One for TW...

[Phil Allison]

Hi,

Trevor Wilson\'s favorite movie is \"The Dish\"
I like it a lot too.

Set in 1969, it\'s an absolute, Aussie classic.

( Only thing maybe better was \" Don\'s Party\" )

Well, the dish techs out at Parkes are at it again:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/mar/25/the-dish-runs-back-to-the-moon-parkes-telescope-to-support-commercial-lunar-landings

May they cover themselves in glory once more !

My god, how old is that dam thing ?



..... Phil

 

[Computer Nerd Kev]

Daniel65 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

Isn\'t Parkes still used for Voyager 1 and/or 2 comms??

\"Although designed and operated as a radio telescope for
astronomical observations Parkes has also been used for tracking
and receiving data from many space probes.

Played a leading role in the reception of the first video footage
on the first Moon walk (Achievement) by the crew of Apollo 11 in
1969 featured in the fictional film \"The Dish\" (see also
Parkes radio telescope and the Apollo 11 moon landing).

In 1979 NASA launched Apollo 13 its third mission to the moon.
Two days into the flight (320?000 kilometres from Earth) an
explosion on board destroyed the spacecraft\'s normal supply of
electricity, light and water. The crew of James Lovell, John
Swigert and Fred Haise were forced to abandon the command module
and crawl into the lunar module. The problem was that the lunar
module only had enough power for 45 hours operation while the
return trip to Earth would take at least 90 hours. The Parkes
telescope, under John Bolton\'s guidance, was central to securing
communications between Houston and the Apollo 13 spacecraft and the
successful return of the crew.

The Galileo probe to Jupiter, the Voyager exploration to Neptune
and Uranus, the Giotto project to examine Halley\'s comet and the
various Mars missions in early 2004.

In January 2005 it was a key element in a global linkup of 17 radio
telescopes observing the descent of the Huygens probe through the
atmosphere of Titan.\"
https://csiropedia.csiro.au/parkes-radio-telescope-construction/

Apparantly now even it\'s too small to pick up signals from the
Voyager probes:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parkes_radio_telescope#Historical_non-astronomy_research

The 70m Tidbinbilla dish they they\'re currently using for Voyager
was itself built back in 1973:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tidbinbilla_Tracking_Station#Antennas

--
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#_ < |\\| |< _#

 

[Computer Nerd Kev]

Daniel65 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

Isn\'t Parkes still used for Voyager 1 and/or 2 comms??

\"Although designed and operated as a radio telescope for
astronomical observations Parkes has also been used for tracking
and receiving data from many space probes.

Played a leading role in the reception of the first video footage
on the first Moon walk (Achievement) by the crew of Apollo 11 in
1969 featured in the fictional film \"The Dish\" (see also
Parkes radio telescope and the Apollo 11 moon landing).

In 1979 NASA launched Apollo 13 its third mission to the moon.
Two days into the flight (320?000 kilometres from Earth) an
explosion on board destroyed the spacecraft\'s normal supply of
electricity, light and water. The crew of James Lovell, John
Swigert and Fred Haise were forced to abandon the command module
and crawl into the lunar module. The problem was that the lunar
module only had enough power for 45 hours operation while the
return trip to Earth would take at least 90 hours. The Parkes
telescope, under John Bolton\'s guidance, was central to securing
communications between Houston and the Apollo 13 spacecraft and the
successful return of the crew.

The Galileo probe to Jupiter, the Voyager exploration to Neptune
and Uranus, the Giotto project to examine Halley\'s comet and the
various Mars missions in early 2004.

In January 2005 it was a key element in a global linkup of 17 radio
telescopes observing the descent of the Huygens probe through the
atmosphere of Titan.\"
https://csiropedia.csiro.au/parkes-radio-telescope-construction/

Apparantly now even it\'s too small to pick up signals from the
Voyager probes:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parkes_radio_telescope#Historical_non-astronomy_research

The 70m Tidbinbilla dish they they\'re currently using for Voyager
was itself built back in 1973:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tidbinbilla_Tracking_Station#Antennas

--
__ __
#_ < |\\| |< _#

 

[Computer Nerd Kev]

Daniel65 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

Isn\'t Parkes still used for Voyager 1 and/or 2 comms??

\"Although designed and operated as a radio telescope for
astronomical observations Parkes has also been used for tracking
and receiving data from many space probes.

Played a leading role in the reception of the first video footage
on the first Moon walk (Achievement) by the crew of Apollo 11 in
1969 featured in the fictional film \"The Dish\" (see also
Parkes radio telescope and the Apollo 11 moon landing).

In 1979 NASA launched Apollo 13 its third mission to the moon.
Two days into the flight (320?000 kilometres from Earth) an
explosion on board destroyed the spacecraft\'s normal supply of
electricity, light and water. The crew of James Lovell, John
Swigert and Fred Haise were forced to abandon the command module
and crawl into the lunar module. The problem was that the lunar
module only had enough power for 45 hours operation while the
return trip to Earth would take at least 90 hours. The Parkes
telescope, under John Bolton\'s guidance, was central to securing
communications between Houston and the Apollo 13 spacecraft and the
successful return of the crew.

The Galileo probe to Jupiter, the Voyager exploration to Neptune
and Uranus, the Giotto project to examine Halley\'s comet and the
various Mars missions in early 2004.

In January 2005 it was a key element in a global linkup of 17 radio
telescopes observing the descent of the Huygens probe through the
atmosphere of Titan.\"
https://csiropedia.csiro.au/parkes-radio-telescope-construction/

Apparantly now even it\'s too small to pick up signals from the
Voyager probes:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parkes_radio_telescope#Historical_non-astronomy_research

The 70m Tidbinbilla dish they they\'re currently using for Voyager
was itself built back in 1973:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tidbinbilla_Tracking_Station#Antennas

--
__ __
#_ < |\\| |< _#

 

[Computer Nerd Kev]

Daniel65 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

Isn\'t Parkes still used for Voyager 1 and/or 2 comms??

\"Although designed and operated as a radio telescope for
astronomical observations Parkes has also been used for tracking
and receiving data from many space probes.

Played a leading role in the reception of the first video footage
on the first Moon walk (Achievement) by the crew of Apollo 11 in
1969 featured in the fictional film \"The Dish\" (see also
Parkes radio telescope and the Apollo 11 moon landing).

In 1979 NASA launched Apollo 13 its third mission to the moon.
Two days into the flight (320?000 kilometres from Earth) an
explosion on board destroyed the spacecraft\'s normal supply of
electricity, light and water. The crew of James Lovell, John
Swigert and Fred Haise were forced to abandon the command module
and crawl into the lunar module. The problem was that the lunar
module only had enough power for 45 hours operation while the
return trip to Earth would take at least 90 hours. The Parkes
telescope, under John Bolton\'s guidance, was central to securing
communications between Houston and the Apollo 13 spacecraft and the
successful return of the crew.

The Galileo probe to Jupiter, the Voyager exploration to Neptune
and Uranus, the Giotto project to examine Halley\'s comet and the
various Mars missions in early 2004.

In January 2005 it was a key element in a global linkup of 17 radio
telescopes observing the descent of the Huygens probe through the
atmosphere of Titan.\"
https://csiropedia.csiro.au/parkes-radio-telescope-construction/

Apparantly now even it\'s too small to pick up signals from the
Voyager probes:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parkes_radio_telescope#Historical_non-astronomy_research

The 70m Tidbinbilla dish they they\'re currently using for Voyager
was itself built back in 1973:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tidbinbilla_Tracking_Station#Antennas

--
__ __
#_ < |\\| |< _#

 

[keithr0]

On 3/04/2021 8:08 pm, Clifford Heath wrote:

On 3/4/21 4:02 pm, keithr0 wrote:
On 2/04/2021 5:45 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 1/04/2021 6:00 pm, Colin Horsley wrote:
On 27/03/2021 6:14 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:



**I visited Tidbinbilla in 2019. The dish is fucking big.


I visited Jodrell Bank in the 70s, that is BIG,  250 ft (76 m)


**That is big.

DSS43 at Tidbinbilla is only fractionally smaller at 70 metres, the
Lovell telescope at Joderell Bank looks a lot bigger because of its
different mount and because it is a Newtonian rather than Cassegrain
focus.

...which also radically limits the size of the equipment that can be
operated right out there at the focus, compared to DSS43.

CH

Are you an old trackie? If so which station(s) did you work at? I did
the full trifecta MSFN at Carnarvon, DSN at DSS41 Island Lagoon, and
STADAN at Orrorral Valley.

 

[keithr0]

On 3/04/2021 8:08 pm, Clifford Heath wrote:

On 3/4/21 4:02 pm, keithr0 wrote:
On 2/04/2021 5:45 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 1/04/2021 6:00 pm, Colin Horsley wrote:
On 27/03/2021 6:14 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:



**I visited Tidbinbilla in 2019. The dish is fucking big.


I visited Jodrell Bank in the 70s, that is BIG,  250 ft (76 m)


**That is big.

DSS43 at Tidbinbilla is only fractionally smaller at 70 metres, the
Lovell telescope at Joderell Bank looks a lot bigger because of its
different mount and because it is a Newtonian rather than Cassegrain
focus.

...which also radically limits the size of the equipment that can be
operated right out there at the focus, compared to DSS43.

CH

Are you an old trackie? If so which station(s) did you work at? I did
the full trifecta MSFN at Carnarvon, DSN at DSS41 Island Lagoon, and
STADAN at Orrorral Valley.

 

[keithr0]

On 3/04/2021 8:08 pm, Clifford Heath wrote:

On 3/4/21 4:02 pm, keithr0 wrote:
On 2/04/2021 5:45 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 1/04/2021 6:00 pm, Colin Horsley wrote:
On 27/03/2021 6:14 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:



**I visited Tidbinbilla in 2019. The dish is fucking big.


I visited Jodrell Bank in the 70s, that is BIG,  250 ft (76 m)


**That is big.

DSS43 at Tidbinbilla is only fractionally smaller at 70 metres, the
Lovell telescope at Joderell Bank looks a lot bigger because of its
different mount and because it is a Newtonian rather than Cassegrain
focus.

...which also radically limits the size of the equipment that can be
operated right out there at the focus, compared to DSS43.

CH

Are you an old trackie? If so which station(s) did you work at? I did
the full trifecta MSFN at Carnarvon, DSN at DSS41 Island Lagoon, and
STADAN at Orrorral Valley.

 

[News 2021]

On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 22:14:12 -0700, Phil Allison scribed:

Clifford Heath wrote:
================


In short, The Dish is mostly a lie, a continuation of the lie that
CSIRO has always told and continues to tell about the centrality of
Parkes in the moon landing.

** The CSIRO are not in the habit of lying.

Unless there is a lot of money, wops substantial research funding.

 

[News 2021]

On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 22:14:12 -0700, Phil Allison scribed:

Clifford Heath wrote:
================


In short, The Dish is mostly a lie, a continuation of the lie that
CSIRO has always told and continues to tell about the centrality of
Parkes in the moon landing.

** The CSIRO are not in the habit of lying.

Unless there is a lot of money, wops substantial research funding.

 

[News 2021]

On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 22:14:12 -0700, Phil Allison scribed:

Clifford Heath wrote:
================


In short, The Dish is mostly a lie, a continuation of the lie that
CSIRO has always told and continues to tell about the centrality of
Parkes in the moon landing.

** The CSIRO are not in the habit of lying.

Unless there is a lot of money, wops substantial research funding.

 

[~misfit~]

On 26/03/2021 8:14 pm, News 2021 wrote:

On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 22:14:12 -0700, Phil Allison scribed:

Clifford Heath wrote:
================


In short, The Dish is mostly a lie, a continuation of the lie that
CSIRO has always told and continues to tell about the centrality of
Parkes in the moon landing.

** The CSIRO are not in the habit of lying.

Unless there is a lot of money, wops substantial research funding.

Mate! You can\'t use words like \'wops\' any more!
--
Shaun.

\"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy little classification
in the DSM\"
David Melville

This is not an email and hasn\'t been checked for viruses by any half-arsed self-promoting software.

 

[~misfit~]

On 26/03/2021 8:14 pm, News 2021 wrote:

On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 22:14:12 -0700, Phil Allison scribed:

Clifford Heath wrote:
================


In short, The Dish is mostly a lie, a continuation of the lie that
CSIRO has always told and continues to tell about the centrality of
Parkes in the moon landing.

** The CSIRO are not in the habit of lying.

Unless there is a lot of money, wops substantial research funding.

Mate! You can\'t use words like \'wops\' any more!
--
Shaun.

\"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy little classification
in the DSM\"
David Melville

This is not an email and hasn\'t been checked for viruses by any half-arsed self-promoting software.

 

[Trevor Wilson]

On 4/04/2021 2:05 pm, keithr0 wrote:

On 3/04/2021 8:08 pm, Clifford Heath wrote:
On 3/4/21 4:02 pm, keithr0 wrote:
On 2/04/2021 5:45 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 1/04/2021 6:00 pm, Colin Horsley wrote:
On 27/03/2021 6:14 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:



**I visited Tidbinbilla in 2019. The dish is fucking big.


I visited Jodrell Bank in the 70s, that is BIG,  250 ft (76 m)


**That is big.

DSS43 at Tidbinbilla is only fractionally smaller at 70 metres, the
Lovell telescope at Joderell Bank looks a lot bigger because of its
different mount and because it is a Newtonian rather than Cassegrain
focus.

...which also radically limits the size of the equipment that can be
operated right out there at the focus, compared to DSS43.

CH

Are you an old trackie? If so which station(s) did you work at? I did
the full trifecta MSFN at Carnarvon, DSN at DSS41 Island Lagoon, and
STADAN at Orrorral Valley.

**I was stationed at Ceduna for a few weeks as a trainee (OTC) back in
the 1970s. Not the same thing, but still a decent sized dish for
satellites. Helium cooled amplifiers, if I recall correctly. That was
not the best thing about Ceduna though. The best thing was West End
Bitter. There were little frozen bits of beer in the jug as it was
poured from the tap.

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[Trevor Wilson]

On 4/04/2021 2:05 pm, keithr0 wrote:

On 3/04/2021 8:08 pm, Clifford Heath wrote:
On 3/4/21 4:02 pm, keithr0 wrote:
On 2/04/2021 5:45 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 1/04/2021 6:00 pm, Colin Horsley wrote:
On 27/03/2021 6:14 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:



**I visited Tidbinbilla in 2019. The dish is fucking big.


I visited Jodrell Bank in the 70s, that is BIG,  250 ft (76 m)


**That is big.

DSS43 at Tidbinbilla is only fractionally smaller at 70 metres, the
Lovell telescope at Joderell Bank looks a lot bigger because of its
different mount and because it is a Newtonian rather than Cassegrain
focus.

...which also radically limits the size of the equipment that can be
operated right out there at the focus, compared to DSS43.

CH

Are you an old trackie? If so which station(s) did you work at? I did
the full trifecta MSFN at Carnarvon, DSN at DSS41 Island Lagoon, and
STADAN at Orrorral Valley.

**I was stationed at Ceduna for a few weeks as a trainee (OTC) back in
the 1970s. Not the same thing, but still a decent sized dish for
satellites. Helium cooled amplifiers, if I recall correctly. That was
not the best thing about Ceduna though. The best thing was West End
Bitter. There were little frozen bits of beer in the jug as it was
poured from the tap.

--
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus

 

[Trevor Wilson]

On 4/04/2021 2:05 pm, keithr0 wrote:

On 3/04/2021 8:08 pm, Clifford Heath wrote:
On 3/4/21 4:02 pm, keithr0 wrote:
On 2/04/2021 5:45 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 1/04/2021 6:00 pm, Colin Horsley wrote:
On 27/03/2021 6:14 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:



**I visited Tidbinbilla in 2019. The dish is fucking big.


I visited Jodrell Bank in the 70s, that is BIG,  250 ft (76 m)


**That is big.

DSS43 at Tidbinbilla is only fractionally smaller at 70 metres, the
Lovell telescope at Joderell Bank looks a lot bigger because of its
different mount and because it is a Newtonian rather than Cassegrain
focus.

...which also radically limits the size of the equipment that can be
operated right out there at the focus, compared to DSS43.

CH

Are you an old trackie? If so which station(s) did you work at? I did
the full trifecta MSFN at Carnarvon, DSN at DSS41 Island Lagoon, and
STADAN at Orrorral Valley.

**I was stationed at Ceduna for a few weeks as a trainee (OTC) back in
the 1970s. Not the same thing, but still a decent sized dish for
satellites. Helium cooled amplifiers, if I recall correctly. That was
not the best thing about Ceduna though. The best thing was West End
Bitter. There were little frozen bits of beer in the jug as it was
poured from the tap.

--
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus

 

[Clifford Heath]

On 26/3/21 4:14 pm, Phil Allison wrote:

Clifford Heath wrote:
================


In short, The Dish is mostly a lie, a continuation of the lie that CSIRO
has always told and continues to tell about the centrality of Parkes in
the moon landing.

** The CSIRO are not in the habit of lying.

But bullshitters like you are !!.

Shame about all the stuff you clipped from my post. You who constantly
berate other people for clipping relevant context!

Video was *never* critical to any Apollo mission, contrary to what Larry
Marshall is reported to have said. The camera was bolted on at a late
stage of development, to the protests of some in the NASA hierarchy, who
saw it as a source of completely unnecessary risk to the mission.

To receive video, they had to disable much of the telemetry that
otherwise used that bandwidth. Search VK2MB on YouTube and you can find
a presentation I gave on the radio communications on the moon landing. I
have emails here from Mike Dinn thanking me for it - he was deputy
station manager at HSK on the day.

In any case, Parkes did *not* relay footage of the \"first step\" - that
was from Honeysuckle - a fact only recently acknowledged by John
Sarkissian (who continues nonetheless to lie about Parkes\' role, no
doubt to argue for CSIRO funding). They switched to HSK from a really
crappy signal from the badly adjusted receiver at Goldstone shortly
before the first step, and a few minutes later to Parkes, for which the
moon had *finally* come above its horizon:

<https://www.honeysucklecreek.net/Apollo_11/A11_Dinn.html>

Still reckon the \"horizon\" thing is \"close enough\"? Because it
definitely wasn\'t enough on that day!

PA is definitely the bullshitter here.

 

[Clifford Heath]

On 26/3/21 4:14 pm, Phil Allison wrote:

Clifford Heath wrote:
================


In short, The Dish is mostly a lie, a continuation of the lie that CSIRO
has always told and continues to tell about the centrality of Parkes in
the moon landing.

** The CSIRO are not in the habit of lying.

But bullshitters like you are !!.

Shame about all the stuff you clipped from my post. You who constantly
berate other people for clipping relevant context!

Video was *never* critical to any Apollo mission, contrary to what Larry
Marshall is reported to have said. The camera was bolted on at a late
stage of development, to the protests of some in the NASA hierarchy, who
saw it as a source of completely unnecessary risk to the mission.

To receive video, they had to disable much of the telemetry that
otherwise used that bandwidth. Search VK2MB on YouTube and you can find
a presentation I gave on the radio communications on the moon landing. I
have emails here from Mike Dinn thanking me for it - he was deputy
station manager at HSK on the day.

In any case, Parkes did *not* relay footage of the \"first step\" - that
was from Honeysuckle - a fact only recently acknowledged by John
Sarkissian (who continues nonetheless to lie about Parkes\' role, no
doubt to argue for CSIRO funding). They switched to HSK from a really
crappy signal from the badly adjusted receiver at Goldstone shortly
before the first step, and a few minutes later to Parkes, for which the
moon had *finally* come above its horizon:

<https://www.honeysucklecreek.net/Apollo_11/A11_Dinn.html>

Still reckon the \"horizon\" thing is \"close enough\"? Because it
definitely wasn\'t enough on that day!

PA is definitely the bullshitter here.

 

[Clifford Heath]

On 26/3/21 4:14 pm, Phil Allison wrote:

Clifford Heath wrote:
================


In short, The Dish is mostly a lie, a continuation of the lie that CSIRO
has always told and continues to tell about the centrality of Parkes in
the moon landing.

** The CSIRO are not in the habit of lying.

But bullshitters like you are !!.

Shame about all the stuff you clipped from my post. You who constantly
berate other people for clipping relevant context!

Video was *never* critical to any Apollo mission, contrary to what Larry
Marshall is reported to have said. The camera was bolted on at a late
stage of development, to the protests of some in the NASA hierarchy, who
saw it as a source of completely unnecessary risk to the mission.

To receive video, they had to disable much of the telemetry that
otherwise used that bandwidth. Search VK2MB on YouTube and you can find
a presentation I gave on the radio communications on the moon landing. I
have emails here from Mike Dinn thanking me for it - he was deputy
station manager at HSK on the day.

In any case, Parkes did *not* relay footage of the \"first step\" - that
was from Honeysuckle - a fact only recently acknowledged by John
Sarkissian (who continues nonetheless to lie about Parkes\' role, no
doubt to argue for CSIRO funding). They switched to HSK from a really
crappy signal from the badly adjusted receiver at Goldstone shortly
before the first step, and a few minutes later to Parkes, for which the
moon had *finally* come above its horizon:

<https://www.honeysucklecreek.net/Apollo_11/A11_Dinn.html>

Still reckon the \"horizon\" thing is \"close enough\"? Because it
definitely wasn\'t enough on that day!

PA is definitely the bullshitter here.

 

[Clifford Heath]

On 4/4/21 2:05 pm, keithr0 wrote:

On 3/04/2021 8:08 pm, Clifford Heath wrote:
On 3/4/21 4:02 pm, keithr0 wrote:
On 2/04/2021 5:45 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 1/04/2021 6:00 pm, Colin Horsley wrote:
On 27/03/2021 6:14 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:



**I visited Tidbinbilla in 2019. The dish is fucking big.


I visited Jodrell Bank in the 70s, that is BIG,  250 ft (76 m)


**That is big.

DSS43 at Tidbinbilla is only fractionally smaller at 70 metres, the
Lovell telescope at Joderell Bank looks a lot bigger because of its
different mount and because it is a Newtonian rather than Cassegrain
focus.

...which also radically limits the size of the equipment that can be
operated right out there at the focus, compared to DSS43.

CH

Are you an old trackie? If so which station(s) did you work at? I did
the full trifecta MSFN at Carnarvon, DSN at DSS41 Island Lagoon, and
STADAN at Orrorral Valley.

Not me, but I used to work with one from the 1980\'s on and met quite a
few others, and studied the 1969 tracking system in 2019 to give a
lecture on it - following on from my longstanding interest in radio
direction finding.

STADAN was an impressive bit of kit. Do you have any sweet stories to tell?

CH