Nicad charger

[Gingre]

Hi all. Have just ordered a 9.6 volt nicad for My FT50 Yaesu transceiver. Is
it OK to charge it on 12 volt (DC of course!) or will it overheat?

 

[Phil Allison]

"Gingre

Hi all. Have just ordered a 9.6 volt nicad for My FT50 Yaesu transceiver.
Is it OK to charge it on 12 volt (DC of course!) or will it overheat?

** Just get one of these and watch the time.

http://www.dse.com.au/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/467f1e7109b7fb722740c0a87f9c0743/Product/View/M9817



........ Phil

 

[JANA]

You must use the proper charger for your battery. If not, you can damage the
battery, or have a fire hazard!

--

JANA
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"Gingre" <not@here.com> wrote in message
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Hi all. Have just ordered a 9.6 volt nicad for My FT50 Yaesu transceiver. Is
it OK to charge it on 12 volt (DC of course!) or will it overheat?

 

[Gingre]

Yes but what constitutes a "proper" charger? It can't be "what the
manufacturer recommends or sells" and anyway in this case the manufacturer
doesn't sell them any more. It must either be a voltage or current
characteristic. So could you be more specific about this?

"JANA" <jana@NOSPAMca.inter.net> wrote in message
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You must use the proper charger for your battery. If not, you can damage
the
battery, or have a fire hazard!

--

JANA
_____


"Gingre" <not@here.com> wrote in message
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Hi all. Have just ordered a 9.6 volt nicad for My FT50 Yaesu transceiver.
Is
it OK to charge it on 12 volt (DC of course!) or will it overheat?

 

[Andy Wood]

"Gingre" <not@here.com> wrote:

.. . .

It must either be a voltage or current
characteristic.

Often also cell temperature.


Andy Wood
woodag@trap.ozemail.com.au

 

[Mr.T]

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"Gingre" <not@here.com> wrote:
. . .
It must either be a voltage or current characteristic.

Often also cell temperature.

It depends simply on how fast you want to charge it. If you want a fast
charge then you need to control voltage, current, AND cell temperature.
If the charge is slow enough, you only have to worry about current. That
usually means 24 hours or more though.

MrT.

 

[Gingre]

Yeah and time... But not many chargers for general use have temperature
sensing.

"Andy Wood" <woodag@trap.ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
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"Gingre" <not@here.com> wrote:

. . .
It must either be a voltage or
current
characteristic.

Often also cell temperature.


Andy Wood
woodag@trap.ozemail.com.au

 

[Mr.T]

"Gingre" <not@here.com> wrote in message
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Yeah and time... But not many chargers for general use have temperature
sensing.

Any decent rapid charger does. But you are correct in so far as most cheap
"general use" chargers are slow types that will almost certainly not have
temperature sensing.

MrT.

 

[JANA]

You will need to know the recommended charging current and overhead voltage
for charging the particular battery type. The charger will have to be
properly regulated for both the voltage and current, and have the proper
safety design in order to not overcharge the battery.

Many of these batteries have thermo sensing devices that feed some logic
circuits in the charger. This is to cause the charger to shut down in the
case if the battery overheats.

In working in this industry, I have seen injuries and fires started from
improper charging of NiCad and Lithium batteries. Read the warnings on these
batteries.


--

JANA
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"Gingre" <not@here.com> wrote in message
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Yes but what constitutes a "proper" charger? It can't be "what the
manufacturer recommends or sells" and anyway in this case the manufacturer
doesn't sell them any more. It must either be a voltage or current
characteristic. So could you be more specific about this?

"JANA" <jana@NOSPAMca.inter.net> wrote in message
news:1381tlskjbv2v0c@corp.supernews.com...

You must use the proper charger for your battery. If not, you can damage
the
battery, or have a fire hazard!

--

JANA
_____


"Gingre" <not@here.com> wrote in message
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Hi all. Have just ordered a 9.6 volt nicad for My FT50 Yaesu transceiver.
Is
it OK to charge it on 12 volt (DC of course!) or will it overheat?

 

[Tony]

Gingre wrote:

Yes but what constitutes a "proper" charger? It can't be "what the
manufacturer recommends or sells" and anyway in this case the manufacturer
doesn't sell them any more. It must either be a voltage or current
characteristic. So could you be more specific about this?


If it would be an old fashioned standard NiCad and you don't know

anything more specific, assume that the charge has to be
14 hrs at 10% of the capacity, when fully discharged.
i.e. a 1 Ah Cell will be charged with 0.1A for 14 hrs.
10% current of this again, can be safely applied as trickle charge 24/7
to keep the battery full and ready to go (1% of capacity).
Your battery has 8 cells with nominal 1.2V*8 = 9.6V. When fully charged
it will have 8*1.4V = 11.2V
Measure the current when fully charged with 12V applied. If it is like
the trickle charge (about 1% of capacity) you could just switch a light
bulb in series that has about the power of 2.4V*[10%of capacity].
It will act as a constant current source over a fair time of the
charging process, and also as a current limiter.
Make sure that your power supply is rated for your charging current.

Cheers

Tony

"JANA" <jana@NOSPAMca.inter.net> wrote in message
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You must use the proper charger for your battery. If not, you can damage
the
battery, or have a fire hazard!

--

JANA
_____


"Gingre" <not@here.com> wrote in message
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Hi all. Have just ordered a 9.6 volt nicad for My FT50 Yaesu transceiver.
Is
it OK to charge it on 12 volt (DC of course!) or will it overheat?