thinking of trying a store - the $5 a
month seems reasonable if it gets good results.

I certainly do NOT intend to put up with Ebay (via compulsory paypal)
ripping the cream (and more) out of any income I make from my sales
and unlike CC merchants in real shops - being unable to pass on the
fee to buyers. its really not worth the effort of listing many items.

Having been a seller on ebay for about 5 years now, I notice a trend n
recent weeks (especially since the controversy over "paypal only"
rules) the number of Ebay buyers is drying up and what is selling is
going for a lot less than it was. - however interest rates and lower
consumer spending could be the main reason for all I know.

Yep, that could be a factor. I'm a bricks and mortar type retailer and am
finding that business has declined. The mortgage belt is hurting.
Mortgage repayments plus increasing petrol costs plus rising food bills =
less money for other item.

This will lead to the bad situation of sellers putting minimum
starting prices for fear of "giving the item away" by starting at 99c

I (as a seller) always liked the .99 starting price with most things
it seems to attract a lot of interest, (competing bids), the activity
makes the item look "alive" and "wanted" , usually a results in fair
and accurate market price, and often would result in a sale at more
than expected price

What Ebay Australia doesn't seem to realise is that if sellers start
doing this, or just not listing/listing less/listing only rubbish they
are happy to get rid of even if its only $1, but nothing of real
value , it reduces the incentive for buyers to browse as often or at
all, as the range is reduced, or the buyer "perceives" something is
out of their price range or not good value. Leads to less bidders,
and less sellers and the vicious circle continues downwards.

 

[qmod]

rebel wrote:

On Sat, 24 May 2008 19:39:58 +1000, "bassett" <bassett@bassettskennel.com.au
wrote:

(snip)

This is demonstrated by the review of the negative / neutral / positive
feedback system, and while you can no longer flag a negative purchase,
nothing's stopping you from reporting a bad deal. I had one recently where
the seller wanted "direct deposit" but failed to supply any banking
details, When I e-mailed and asked for details, she said I was rude for
asking and refused to supply details. She then logged a non-payment claim
on me, plus negative feedback. E-bay backed her fully and I was told as
I was uncooperative the bad feedback could not be removed. They once again
backed the seller, even though I had no way of complying or completing the
deal.
Had a Pay-pal only provision been in place, this would not and could not
have happened.

Not necessarily. You are just as reliant on the seller providing their paypal
account info (address) as the direct deposit banking details.
How do work that out ???

If the seller (or buyer) does not give this info then they cannot get an
account and therefore no deal.

--
Laurie.
Registered Linux user # 468070

 

[rebel]

On Sun, 25 May 2008 11:58:15 +1000, qmod <qmod@internode.off.net> wrote:

rebel wrote:
On Sat, 24 May 2008 19:39:58 +1000, "bassett" <bassett@bassettskennel.com.au
wrote:

(snip)

This is demonstrated by the review of the negative / neutral / positive
feedback system, and while you can no longer flag a negative purchase,
nothing's stopping you from reporting a bad deal. I had one recently where
the seller wanted "direct deposit" but failed to supply any banking
details, When I e-mailed and asked for details, she said I was rude for
asking and refused to supply details. She then logged a non-payment claim
on me, plus negative feedback. E-bay backed her fully and I was told as
I was uncooperative the bad feedback could not be removed. They once again
backed the seller, even though I had no way of complying or completing the
deal.
Had a Pay-pal only provision been in place, this would not and could not
have happened.

Not necessarily. You are just as reliant on the seller providing their paypal
account info (address) as the direct deposit banking details.

How do work that out ???
If the seller (or buyer) does not give this info then they cannot get an
account and therefore no deal.

Yes, SAME IN BOTH CASES.

Read what he said, then read what I said.

 

[bassett]

"rebel" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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On Sat, 24 May 2008 19:39:58 +1000, "bassett"
bassett@bassettskennel.com.au
wrote:

(snip)

This is demonstrated by the review of the negative / neutral / positive
feedback system, and while you can no longer flag a negative purchase,
nothing's stopping you from reporting a bad deal. I had one recently
where
the seller wanted "direct deposit" but failed to supply any banking
details, When I e-mailed and asked for details, she said I was rude for
asking and refused to supply details. She then logged a non-payment
claim
on me, plus negative feedback. E-bay backed her fully and I was told
as
I was uncooperative the bad feedback could not be removed. They once
again
backed the seller, even though I had no way of complying or completing
the
deal.
Had a Pay-pal only provision been in place, this would not and could
not
have happened.

Not necessarily. You are just as reliant on the seller providing their
paypal
account info (address) as the direct deposit banking details.

Incorrect, IF your registered with pay-pal, it's simply a matter of
clicking "pay now" and everything's automatic,, Not only don't you know
the sellers real name, you don't also have access to his banking details,
Where-as with DD, the seller is obliged to provide BSB and account details
plus a name.

DD is just as easy if you have E-bank, but many maintain that electronic
transfer takes 3 days to register on there accounts, and they seem to use
this as an excuse for late delivery.

bassett

 

[kreed]

On May 26, 12:05 pm, "bassett" <bass...@bassettskennel.com.au> wrote:

"rebel" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message

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On Sat, 24 May 2008 19:39:58 +1000, "bassett"
bass...@bassettskennel.com.au
wrote:

(snip)

This is demonstrated by the review of the negative / neutral / positive
feedback system, and while you can no longer flag a negative purchase,
nothing's stopping you from reporting a bad deal. I had one recently
where
the seller wanted "direct deposit" but failed to supply any banking
details, When I e-mailed and asked for details, she said I was rude for
asking and refused to supply details. She then logged a non-payment
claim
on me, plus negative feedback. E-bay backed her fully and I was told
as
I was uncooperative the bad feedback could not be removed. They once
again
backed the seller, even though I had no way of complying or completing
the
deal.
Had a Pay-pal only provision been in place, this would not and could
not
have happened.

Not necessarily. You are just as reliant on the seller providing their
paypal
account info (address) as the direct deposit banking details.

Incorrect, IF your registered with pay-pal, it's simply a matter of
clicking "pay now" and everything's automatic,, Not only don't you know
the sellers real name, you don't also have access to his banking details,
Where-as with DD, the seller is obliged to provide BSB and account details
plus a name.

DD is just as easy if you have E-bank, but many maintain that electronic
transfer takes 3 days to register on there accounts, and they seem to use
this as an excuse for late delivery.

bassett

if you have a Commonwealth account, it easily takes 3 days for funds
to show up. ANZ its usually 2, but if its another anz customer doing
the transfer its pretty much instant.

Clearance times for non-cash payments seem about 4 days in practice.

 

[swanny]

bassett wrote:

"rebel" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:glfg34td2gd0ln0qppqjrea16v0sqnec15@4ax.com...
On Sat, 24 May 2008 19:39:58 +1000, "bassett"
bassett@bassettskennel.com.au
wrote:

(snip)

This is demonstrated by the review of the negative / neutral / positive
feedback system, and while you can no longer flag a negative purchase,
nothing's stopping you from reporting a bad deal. I had one recently
where
the seller wanted "direct deposit" but failed to supply any banking
details, When I e-mailed and asked for details, she said I was rude for
asking and refused to supply details. She then logged a non-payment
claim
on me, plus negative feedback. E-bay backed her fully and I was told
as
I was uncooperative the bad feedback could not be removed. They once
again
backed the seller, even though I had no way of complying or completing
the
deal.
Had a Pay-pal only provision been in place, this would not and could
not
have happened.
Not necessarily. You are just as reliant on the seller providing their
paypal
account info (address) as the direct deposit banking details.

Incorrect, IF your registered with pay-pal, it's simply a matter of
clicking "pay now" and everything's automatic,, Not only don't you know
the sellers real name, you don't also have access to his banking details,
Where-as with DD, the seller is obliged to provide BSB and account details
plus a name.

DD is just as easy if you have E-bank, but many maintain that electronic
transfer takes 3 days to register on there accounts, and they seem to use
this as an excuse for late delivery.

bassett

PayPal makes international transaction much simpler, where DD is not a practical
option.

 

[Don McKenzie]

swanny wrote:

PayPal makes international transaction much simpler, where DD is not a
practical option.

correct, and a big point.
DD usually attracts a $22AUD international bank fee. It will at CBA,
other banks may vary.

Western Union in many cases, costs more than the product.
So PP simplifies International transactions. A necessary evil if you
deal internationally.

Don...


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[Darryl Ross]

kreed wrote:

On May 27, 8:32 am, swanny
blahgswan3b...@blahbigpondblah.comblah.blahau> wrote:
PayPal makes international transaction much simpler, where DD is not a practical
option.

agree. Unless the seller is a card merchant, I cant think of another
practical way of international buying for the average person.

http://www.paymate.com.au/

Similar to Paypal in that you can make and receive payments, but
Australian owned (afaik) and they deposit the money straight into your
bank account.

 

[kreed]

On May 27, 8:32 am, swanny
<blahgswan3b...@blahbigpondblah.comblah.blahau> wrote:

bassett wrote:
"rebel" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:glfg34td2gd0ln0qppqjrea16v0sqnec15@4ax.com...
On Sat, 24 May 2008 19:39:58 +1000, "bassett"
bass...@bassettskennel.com.au
wrote:

(snip)

This is demonstrated by the review of the negative / neutral / positive
feedback system, and while you can no longer flag a negative purchase,
nothing's stopping you from reporting a bad deal. I had one recently
where
the seller wanted "direct deposit" but failed to supply any banking
details, When I e-mailed and asked for details, she said I was rude for
asking and refused to supply details. She then logged a non-payment
claim
on me, plus negative feedback. E-bay backed her fully and I was told
as
I was uncooperative the bad feedback could not be removed. They once
again
backed the seller, even though I had no way of complying or completing
the
deal.
Had a Pay-pal only provision been in place, this would not and could
not
have happened.
Not necessarily. You are just as reliant on the seller providing their
paypal
account info (address) as the direct deposit banking details.

Incorrect, IF your registered with pay-pal, it's simply a matter of
clicking "pay now" and everything's automatic,, Not only don't you know
the sellers real name, you don't also have access to his banking details,
Where-as with DD, the seller is obliged to provide BSB and account details
plus a name.

DD is just as easy if you have E-bank, but many maintain that electronic
transfer takes 3 days to register on there accounts, and they seem to use
this as an excuse for late delivery.

bassett

PayPal makes international transaction much simpler, where DD is not a practical
option.

agree. Unless the seller is a card merchant, I cant think of another
practical way of international buying for the average person.