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Our 15 year old Panasonic CTM2778S is getting tired and dim.

I guess it's time to get another one and am looking for some guidance.

Can you all tell me your top three 27" or 32" TV choices for
reliability/features, etc?
I'm not going the LCD or Plasma route now. I just want flat tube
technology.

I'm in the US and have the usual stores to choose from.

Also, what mfrs should I stay away from?

I googled (with few exact hits) and saw some recent threads similar to my
question
but still want the group's responses in one thread.

TIA
Mike
 
My preference is for Sony, or Panasonic. I found these to have accurate
reproduction, and a good service record.

--

Jerry G.
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"M" <rnee@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Our 15 year old Panasonic CTM2778S is getting tired and dim.

I guess it's time to get another one and am looking for some guidance.

Can you all tell me your top three 27" or 32" TV choices for
reliability/features, etc?
I'm not going the LCD or Plasma route now. I just want flat tube
technology.

I'm in the US and have the usual stores to choose from.

Also, what mfrs should I stay away from?

I googled (with few exact hits) and saw some recent threads similar to my
question
but still want the group's responses in one thread.

TIA
Mike
 
"Travis Jordan" <no.one@no.net> wrote in message
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M wrote:
Can you all tell me your top three 27" or 32" TV choices for
reliability/features, etc?

4:3 or 16:9?
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Probably 4:3. Isn't 16:9 more expensive?
 
Panasonic still makes some nice products, so does Sharp, Sony, and quite a
few other manufacturers. Also there are the new Flat Panel Teles available
now. May actually want to take a walk-about through some of the retailer
outlets and actually see what is available at your budget limitations. May
also try some of the retailer's web site like circuitcity.com , bestbuy.com
, walmart.com , etc. then at least you will have a bit more information than
what may be garnered via the news groups.
"M" <rnee@comcast.net> wrote in message
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"Travis Jordan" <no.one@no.net> wrote in message
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M wrote:
Can you all tell me your top three 27" or 32" TV choices for
reliability/features, etc?

4:3 or 16:9?



Probably 4:3. Isn't 16:9 more expensive?
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Indeed, I've walked around the stores but I can't get reliability
information from a salesman or the store's web site.
The talent and experience here in this group is what I want.

Regards,
Mike

"Art" <plotsligt@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Panasonic still makes some nice products, so does Sharp, Sony, and quite a
few other manufacturers. Also there are the new Flat Panel Teles available
now. May actually want to take a walk-about through some of the retailer
outlets and actually see what is available at your budget limitations. May
also try some of the retailer's web site like circuitcity.com ,
bestbuy.com , walmart.com , etc. then at least you will have a bit more
information than what may be garnered via the news groups.
"M" <rnee@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:3JSdnS0je-RjJbbfRVn-pg@comcast.com...

"Travis Jordan" <no.one@no.net> wrote in message
news:85MWd.485507$Zm5.70749@news.easynews.com...
M wrote:
Can you all tell me your top three 27" or 32" TV choices for
reliability/features, etc?

4:3 or 16:9?



Probably 4:3. Isn't 16:9 more expensive?
Click to expand...
 
Frank wrote:
Looking to replace our TV. With all that's out there now I am confused
Plasma ? LCD? Projection? 750 or 1080 P
Most of you hear this all the time sorry but help would be
appreciated. would like 37 to 42" screen
Ktech
http://www.hdtvinfoport.com/HDTV-Glossary.html
Click to expand...
 
On May 18, 5:41 pm, Ken <u...@domain.invalid> wrote:
Frank wrote:
Looking to replace our TV. With all that's out there now I am confused
Plasma ? LCD? Projection? 750 or 1080 P
Most of you hear this all the time sorry but help would be
appreciated. would like 37 to 42" screen
Ktech

http://www.hdtvinfoport.com/HDTV-Glossary.html
Click to expand...
Not my field (I'm strictly audio), so others can correct me...
For nominally same size TV:
LCD cheaper than Plasma
LCD lower power consumption than plasma
Plasma brighter than LCD at the bright end
Plasma shorter life than LCD
I've forgotten which has the "best deep blacks"
Hope this helps.
I don't expect to buy a flat screen TV very soon as we've just
inherited a newish CRT based 27 inch TV.
Cheers,
Roger
 
"Engineer" <analogdino@rogers.com> wrote in message
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On May 18, 5:41 pm, Ken <u...@domain.invalid> wrote:
Frank wrote:
Looking to replace our TV. With all that's out there now I am confused
Plasma ? LCD? Projection? 750 or 1080 P
Most of you hear this all the time sorry but help would be
appreciated. would like 37 to 42" screen
Ktech

http://www.hdtvinfoport.com/HDTV-Glossary.html

Not my field (I'm strictly audio), so others can correct me...
For nominally same size TV:
LCD cheaper than Plasma
yes
Click to expand...

LCD lower power consumption than plasma
lcd 250w constant draw of power due to back light plasma varies with
Click to expand...
brightness over all very close to the same in power use

Plasma brighter than LCD at the bright end
lcd better in bright rooms plasma for the rest
Click to expand...

Plasma shorter life than LCD
Panels in both (panasonic) rated at 60,000 hours
Click to expand...

I've forgotten which has the "best deep blacks"
plasma contrast ratio 10000 to 1 lcd 5000 to 1 plasma produces better
Click to expand...
blacks

Hope this helps.
I don't expect to buy a flat screen TV very soon as we've just
inherited a newish CRT based 27 inch TV.
Cheers,
Roger
Click to expand...
 
Frank wrote:
Looking to replace our TV. With all that's out there now I am confused
Plasma ? LCD? Projection? 750 or 1080 P
Most of you hear this all the time sorry but help would be
appreciated. would like 37 to 42" screen
Ktech
Click to expand...
What size?

Under 32 inch LCD 1080p

Over 32 inch Plasma 1080p
 
"Frank" <ktech@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Looking to replace our TV. With all that's out there now I am confused
Plasma ? LCD? Projection? 750 or 1080 P
Most of you hear this all the time sorry but help would be appreciated.
would like 37 to 42" screen
Ktech

IMO, get a tube model or don't pay much and look at the warranty.
 
On 18 May, 20:46, "Frank" <k...@comcast.net> wrote:
Looking to replace our TV. With all that's out there now I am confused Plasma ? LCD? Projection? 750 or 1080 P
Most of you hear this all the time sorry but help would be appreciated. would like 37 to 42" screen
Ktech
Click to expand...
Hia Frank,
I am a technical advisor, and have been a workshop (TV) engineer for
over 30 years. The info you have already been given seems to be
correct with regard to the power consuption etc. Plasma is better for
dark/black detail, and better for fast action as you may get some
delay artifacts on LCD. Lcd has a higher pixel count, thefore has
finer detail but at the viewing distance required (about 10 - 15 foot)
you probablt wont notice the difference. The best advice I can give
you, is to go to a large store such as Comet, where they will have a
lot of sets on display, and you can make your own judgment. The
branded makes such as Panasonic, Toshiba, Sony, Sharp, Hitachi, philps
etc are probably better than own branded makes, but that depends on
how much you want to spend. I think Panasonic are probably the best
for Plasma, and Toshiba or sharp are excellent LCD sets. One thing you
must bear in mind that, when you get such a large display, you are
blowing up (like a baloon) the same definition therefore the
definition is not as good as a small set. These sets are crying out
for HD (high definition). Ask the store to show you a set running in
HD. I think you will be amazed! Bear in mind that the only source(s)
of HD are a dedicated HD player such as Toshiba or Sony do, the former
costs about Ł350 and has the HD DVD format. Blue ray is the other
format, and has more film rights, hence most of the new films tend to
me Blue Ray. Blue ray players are more expensive, but the new Sony
Playstation 3, has a blue ray player built in. The film itself has to
have been recorded in HD, but these players are backward compatable,
and will play normal DVD's.
They currently cost around Ł15 a film in HD. The other source of HD is
Sky Plus, but please bear in mind that only a few channels transmit
true HD. You should make sure you use an HDMI lead for HD. You can use
component video or DVI, but these last two require seperate sound
connections.

Hope this helps

Rod
 
Your advice is best I have seen sofar!

One thing I would like to add, is that I found that rear screen
projection sets are not that great. They look soft, and the replacement
lamps don't always last very long, and are very expensive. A few people
I know bought a rear screen LCD projection TV because they like the
size. I found it to be a bit soft compared to a standard front view.
They also learned the hard way that about every 6 to 8 months, they had
to replace the projection lamp. This lamp is over $200 US! The TV is
used every day for most of the day.

As for LCD screens, I also found that with age, they do not drift in
colour temperature. After about 60,000 hours the backplane lamp and its
power supply may burn out. But, after that many hours, I would be
looking at replacing the set rather than servicing it. There are many
other types of components that can die in a TV or monitor after many
hours of use.


--

Jerry G.


<Rodney.Marriott@googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:1179570630.883403.241090@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On 18 May, 20:46, "Frank" <k...@comcast.net> wrote:
Looking to replace our TV. With all that's out there now I am confused
Plasma ? LCD? Projection? 750 or 1080 P
Most of you hear this all the time sorry but help would be
appreciated. would like 37 to 42" screen
Ktech
Click to expand...
Hia Frank,
I am a technical advisor, and have been a workshop (TV) engineer for
over 30 years. The info you have already been given seems to be
correct with regard to the power consuption etc. Plasma is better for
dark/black detail, and better for fast action as you may get some
delay artifacts on LCD. Lcd has a higher pixel count, thefore has
finer detail but at the viewing distance required (about 10 - 15 foot)
you probablt wont notice the difference. The best advice I can give
you, is to go to a large store such as Comet, where they will have a
lot of sets on display, and you can make your own judgment. The
branded makes such as Panasonic, Toshiba, Sony, Sharp, Hitachi, philps
etc are probably better than own branded makes, but that depends on
how much you want to spend. I think Panasonic are probably the best
for Plasma, and Toshiba or sharp are excellent LCD sets. One thing you
must bear in mind that, when you get such a large display, you are
blowing up (like a baloon) the same definition therefore the
definition is not as good as a small set. These sets are crying out
for HD (high definition). Ask the store to show you a set running in
HD. I think you will be amazed! Bear in mind that the only source(s)
of HD are a dedicated HD player such as Toshiba or Sony do, the former
costs about Ł350 and has the HD DVD format. Blue ray is the other
format, and has more film rights, hence most of the new films tend to
me Blue Ray. Blue ray players are more expensive, but the new Sony
Playstation 3, has a blue ray player built in. The film itself has to
have been recorded in HD, but these players are backward compatable,
and will play normal DVD's.
They currently cost around Ł15 a film in HD. The other source of HD is
Sky Plus, but please bear in mind that only a few channels transmit
true HD. You should make sure you use an HDMI lead for HD. You can use
component video or DVI, but these last two require seperate sound
connections.

Hope this helps

Rod
 
On 19 May, 21:01, "Jerry G." <jerry...@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote:
Your advice is best I have seen sofar!

One thing I would like to add, is that I found that rear screen
projection sets are not that great. They look soft, and the replacement
lamps don't always last very long, and are very expensive. A few people
I know bought a rear screen LCD projection TV because they like the
size. I found it to be a bit soft compared to a standard front view.
They also learned the hard way that about every 6 to 8 months, they had
to replace the projection lamp. This lamp is over $200 US! The TV is
used every day for most of the day.

As for LCD screens, I also found that with age, they do not drift in
colour temperature. After about 60,000 hours the backplane lamp and its
power supply may burn out. But, after that many hours, I would be
looking at replacing the set rather than servicing it. There are many
other types of components that can die in a TV or monitor after many
hours of use.

--

Jerry G.

Rodney.Marri...@googlemail.com> wrote in message

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On 18 May, 20:46, "Frank" <k...@comcast.net> wrote:

Looking to replace our TV. With all that's out there now I am confused
Plasma ? LCD? Projection? 750 or 1080 P
Most of you hear this all the time sorry but help would be
appreciated. would like 37 to 42" screen
Ktech

Hia Frank,
I am a technical advisor, and have been a workshop (TV) engineer for
over 30 years. The info you have already been given seems to be
correct with regard to the power consuption etc. Plasma is better for
dark/black detail, and better for fast action as you may get some
delay artifacts on LCD. Lcd has a higher pixel count, thefore has
finer detail but at the viewing distance required (about 10 - 15 foot)
you probablt wont notice the difference. The best advice I can give
you, is to go to a large store such as Comet, where they will have a
lot of sets on display, and you can make your own judgment. The
branded makes such as Panasonic, Toshiba, Sony, Sharp, Hitachi, philps
etc are probably better than own branded makes, but that depends on
how much you want to spend. I think Panasonic are probably the best
for Plasma, and Toshiba or sharp are excellent LCD sets. One thing you
must bear in mind that, when you get such a large display, you are
blowing up (like a baloon) the same definition therefore the
definition is not as good as a small set. These sets are crying out
for HD (high definition). Ask the store to show you a set running in
HD. I think you will be amazed! Bear in mind that the only source(s)
of HD are a dedicated HD player such as Toshiba or Sony do, the former
costs about Ł350 and has the HD DVD format. Blue ray is the other
format, and has more film rights, hence most of the new films tend to
me Blue Ray. Blue ray players are more expensive, but the new Sony
Playstation 3, has a blue ray player built in. The film itself has to
have been recorded in HD, but these players are backward compatable,
and will play normal DVD's.
They currently cost around Ł15 a film in HD. The other source of HD is
Sky Plus, but please bear in mind that only a few channels transmit
true HD. You should make sure you use an HDMI lead for HD. You can use
component video or DVI, but these last two require seperate sound
connections.

Hope this helps

Rod
Click to expand...
hia Jerry,
what you say about projection tv is quite right, thats why I didn't
recommend them, that also is true of DLP sets. While Plasma sets give
a higher light output (being an active light source, as against LCD)
LCD are getting better, I recently looked at a plasma and lcd side by
side, and to be honest, I could not see any difference, but this was
not a critical anaysis, more from just watching them as a customer
would. I would advise taking out extended warranty on both plasma and
LCD, especially the large sizes, as if the display panel fails, they
are VERY espensive to replace!

Regards

Rod
 
Rodney.Marriott@googlemail.com ha escrito:
.. I would advise taking out extended warranty on both plasma and
LCD, especially the large sizes, as if the display panel fails, they
are VERY espensive to replace!
Regards
Rod
Click to expand...
correct.

The following is from today, opied from a thread on another forum:

i was shocked this week when a toshiba 32wl56p came in for repair it
didnt take long to diagnose the fault to the inverter pcb having
failed
so as usual next action was contact toshiba for price couldnt believe
it when they told me the sharp manufactured inverter/lcd panel was
only available as a complete assy at a cost of about Ł500 plus vat
this has also happened with other manufacturers ie daewoo philips and
a few others i think its outrageous that a Ł50-100 inverter fault
means having to purchase the whole screen however i typed the inverter
part number into google and to my surprise found a company in the
states (INVERTERCENTRAL.COM)that supplies the inverter it is one of
there most popular ones the whole price inc shipping is $99 which
saved a perfectly good tv although its a crappy lcd from landfill
http://www.invertercentral.com/
__________________



Default Re: lcd inverter failure
thats very usefull to know, i have a fiew large lcd monitors with
failed or faining inverters i'll give them a go.

Jay
__________________
The light at the end of the tunnel is probably the headlight of an
oncoming train
j


Default Re: lcd inverter failure
I had the inverter fail on my Acer 17" LCD monitor model AL1711,
identical inside to the 15" version AL1511. I managed to open it up
and found four electrolytics with slightly bulging tops, these were
mounted on the pcb such that the heat from a heatsink rose straight
into them. I changed all four caps and the monitor is now working
well. Worth a check on any monitor really, change those caps with
slightly convex tops! I used 105 deg.C jobs as replacement.
Les
__________________

Hi RBM
Many thanks for that. I suppose their theory is that a faulty
backlight tube will damage the inverter. This can be the case in
smaller sets for some reason, but I've yet to find this in large-
screen LCDs.
Mind you, Ł500 is a good price for a screen - Panasonic and Philips
are around Ł1000 for a 32" - and that doesn't include the inverter
PCB!



Default Re: lcd inverter failure
Quote:
Originally Posted by Welsh Anorak View Post
Mind you, Ł500 is a good price for a screen - Panasonic and Philips
are around Ł1000 for a 32" - and that doesn't include the inverter
PCB!
It will not be worth repairing anything soon, John Lewis were selling
Panasonic 37" LCD TVs for about Ł850 last week with 5 years guarantee,
which makes Ł1000 for a spare part seem a trifle uneconomic.

J

Default Re: lcd inverter failure
Quote:
Originally Posted by jcaines View Post
It will not be worth repairing anything soon, John Lewis were selling
Panasonic 37" LCD TVs for about Ł850 last week with 5 years guarantee,
which makes Ł1000 for a spare part seem a trifle uneconomic.

John
The only problem with these extended warranties is that if the repair
is considered uneconomical or if parts are NLA then the set is written
off and the insurers pay a fraction of a new set.
 
You Guys are great . Much good info regarding replacement TV.
Friend told me that LG is considered a good product . Your feelings ?
Man buying a new TV is as much a Pain------- as buying a car.
Ktech
 
"Frank" <ktech@comcast.net> wrote in message
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You Guys are great . Much good info regarding replacement TV.
Friend told me that LG is considered a good product . Your feelings ?
Click to expand...
Pretty good. Don't buy 'old' brand names like RCA, Philips - or Singer! No
name brands are better than those.
 
"Homer J Simpson" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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"Frank" <ktech@comcast.net> wrote in message
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You Guys are great . Much good info regarding replacement TV.
Friend told me that LG is considered a good product . Your feelings ?

Pretty good. Don't buy 'old' brand names like RCA, Philips - or Singer! No
name brands are better than those.
Click to expand...

Well those *are* no name brands, with well known names slapped on the front.
They do tend to be the bottom of the barrel though.
 
"James Sweet" <jamessweet@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Pretty good. Don't buy 'old' brand names like RCA, Philips - or Singer!
No name brands are better than those.

Well those *are* no name brands, with well known names slapped on the
front. They do tend to be the bottom of the barrel though.
Click to expand...
My theory is that if the sets are really bad they use a rent-a-name to make
them look better than they are. If they're OK they sell on their own without
the label.
 
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