My Electric PC Dream

[The Great Attractor]

On Sun, 13 May 2007 06:59:59 GMT, Tim Polmear <polmear@wn.com.au> wrote:

. It's an interesting idea though I don't confess to
understanding how you envisage it working.

Which proves that you are just as fucking lost as he is.

 

[Eric Gisse]

On May 12, 11:59 pm, Tim Polmear <polm...@wn.com.au> wrote:

On 12 May 2007 12:02:17 -0700, Radium <gluceg...@gmail.com> wrote:



Hi:

I am currently daydreaming about electricity that is direct current
[and has no frequency], extremely high-voltage, thin-channeled, and
extremely low-amperage and a PC that runs on such electricity.

This electricity is a max of only 1 watt. The amperage is a max of 1
electron per second. The width of the electric channel is only 1
electron thick, hence it is "thin-channeled". The voltage is high
enough that it can pass through air.

In addition, this electricity does not generate any perceptible heat
when passing through air. A computer running on this electricity never
gets hot enough to need any cooling equipment. I can touch the
electric parts of a device when on, without feeling any heat.

Since this electricity can pass through air without metal, it is
wireless.

Chips using this electricity can tolerate electrostatic discharge
without being damaged to any extent.

The PC running on this electricity is as fast as the world's current
best PC.

In addition, this PC does not contain or need any storage devices,
vacuum-tubes, glassfets, GaAsFETs, fans, cooling devices, capacitors,
resistors, magnetic parts, moving parts, semiconductors, discs, or
ROM.

All info in the PC is generated in real-time by the high-voltage, low-
amperage, thin-channeled current itself. So no storage devices are
necessary.

This PC does not need much metal since the electricity flows through
air in the PC.

Regards,

Radium

It's a great pity that people can't read an unusual post without
immediately kicking and clawing at each other to be the first to type
'fuckwad' and 'moron'. There are too many cowards in the world today.
(I can imagine them sitting in their lounge rooms watching Star Trek
and screaming "Mass approaches infinity at the speed of light!
Fuckwads!!")

He is an idiot with a proven track record of stupid ideas. Typically
of the form [regular idea] + [make a quantity 30 orders of magnitude
bigger or smaller] + [complete inability to understand explanations
why his idea is impractical and/or stupid].

I don't know if your computer is practical, nor does it really matter.
Practicality never stopped Asimov filling all his robots with a
positronic brain which even the technicians of US Robotics couldn't
understand. It's an interesting idea though I don't confess to
understanding how you envisage it working.

____________________________________________________
"I like to be organised. A place for everything. And everything all over the place."

 

[contrex]

On 13 May, 09:23, Eric Gisse <jowr...@gmail.com> wrote:

He is an idiot with a proven track record of stupid ideas. Typically
of the form [regular idea] + [make a quantity 30 orders of magnitude
bigger or smaller] + [complete inability to understand explanations
why his idea is impractical and/or stupid].

He has mentioned that he is autistic. There is an autistic person who
posts on another group I know of. He has a complete inability to
understand why his posts annoy people. Although rare, they can be
confusingly like trolls. You may encounter this guy soon...

 

[The Great Attractor]

On 13 May 2007 01:52:33 -0700, contrex <mike.j.harvey@gmail.com> wrote:

On 13 May, 09:23, Eric Gisse <jowr...@gmail.com> wrote:

He is an idiot with a proven track record of stupid ideas. Typically
of the form [regular idea] + [make a quantity 30 orders of magnitude
bigger or smaller] + [complete inability to understand explanations
why his idea is impractical and/or stupid].

He has mentioned that he is autistic. There is an autistic person who
posts on another group I know of. He has a complete inability to
understand why his posts annoy people. Although rare, they can be
confusingly like trolls. You may encounter this guy soon...



If that is the case, then he should place it in his sig so everyone

knows not to smack him around.

 

[contrex]

On 13 May, 09:57, The Great Attractor
<Sup...@ssiveBlackHoleAtTheCenterOfTheMilkyWayGalaxy.org> wrote:

On 13 May 2007 01:52:33 -0700, contrex <mike.j.har...@gmail.com> wrote:

On 13 May, 09:23, Eric Gisse <jowr...@gmail.com> wrote:

He is an idiot with a proven track record of stupid ideas. Typically
of the form [regular idea] + [make a quantity 30 orders of magnitude
bigger or smaller] + [complete inability to understand explanations
why his idea is impractical and/or stupid].

He has mentioned that he is autistic. There is an autistic person who
posts on another group I know of. He has a complete inability to
understand why his posts annoy people. Although rare, they can be
confusingly like trolls. You may encounter this guy soon...

If that is the case, then he should place it in his sig so everyone
knows not to smack him around.

I imagine Radium being like the bad guy in the film "Dirty Harry", you
know, kind of weaselly looking, with a demeanour that just makes you
want to smack him senseless with a bludgeon.

 

[Bob Kolker]

Radium wrote:

All info in the PC is generated in real-time by the high-voltage, low-
amperage, thin-channeled current itself. So no storage devices are
necessary.

This PC does not need much metal since the electricity flows through
air in the PC.

Do you have any factual basis for your PC Dream. Show us facts to
support the possibility. Not theories, mind you, but hard experimentally
obtained facts.

Bob Kolker

 

In sci.physics.electromag Radium <glucegen1@gmail.com> wrote:

On May 12, 10:53 pm, The Great Attractor
Sup...@ssiveBlackHoleAtTheCenterOfTheMilkyWayGalaxy.org> wrote:

One electron per second makes for some pretty goddamned slow computing.

Not necessarily. There are low-power PCs that are pretty fast.

Clueless idiot.

--
Jim Pennino

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In sci.physics.electromag Radium <glucegen1@gmail.com> wrote:

On May 12, 10:55 pm, j...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:

In sci.physics.electromag Radium <gluceg...@gmail.com> wrote:

On May 12, 3:22 pm, Uncle Al <Uncle...@hate.spam.net> wrote:
Radium wrote:
Hi:
I am currently daydreaming about electricity that is direct current
[and has no frequency], extremely high-voltage, thin-channeled, and
extremely low-amperage and a PC that runs on such electricity.
What will you use as insulation, cerebro-fuckwad?
None necessary.

Clueless idiot.

What will you use as insulation inside the CPU, cerebro-fuckwad?
None necessary.

Clueless idiot.

Bremsstrahlung, cerebro-fuckwad.
Not at the small energy levels I'm talking about.

Energy and power are two different things.

Clueless idiot.

I already said the power is only 1 watt, not nearly enough for
Bremsstrahlung.

Energy and power are two different things.

Clueless idiot.


--
Jim Pennino

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In sci.physics.electromag Tim Polmear <polmear@wn.com.au> wrote:

On 12 May 2007 12:02:17 -0700, Radium <glucegen1@gmail.com> wrote:

<snip>

I don't know if your computer is practical, nor does it really matter.

Which makes you just as clueless.

Practicality never stopped Asimov filling all his robots with a
positronic brain which even the technicians of US Robotics couldn't
understand. It's an interesting idea though I don't confess to
understanding how you envisage it working.

Asimov wrote entertaining stories based on the supposition something
new was invented, not clueless drivel based on zero understanding of
the physical world.

--
Jim Pennino

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In alt.engineering.electrical Radium <glucegen1@gmail.com> wrote:
| Hi:
|
| I am currently daydreaming about electricity that is direct current
| [and has no frequency], extremely high-voltage, thin-channeled, and
| extremely low-amperage and a PC that runs on such electricity.
|
| This electricity is a max of only 1 watt. The amperage is a max of 1
| electron per second. The width of the electric channel is only 1
| electron thick, hence it is "thin-channeled". The voltage is high
| enough that it can pass through air.
|
| In addition, this electricity does not generate any perceptible heat
| when passing through air. A computer running on this electricity never
| gets hot enough to need any cooling equipment. I can touch the
| electric parts of a device when on, without feeling any heat.
|
| Since this electricity can pass through air without metal, it is
| wireless.
|
| Chips using this electricity can tolerate electrostatic discharge
| without being damaged to any extent.
|
| The PC running on this electricity is as fast as the world's current
| best PC.
|
| In addition, this PC does not contain or need any storage devices,
| vacuum-tubes, glassfets, GaAsFETs, fans, cooling devices, capacitors,
| resistors, magnetic parts, moving parts, semiconductors, discs, or
| ROM.
|
| All info in the PC is generated in real-time by the high-voltage, low-
| amperage, thin-channeled current itself. So no storage devices are
| necessary.
|
| This PC does not need much metal since the electricity flows through
| air in the PC.

I suggest you would spend your time better by building a computer that
runs entirely on photons from light. Be sure it can handle a wide range
of photon energy levels (wavelengths). If you can fabricate picogates
that can operate entirely by holding a single photon in state and switch
the next photon based on a held photon, then you may well have achieved
the elusive 100% energy efficiency. Holding a photon would be the big
trick (they prefer to move very fast, so you will have to fool it and
run it around in a circle or bounce it back and forth).

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| Phil Howard KA9WGN (ka9wgn.ham.org) / Do not send to the address below |
| first name lower case at ipal.net / spamtrap-2007-05-13-0920@ipal.net |
|------------------------------------/-------------------------------------|

 

[Radium]

On May 13, 7:24 am, phil-news-nos...@ipal.net wrote:

I suggest you would spend your time better by building a computer that
runs entirely on photons from light. Be sure it can handle a wide range
of photon energy levels (wavelengths). If you can fabricate picogates
that can operate entirely by holding a single photon in state and switch
the next photon based on a held photon, then you may well have achieved
the elusive 100% energy efficiency. Holding a photon would be the big
trick (they prefer to move very fast, so you will have to fool it and
run it around in a circle or bounce it back and forth).

A photonic PC is another one of my dreams. My dream photonic PC runs
purely on 400 nm lasers [and other optical equipment - such as (but
not limited to) crystals, lenses, and mirrors, etc, etc.] and does not
require any electricity [other than the changes in electron energy
levels that are mathematically-required to produce any kind of light].
In addition, this PC does not use any LEDs, just lasers. This PC runs
on nanoscopic 400nm lasers that are powered by the main 400 nm laser
[power supply]. The ultimate power supply for this main laser is a
distant gigawatt 400 nm laser [at the power station] pumped by
deuterium-tritium fusion. The D-T fusion is initiated by another 400
nm laser pumped by, well, whatever the practical source is. Lasers
with sufficiently high-wattage and short-enough wavelengths can be
used to trigger thermonuclear reactions.

 

[The Ghost In The Machine]

In sci.physics.relativity, Radium
<glucegen1@gmail.com>
wrote
on 12 May 2007 12:02:17 -0700
<1178996537.465210.200900@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>:

Hi:

I am currently daydreaming about electricity that is direct current
[and has no frequency], extremely high-voltage, thin-channeled, and
extremely low-amperage and a PC that runs on such electricity.

This electricity is a max of only 1 watt. The amperage is a max of 1
electron per second. The width of the electric channel is only 1
electron thick, hence it is "thin-channeled". The voltage is high
enough that it can pass through air.

In addition, this electricity does not generate any perceptible heat
when passing through air. A computer running on this electricity never
gets hot enough to need any cooling equipment. I can touch the
electric parts of a device when on, without feeling any heat.

Since this electricity can pass through air without metal, it is
wireless.

Chips using this electricity can tolerate electrostatic discharge
without being damaged to any extent.

The PC running on this electricity is as fast as the world's current
best PC.

In addition, this PC does not contain or need any storage devices,
vacuum-tubes, glassfets, GaAsFETs, fans, cooling devices, capacitors,
resistors, magnetic parts, moving parts, semiconductors, discs, or
ROM.

All info in the PC is generated in real-time by the high-voltage, low-
amperage, thin-channeled current itself. So no storage devices are
necessary.

This PC does not need much metal since the electricity flows through
air in the PC.


Regards,

Radium

An interesting dream, but how are you going to implement the equivalent
of a logic junction (NAND, NOR, inverter, flip/flop, etc.) in this
scheme?

In a standard MOSFET arrangement, a voltage on the gate opens a current
path; there is some capacitance on the gate, which slows down the
circuit, and some resistance in the current path, which heats it up.

A superconducting computer is possible -- the concept of a Josephson
junction has been bandied about for awhile; a current flows between
two weakly-coupled semiconductors. Some research into SQUIDS
has apparently been done.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephson_junction
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SQUID

--
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Windows just messes with one's head.

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[Androcles]

"Tim Polmear" <polmear@wn.com.au> wrote in message
news:ssdd43l5jq3gf6ih4jglvbetlm6bd72hue@4ax.com...
: On 12 May 2007 12:02:17 -0700, Radium <glucegen1@gmail.com> wrote:
:
: >Hi:
: >
: >I am currently daydreaming about electricity that is direct current
: >[and has no frequency], extremely high-voltage, thin-channeled, and
: >extremely low-amperage and a PC that runs on such electricity.
: >
: >This electricity is a max of only 1 watt. The amperage is a max of 1
: >electron per second. The width of the electric channel is only 1
: >electron thick, hence it is "thin-channeled". The voltage is high
: >enough that it can pass through air.
: >
: >In addition, this electricity does not generate any perceptible heat
: >when passing through air. A computer running on this electricity never
: >gets hot enough to need any cooling equipment. I can touch the
: >electric parts of a device when on, without feeling any heat.
: >
: >Since this electricity can pass through air without metal, it is
: >wireless.
: >
: >Chips using this electricity can tolerate electrostatic discharge
: >without being damaged to any extent.
: >
: >The PC running on this electricity is as fast as the world's current
: >best PC.
: >
: >In addition, this PC does not contain or need any storage devices,
: >vacuum-tubes, glassfets, GaAsFETs, fans, cooling devices, capacitors,
: >resistors, magnetic parts, moving parts, semiconductors, discs, or
: >ROM.
: >
: >All info in the PC is generated in real-time by the high-voltage, low-
: >amperage, thin-channeled current itself. So no storage devices are
: >necessary.
: >
: >This PC does not need much metal since the electricity flows through
: >air in the PC.
: >
: >
: >Regards,
: >
: >Radium
:
: It's a great pity that people can't read an unusual post without
: immediately kicking and clawing at each other to be the first to type
: 'fuckwad' and 'moron'. There are too many cowards in the world today.
: (I can imagine them sitting in their lounge rooms watching Star Trek
: and screaming "Mass approaches infinity at the speed of light!
: Fuckwads!!")
:
: I don't know if your computer is practical, nor does it really matter.
: Practicality never stopped Asimov filling all his robots with a
: positronic brain which even the technicians of US Robotics couldn't
: understand. It's an interesting idea though I don't confess to
: understanding how you envisage it working.
:
That's true. Even Asimov didn't know how.
But.... that was fiction.

I've just bought a new PC, three fans and an enormous heat sink
on the processor. The cooling is proportional to the speed.
This was fiction too.
'Really, this is what is meant by the Fourth Dimension, though some people
who talk about the Fourth Dimension do not know they mean it. It is only
another way of looking at Time. There is no difference between Time and any
of the three dimensions of Space except that our consciousness moves along
with it.' -- Herbert George Wells - "The Time Machine" - 1895

"The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources." --Einstein




:
: ____________________________________________________
: "I like to be organised. A place for everything. And everything all over
the place."

Yes, fill the library shelves with fiction for the mob, non-fiction for the
sensible
and be wise enough to know the difference.

 

[The Great Attractor]

On 13 May 2007 14:24:43 GMT, phil-news-nospam@ipal.net wrote:

I suggest you would spend your time better by building a computer that
runs entirely on photons from light. Be sure it can handle a wide range
of photon energy levels (wavelengths). If you can fabricate picogates
that can operate entirely by holding a single photon in state and switch
the next photon based on a held photon, then you may well have achieved
the elusive 100% energy efficiency. Holding a photon would be the big
trick (they prefer to move very fast, so you will have to fool it and
run it around in a circle or bounce it back and forth).

Even a 4 bit light computer has the potential to be far faster than
anything we currently use.

There are physical devices required that make this goal very elusive,
however. You iterate one such obstacle.

 

In alt.engineering.electrical The Great Attractor <SuperM@ssiveblackholeatthecenterofthemilkywaygalaxy.org> wrote:
| On 13 May 2007 14:24:43 GMT, phil-news-nospam@ipal.net wrote:
|
|>I suggest you would spend your time better by building a computer that
|>runs entirely on photons from light. Be sure it can handle a wide range
|>of photon energy levels (wavelengths). If you can fabricate picogates
|>that can operate entirely by holding a single photon in state and switch
|>the next photon based on a held photon, then you may well have achieved
|>the elusive 100% energy efficiency. Holding a photon would be the big
|>trick (they prefer to move very fast, so you will have to fool it and
|>run it around in a circle or bounce it back and forth).
|
|
| Even a 4 bit light computer has the potential to be far faster than
| anything we currently use.

There is also such a thing as a 1-bit computer, where the computational
functions can be performed on various data sizes streamed in serially.
Two 1-bit-wide data streams can be added as they arrive if they come in
little-endian order. Many other functions of a CPU can still be made to
work on serialized 1-bit-wide data, as well. Then the parts count and
die space can be applied to making a faster serial rate instead of just
raw parallel bits. We see a lot of technology moving this way already,
such as RAMBUS, SATA, and PCI-Express.

I envision a future computer using things like the different refractive
index at different wavelengths to serialize and deserialize data within
a CPU.


| There are physical devices required that make this goal very elusive,
| however. You iterate one such obstacle.

Indeed.

Once we get to the point where we can assemble material by precise placement
of single atoms in 3 dimensions, I think we'll find ways to construct what
it takes to accomplish single photon level gates and other circuits.

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[Radium]

On May 13, 2:58 pm, The Great Attractor
<Sup...@ssiveBlackHoleAtTheCenterOfTheMilkyWayGalaxy.org> wrote:

Even a 4 bit light computer has the potential to be far faster than
anything we currently use.

My dream PC is at least 32-bit.

 

[The Great Attractor]

On 13 May 2007 21:53:24 -0700, Radium <glucegen1@gmail.com> wrote:

On May 13, 2:58 pm, The Great Attractor
Sup...@ssiveBlackHoleAtTheCenterOfTheMilkyWayGalaxy.org> wrote:

Even a 4 bit light computer has the potential to be far faster than
anything we currently use.

My dream PC is at least 32-bit.

Then, as stated earlier... you really don't get it.

 

In alt.engineering.electrical Radium <glucegen1@gmail.com> wrote:
| On May 13, 2:58 pm, The Great Attractor
| <Sup...@ssiveBlackHoleAtTheCenterOfTheMilkyWayGalaxy.org> wrote:
|
|> Even a 4 bit light computer has the potential to be far faster than
|> anything we currently use.
|
| My dream PC is at least 32-bit.

I guess a 256-bit CPU architecture would comply with that dream.

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| Phil Howard KA9WGN (ka9wgn.ham.org) / Do not send to the address below |
| first name lower case at ipal.net / spamtrap-2007-05-14-0955@ipal.net |
|------------------------------------/-------------------------------------|

 

[Bob Cain]

phil-news-nospam@ipal.net wrote:

There is also such a thing as a 1-bit computer, where the computational
functions can be performed on various data sizes streamed in serially.

In the early to mid '60s Don Hitt of IBM's Systems Development
Division, a field engineer turned mainframe designer and my first
mentor, built in his Poughkeepsie basement exactly the computer who's
architecture you suggest. It used a magnetic drum memory and a glass
acoustic delay line from one of IBM's office products.

[begin reminiscence]

A couple of years later Don and Bob Wasserman designed and built the
first microprocessor so far as I can tell: a 4-bit ECL computer with
4K ram. While it was not a a single chip device it had all of the
elements necessary to call it a microprocessor. It was also the first
and most reduced RISC I've ever heard of. It had four instructions
and no arithmetic logic unit, just an accumulator it could load, store
and conditionally branch on being zero. The fourth instruction was a
branch and link. Using table lookup, storing into the instruction
stream and subroutines for ALU operations it was programmed first as a
scientific desk calculator driving an oscilloscope as a decimal digit
display device.

It was a between-project bit of fun for these guys but with serious
intent. They incorporated it in our next project, the System/370
Model 158, as its minimal-core maintenance processor to diagnose
hardware failures in the mainframe and tell field engineers what logic
card to replace. I did a large part of that programming.

It was also used as the first in-house floppy drive writer. The first
field use of a floppy was for storing the diagnostic programs that the
little processor executed in diagnosing the mainframe. As a floppy
writer it was channel attached to a System/360.

You wouldn't believe the number and variety of mechanical designs
tried out before the final 8" oxide coated mylar disk in an envelope
design that went to the field as a floppy disk.

[end reminiscence]

Thanks for triggering that memory.


Bob
--

"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no simpler."

A. Einstein

 

[Radium]

On May 12, 3:22 pm, Uncle Al <Uncle...@hate.spam.net> wrote:

What will you use as insulation, cerebro-fuckwad?

PBN [Pyrolytic Boron Nitride]

What will you use as insulation inside the CPU, cerebro-fuckwad?

PBN

Maybe/maybe not.