OT Bookcase Repair problem

[Rich The Philosophizer]

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 20:07:09 -0800, Paul Hovnanian P.E. wrote:

Rich The Philosophizer wrote:

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 17:31:54 -0600, John Fields wrote:

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 12:35:43 -0700, Jim Thompson
thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

Subject: Bookcase with Shelves supported by brass pins into 1/4"
holes drilled in side walls of bookcase body (oak plywood).

Problem: Cleaning lady stands on edge of a low shelf to reach up to
dust top shelves and rips out two pins, gouging out the drilled holes
:-(

I guess I can fill the holes and re-drill, but I was wondering if
there doesn't exist an over-size insert with a 1/4" hole in it?

Anyone have experience in this area? My Googling only produces how to
do it first time out, not how to repair.

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If you're going to continue to allow her to stand on the shelves, you
might want to consider getting rid of the pins altogether and
substituting them with 1/2" -> 3/4" thick supports as wide as the
shelves are deep and as tall as the separation between the shelves.
Take out the pins for the bottom shelf, place a support for each end
of the shelf at the bottom of the bookcase, against the risers, and
rest the bottom shelf on the supports. If she's going to be standing
on the next to the bottom shelf, then place a support at each end of
the bottom shelf, against the risers, and rest the next to the bottom
shelf on them. You could even secure them to the uprights of the
bookshelf with flathead wood or sheetmetal screws to make them more
secure and not depend on the weight of the books to keep them in
place.

Or you could buy a step-stool. Or find a big box... ;-)

Hire a taller cleaning lady.

One with nice long legs and a french maid's outfit with the little
miniskirt.

This could work, but Jim, apparently, is a self-avowed cheapskate.[0]
Not that that's a _bad_ thing, of course. After all, accomplishing
the same end with the least expenditure of resources could be called
"efficiency." ;-)

Cheers!
Rich
[0] it's in another sub-tangent, never mind.

 

[Watson A.Name - \"Watt Su]

"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
news:ij62p0pcf9h5gu112ilqe0ndvclh1ri4dk@4ax.com...

Subject: Bookcase with Shelves supported by brass pins into 1/4"
holes drilled in side walls of bookcase body (oak plywood).

Problem: Cleaning lady stands on edge of a low shelf to reach up to
dust top shelves and rips out two pins, gouging out the drilled holes
:-(

I guess I can fill the holes and re-drill, but I was wondering if
there doesn't exist an over-size insert with a 1/4" hole in it?

Anyone have experience in this area? My Googling only produces how to
do it first time out, not how to repair.

...Jim Thompson
--

Tell the bitch to keep her feet off the shelf! The first thing that
comes to mind is the shelf falling forward and dumping its entire
contents on the hapless soul. In a way, that's a good Darwin example.
If not that, then the employee suing for workmans comp after falling on
her rump.

Onm any case have the common courtesy to crosspost to at least one
appropriate newsgroup such as rec.woodworking. whatever. Also, a day or
so ago someone created a couple alt.woodworking newsgroups. Why don't
you try one or two?

 

[Watson A.Name - \"Watt Su]

"Winfield Hill" <whill_a@t_rowland-dotties-harvard-dot.s-edu> wrote in
message news:cmr7mq06lp@drn.newsguy.com...

Jim Thompson wrote...

Subject: Bookcase with Shelves supported by brass pins into 1/4"
holes drilled in side walls of bookcase body (oak plywood).

Problem: Cleaning lady stands on edge of a low shelf to reach up to
dust top shelves and rips out two pins, gouging out the drilled
holes
:-(

I guess I can fill the holes and re-drill, but I was wondering if
there doesn't exist an over-size insert with a 1/4" hole in it?

Time to get a little piece of hardwood and break out the wood lathe.

Or a big piece of hardwood and a lathe or whatever and make it into one
of these.
http://www.crafthome.com/subsidiarypages/furniture/302footstool.htm

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Thanks,
- Win

 

[John Ferrell]

I wish I had a cleaning lady, specially one that thorough!

Seriously, cut a few pieces of wood that fit snuggly between the
shelves to carry the load in compression. If you want to make it
pretty put book jackets on them!

While you are at it, make certain the bookcase is anchored to the wall
and cannot topple over on her!

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 12:35:43 -0700, Jim Thompson
<thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

Subject: Bookcase with Shelves supported by brass pins into 1/4"
holes drilled in side walls of bookcase body (oak plywood).

Problem: Cleaning lady stands on edge of a low shelf to reach up to
dust top shelves and rips out two pins, gouging out the drilled holes
:-(

I guess I can fill the holes and re-drill, but I was wondering if
there doesn't exist an over-size insert with a 1/4" hole in it?

Anyone have experience in this area? My Googling only produces how to
do it first time out, not how to repair.

...Jim Thompson

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 20:07:09 -0800, "Paul Hovnanian P.E."
<Paul@Hovnanian.com> wrote:

[snip]

Hire a taller cleaning lady.

One with nice long legs and a french maid's outfit with the little
miniskirt.

French? Gag me with a spoon. However young, pretty Hispanics with
nice tits are easy to find ;-)

...Jim Thompson
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

 

[Chuck Harris]

Jim Thompson wrote:

On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 07:42:11 -0500, Chuck Harris
cf-NO-SPAM-harris@erols.com> wrote:

[snip]

Bondo is a common tool in the furniture restoration trade. It sands,
it stains, and can even look pretty good if it isn't up in your face.

-Chuck Harris


Good old _automotive_ Bondo ??

Yep! My brother spent a number of years working for a furniture
restoration company that did a lot of insurance claims. When they would
find a table with a deep gouge in one of its legs, or some fancy,
uhmmm footwork (you know, those lion's claw legs that are grasping a
ball) they would fill the gouge, or restore the claw with good old automotive
grade Bondo, and smooth, stain and finish. The end result was indistinguishable
from the original. Since Bondo is very sticky, and slightly flexible, it
holds up to the usual motion that exists in hardwoods. If the problem was in
a table top, they would usually use a more traditional repair method.

-Chuck Harris

 

[Paul Hovnanian P.E.]

Doug Schultz wrote:

"Paul Hovnanian P.E." <Paul@Hovnanian.com> wrote in message
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Doug Schultz wrote:

"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
news:ij62p0pcf9h5gu112ilqe0ndvclh1ri4dk@4ax.com...
Subject: Bookcase with Shelves supported by brass pins into 1/4"
holes drilled in side walls of bookcase body (oak plywood).

Problem: Cleaning lady stands on edge of a low shelf to reach up to
dust top shelves and rips out two pins, gouging out the drilled holes
:-(

I guess I can fill the holes and re-drill, but I was wondering if
there doesn't exist an over-size insert with a 1/4" hole in it?

Anyone have experience in this area? My Googling only produces how to
do it first time out, not how to repair.

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

if I wanted to make that a good solid repair I would drill the hole out
oversize and then plug it and and redrill it to original size
router could also work if you have the proper jig.

route out a proper sized piece and then route out the plug
if you were replacing a knot in the wood it would be called a dutchman I
think.

but just a spade bit for the oversizing works well and a hole saw to cut
the
plug.

Just use a spade (or better yet, a forstner bit) that matches the O.D.
of some dowel stock*. Drill out the damaged holes and saw some plugs out
of the dowel slightly longer than the hole depth. Glue in place and sand
to match the existing surface. Redrill 1/4 inch holes.

*get some hard wood for the dowel stock. Something like 1 inch dia.

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if you use a dowel the grain runs the wrong way
that is why I suggested a hole saw.

That's a good point. Even then, I'd cut the plugs out of relatively hard
wood.

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[Rich The Philosophizer]

On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 09:04:30 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 10:30:41 GMT, Active8 <reply2group@ndbbm.net
wrote:

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 12:35:43 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

Subject: Bookcase with Shelves supported by brass pins into 1/4"
holes drilled in side walls of bookcase body (oak plywood).

Problem: Cleaning lady stands on edge of a low shelf to reach up to
dust top shelves and rips out two pins, gouging out the drilled holes
:-(

I guess I can fill the holes and re-drill, but I was wondering if
there doesn't exist an over-size insert with a 1/4" hole in it?

Anyone have experience in this area? My Googling only produces how to
do it first time out, not how to repair.

...Jim Thompson

I'd have figured a W. By God hillbilly would just fill it in with JB
Weld and then use that high falutin' drill guide to restore the hole


Well, for a fleeting moment I did consider just epoxying them back in
;-)

If you have a crayon the same color as the wood, why not? ;-)

Good Luck!
Rich

 

[Active8]

On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 13:18:27 GMT, Fred Bloggs wrote:

Active8 wrote:
On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 12:35:43 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

Subject: Bookcase with Shelves supported by brass pins into 1/4"
holes drilled in side walls of bookcase body (oak plywood).

Problem: Cleaning lady stands on edge of a low shelf to reach up to
dust top shelves and rips out two pins, gouging out the drilled holes
:-(

I guess I can fill the holes and re-drill, but I was wondering if
there doesn't exist an over-size insert with a 1/4" hole in it?

Anyone have experience in this area? My Googling only produces how to
do it first time out, not how to repair.

...Jim Thompson

I'd have figured a W. By God hillbilly would just fill it in with JB
Weld and then use that high falutin' drill guide to restore the hole


What hole? Just embed the shelf support in the filler. What's with all
this sanding and drilling crap.

Sure If you plan to never need to raise or lower the pins - this
gig sounds like an adjustable prefab job. Honestly, though, I was
thinking esthetics and it would be easier for me and my tools to
smooth it over and clean up the excess without that pesky pin in the
way... being pulled on by gravity... in the same direction in which
it failed. Ok, I'm without proper woodworking clamps

Or- get some #8 x 2-1/2" drywall screws
and wind them into the shelf from the outside-or tap some dowels thru:

View in a fixed-width font such as Courier.

| |------------------| | <-- this shelf has
| | | | no exterior drill
| | | | or screw holes
| |------------------| |
-+--- ---+-< <-- needs wooden
| |------------------| | dowels or wood
| | | | filler

--
Best Regards,
Mike