OT Bookcase Repair problem

Jim Thompson · Nov 10, 2004

On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 07:42:11 -0500, Chuck Harris
<cf-NO-SPAM-harris@erols.com> wrote:

[snip]

Bondo is a common tool in the furniture restoration trade. It sands,
it stains, and can even look pretty good if it isn't up in your face.

-Chuck Harris

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Rich The Philosophizer · Nov 11, 2004

On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 11:35:38 -0500, Chuck Harris wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 07:42:11 -0500, Chuck Harris
cf-NO-SPAM-harris@erols.com> wrote:

[snip]

Bondo is a common tool in the furniture restoration trade. It sands,
it stains, and can even look pretty good if it isn't up in your face.

-Chuck Harris

Good old _automotive_ Bondo ??

Yep! My brother spent a number of years working for a furniture
restoration company that did a lot of insurance claims. When they would
find a table with a deep gouge in one of its legs, or some fancy,
uhmmm footwork (you know, those lion's claw legs that are grasping a
ball) they would fill the gouge, or restore the claw with good old automotive
grade Bondo, and smooth, stain and finish. The end result was indistinguishable
from the original. Since Bondo is very sticky, and slightly flexible, it
holds up to the usual motion that exists in hardwoods. If the problem was in
a table top, they would usually use a more traditional repair method.

It's true - Bondo is pretty neat stuff. But you have to be really careful

mixing the catalyst, or either be really quick. My first time I used it,
I was stirring the pot, and suddenly, the whole thing set, like, NOW. I
used a little less catalyst for my next shot, and it came out just right.

Cheers!
Rich

Active8 · Nov 11, 2004

On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 08:32:02 GMT, Rich The Philosophizer wrote:

On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 09:04:30 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 10:30:41 GMT, Active8 <reply2group@ndbbm.net
wrote:

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 12:35:43 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

Subject: Bookcase with Shelves supported by brass pins into 1/4"
holes drilled in side walls of bookcase body (oak plywood).

Problem: Cleaning lady stands on edge of a low shelf to reach up to
dust top shelves and rips out two pins, gouging out the drilled holes
:-(

I guess I can fill the holes and re-drill, but I was wondering if
there doesn't exist an over-size insert with a 1/4" hole in it?

Anyone have experience in this area? My Googling only produces how to
do it first time out, not how to repair.

...Jim Thompson

I'd have figured a W. By God hillbilly would just fill it in with JB
Weld and then use that high falutin' drill guide to restore the hole

Well, for a fleeting moment I did consider just epoxying them back in
;-)

If you have a crayon the same color as the wood, why not? ;-)

I've used those. I think you could draw on the JB Weld with one.

--
Best Regards,
Mike

Active8 · Nov 11, 2004

On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 09:04:30 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 10:30:41 GMT, Active8 <reply2group@ndbbm.net
wrote:

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 12:35:43 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

Subject: Bookcase with Shelves supported by brass pins into 1/4"
holes drilled in side walls of bookcase body (oak plywood).

Problem: Cleaning lady stands on edge of a low shelf to reach up to
dust top shelves and rips out two pins, gouging out the drilled holes
:-(

I guess I can fill the holes and re-drill, but I was wondering if
there doesn't exist an over-size insert with a 1/4" hole in it?

Anyone have experience in this area? My Googling only produces how to
do it first time out, not how to repair.

...Jim Thompson

I'd have figured a W. By God hillbilly would just fill it in with JB
Weld and then use that high falutin' drill guide to restore the hole

Well, for a fleeting moment I did consider just epoxying them back in
;-)

If its the and of the shelf plank that's split it might not work. I

suppose an angle bracket would be esthetically unacceptable.

You could probably use a taller serving wench, too

--
Best Regards,
Mike

Active8 · Nov 11, 2004

On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 07:42:11 -0500, Chuck Harris wrote:

Active8 wrote:
On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 12:35:43 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

Subject: Bookcase with Shelves supported by brass pins into 1/4"
holes drilled in side walls of bookcase body (oak plywood).

Problem: Cleaning lady stands on edge of a low shelf to reach up to
dust top shelves and rips out two pins, gouging out the drilled holes
:-(

I guess I can fill the holes and re-drill, but I was wondering if
there doesn't exist an over-size insert with a 1/4" hole in it?

Anyone have experience in this area? My Googling only produces how to
do it first time out, not how to repair.

...Jim Thompson

I'd have figured a W. By God hillbilly would just fill it in with JB
Weld and then use that high falutin' drill guide to restore the hole

Bondo is a common tool in the furniture restoration trade. It sands,
it stains, and can even look pretty good if it isn't up in your face.

Not strong enough for Jim's app. I't great for cosmetic repairs.

--
Best Regards,
Mike

Roger Hamlett · Nov 11, 2004

"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
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Subject: Bookcase with Shelves supported by brass pins into 1/4"
holes drilled in side walls of bookcase body (oak plywood).

Problem: Cleaning lady stands on edge of a low shelf to reach up to
dust top shelves and rips out two pins, gouging out the drilled holes
:-(

I guess I can fill the holes and re-drill, but I was wondering if
there doesn't exist an over-size insert with a 1/4" hole in it?

Anyone have experience in this area? My Googling only produces how to
do it first time out, not how to repair.
I think I'd suggest getting some Tuffnel rod. Drilling this 1/4", and

cutting disks, the depth of the original hole. Then drill new blind holes
the size of the Tuffnel rod, and epoxy the disks into the holes. Tuffnel
is close in colour to oak, and if necessary, you could even paint grain
structures on the surface. This will be far stronger, and durable in the
long term.
Funnily, I have an old bookcase, which has ivory inserts round the holes
used for the shelf pegs, presumably to make them fit better, and be
stronger.
Then supply a good pair of steps.

Best Wishes

Active8 · Nov 11, 2004

On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 13:42:16 GMT, Fred Bloggs wrote:

John Ferrell wrote:

While you are at it, make certain the bookcase is anchored to the wall
and cannot topple over on her!

Hehe- the price he pays for going with the low bidder

ROFL.

She will burn
the house down next...

But the barbeque will still be functional so he can just camp in the
RV

or use the toilet brush on the sink fixtures or...

That conjures up all kinds of ugly stuff. I'd have my toothbrush
locked up, make her eat the food first...

Hey, I like John's reply, though, also.
--
Best Regards,
Mike

Tony Williams · Nov 11, 2004

In article <wqHkd.57$AD5.29@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net>,

I think I'd suggest getting some Tuffnel rod. Drilling this 1/4",
and cutting disks, the depth of the original hole. Then drill new
blind holes the size of the Tuffnel rod, and epoxy the disks into
the holes.

I think I'd just go out and buy a pair of brown
plastic shelf brackets. Lay the bookcase on
it's side and hide the brackets in underneath
the shelf.

--
Tony Williams.

Doug Schultz · Nov 12, 2004

"Active8" <reply2group@ndbbm.net> wrote in message
news:1w1b650xl0kfz.dlg@news.individual.net...

On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 13:18:27 GMT, Fred Bloggs wrote:

Active8 wrote:
On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 12:35:43 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

Subject: Bookcase with Shelves supported by brass pins into 1/4"
holes drilled in side walls of bookcase body (oak plywood).

Problem: Cleaning lady stands on edge of a low shelf to reach up to
dust top shelves and rips out two pins, gouging out the drilled holes
:-(

I guess I can fill the holes and re-drill, but I was wondering if
there doesn't exist an over-size insert with a 1/4" hole in it?

Anyone have experience in this area? My Googling only produces how to
do it first time out, not how to repair.

...Jim Thompson

I'd have figured a W. By God hillbilly would just fill it in with JB
Weld and then use that high falutin' drill guide to restore the hole

What hole? Just embed the shelf support in the filler. What's with all
this sanding and drilling crap.

Sure If you plan to never need to raise or lower the pins - this
gig sounds like an adjustable prefab job. Honestly, though, I was
thinking esthetics and it would be easier for me and my tools to
smooth it over and clean up the excess without that pesky pin in the
way... being pulled on by gravity... in the same direction in which
it failed. Ok, I'm without proper woodworking clamps

Or- get some #8 x 2-1/2" drywall screws
and wind them into the shelf from the outside-or tap some dowels thru:

View in a fixed-width font such as Courier.

| |------------------| | <-- this shelf has
| | | | no exterior drill
| | | | or screw holes
| |------------------| |
-+--- ---+-< <-- needs wooden
| |------------------| | dowels or wood
| | | | filler

--
Best Regards,
Mike

If you grease the pins before you set it in the filler you may get away with
fixing it in one move.
not sure what I would use to do this though.
Cooking spray?
like PAM?
then you could just push some JB into the hole and stick the shelf pin in.
all done except for sanding off some excess.

Could work.

Doug

Jim Thompson · Nov 10, 2004

On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 10:30:41 GMT, Active8 <reply2group@ndbbm.net>
wrote:

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 12:35:43 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

Subject: Bookcase with Shelves supported by brass pins into 1/4"
holes drilled in side walls of bookcase body (oak plywood).

Problem: Cleaning lady stands on edge of a low shelf to reach up to
dust top shelves and rips out two pins, gouging out the drilled holes
:-(

I guess I can fill the holes and re-drill, but I was wondering if
there doesn't exist an over-size insert with a 1/4" hole in it?

Anyone have experience in this area? My Googling only produces how to
do it first time out, not how to repair.

...Jim Thompson

I'd have figured a W. By God hillbilly would just fill it in with JB
Weld and then use that high falutin' drill guide to restore the hole

480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax

Chuck Harris · Nov 10, 2004

Active8 wrote:

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 12:35:43 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

Subject: Bookcase with Shelves supported by brass pins into 1/4"
holes drilled in side walls of bookcase body (oak plywood).

Problem: Cleaning lady stands on edge of a low shelf to reach up to
dust top shelves and rips out two pins, gouging out the drilled holes
:-(

I guess I can fill the holes and re-drill, but I was wondering if
there doesn't exist an over-size insert with a 1/4" hole in it?

Anyone have experience in this area? My Googling only produces how to
do it first time out, not how to repair.

...Jim Thompson

I'd have figured a W. By God hillbilly would just fill it in with JB
Weld and then use that high falutin' drill guide to restore the hole

Bondo is a common tool in the furniture restoration trade. It sands,
it stains, and can even look pretty good if it isn't up in your face.

-Chuck Harris

Spehro Pefhany · Nov 10, 2004

On 9 Nov 2004 14:21:23 -0800, the renowned Winfield Hill
<whill_a@t_rowland-dotties-harvard-dot.s-edu> wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote...

Spehro Pefhany wrote:

http://www.leevalley.com/hardware/page.asp?page=40484&category=3,43648,43649&abspage=1&ccurrency=1&SID=
http://www.leevalley.com/hardware/page.asp?page=43649&SID=&ccurrency=1&category=3%2C43648

PERFECTO!! Thanks, Spehro! I knew my experience couldn't be the
"first event" ;-)

Too bad we don't all live in Lee Valley.

.... or were you thinking of joining the diaspora?

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com

Jim Thompson · Nov 9, 2004

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 15:09:32 -0500, Spehro Pefhany
<speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 12:35:43 -0700, the renowned Jim Thompson
thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

Subject: Bookcase with Shelves supported by brass pins into 1/4"
holes drilled in side walls of bookcase body (oak plywood).

Problem: Cleaning lady stands on edge of a low shelf to reach up to
dust top shelves and rips out two pins, gouging out the drilled holes
:-(

I guess I can fill the holes and re-drill, but I was wondering if
there doesn't exist an over-size insert with a 1/4" hole in it?

Anyone have experience in this area? My Googling only produces how to
do it first time out, not how to repair.

...Jim Thompson

http://www.leevalley.com/hardware/page.asp?page=40484&category=3,43648,43649&abspage=1&ccurrency=1&SID=

http://www.leevalley.com/hardware/page.asp?page=43649&SID=&ccurrency=1&category=3%2C43648

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax

Spehro Pefhany · Nov 9, 2004

On 9 Nov 2004 12:01:30 -0800, the renowned Winfield Hill
<whill_a@t_rowland-dotties-harvard-dot.s-edu> wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote...

Subject: Bookcase with Shelves supported by brass pins into 1/4"
holes drilled in side walls of bookcase body (oak plywood).

Problem: Cleaning lady stands on edge of a low shelf to reach up to
dust top shelves and rips out two pins, gouging out the drilled holes
:-(

I guess I can fill the holes and re-drill, but I was wondering if
there doesn't exist an over-size insert with a 1/4" hole in it?

Time to get a little piece of hardwood and break out the wood lathe.

Me, I'd get out a bit of brass and trot over to the metal lathe. ;-)

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com

JeffM · Nov 12, 2004

Hire a taller cleaning lady.
Paul Hovnanian

Reminds me of the old line
"Y'know, if they just got taller girls to start with
those ballerinas wouldn't have to stand on their toes."

Jim Thompson · Nov 14, 2004

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 12:35:43 -0700, Jim Thompson
<thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

Subject: Bookcase with Shelves supported by brass pins into 1/4"
holes drilled in side walls of bookcase body (oak plywood).

Problem: Cleaning lady stands on edge of a low shelf to reach up to
dust top shelves and rips out two pins, gouging out the drilled holes
:-(

I guess I can fill the holes and re-drill, but I was wondering if
there doesn't exist an over-size insert with a 1/4" hole in it?

Anyone have experience in this area? My Googling only produces how to
do it first time out, not how to repair.

...Jim Thompson

480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax

Rich The Philosophizer · Nov 16, 2004

On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 05:14:02 -0800, Andrew VK3BFA wrote:

Jim Thompson <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message news:<9fafp09b7pa6amk0noi6dg1oc5a5ckgkdm@4ax.com>...
On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 12:35:43 -0700, Jim Thompson
thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

Subject: Bookcase with Shelves supported by brass pins into 1/4"
holes drilled in side walls of bookcase body (oak plywood).

Problem: Cleaning lady stands on edge of a low shelf to reach up to
dust top shelves and rips out two pins, gouging out the drilled holes
:-(

I guess I can fill the holes and re-drill, but I was wondering if
there doesn't exist an over-size insert with a 1/4" hole in it?

Anyone have experience in this area? My Googling only produces how to
do it first time out, not how to repair.

...Jim Thompson

More careful examination showed shelf pins to be 5mm diameter x 8mm
depth.

Trivial fix... drill out to 1/4" diameter x 1/2" depth (plywood is
3/4") and use 1/4" pin.

...Jim Thompson
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| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

Simple - drive some 4 inch nails through the sides. Easy as..... (and
quick - who has time for home maintenance stuff when there is a world
of interesting electronics stuff the check out....)

If you're going to do it that cheap, just have the maid ask one of

her brothers if they know a guy - you'll get a professional job
done at about 10% the price of a "real"[0] cabinetmaker. I've used
itinerant laborers before, and they can be pretty impressive. And
if you get two on it, they get really competitive trying to impress
the world with how much better they are than their other brother/
cousin/compadre.

Good Luck!
Rich
[0] i.e., legal, licensed, bonded, unionized.... <shhh!> white...

Andrew VK3BFA · Nov 16, 2004

Jim Thompson <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message news:<9fafp09b7pa6amk0noi6dg1oc5a5ckgkdm@4ax.com>...

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 12:35:43 -0700, Jim Thompson
thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

Subject: Bookcase with Shelves supported by brass pins into 1/4"
holes drilled in side walls of bookcase body (oak plywood).

Problem: Cleaning lady stands on edge of a low shelf to reach up to
dust top shelves and rips out two pins, gouging out the drilled holes
:-(

I guess I can fill the holes and re-drill, but I was wondering if
there doesn't exist an over-size insert with a 1/4" hole in it?

Anyone have experience in this area? My Googling only produces how to
do it first time out, not how to repair.

...Jim Thompson

More careful examination showed shelf pins to be 5mm diameter x 8mm
depth.

Trivial fix... drill out to 1/4" diameter x 1/2" depth (plywood is
3/4") and use 1/4" pin.

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

Simple - drive some 4 inch nails through the sides. Easy as..... (and
quick - who has time for home maintenance stuff when there is a world
of interesting electronics stuff the check out....)

Andrew VK3BFA

Spehro Pefhany · Nov 9, 2004

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 12:35:43 -0700, the renowned Jim Thompson
<thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

Subject: Bookcase with Shelves supported by brass pins into 1/4"
holes drilled in side walls of bookcase body (oak plywood).

Problem: Cleaning lady stands on edge of a low shelf to reach up to
dust top shelves and rips out two pins, gouging out the drilled holes
:-(

I guess I can fill the holes and re-drill, but I was wondering if
there doesn't exist an over-size insert with a 1/4" hole in it?

Anyone have experience in this area? My Googling only produces how to
do it first time out, not how to repair.

...Jim Thompson

http://www.leevalley.com/hardware/page.asp?page=40484&category=3,43648,43649&abspage=1&ccurrency=1&SID=

http://www.leevalley.com/hardware/page.asp?page=43649&SID=&ccurrency=1&category=3%2C43648

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com

Clarence · Nov 9, 2004

"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
news:ij62p0pcf9h5gu112ilqe0ndvclh1ri4dk@4ax.com...

Subject: Bookcase with Shelves supported by brass pins into 1/4"
holes drilled in side walls of bookcase body (oak plywood).

Problem: Cleaning lady stands on edge of a low shelf to reach up to
dust top shelves and rips out two pins, gouging out the drilled holes
:-(

I guess I can fill the holes and re-drill, but I was wondering if
there doesn't exist an over-size insert with a 1/4" hole in it?

Anyone have experience in this area? My Googling only produces how to
do it first time out, not how to repair.

...Jim Thompson

Flanged Bearings are one way. see

http://www.mcmaster.com/

Select: bearings/ flanged/ .25 shaft / select depth and OD to suit the hole / I
recommend the Bronze for durability.

Used these to repair library shelves for a local school.
The trick is to be sure to get the oversized holes centered.

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