Mosquito Repeller

[Watson A.Name - \"Watt Su]

"Rich Grise" <rich@example.net> wrote in message
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On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 17:20:55 -0800, Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the
Dark
Remover" wrote:


"Anthony Fremont" <spam@anywhere.com> wrote in message
news:3aLwd.54305$yf.48698@fe2.texas.rr.com...

[snip]
I would agree that the single most effective way to control
mosquitoes
is to ruin their breeding grounds wherever possible.

Less like grounds and more like water. Drain all the containers of
stagnant water and put mosquito fish in the places that can't be
drained.

"Mosquito fish?"

Yeah! You gotta problem with that?? >:-I More than a half million
hits in google, and here's the first one with all the info you would
ever want, including links to even more info.
http://www.fishpondinfo.com/mosq.htm

???
Rich

 

[Rich Grise]

On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 19:56:54 -0800, Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark
Remover" wrote:

"Rich Grise" <rich@example.net> wrote in message
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 17:20:55 -0800, Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the
"Anthony Fremont" <spam@anywhere.com> wrote in message
[snip]
I would agree that the single most effective way to control
mosquitoes
is to ruin their breeding grounds wherever possible.

Less like grounds and more like water. Drain all the containers of
stagnant water and put mosquito fish in the places that can't be
drained.

"Mosquito fish?"

Yeah! You gotta problem with that?? >:-I More than a half million
hits in google, and here's the first one with all the info you would
ever want, including links to even more info.
http://www.fishpondinfo.com/mosq.htm

No, not a problem at all. It's the first time I've ever heard the
expression, is all.

<rich has been drinking>
I almost said, "It's just that..." but I have a thing about "It's just
that...", which seems to be the favorite thing for people in sitcoms and
soaps to say when there's some kind of relationship misunderstanding.
<rich is still drinking, but shuts up for the nonce>

Thanks!
Rich

 

[Don Klipstein]

In article <bu73s0pihum5e1stvrom6e32va47hn8v1j@4ax.com>, Paul Burridge wrote:

Do you actually get much of a problem with mosquitoes in the US? I'd
always thought of them as most associated with the tropics...

Heck yes, bigtime even in upstate Pennsylvania and nearby parts of New
York state, in parts of Massechussets, and much of Wisconsin, plenty other
places in the Frostbelt, as well as the more subtropical/semitropical
parts of the eastern 60%.
Ever hear of yellow fever being a problem in the past in Philadelphia?
How about the West Nile virus - recently becoming a bit of a
mosquito-borne threat in the US?
Ever hear of people buying "bug zappers" hoping to zap mosquitoes? Ever
see how many citronella candles sell in the US?

Heck, there is a region in Alaska that has (during their brief summer) a
HUGE mosquito problem, since mosquitoes managed to survive there but none
of their natural enemies do! Go outdoors there with uncovered skin during
the season, and you get swarms of mosquitoes waiting for unocupied feeding
space on your skin!

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com) - bitten in Chicago, Philadelphia,
Boston, Orlando, and upstate Pennsylvania!

 

[Don Klipstein]

In article <tmm3s0t0sjgg48dc3telna459rqin9qhhc@4ax.com>, Jim Thompson wrote:

On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 10:57:23 -0800, "Watson A.Name - \"Watt Sun, the
Dark Remover\"" <NOSPAM@dslextreme.com> wrote:

[snip]

You make some valid points, but it should not be implied that because of
the diseases, we should wipe out the habitats of other animals. After
all, wiping out the disease itself, or its vector, the mosquito, is
really the solution. DDT did wonders for eradicating malaria and those
fevers in africa, but we all know that when it got into the food chain,
it did serious damage. So perhaps it's better to use something like
this (see URL below) to catch the skeeters, instead.

Wow, 176 species of skeeters in the U.S.! Read the last paragraph for a
quick summary of the methods used to control skeeters.

http://www.mosquito.org/MosqInfo/Traps.htm


The problem we have in Arizona... it rained once upon a time and made
a mudhole... and, as is common to the desert, the mudhole sprouted
toads.

I have looked a bit at what meteorological literature has to say about
Phoenix in the mid and late summer - not truly arid, but appearing to me
to qualify as semiarid, even with enough moisture for a Philadelphian to
notice some humidity! Heck, an average July in Phoenix managed somehow
to "officially" average about 3 inches of rain, which is almost as much
rain as an average month in Philadelphia!
Along with humidity around 25-30% at the time of day with highest
temperature, higher at other times of the day, around or over 70% at dawn-
maybe closer to 50-60% in downtown Phoenix where it cools less at night.
Philadelphia or Washington DC during a heatwave has relative humidity
usually around 40-50% at the time of day that has the highest temperature
(and 80-90% relative humidity during breakfast time). Ever hear of the
monsoon season that a significant portion of Arizona has - there is such a
thing!

Then the DUMBSHIT GREENHEADS got it declared a wetlands by the Clinton
administration, and we now have to keep adding water to the mudhole to
keep it wet.

So we have mosquitos in the desert :-(

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

 

[Don Klipstein]

In article <r794s0hiie6898h3r45dj4cb63tuhp666m@4ax.com>, Jim Thompson wrote:

Anyone know about those devices that generate a CO2 fog, attracting
the mosquitos and then "vacuums" them into a trap?

...Jim Thompson

Heard about them...

Supposedly much more effective than the traps that use UV lights, but
that can easily harvest merely drops in the bucketloads of the mosquito
population. Biting mosquitoes are not attracted much to UV lamps.

At least the CO2 traps do not trap lacewings, which are attarcted by
the UV-based traps and which are a significant enemy of aphids.

----------------------------------------------------

One insect that I noticed easily trapped by blacklight and blue lights -
leafhoppers. Leafhoppers are harmful to plants, but I don't hear about
them being some intolerable scourge. But flying leafhoppers may serve
some good - feeding and attracting bats.
One summer many years ago I tried deploying a large homebrew UV/blue
lamp based bugzapper on my block in the spring mating season of the year's
first brood of leafhoppers. It appears that I put a dent in my block's
population of leafhoppers that lasted into the early summer. My block ran
low on bats that summer, and that July was if anything a little worse than
an average July for mosquitoes.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

 

[Don Klipstein]

In article <10s3kfq1gjpl5ee@corp.supernews.com>, Watson A.Name - \"Watt
Sun, the Dark Remover\" wrote:

"Paul Burridge" <pb@notthisbit.osiris1.co.uk> wrote in message
news:bu73s0pihum5e1stvrom6e32va47hn8v1j@4ax.com...
On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 20:49:55 GMT, Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote:

I suppose the entire HVAC industry will have to refund all of the
money
for all of those filters and electrostatic precipitators and ozone
generators that people have paid so handsomely for, that the FTC has
declared by fiat, don't work.

I guess it's been decided by the government that the only way to get
healthy indoor air is to ban smoking, and that dust mite feces,
bacteria/virus/fungus spores, outgassing construction materials,
human
effluvia, and so on have nothing to do with it.

Do you actually get much of a problem with mosquitoes in the US? I'd
always thought of them as most associated with the tropics...
--

Well, some parts of the U.S. are _in_ the tropics. Like Hawaii,
Florida, etc.

Florida is entirely outside the tropics, although part of it has a
climate that qualifies as tropical.

Then again, the climate type usually called "Warm Humid Continental" is
sometimes called "Humid Subtropical", and includes by and large the
portion of the USA's "Northeast Corridor" along and southeast of Route 1
as far north as Boston! New York City qualifies as "Humid Subtropical"!
Then again again, mosquitoes flourish in many areas of the USA that are
"cool humid continental"!

A few nasty cold days in some especially cold winters in Philadelphia in
the early and mid 1980's had temperatures as cold as -7 degrees F (-22
degrees C) - did that free Philadelphia of mosquitoes? How about -40
degrees (or a little colder) in Wisconsin? Small insects manage to have
some individuals make it through awfully cold temperatures, and ever
notice how rapidly they can multiply once conditions get favorable again...

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

 

[Chuck Harris]

Don Klipstein wrote:

http://www.junkscience.com/ddtfaq.htm


I have been there before - found it to be quite a biased site.

They even had junk science of their own - at one point they claimed that
rising temperature measurements at official weather stations were from
trees growing taller over the years.

And the research you've done shows that this isn't true? There is an additional
factor, and that is the encroaching civilization near the weather stations that
were formerly in the boonies. Ever notice the tremendous number of remote access
weather stations that are placed along the major interstates? Think the heat
blown off by the cars and trucks might have an effect on the average temperature
seen there?

I was reading one research paper that showed that the average temperatures seen
by global satellites were actually dropping.

-Chuck Harris

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 06:51:57 +0000 (UTC), don@manx.misty.com (Don
Klipstein) wrote:

In article <tmm3s0t0sjgg48dc3telna459rqin9qhhc@4ax.com>, Jim Thompson wrote:
On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 10:57:23 -0800, "Watson A.Name - \"Watt Sun, the
Dark Remover\"" <NOSPAM@dslextreme.com> wrote:

[snip]

You make some valid points, but it should not be implied that because of
the diseases, we should wipe out the habitats of other animals. After
all, wiping out the disease itself, or its vector, the mosquito, is
really the solution. DDT did wonders for eradicating malaria and those
fevers in africa, but we all know that when it got into the food chain,
it did serious damage. So perhaps it's better to use something like
this (see URL below) to catch the skeeters, instead.

Wow, 176 species of skeeters in the U.S.! Read the last paragraph for a
quick summary of the methods used to control skeeters.

http://www.mosquito.org/MosqInfo/Traps.htm


The problem we have in Arizona... it rained once upon a time and made
a mudhole... and, as is common to the desert, the mudhole sprouted
toads.

I have looked a bit at what meteorological literature has to say about
Phoenix in the mid and late summer - not truly arid, but appearing to me
to qualify as semiarid, even with enough moisture for a Philadelphian to
notice some humidity! Heck, an average July in Phoenix managed somehow
to "officially" average about 3 inches of rain, which is almost as much
rain as an average month in Philadelphia!
Along with humidity around 25-30% at the time of day with highest
temperature, higher at other times of the day, around or over 70% at dawn-
maybe closer to 50-60% in downtown Phoenix where it cools less at night.
Philadelphia or Washington DC during a heatwave has relative humidity
usually around 40-50% at the time of day that has the highest temperature
(and 80-90% relative humidity during breakfast time). Ever hear of the
monsoon season that a significant portion of Arizona has - there is such a
thing!

Then the DUMBSHIT GREENHEADS got it declared a wetlands by the Clinton
administration, and we now have to keep adding water to the mudhole to
keep it wet.

So we have mosquitos in the desert :-(

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

(1) The Phoenix area averages 6"-7" of rain for the YEAR. Typically
it rains in July-August and January-March. However some of these
recent strange winter storms have dipped south into AZ, giving *lots*
of snow up north, and a week's worth of drizzle here in PHX a few
weeks ago.

(2) The 25-30% humidity you quote only happens *during* a summer
storm, 2-3 total on July-August.

(3) I don't know where you got your humidity numbers for DC, but I was
born there, and it's hell on wheels in the summer.

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

 

[GrayFox]

We began using a Brewer's Yeast tablet once a day in 2000, and I'll bet
we haven't had more then a dozen mosquito bites total to date. AND,
that includes a summer trip to Alaska!

 

[Watson A.Name - \"Watt Su]

"GrayFox" <jayww35@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:jayww35-E6DFB0.10350418122004@news.giganews.com...

We began using a Brewer's Yeast tablet once a day in 2000, and I'll
bet
we haven't had more then a dozen mosquito bites total to date. AND,
that includes a summer trip to Alaska!

Man, I started this thread and asked why I'm still able to purchase
these things nearly two years after they were supposed to stop make
these claims. but it says right on t he poackage, "Repels mosquitos
from your personal space." http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2003/02/lentek.htm

But this thread has been going on and on, without a single bit on the
original topic, which was electronic repellers. Yeah, there were CO2,
yada yada repellers. That's not what I was expecting.

As for brewers yeast, I thought that was rreally heavy with vitamin Bs,
and if you get too much niacin, you turn into 'pink skin'. Andorrians
ought to like that. ;-)

 

[Chuck Harris]

Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover" wrote:

"GrayFox" <jayww35@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:jayww35-E6DFB0.10350418122004@news.giganews.com...

We began using a Brewer's Yeast tablet once a day in 2000, and I'll

bet

we haven't had more then a dozen mosquito bites total to date. AND,
that includes a summer trip to Alaska!


Man, I started this thread and asked why I'm still able to purchase
these things nearly two years after they were supposed to stop make
these claims. but it says right on t he poackage, "Repels mosquitos
from your personal space." http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2003/02/lentek.htm

But this thread has been going on and on, without a single bit on the
original topic, which was electronic repellers. Yeah, there were CO2,
yada yada repellers. That's not what I was expecting.

Hi Watson,

Perhaps we don't know? Perhaps the distribution stream was saturated
with the little buggers, and the FTC rule only prohibited deceptive
labeling on new units? What is the manufacture date on the units
you bought? Knowing that they don't work, why did you buy them?


-Chuck Harris

 

[Anthony Fremont]

"Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover"" <NOSPAM@dslextreme.com>
wrote in

Man, I started this thread and asked why I'm still able to purchase
these things nearly two years after they were supposed to stop make
these claims. but it says right on t he poackage, "Repels mosquitos
from your personal space." http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2003/02/lentek.htm

Somebody already said that the restriction was qualified by this clause:
"unless they have competent and reliable scientific evidence to support
the claims". It would appear that Lentek is in posession of such
evidence since their website is currently violating everything in the
restriction.

Most products are not 100% effective, why should Lentek's be required to
be any different? I've never experimented on mosquitos with ultrasound
to see if it "repels" them. It's not entirely unreasonable to think
that the mosquitos may be sensitive to the sound vibrations of a natural
predatory enemy and wish to leave the vicinity, this is the claim that
I've seen others make about it. Perhaps, by subjecting mosquitos to
several hundred dB of ultrasound at the proper frequency, Lentek was
able to demonstrate some effectiveness to their methods. ;-)

There are many forms of snake-oil available these days, just look at the
common audiophool. ;-)

But this thread has been going on and on, without a single bit on the
original topic, which was electronic repellers. Yeah, there were CO2,
yada yada repellers. That's not what I was expecting.

As for brewers yeast, I thought that was rreally heavy with vitamin
Bs,
and if you get too much niacin, you turn into 'pink skin'. Andorrians
ought to like that. ;-)

 

[Watson A.Name - \"Watt Su]

"Chuck Harris" <cf-NO-SPAM-harris@erols.com> wrote in message
newsfCdnb6bM7DMEVncRVn-vQ@rcn.net...

Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover" wrote:
"GrayFox" <jayww35@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:jayww35-E6DFB0.10350418122004@news.giganews.com...

We began using a Brewer's Yeast tablet once a day in 2000, and I'll

bet

we haven't had more then a dozen mosquito bites total to date. AND,
that includes a summer trip to Alaska!


Man, I started this thread and asked why I'm still able to purchase
these things nearly two years after they were supposed to stop make
these claims. but it says right on t he poackage, "Repels mosquitos
from your personal space."
http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2003/02/lentek.htm

But this thread has been going on and on, without a single bit on
the
original topic, which was electronic repellers. Yeah, there were
CO2,
yada yada repellers. That's not what I was expecting.

Hi Watson,

Perhaps we don't know? Perhaps the distribution stream was saturated
with the little buggers, and the FTC rule only prohibited deceptive
labeling on new units? What is the manufacture date on the units
you bought? Knowing that they don't work, why did you buy them?

Says Made in China, but I can't find any indication of a date. Says US
EPA EST NO 72092-CHN-001 on it.

I bought it for its collectible value. Someday they won't be around.
And I can always use it for an ultrasonic tone generator. ;-)


> -Chuck Harris

 

[Watson A.Name - \"Watt Su]

"Anthony Fremont" <spam@anywhere.com> wrote in message
news:eg0xd.55550$yf.38724@fe2.texas.rr.com...

"Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover"" <NOSPAM@dslextreme.com
wrote in

Man, I started this thread and asked why I'm still able to purchase
these things nearly two years after they were supposed to stop make
these claims. but it says right on t he poackage, "Repels mosquitos
from your personal space."
http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2003/02/lentek.htm

Somebody already said that the restriction was qualified by this
clause:
"unless they have competent and reliable scientific evidence to
support
the claims". It would appear that Lentek is in posession of such
evidence since their website is currently violating everything in the
restriction.

I didn't see anything on their website about these ultrasonic repellers.

Most products are not 100% effective, why should Lentek's be required
to
be any different?

They are not expected to be 100% effective. All they have to do is
demonstrate scientifically that they do have some capability to repel,
but apparently they couldn't even do that much. My experience was that
someone gave me a cockroach repeller that they had in their kitchen, and
I opened it up and found that the roaches had lived inside very
comfortably.
:-( It was made by "Panasony"!

I've never experimented on mosquitos with ultrasound
to see if it "repels" them. It's not entirely unreasonable to think
that the mosquitos may be sensitive to the sound vibrations of a
natural
predatory enemy and wish to leave the vicinity, this is the claim that
I've seen others make about it. Perhaps, by subjecting mosquitos to
several hundred dB of ultrasound at the proper frequency, Lentek was
able to demonstrate some effectiveness to their methods. ;-)

This thing runs on a couple button cells, and can't make that much
power.

[snip]

 

[Rich Grise]

"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
news:tmm3s0t0sjgg48dc3telna459rqin9qhhc@4ax.com...

On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 10:57:23 -0800, "Watson A.Name - \"Watt Sun, the
Dark Remover\"" <NOSPAM@dslextreme.com> wrote:
[snip]

The problem we have in Arizona... it rained once upon a time and made
a mudhole... and, as is common to the desert, the mudhole sprouted
toads.

Then the DUMBSHIT GREENHEADS got it declared a wetlands by the Clinton
administration, and we now have to keep adding water to the mudhole to
keep it wet.

So we have mosquitos in the desert :-(

I think the cure for mosquitos is to treat DUMBSHIT GREENHEADS with
massive doses of Dioxin ;-)

Well, isn't our duly elected neocon government going to get rid of the
Clinton greenhead asininity? Or isn't that on their agenda?

Thanks,
Rich

 

[Rich Grise]

"Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover"" wrote:

"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 10:57:23 -0800, "Watson A.Name
[snip]
So we have mosquitos in the desert :-(

I think the cure for mosquitos is to treat DUMBSHIT GREENHEADS with
massive doses of Dioxin ;-)

So what you need is a law that says that if they are trying to replace
drylands with wetlands, they are the ones that are 'screwing up' the
environment.

Somehow, the mysterious appearance of toads in the new wetland sounds
like the kind of thing that the greenies could use for leverage. As
far as the politics of the thing, the greenies wouldn't have such power
to weild if there wasn't so such an insanely excessive amount of
government power in general.

Say, Jim, you're a republican, right? I was raised republican - in HS,
I was in on the AuH2O-64 campaign. But my point is, have they lost
the vision of "limited government?" (That was a pretty good reason to
be a republican back then, as I'm sure you know.)

Thanks,
Rich

 

[Rich Grise]

"Chuck Harris" <cf-NO-SPAM-harris@erols.com> wrote in message
news:YcmdnU9lk8r6kF_cRVn-ow@rcn.net...

DDT is an example of a clusterfob of major order, every bad thing it
was said to have done has been proven to be wrong.

Look at:

http://www.junkscience.com/ddtfaq.htm

You might find it interesting.

Well, I'll be!

All it is is dichlorodiphenyltrichloroethane! Banning that is like banning
suntan lotion!

Oh. My. Gawd.

I've been reading the page while leaving this post pending on screen, and
came up on item 11, under "demagogued out of use":

Population control advocates blamed DDT for increasing third world
population.
In the 1960s, World Health Organization authorities believed there was no
alternative to the overpopulation problem but to assure than up to 40
percent
of the children in poor nations would die of malaria. As an official of
the
Agency for International Development stated, "Rather dead than alive and
riotously reproducing."

So the banning of DDT is a neonazi eugenics program.

Grrrr!

Thanks,
Rich

 

[Anthony Fremont]

"Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover"" <NOSPAM@dslextreme.com>
wrote in message news:10s9sd719lpn881@corp.supernews.com...

"Anthony Fremont" <spam@anywhere.com> wrote in message

Most products are not 100% effective, why should Lentek's be
required
to
be any different?

They are not expected to be 100% effective. All they have to do is
demonstrate scientifically that they do have some capability to repel,
but apparently they couldn't even do that much. My experience was
that
someone gave me a cockroach repeller that they had in their kitchen,
and
I opened it up and found that the roaches had lived inside very
comfortably.
:-( It was made by "Panasony"!

Mystery solved:
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_2002_Dec_24/ai_95768817
This article is dated only a few months after the initial FTC action.
It would appear that Lentek is now in compliance with FTC regulations.
How do we know the entire action wasn't instigated by some well known
maker of a product containing DEET? I mean, I can still buy magnets
that give me better gas mileage, keep my pipes from rusting and relieve
my pain. Audio patch cables for thousands of dollars, $500 knobs that
improve my sound clarity, snake oil abounds. Why does Lentek upset you
so much?

I've never experimented on mosquitos with ultrasound
to see if it "repels" them. It's not entirely unreasonable to think
that the mosquitos may be sensitive to the sound vibrations of a
natural
predatory enemy and wish to leave the vicinity, this is the claim
that
I've seen others make about it. Perhaps, by subjecting mosquitos to
several hundred dB of ultrasound at the proper frequency, Lentek was
able to demonstrate some effectiveness to their methods. ;-)

This thing runs on a couple button cells, and can't make that much
power.

I know, hence the ;-) Maybe not surprisingly, Lentek also makes
cleaning products. Perhaps they'll soon be manufacturing
pharmaceuticals. ;-)

 

[Anthony Fremont]

"Don Klipstein" <don@manx.misty.com> wrote in message
news:slrncsact5.l5b.don@manx.misty.com...

In article <eg0xd.55550$yf.38724@fe2.texas.rr.com>, Anthony Fremont
wrote:

"Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover""
NOSPAM@dslextreme.com
wrote in

Man, I started this thread and asked why I'm still able to purchase
these things nearly two years after they were supposed to stop make
these claims. but it says right on t he poackage, "Repels
mosquitos
from your personal space."
http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2003/02/lentek.htm

Somebody already said that the restriction was qualified by this
clause:
"unless they have competent and reliable scientific evidence to
support
the claims". It would appear that Lentek is in posession of such
evidence since their website is currently violating everything in the
restriction.

Most products are not 100% effective, why should Lentek's be required
to
be any different?

Do I see someone depending on an adversary having a burden to prove
them
being wrong in claiming some exception or higher standard of proof
that
they are wrong?

I'm not sure exactly what you mean here, but if you mean that I think
that the disputor (FTC) has a responsibility to show some evidence of
their claims if they are going to summarily issue an injuction against
Lentek, then yes.

I've never experimented on mosquitos with ultrasound
to see if it "repels" them. It's not entirely unreasonable to think
that the mosquitos may be sensitive to the sound vibrations of a
natural
predatory enemy and wish to leave the vicinity, this is the claim
that
I've seen others make about it.

Easy enough to show wrong if only a few people make the effort to
colect
and present the data.

How do you know that? How do you know what the outcome would be? I'm
not trying to be argumentative here, but have you done any studies on
the topic? Do you know anyone who has? All I'm getting at is that
until someone can show that Lentek's product doesn't work and Lentek has
the ability to offer evidence that they do (4 volumes by Lentek's
account, including independant claims), then Lentek is only doing what
any other company is doing in todays advertising world. AFAICT,
research from it's own "labs" has always been good enough for companys
to make claims in advertising, being able to offer independant third
party evidence is just icing on the cake. It seems to be good enough to
get a drug approved.

Perhaps, by subjecting mosquitos to
several hundred dB of ultrasound at the proper frequency, Lentek was
able to demonstrate some effectiveness to their methods. ;-)

Does anyone have any idea what several hundred dB is? I thought the
interior of a jet engine or 1 millimeter from the impact zone of a
jackhammer was less than 200 dB!

;-) ;-) ;-) It was a joke. I would imagine that several hundred dB
of sound would probably kill. I've heard that those competition grade
super-loud car stereos can literally stop your heart. No joke on that.

There are many forms of snake-oil available these days, just look at
the
common audiophool. ;-)

But this thread has been going on and on, without a single bit on
the
original topic, which was electronic repellers. Yeah, there were
CO2,
yada yada repellers. That's not what I was expecting.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

 

[Don Klipstein]

In article <C5ednWk-Tsk33FncRVn-qg@rcn.net>, Chuck Harris wrote:

Don Klipstein wrote:


http://www.junkscience.com/ddtfaq.htm


I have been there before - found it to be quite a biased site.

They even had junk science of their own - at one point they claimed that
rising temperature measurements at official weather stations were from
trees growing taller over the years.

And the research you've done shows that this isn't true? There is an additional
factor, and that is the encroaching civilization near the weather stations that
were formerly in the boonies. Ever notice the tremendous number of remote access
weather stations that are placed along the major interstates? Think the heat
blown off by the cars and trucks might have an effect on the average temperature
seen there?

I was reading one research paper that showed that the average
temperatures seen by global satellites were actually dropping.

Like the one I saw a few years ago in ads by an oil company citing
satellite studies with mention only of data at a specific altitude in the
atmosphere that gains the most cooling from increased convection as a
result of increasing temperature of the atmosphere close to the planet's
surface? Or from temperatures near the tropopause or in the stratosphere
decreasing in the last decade or two of the 20th century due to pollutants
damaging the ozone layer - and the ozone layer is a major reason why we
have a stratosphere where we have been used to one existing?

-Chuck Harris

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)