OT: Gov wants to kill us..

[Phil Hobbs]

On 8/3/2014 12:49 PM, Spehro Pefhany wrote:

On Sun, 03 Aug 2014 09:21:28 -0700, the renowned Robert Baer
robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:

Two Americans With Ebola to Be Flown Back to US.

Relax. I'm sure it's not the first sample of live Ebola to arrive in
the U.S. The military probably has barrels of the stuff.

I wouldn't want to be the pilot of that little jet spending hours and
hours with virulent hemorrhagic fever patients a thin layer of plastic
away.

There was an outbreak in a primate facility in Reston VA some years ago.
It turned out to be a strain that only infected chimpanzees. See
Richard Preston's "The Hot Zone".

Cheers

Phil Hobbs


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ElectroOptical Innovations LLC
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

160 North State Road #203
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

hobbs at electrooptical dot net
http://electrooptical.net

 

[Martin Riddle]

On Sun, 03 Aug 2014 09:21:28 -0700, Robert Baer
<robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:

>Two Americans With Ebola to Be Flown Back to US.

It looks like it has reached the UK.

<http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ebola-terror-gatwick-passenger-collapses-3977051>

Cheers

 

[John Larkin]

On Sun, 03 Aug 2014 19:28:32 -0400, Martin Riddle <martin_rid@verizon.net>
wrote:

On Sun, 03 Aug 2014 09:21:28 -0700, Robert Baer
robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:

Two Americans With Ebola to Be Flown Back to US.

It looks like it has reached the UK.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ebola-terror-gatwick-passenger-collapses-3977051

Cheers

BBC says it wasn't ebola.


--

John Larkin Highland Technology Inc
www.highlandtechnology.com jlarkin at highlandtechnology dot com

Precision electronic instrumentation

 

On Sun, 3 Aug 2014 11:40:24 -0700 (PDT),
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:

On Sunday, August 3, 2014 1:44:07 PM UTC-4, k...@attt.bizz wrote:


There is nothing that can't be done elsewhere. Basically, they just

try to keep the patient alive long enough for their immune system to

take over.



LOL- moronic idiot from hell advertises his ignorance to the world once again. The hemorrhaging /is/ an immune response...

Like Slowman, you insist on demonstrating your illiteracy. It would
be amazing, if it weren't you.

 

On Sun, 03 Aug 2014 15:24:39 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net>
wrote:

In article <80tst9trr9qegd1g6jmsgkl7g2laricfqt@4ax.com>,
krw@attt.bizz> wrote:

[snip]


There will likely be a vaccine [for Ebola] in a few years.

Perhaps. There is talk of one now.

The real holdup in the US is the need to prove safety in huge carefully
crafted multi-year trials.

If Ebola manages to get loose in one of the major industrial powers,
eventually someone will notice that with 50% to 90% mortality, maybe
it's OK to experiment on the victims. After all, what exactly do they
have to lose?

Sure. Why not, if they're going to die, but it's pretty hard to get a
lot of data on one person if the survival rate is 40%. However, the
CDC has a dismal record of competency, (at least) lately.

 

On Sun, 03 Aug 2014 16:47:31 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Sun, 03 Aug 2014 19:28:32 -0400, Martin Riddle <martin_rid@verizon.net
wrote:

On Sun, 03 Aug 2014 09:21:28 -0700, Robert Baer
robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:

Two Americans With Ebola to Be Flown Back to US.

It looks like it has reached the UK.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ebola-terror-gatwick-passenger-collapses-3977051

Cheers


BBC says it wasn't ebola.

That's what they want you to think.

 

[rickman]

On 8/3/2014 7:26 PM, Phil Hobbs wrote:

On 8/3/2014 12:49 PM, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
On Sun, 03 Aug 2014 09:21:28 -0700, the renowned Robert Baer
robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:

Two Americans With Ebola to Be Flown Back to US.

Relax. I'm sure it's not the first sample of live Ebola to arrive in
the U.S. The military probably has barrels of the stuff.

I wouldn't want to be the pilot of that little jet spending hours and
hours with virulent hemorrhagic fever patients a thin layer of plastic
away.

There was an outbreak in a primate facility in Reston VA some years ago.
It turned out to be a strain that only infected chimpanzees. See
Richard Preston's "The Hot Zone".

There is *so* much more to the story than just that. At one point Ft
Detrick in Frederick, MD (where I am from) got involved. They met with
employees from the private Reston lab in a parking lot and received dead
primates in garbage bags placed into the trunk of their car. I believe
the name of the lab was Hazelton and they have torn down the building.

Had this been a strain that infected humans the body count could have
been huge simply because no one was remotely prepared to deal with it.

--

Rick

 

[rickman]

On 8/3/2014 8:28 PM, krw@attt.bizz wrote:

On Sun, 03 Aug 2014 16:47:31 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Sun, 03 Aug 2014 19:28:32 -0400, Martin Riddle <martin_rid@verizon.net
wrote:

On Sun, 03 Aug 2014 09:21:28 -0700, Robert Baer
robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:

Two Americans With Ebola to Be Flown Back to US.

It looks like it has reached the UK.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ebola-terror-gatwick-passenger-collapses-3977051

Cheers


BBC says it wasn't ebola.

That's what they want you to think.

Yeah... maybe they want you to think that because it's the truth?

--

Rick

 

On Sun, 03 Aug 2014 20:45:02 -0400, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:

On 8/3/2014 8:28 PM, krw@attt.bizz wrote:
On Sun, 03 Aug 2014 16:47:31 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Sun, 03 Aug 2014 19:28:32 -0400, Martin Riddle <martin_rid@verizon.net
wrote:

On Sun, 03 Aug 2014 09:21:28 -0700, Robert Baer
robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:

Two Americans With Ebola to Be Flown Back to US.

It looks like it has reached the UK.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ebola-terror-gatwick-passenger-collapses-3977051

Cheers


BBC says it wasn't ebola.

That's what they want you to think.

Yeah... maybe they want you to think that because it's the truth?

You statists really are trusting souls.

 

[Maynard A. Philbrook Jr.]

In article <53DEC53F.7030300@electrooptical.net>,
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net says...

I wouldn't want to be the pilot of that little jet spending hours and
hours with virulent hemorrhagic fever patients a thin layer of plastic
away.

There was an outbreak in a primate facility in Reston VA some years ago.
It turned out to be a strain that only infected chimpanzees. See
Richard Preston's "The Hot Zone".

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

We still may want to be careful, I swear there are some close
relations here.

You excluded

Jamie

 

[Maynard A. Philbrook Jr.]

In article <9jktt9tdjv0fe7korsoo9u4nugseu7tmqp@4ax.com>, krw@attt.bizz
says...

LOL- moronic idiot from hell advertises his ignorance to the world once again. The hemorrhaging /is/ an immune response...
Like Slowman, you insist on demonstrating your illiteracy. It would
be amazing, if it weren't you.

Go easy on him, he's doing the best he can!

Jamie

 

[John Fields]

On Sun, 3 Aug 2014 20:55:25 -0400, "Maynard A. Philbrook Jr."
<jamie_ka1lpa@charter.net> wrote:

In article <53DEC53F.7030300@electrooptical.net>,
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net says...

I wouldn't want to be the pilot of that little jet spending hours and
hours with virulent hemorrhagic fever patients a thin layer of plastic
away.

There was an outbreak in a primate facility in Reston VA some years ago.
It turned out to be a strain that only infected chimpanzees. See
Richard Preston's "The Hot Zone".

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

We still may want to be careful, I swear there are some close
relations here.

---
Apparently. And, lucky for you, all of you were "staying" at
Beardsley's in Bridgeport at the time, working on the Britannica
Problem.

John Fields

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Monday, 4 August 2014 10:51:28 UTC+10, k...@attt.bizz wrote:

On Sun, 03 Aug 2014 20:45:02 -0400, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:
On 8/3/2014 8:28 PM, krw@attt.bizz wrote:
On Sun, 03 Aug 2014 16:47:31 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
On Sun, 03 Aug 2014 19:28:32 -0400, Martin Riddle <martin_rid@verizon..net
wrote:
On Sun, 03 Aug 2014 09:21:28 -0700, Robert Baer
robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:

Two Americans With Ebola to Be Flown Back to US.

It looks like it has reached the UK.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ebola-terror-gatwick-passenger-collapses-3977051


BBC says it wasn't ebola.

That's what they want you to think.

Yeah... maybe they want you to think that because it's the truth?

You statists really are trusting souls.

Krw only trust his own opinions, which is a trifle riskier.

In fact the BBC has a better reputation for reliability than the UK newspaper, The Mirror, which does get successfully sued for libel from time to time. The BBC is government owned, but politicians don't have any direct or immediate influence on the stories it publishes. This sort of distinction is a little too subtle for krw.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

On Sunday, August 3, 2014 7:26:55 PM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:

On 8/3/2014 12:49 PM, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
On Sun, 03 Aug 2014 09:21:28 -0700, the renowned Robert Baer wrote:

Two Americans With Ebola to Be Flown Back to US.

Relax. I'm sure it's not the first sample of live Ebola to arrive in
the U.S. The military probably has barrels of the stuff.

I wouldn't want to be the pilot of that little jet spending hours and
hours with virulent hemorrhagic fever patients a thin layer of plastic
away.

There was an outbreak in a primate facility in Reston VA some years ago.
It turned out to be a strain that only infected chimpanzees. See
Richard Preston's "The Hot Zone".

My dad, USAMC, was commander of the lab in question at USAMRIID, Ft. Detrick, MD not long after that incident. He loaned me "The Hot Zone" when I went to visit, without comment. I had a *very* odd sense of deja vu as I started out reading what I'd assumed was fiction, until I figured it out--I'd just MET a bunch of people with similar names--those characters--the day before!

Dad introduced me when he showed me the lab. Those were his colleagues.

Small world.

Cheers,
James Arthur

 

On Monday, August 4, 2014 8:56:54 AM UTC-4, David Brown wrote:

On 03/08/14 19:23, fredbloggs wrote:
On Sunday, August 3, 2014 1:13:21 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:


Maybe they can save their lives.

They have saved their lives, we have expensive therapies not
available in Africa. They're both improving and will be fully
recovered soon.

The treatment in the USA is the same as the treatment in African
hospitals - intravenous fluids and try to make the patient comfortable.
Like many virus infections, there are no medical treatments involved -
you just treat the symptoms and help the patient's own immune system do
its job. So the survival rates for ebola patients in the USA are not
much higher than for African hospitals

We've never had a case in the USA.

(though of course they are less
likely to suffer secondary problems, such as getting something else due
to lack of sterilised equipment).

There are experimental treatments for ebola, such as blood transfusions
from ebola survivors (hopefully with some useful antibodies), but I
don't think they are being used in these cases.

Dr. Brantly got such a transfusion, in gratitude, from one of the patients he saved.

Maybe they can learn something.

This virus has been studied intensively for the past 40 years at the
top infectious disease research centers...

Actually, ebola has been rather poorly studied in the west - and
probably most study has been from the viewpoint of biological weapons
(and /of course/ the USA only studies biological weapons for defensive
purposes). There are two main reasons for this lack of interest - it is
not a danger in the west (for many reasons), and even in the African
countries where outbreaks occur, it is a minor disease. Ebola is
popular in the media, but it causes far fewer casualties than many other
nasty viruses (such as Lassa fever), and is insignificant compared to
common diseases such as malaria and measles.

We've got Hanta virus in America, a similar hemorrhagic fever, spread by rodent feces and urine. The particulates can get airborne in arid regions like the American Southwest.

But my dad, who spent the latter part of his career specializing in infectious disease, said the truly scary thing was not AIDs, not Ebola, but drug-resistant TB. Highly contagious, and hard-to-impossible to treat. And 1/3rd of the world's population has or carries (ordinary) TB, giving lots of opportunity for resistant strains to develop.

Cheers,
James Arthur

 

On Monday, August 4, 2014 8:56:54 AM UTC-4, David Brown wrote:

On 03/08/14 19:23, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:

On Sunday, August 3, 2014 1:13:21 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:





Maybe they can save their lives.



They have saved their lives, we have expensive therapies not

available in Africa. They're both improving and will be fully

recovered soon.



The treatment in the USA is the same as the treatment in African

hospitals - intravenous fluids and try to make the patient comfortable.

Like many virus infections, there are no medical treatments involved -

you just treat the symptoms and help the patient's own immune system do

its job. So the survival rates for ebola patients in the USA are not

much higher than for African hospitals (though of course they are less

likely to suffer secondary problems, such as getting something else due

to lack of sterilised equipment).



There are experimental treatments for ebola, such as blood transfusions

from ebola survivors (hopefully with some useful antibodies), but I

don't think they are being used in these cases.

They can do bit more here:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/04/health/experimental-ebola-serum/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Maybe they can learn something.



This virus has been studied intensively for the past 40 years at the

top infectious disease research centers...





Actually, ebola has been rather poorly studied in the west - and

probably most study has been from the viewpoint of biological weapons

(and /of course/ the USA only studies biological weapons for defensive

purposes). There are two main reasons for this lack of interest - it is

not a danger in the west (for many reasons), and even in the African

countries where outbreaks occur, it is a minor disease. Ebola is

popular in the media, but it causes far fewer casualties than many other

nasty viruses (such as Lassa fever), and is insignificant compared to

common diseases such as malaria and measles.

That's absolutely untrue, U.S. puts 100s $M annual into third world disease research. NIH has been funding ebola vaccine development for at least 30 years.

 

[David Brown]

On 03/08/14 19:23, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:

On Sunday, August 3, 2014 1:13:21 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:


Maybe they can save their lives.

They have saved their lives, we have expensive therapies not
available in Africa. They're both improving and will be fully
recovered soon.

The treatment in the USA is the same as the treatment in African
hospitals - intravenous fluids and try to make the patient comfortable.
Like many virus infections, there are no medical treatments involved -
you just treat the symptoms and help the patient's own immune system do
its job. So the survival rates for ebola patients in the USA are not
much higher than for African hospitals (though of course they are less
likely to suffer secondary problems, such as getting something else due
to lack of sterilised equipment).

There are experimental treatments for ebola, such as blood transfusions
from ebola survivors (hopefully with some useful antibodies), but I
don't think they are being used in these cases.

Maybe they can learn something.

This virus has been studied intensively for the past 40 years at the
top infectious disease research centers...

Actually, ebola has been rather poorly studied in the west - and
probably most study has been from the viewpoint of biological weapons
(and /of course/ the USA only studies biological weapons for defensive
purposes). There are two main reasons for this lack of interest - it is
not a danger in the west (for many reasons), and even in the African
countries where outbreaks occur, it is a minor disease. Ebola is
popular in the media, but it causes far fewer casualties than many other
nasty viruses (such as Lassa fever), and is insignificant compared to
common diseases such as malaria and measles.

 

On Monday, August 4, 2014 9:45:11 AM UTC-4, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:

> But my dad, who spent the latter part of his career specializing in infectious disease, said the truly scary thing was not AIDs, not Ebola, but drug-resistant TB. Highly contagious, and hard-to-impossible to treat. And 1/3rd of the world's population has or carries (ordinary) TB, giving lots of opportunity for resistant strains to develop.

Russia is teeming with it, especially their horrendous prisons. It's so infectious that a carrier who sneezes in a cab or bus will leave aerosolized infectious material floating around for hours later.

Ebola is a non-issue, two things working against it becoming a raging plague as the ignorant hysterics imagine:

1) kills victims very quickly
2) symptoms are severe and apparent, ample warning for healthy people to steer clear of them.

These Africans bring this disease on themselves, they've been told to stop eating rats and to keep their food storage areas free of rodents. The original outbreaks were in areas where they had annual tribal festivals entailing rounding up a bunch of rats from the wild and feasting on them. When a people continue to engage in practices they have been told put them at risk for this kind of thing, they really are NOT victims.

 

On Monday, August 4, 2014 10:34:22 AM UTC-4, David Brown wrote:

I hadn't heard that these particular patients had been given such

experimental serums, but it seems they have.



Note, however, that they got them while they were still in Africa. They

did not get more effective treatment as a result of being returned to

the USA. (Not that I have anything against returning them to the USA -

even if their survival chances are not affected, they would be a bit

more comfortable.)



It is a good thing that these treatments are being tried - they may not

have had the usual clinical trials, but the death rate for ebola is high

enough that we should not worry so much about side-effects or other factors.

Monoclonal antibody therapy has been ongoing for more than 20 years. Their treatment was not as experimental or high risk as the ignorant useless drama queen media makes it out to be. The word, experimental, is more of a legal disclaimer than a descriptor in this case. There were plenty of other options available too, hence the move to Atlanta so we don't have to spend $10,000 on transport costs every time they move to a new treatment stage.

The US (including federal spending, drug companies, charities) puts

quite a lot of money and effort into third-world disease research. But

it doesn't put much into ebola research, because it is not actually a

major disease - malaria, for example, is a far bigger issue. It is only

as a result of this current outbreak that ebola is at risk of being a

serious problem and affecting African cities (rather than just a few

out-of-the-way villages), and thus only now that ebola serums and

vaccines are being pushed hard.

Just amazing how much you know... it's not like there are ebola researchers on the store shelf just waiting to be funded by the NIH. They do have credentialing requirements on their funding. The pharmaceutical industry typically does not invest time and effort into small market vaccine development, so the government has to orchestrate that part, otherwise you would have an ebola vaccine already.

 

[David Brown]

On 04/08/14 01:28, Martin Riddle wrote:

On Sun, 03 Aug 2014 09:21:28 -0700, Robert Baer
robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:

Two Americans With Ebola to Be Flown Back to US.

It looks like it has reached the UK.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ebola-terror-gatwick-passenger-collapses-3977051

Cheers

Have a look at the front page of that website to see the "quality" of
the Mirror's journalism. It is a gossip rag.

And the story even points out that it was /not/ Ebola - there was just a
panic that it might have been Ebola, thanks mainly to the scaremongering
of media such as the Mirror.

And even if she /had/ had Ebola, there was no risk to the passengers -
she was not symptomatic during the flight.