New Microsoft Anti-Spyware Tool

Mark Jones · Jan 12, 2005

Free DL (beta), free updates, Anti-Spyware network, cleans BHO's,
more... it found things on my PC that SpyBot nor Pest Patrol found.
Interesting technology, check it out:
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/spyware/software/default.mspx

-- "Perseverance, and perseverance alone, is omnipotent." MCJ 1998

TCS · Jan 12, 2005

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begin On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:45:16 -0500, Mark Jones <abuse@127.0.0.1> wrote:

Free DL (beta), free updates, Anti-Spyware network, cleans BHO's,
more... it found things on my PC that SpyBot nor Pest Patrol found.
Interesting technology, check it out:
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/spyware/software/default.mspx

-- "Perseverance, and perseverance alone, is omnipotent." MCJ 1998

Now, if only microsoft would bring 60's technology to the desktop and
quit having users run as administrator by default.

On my linux machine, even if I ran a web browser as insecure as internet
explorer, there's no way it could install anything on the system. The
web browser running in a user account simply hasn't the priviledges.

Charles Schuler · Jan 12, 2005

"Mark Jones" <abuse@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
news:V5-dnTUVJ8TBEXjcRVn-3w@buckeye-express.com...

Free DL (beta), free updates, Anti-Spyware network, cleans BHO's,
more... it found things on my PC that SpyBot nor Pest Patrol found.
Interesting technology, check it out:
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/spyware/software/default.mspx

-- "Perseverance, and perseverance alone, is omnipotent." MCJ 1998

Thanks for posting this. I downloaded and ran it and a trojan downloader
was detected and removed. This downloader was rated as a severe threat. I
regularly use spybot and was surprised by this result.

Joel Kolstad · Jan 12, 2005

"Ken Smith" <kensmith@green.rahul.net> wrote in message
news:cs4cuf$f24$1@blue.rahul.net...

If you the log out and log in as a different user, the system works
normally again for that user. The bulk of the system is protected from
the users. Restoring the troubled user to normal is as easy as removing
the offending software while logged in on a different account. Unlike
Windows you don't have to try to fix the system with the malware running.

Umm, while I'd probably agree that -- in general -- there are a lot of
poorly configured/vulnerable Windows machines out there, I've seen plenty of
professionally done Windows installations where the machines are both (1)
usable and (2) stable. Many (but perhaps not all

) college campuses
would be a good example; there are a LOT more kids out there who'll be
trying to hack the local campus Windows machines than the UNIX boxes.

Keep in mind which OS Kevin Mitnick's worm ran on, eh?

Jan 12, 2005

http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/spyware/software/default.mspx

Note that the EULA tells you it will report information back to
Microsoft, and the URL it gives you for information on disabling that
feature does NOT give you any information on how to turn off the
"Reporting Component".

I declined the update for that reason.

James Meyer · Jan 12, 2005

On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:45:16 -0500, Mark Jones <abuse@127.0.0.1> wroth:

Free DL (beta), free updates, Anti-Spyware network, cleans BHO's,
more... it found things on my PC that SpyBot nor Pest Patrol found.
Interesting technology, check it out:
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/spyware/software/default.mspx

-- "Perseverance, and perseverance alone, is omnipotent." MCJ 1998

I wonder if it finds the spy/adware that comes with Microsoft operating
systems and applications.

It took me a week using several third-party cleaners to remove the junk
from a clean, default, installation of XP home edition. When I first let XP
connect to my ISP after the installation, every damned MS application on my
machine fought with each other to get bandwidth.

Jim

James Meyer · Jan 12, 2005

On 12 Jan 2005 16:42:04 -0800, larwe@larwe.com wroth:

http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/spyware/software/default.mspx

Note that the EULA tells you it will report information back to
Microsoft, and the URL it gives you for information on disabling that
feature does NOT give you any information on how to turn off the
"Reporting Component".

Did you expect anything else from "big brother"?

I declined the update for that reason.

Thanks for the warning. I was almost tempted to try it.

Jim

TCS · Jan 13, 2005

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begin On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:27:46 -0800, Joel Kolstad <JKolstad71HatesSpam@Yahoo.Com> wrote:

"Ken Smith" <kensmith@green.rahul.net> wrote in message
news:cs4cuf$f24$1@blue.rahul.net...
If you the log out and log in as a different user, the system works
normally again for that user. The bulk of the system is protected from
the users. Restoring the troubled user to normal is as easy as removing
the offending software while logged in on a different account. Unlike
Windows you don't have to try to fix the system with the malware running.

Umm, while I'd probably agree that -- in general -- there are a lot of
poorly configured/vulnerable Windows machines out there, I've seen plenty of
professionally done Windows installations where the machines are both (1)
usable and (2) stable. Many (but perhaps not all ) college campuses
would be a good example; there are a LOT more kids out there who'll be
trying to hack the local campus Windows machines than the UNIX boxes.

Keep in mind which OS Kevin Mitnick's worm ran on, eh?

when was that? How many non-windows worms are running around in the wild
right now? Zero.

How many windows worms running around right now? countless.

Nico Coesel · Jan 13, 2005

TCS <The-Central-Scrutinizer@p.o.b.o.x.com> wrote:

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begin On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:27:46 -0800, Joel Kolstad <JKolstad71HatesSpam@Yahoo.Com> wrote:
"Ken Smith" <kensmith@green.rahul.net> wrote in message
news:cs4cuf$f24$1@blue.rahul.net...
If you the log out and log in as a different user, the system works
normally again for that user. The bulk of the system is protected from
the users. Restoring the troubled user to normal is as easy as removing
the offending software while logged in on a different account. Unlike
Windows you don't have to try to fix the system with the malware running.

Umm, while I'd probably agree that -- in general -- there are a lot of
poorly configured/vulnerable Windows machines out there, I've seen plenty of
professionally done Windows installations where the machines are both (1)
usable and (2) stable. Many (but perhaps not all ) college campuses
would be a good example; there are a LOT more kids out there who'll be
trying to hack the local campus Windows machines than the UNIX boxes.

Keep in mind which OS Kevin Mitnick's worm ran on, eh?

when was that? How many non-windows worms are running around in the wild
right now? Zero.

How many windows worms running around right now? countless.

That's not because it is technically impossible, but it is
commercially not interesting.

--
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TCS · Jan 13, 2005

On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 20:01:39 GMT, Nico Coesel <nico@puntnl.niks> wrote:

TCS <The-Central-Scrutinizer@p.o.b.o.x.com> wrote:

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begin On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:27:46 -0800, Joel Kolstad <JKolstad71HatesSpam@Yahoo.Com> wrote:
"Ken Smith" <kensmith@green.rahul.net> wrote in message
news:cs4cuf$f24$1@blue.rahul.net...
If you the log out and log in as a different user, the system works
normally again for that user. The bulk of the system is protected from
the users. Restoring the troubled user to normal is as easy as removing
the offending software while logged in on a different account. Unlike
Windows you don't have to try to fix the system with the malware running.

Umm, while I'd probably agree that -- in general -- there are a lot of
poorly configured/vulnerable Windows machines out there, I've seen plenty of
professionally done Windows installations where the machines are both (1)
usable and (2) stable. Many (but perhaps not all ) college campuses
would be a good example; there are a LOT more kids out there who'll be
trying to hack the local campus Windows machines than the UNIX boxes.

Keep in mind which OS Kevin Mitnick's worm ran on, eh?

when was that? How many non-windows worms are running around in the wild
right now? Zero.

How many windows worms running around right now? countless.

That's not because it is technically impossible, but it is
commercially not interesting.

Uh huh, virus and worm writers are only interested in commercial
opportunities.

Yeah. Sure.

John Smith · Jan 13, 2005

"Charles Schuler" <charleschuler@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Fe-dnVR4rrTGOXjcRVn-hQ@comcast.com...

"Mark Jones" <abuse@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
news:V5-dnTUVJ8TBEXjcRVn-3w@buckeye-express.com...
Free DL (beta), free updates, Anti-Spyware network, cleans BHO's,
more... it found things on my PC that SpyBot nor Pest Patrol found.
Interesting technology, check it out:
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/spyware/software/default.mspx

-- "Perseverance, and perseverance alone, is omnipotent." MCJ 1998

Thanks for posting this. I downloaded and ran it and a trojan downloader
was detected and removed. This downloader was rated as a severe threat.
I regularly use spybot and was surprised by this result.

I downloaded the MS software and ran it. It found nothing. Then I ran Spybot
and it found 7 tracking cookies.

I'm not drawing any conclusions, just reporting my experience.

John

JeffM · Jan 13, 2005

I downloaded the MS software and ran it. It found nothing.
Then I ran Spybot and it found 7 tracking cookies.
I'm not drawing any conclusions, just reporting my experience.
John Smith

I think you are drawing conclusions, and they're valid--in your case.
Anyone who knows anything about spyware knows that it's insidious
and that 1 tool isn't enough to keep up with it.
BTW, tracking cookies are fairly benign.

John Smith · Jan 14, 2005

"JeffM" <jeffm_@email.com> wrote in message
news:1105656244.219055.117850@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...

I downloaded the MS software and ran it. It found nothing.
Then I ran Spybot and it found 7 tracking cookies.
I'm not drawing any conclusions, just reporting my experience.
John Smith

I think you are drawing conclusions, and they're valid--in your case.
Anyone who knows anything about spyware knows that it's insidious
and that 1 tool isn't enough to keep up with it.
BTW, tracking cookies are fairly benign.

No, I'm really not drawing any conclusions mainly for the reason you
mention... that tracking cookies are relatively benign.

And to Jim: thanks for the pointer on Scan Spyware. I may give it a try.

John

TCS · Jan 12, 2005

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begin On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:32:22 GMT, Nico Coesel <nico@puntnl.niks> wrote:

TCS <The-Central-Scrutinizer@p.o.b.o.x.com> wrote:

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begin On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:45:16 -0500, Mark Jones <abuse@127.0.0.1> wrote:
Free DL (beta), free updates, Anti-Spyware network, cleans BHO's,
more... it found things on my PC that SpyBot nor Pest Patrol found.
Interesting technology, check it out:
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/spyware/software/default.mspx

-- "Perseverance, and perseverance alone, is omnipotent." MCJ 1998

Now, if only microsoft would bring 60's technology to the desktop and
quit having users run as administrator by default.

On my linux machine, even if I ran a web browser as insecure as internet
explorer, there's no way it could install anything on the system. The
web browser running in a user account simply hasn't the priviledges.

Keep on dreaming. If a Linux user has access to the network, the user
can run a piece of software, spyware or other malware. By starting
this piece of software from an auto start configuration file (can be
anything from .profile to a kde initialisation file) you have the same
effect as you have under Windows. The weak link is the user, not the
OS.

As a user, a .kde script can't modify the system. You really should
learn some technology that has come since the 60's. Pretty wonderfull stuff.

TCS · Jan 13, 2005

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begin On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:27:37 -0800, Joel Kolstad <JKolstad71HatesSpam@Yahoo.Com> wrote:

"TCS" <The-Central-Scrutinizer@p.o.b.o.x.com> wrote in message
news:slrncubm3g.og6.The-Central-Scrutinizer@linux.client.comcast.net...
What windows has built in is to turn off all checks and to allow the user,
and any program the user or the user's programs may have spawned to do
anything to the any part of the system software.

This is true for any program when the account connected to it is an
administrator/super user/etc...

I suspect that the percentage of Linux users who do their 'daily work' with
an administrator's account is not that much less than the number of Windows
users who do so... In fact, it might even be higher, if only because there

bullshit. I doubt 5% of all windows users do their work as a limited
user and I doubt even 1% of linux users do all their work as root.
Most distributions won't even allow logging into the gui as root and
put up a huge warning.

Nico Coesel · Jan 13, 2005

TCS <The-Central-Scrutinizer@p.o.b.o.x.com> wrote:

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begin On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:32:22 GMT, Nico Coesel <nico@puntnl.niks> wrote:
TCS <The-Central-Scrutinizer@p.o.b.o.x.com> wrote:

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begin On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:45:16 -0500, Mark Jones <abuse@127.0.0.1> wrote:
Free DL (beta), free updates, Anti-Spyware network, cleans BHO's,
more... it found things on my PC that SpyBot nor Pest Patrol found.
Interesting technology, check it out:
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/spyware/software/default.mspx

-- "Perseverance, and perseverance alone, is omnipotent." MCJ 1998

Now, if only microsoft would bring 60's technology to the desktop and
quit having users run as administrator by default.

On my linux machine, even if I ran a web browser as insecure as internet
explorer, there's no way it could install anything on the system. The
web browser running in a user account simply hasn't the priviledges.

Keep on dreaming. If a Linux user has access to the network, the user
can run a piece of software, spyware or other malware. By starting
this piece of software from an auto start configuration file (can be
anything from .profile to a kde initialisation file) you have the same
effect as you have under Windows. The weak link is the user, not the
OS.

Bullshit. Come over to my machine and send me an email from the guest
account. It's IP is 24.8.38.146. You won't because I don't have
enough holes for you to find one to creep in.

You are, like many people, too focused on hacking. Look wider. People
who want to make money by using other people's computer choose to
attack the weakest link: the user. Now think again about my posting
and you'll see I'm right. Linux is as bad as Windows on this point.

Hacking into a computer is not interesting at all. Complete waste of
time. Being able to _use_ a computer is interesting, but this doesn't
require absolute control over the computer.
Why try to hack into the computer of a bank if you can easely install
a piece of software on the computer of their clients which simply
transfers money into your account?
Why try to hack the system of a provider to send spam? Complete waste
of time. Millions of people will install your software to turn their
computer into a spam source if you wrap nicely.

--
Reply to nico@nctdevpuntnl (punt=.)
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Jim Thompson · Jan 13, 2005

On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 22:30:38 GMT, "John Smith"
<kd5yikes@mindspring.com> wrote:

"Charles Schuler" <charleschuler@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Fe-dnVR4rrTGOXjcRVn-hQ@comcast.com...

"Mark Jones" <abuse@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
news:V5-dnTUVJ8TBEXjcRVn-3w@buckeye-express.com...
Free DL (beta), free updates, Anti-Spyware network, cleans BHO's,
more... it found things on my PC that SpyBot nor Pest Patrol found.
Interesting technology, check it out:
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/spyware/software/default.mspx

-- "Perseverance, and perseverance alone, is omnipotent." MCJ 1998

Thanks for posting this. I downloaded and ran it and a trojan downloader
was detected and removed. This downloader was rated as a severe threat.
I regularly use spybot and was surprised by this result.

I downloaded the MS software and ran it. It found nothing. Then I ran Spybot
and it found 7 tracking cookies.

I'm not drawing any conclusions, just reporting my experience.

John

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