OT: If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land?...

[rbowman]

On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 23:42:30 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 22:46:41 +0100, Colin Bignell
cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:

On 10/09/2023 21:44, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land?

You would need to read the terms of the peace treaty to know that and
it doesn\'t exist yet.

Surely they know what\'s planned to go in it? The BBC is already saying
the Ukraine doesn\'t like what\'s in it - to do with not sanctioning
Russia anymore.

Supposedly peace was going to break out before Boris visited and nixxed
the deal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUWJWRn5m6E

In the further adventures of Boris and Natashya they headed to Kiev with
the goof gas gun.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 03:17:37 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 15:01:45 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 9/10/2023 2:46 PM, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 10/09/2023 21:44, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land?

You would need to read the terms of the peace treaty to know that and
it doesn\'t exist yet.

But then, when Ukraine turned over their nuclear weapons, they were
promised that Russia would defend them.

So, how good will the next treaty with Russia be?

https://www.politifact.com/article/2022/apr/14/ask-politifact-whats-ukraines-history-trying-join-/

Let me see.... If I promise to defend you and you lobby to join an
organization specifically created to oppose me if you get in trouble you
better call someone who gives a shit.

Indeed, the only evil people in the world are NATO.

 

[rbowman]

On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 15:56:21 -0700, T wrote:

On 9/10/23 15:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 22:46:41 +0100, Colin Bignell
cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:

On 10/09/2023 21:44, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied
land?

You would need to read the terms of the peace treaty to know that and
it doesn\'t exist yet.

Surely they know what\'s planned to go in it?  The BBC is already saying
the Ukraine doesn\'t like what\'s in it - to do with not sanctioning
Russia anymore.

Sound like a bunch of appeasement, which never works.

What appeasement was necessary prior to the US sponsored \'Revolution of
Dignity\' that overthrew the government that was elected in 2010. The 3100
international observers called it a free and fair election. Yanukovych
received 48.95% of the vote, Tymoshenko 45.47%. In the best Hillary
tradition Tymoshenko appealed but later withdrew her appeal.

Unfortunately Yanukovych did not meet the globalists\' expectation and had
to go.

Why are you supporting the end result of the globalists meddling in the
affairs of a sovereign country? Don\'t you feel a bit of cognitive
dissonance?

 

[rbowman]

On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 17:46:11 -0700, T wrote:

Appeasers cause all the bloodshed and wars.

Those who can not or who are unwilling to fight do all the bleeding and
dying.

War and crime are part of the human experience. The only way to cope
with them is with a strong,
professional military and a functioning justice system. It is the only
way to assure peace.
No one wants to hug a porcupine. Ever wonder why criminals shoot up
\"gun free zones\"? It is because they are low risk targets.

Talk softly and carry a big stick.

Case in point Putin did not appease the globalists\' desire to expand NATO
right up to his doorstep. Unlike Obama\'s red lines his response was swift.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 03:46:48 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 23:42:30 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 22:46:41 +0100, Colin Bignell
cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:

On 10/09/2023 21:44, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land?

You would need to read the terms of the peace treaty to know that and
it doesn\'t exist yet.

Surely they know what\'s planned to go in it? The BBC is already saying
the Ukraine doesn\'t like what\'s in it - to do with not sanctioning
Russia anymore.

Supposedly peace was going to break out before Boris visited and nixxed
the deal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUWJWRn5m6E

Funny how the USA always perceives Russians as villains in films. I bet the Russians do the same with you guys.

The difference is you wimps needed NATO to help you win the cold war.

In the further adventures of Boris and Natashya they headed to Kiev with
the goof gas gun.

Glad to see you spelt it right.

 

[T]

On 9/10/23 20:06, rbowman wrote:

On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 17:46:11 -0700, T wrote:

Appeasers cause all the bloodshed and wars.

Those who can not or who are unwilling to fight do all the bleeding and
dying.

War and crime are part of the human experience. The only way to cope
with them is with a strong,
professional military and a functioning justice system. It is the only
way to assure peace.
No one wants to hug a porcupine. Ever wonder why criminals shoot up
\"gun free zones\"? It is because they are low risk targets.

Talk softly and carry a big stick.

Case in point Putin did not appease the globalists\' desire to expand NATO
right up to his doorstep. Unlike Obama\'s red lines his response was swift.

True and it was triggered by Putin wanting his
land bridge to Crimea.

Instead he got two more members on his door step.

Swift? How long has Ukrainians and Russians
been at war now? 14 years now? And Ukraine
could not get membership in NATO because
they had territory in dispute.

Putin knew this, so the NATO thing is a
little thin especially since NATO clearly
had no desire whatsoever to invade Russia.
Me thinks it was more about the land bridge
and Putin\'s ego.

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 7:43:54 AM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:

On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 14:23:47 -0700, T <T...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 9/10/23 13:44, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land?

Who do you think? Why is it that this kind
of propaganda is now being pushed? And
why are you assisting the propaganda?
What propaganda is that? Even Henry Kissinger said there\'d have to be some Ukraine territory given up for a peace deal and he said it some time ago, too.

Before the Russian attacks had completely stalled and they\'d started to lose territory that they had captured.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 9:55:25 AM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:

On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 15:56:21 -0700, T <T...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 9/10/23 15:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 22:46:41 +0100, Colin Bignell <c...@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
On 10/09/2023 21:44, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land?

You would need to read the terms of the peace treaty to know that and it
doesn\'t exist yet.

Surely they know what\'s planned to go in it? The BBC is already saying
the Ukraine doesn\'t like what\'s in it - to do with not sanctioning
Russia anymore.

Sound like a bunch of appeasement, which never works.

Warmongers always call the peacemakers \"appeasers\" for obvious
reasons. Sensible, civilised people seek peaceful solutions.

Sadly, the current Russian regime isn\'t remotely civilised. Getting rid of them is a necessary part of any long-term peaceful solution, and they have tried to kill quite a few people who were in favour of peaceful regime change.

> Warmongers can go to hell where they belong.

And Putin needs to be sent there as soon as possible.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 12:37:01 PM UTC+10, rbowman wrote:

On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 15:59:56 -0700, T wrote:

On 9/10/23 15:45, Commander Kinsey wrote:
They can fight to the end for all I care, as long
as they stop taking our taxes without our permission
to arm them.

And the next time you Brits want us to send our children to die to
protect you from the repercussions of some stupid thing you pull,
I remember your words.

Had the US sat out WWI arguably WWII would not have happened. Britain took
a dog in the manger approach as the united Germany threatened to become an
economic competitor. France joined in because they were still butt hurt
after trying to put on their big boy pants in 1870 and getting their asses
kicked.

Had the US sat out WWII there would be a working EU, the USSR would have
been destroyed before taking over eastern Europe, and Europe would not be
flooded with third world exploiters that want the benefits of a society
they did not and could not create at home.

If the USA had sat out WW2 Russia would still have defeated Germany. US aid did help the Russians but wasn\'t game changing.

A lot more of Europe would have been controlled by Russia, and the US would have ended up with a lot less influence and no atom bomb.

<snipped what is presumably equally ill-informed nonsense about US domestic polkitics>

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[whit3rd]

On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 8:04:32 PM UTC-7, rbowman wrote:

Unfortunately Yanukovych did not meet the globalists\' expectation and had
to go.

He was voted out by the legislature, and fled to avoid prosecution for his
use of excessive force. He had to go, or defend his actions.

Ukraine had elections and voted in a replacement. Putin spoke of respecting the
\'choice of the Ukrainian people\'. Is Putin a \'globalist\'?

 

[rbowman]

On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 04:36:33 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

In the further adventures of Boris and Natashya they headed to Kiev
with the goof gas gun.

Glad to see you spelt it right.

It is Kiev and the Ukraine. Oder auf Deutsch

\"Weil der Luftraum über der Ukraine nach wie vor gesperrt ist, war
Baerbock in der Nacht wie bei hochrangigen Politikerinnenbesuchen üblich
im Sonderzug von Polen aus in die Hauptstadt Kiew gefahren.\"

Der Ukraine und Kiew.

https://www.zeit.de/politik/ausland/ukraine-krieg-russland-newsblog-live

The Germans do get creative with the comedians name: Wolodymyr Selenskyj

The W substitution is obvious but I don\'t know about the terminal \'j\'.

 

[Peeler]

On 11 Sep 2023 02:03:27 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

In progress? The spring counteroffensive was a bust and October is coming.
The rain in Ukraine falls mainly on the plain and turns it into a sea of
mud. The winter comes and turns it into a sea of frozen mud. Maybe next
year in Jerusalem.

The Russians are claiming another Challenger 2. There is enough propaganda
to go around on both sides but I\'ll apply a variation of Occam\'s Razor.
Which has more effect Russia falsely claiming another tank kill or the
Western media refusing to say the invincible Challenger is all too
vincible? 2 down, 12 to go.

Do you really have to smear ANY tragic event with your perverted big mouth,
you pathological senile gossip?

--
More typical idiotic senile gossip by lowbrowwoman:
\"It\'s been years since I\'ve been in a fast food burger joint but I used
to like Wendy\'s because they had a salad bar and baked potatoes.\"
MID: <ivdi4gF8btlU1@mid.individual.net>

 

[Peeler]

On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 15:59:56 -0700, T(wat), the idiotic trolling and
troll-feeding senile asshole, babbled again:

And the next time you Brits want us to send our
children to die to protect you from the
repercussions of some stupid thing you pull,
I remember your words.

Why? He even gets you to feed him with the dumbest and silliest baits he
sets out for you senile Yankeetards. LOL

 

[Peeler]

On 11 Sep 2023 02:36:53 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


> Had the US sat out WWI arguably WWII would not have happened.

Had the US not produced typical pathological Yankee bigmouths like you, it
would be more respected around the globe!

--
Yet more of the so very interesting senile blather by lowbrowwoman:
\"My family loaded me into a \'51 Chevy and drove from NY to Seattle and
back in \'52. I\'m alive. The Chevy had a painted steel dashboard with two
little hand prints worn down to the primer because I liked to stand up
and lean on it to see where we were going.\"
MID: <j2kuc1F3ejsU1@mid.individual.net>

 

[Peeler]

On 11 Sep 2023 02:17:37 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

https://www.politifact.com/article/2022/apr/14/ask-politifact-whats-
ukraines-history-trying-join-/

Let me see.... If I promise to defend you and you lobby to join an
organization specifically created to oppose me if you get in trouble you
better call someone who gives a shit.

Let me see... if some senile bigmouthed Yankee poster on Usenet continually
sympathizes with what Trump, Hitler and Putin did, it should be clear with
what kind of idiot we are dealing here with. <BG>

--
Trump-, Hitler- and Putin-sympathizer lowbrowwoman about Nazi-Germany\'s good
intentions:
\"At the onset all Germany wanted was to build a road to East Prussia which
had been severed from Germany proper by the Danzig Corridor.\"
MID: <kabnetFft5qU17@mid.individual.net>

 

[Peeler]

On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 15:56:21 -0700, T(wat), the idiotic trolling and
troll-feeding senile asshole, babbled again:


> Sound like a bunch of appeasement, which never works.

Looks more like more and more stinking trollshit is spreading in and
stinking up these newsgroups!

 

[Peeler]

On 11 Sep 2023 03:06:47 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

Case in point Putin did not appease the globalists\' desire to expand NATO
right up to his doorstep. Unlike Obama\'s red lines his response was swift.

MORE sympathy with the sickening Russian psychopath from the resident
pathological bigmouth! LOL

--
Trump-, Hitler- and Putin-sympathizer lowbrowwoman about Nazi-Germany\'s good
intentions:
\"At the onset all Germany wanted was to build a road to East Prussia which
had been severed from Germany proper by the Danzig Corridor.\"
MID: <kabnetFft5qU17@mid.individual.net>

 

[Peeler]

On 11 Sep 2023 03:04:24 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


> What appeasement

Of course the dumbest senile Yankee shit here will keep the stinking
Scottish troll\'s latest trollshit going in these ngs!

--
More absolutely idiotic blather by the resident senile gossip:
\"My mother sometimes made a cherry chiffon cake that started with a
packaged mix. It wasn\'t bad if you squished a slice down to resemble real
cake.\"
MID: <kaldt8F22l6U12@mid.individual.net>

 

[Peeler]

On 11 Sep 2023 02:46:48 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling, trolling
and troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

Supposedly peace was going to break out before Boris visited and nixxed
the deal.

Good grief! Just what does it take to make you shut up your endlessly
driveling senile big mouth, you perverted bigmouthed senile Yankee cretin?

--
Yet more of the abnormal senile gossiping by the resident senile gossip:
\"I never understood how they made a living but the space where the local
party store was is now up for lease. It probably was more than helium. I
often walk over the the adjacent market to get something for dinner and
people stuffing balloons in their cars was a common sight. No more. I\'ve
no idea if there is another store in town.\"
MID: <kafs2nF6vi1U15@mid.individual.net>

 

[Peeler]

On 11 Sep 2023 06:51:12 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

It is Kiev and the Ukraine. Oder auf Deutsch

\"Weil der Luftraum über der Ukraine nach wie vor gesperrt ist, war
Baerbock in der Nacht wie bei hochrangigen Politikerinnenbesuchen üblich
im Sonderzug von Polen aus in die Hauptstadt Kiew gefahren.\"

Der Ukraine und Kiew.

https://www.zeit.de/politik/ausland/ukraine-krieg-russland-newsblog-live

The Germans do get creative with the comedians name: Wolodymyr Selenskyj

The W substitution is obvious but I don\'t know about the terminal \'j\'.

TAKE YOUR MEDS, you abnormal senile bigmouth! Good grief! <tsk>

--
More of the resident senile gossip\'s absolutely idiotic endless blather
about herself:
\"My family and I traveled cross country in \'52, going out on the northern
route and returning mostly on Rt 66. We also traveled quite a bit as the
interstates were being built. It might have been slower but it was a lot
more interesting. Even now I prefer what William Least Heat-Moon called
the blue highways but it\'s difficult. Around here there are remnants of
the Mullan Road as frontage roads but I-90 was laid over most of it so
there is no continuous route. So far 93 hasn\'t been destroyed.\"
MID: <kae9ivF7suU1@mid.individual.net>