MH370 crash site identified with amateur radio technology...

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 3:58:47 AM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:

On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 10:53:44 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 4:44:25 AM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 7:32:16 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 11:31:35 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 3:23:05 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 9:51:18 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 4:43:02 AM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 2:12:50 AM UTC-7, wrote:
https://www.wired.com/2015/07/still-best-theory-mh370/

<snip>

And this:

- Battery acid smells like rotten eggs or burnt rubber, and it has a strong acidic odor ...

https://www.tycorun.com/blogs/news/how-to-spot-battery-leaking-acid-helpful-guide-to-dispose-a-leaking-battery

This is a lead-acid car battery. You\'ve been speculating about lithium ion batteries which you find in mobile phones which do get carried on to aircraft, but don\'t seem to blow them up.

Try not to look like a total idiot.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[gggg gggg]

On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 10:32:35 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:

On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 3:58:47 AM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 10:53:44 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 4:44:25 AM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 7:32:16 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 11:31:35 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 3:23:05 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 9:51:18 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 4:43:02 AM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 2:12:50 AM UTC-7, wrote:
https://www.wired.com/2015/07/still-best-theory-mh370/
snip
And this:

- Battery acid smells like rotten eggs or burnt rubber, and it has a strong acidic odor ...

https://www.tycorun.com/blogs/news/how-to-spot-battery-leaking-acid-helpful-guide-to-dispose-a-leaking-battery
This is a lead-acid car battery. You\'ve been speculating about lithium ion batteries which you find in mobile phones which do get carried on to aircraft, but don\'t seem to blow them up.

Try not to look like a total idiot.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

https://giphy.com/gifs/simongibson2000-harrison-ford-how-dare-you-l378u4r6WniaoO69a

 

[gggg gggg]

On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 10:57:41 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:

On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 10:32:35 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 3:58:47 AM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 10:53:44 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 4:44:25 AM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 7:32:16 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 11:31:35 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 3:23:05 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 9:51:18 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 4:43:02 AM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 2:12:50 AM UTC-7, wrote:
https://www.wired.com/2015/07/still-best-theory-mh370/
snip
And this:

- Battery acid smells like rotten eggs or burnt rubber, and it has a strong acidic odor ...

https://www.tycorun.com/blogs/news/how-to-spot-battery-leaking-acid-helpful-guide-to-dispose-a-leaking-battery
This is a lead-acid car battery. You\'ve been speculating about lithium ion batteries which you find in mobile phones which do get carried on to aircraft, but don\'t seem to blow them up.

Try not to look like a total idiot.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
https://giphy.com/gifs/simongibson2000-harrison-ford-how-dare-you-l378u4r6WniaoO69a

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/cd4d2fbb-2cc3-488e-8252-74162da6ef44

 

[gggg gggg]

On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 10:57:41 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:

On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 10:32:35 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 3:58:47 AM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 10:53:44 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 4:44:25 AM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 7:32:16 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 11:31:35 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 3:23:05 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 9:51:18 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 4:43:02 AM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 2:12:50 AM UTC-7, wrote:
https://www.wired.com/2015/07/still-best-theory-mh370/
snip
And this:

- Battery acid smells like rotten eggs or burnt rubber, and it has a strong acidic odor ...

https://www.tycorun.com/blogs/news/how-to-spot-battery-leaking-acid-helpful-guide-to-dispose-a-leaking-battery
This is a lead-acid car battery. You\'ve been speculating about lithium ion batteries which you find in mobile phones which do get carried on to aircraft, but don\'t seem to blow them up.

Try not to look like a total idiot.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
https://giphy.com/gifs/simongibson2000-harrison-ford-how-dare-you-l378u4r6WniaoO69a

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/380132024788201756/

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 5:27:32 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:

On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 10:57:41 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 10:32:35 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 3:58:47 AM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 10:53:44 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 4:44:25 AM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 7:32:16 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 11:31:35 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 3:23:05 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 9:51:18 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 4:43:02 AM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 2:12:50 AM UTC-7, wrote:
https://www.wired.com/2015/07/still-best-theory-mh370/
snip
And this:

- Battery acid smells like rotten eggs or burnt rubber, and it has a strong acidic odor ...

https://www.tycorun.com/blogs/news/how-to-spot-battery-leaking-acid-helpful-guide-to-dispose-a-leaking-battery
This is a lead-acid car battery. You\'ve been speculating about lithium ion batteries which you find in mobile phones which do get carried on to aircraft, but don\'t seem to blow them up.

Try not to look like a total idiot.

https://giphy.com/gifs/simongibson2000-harrison-ford-how-dare-you-l378u4r6WniaoO69a

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/380132024788201756/

It\'s also unkind not to point out to people when they are looking like total idiots. Some people are good at deluding themselves, and sometimes you have to be perfectly explicit to get the point across.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[gggg gggg]

On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 12:50:15 AM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:

On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 5:27:32 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 10:57:41 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 10:32:35 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 3:58:47 AM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 10:53:44 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 4:44:25 AM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 7:32:16 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 11:31:35 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 3:23:05 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 9:51:18 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 4:43:02 AM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 2:12:50 AM UTC-7, wrote:
https://www.wired.com/2015/07/still-best-theory-mh370/
snip
And this:

- Battery acid smells like rotten eggs or burnt rubber, and it has a strong acidic odor ...

https://www.tycorun.com/blogs/news/how-to-spot-battery-leaking-acid-helpful-guide-to-dispose-a-leaking-battery
This is a lead-acid car battery. You\'ve been speculating about lithium ion batteries which you find in mobile phones which do get carried on to aircraft, but don\'t seem to blow them up.

Try not to look like a total idiot.

https://giphy.com/gifs/simongibson2000-harrison-ford-how-dare-you-l378u4r6WniaoO69a

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/380132024788201756/

It\'s also unkind not to point out to people when they are looking like total idiots. Some people are good at deluding themselves, and sometimes you have to be perfectly explicit to get the point across.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

https://giphy.com/gifs/thegoodfilms-robert-de-niro-taxi-driver-movie-CYUDHVmioGETu

 

[gggg gggg]

On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 10:26:35 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:

On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 3:53:44 AM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 4:44:25 AM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 7:32:16 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 11:31:35 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 3:23:05 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 9:51:18 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 4:43:02 AM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 2:12:50 AM UTC-7, wrote:
https://www.wired.com/2015/07/still-best-theory-mh370/

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-jet/mh370-lawsuit-suggests-electrical-failures-led-crash-n730571
Ambulance chaser logic. The plane went done, Boeing is worth suing, so it makes sense to allege that there was a defect in the design of the plane.

It\'s not evidence about what did go wrong, merely speculation about what might have gone wrong. The \"best theory\" is still just a theory, and will stay that way until we find enough of the wreckage to learn more.. which seems unlikely to happen.

Concerning an electrical fire, what about these 2 photos which show burn/scorch marks?:

https://www.cnn.com/2016/09/12/asia/mh370-fire-madagascar-blaine-gibson/index.html

They show discolorations. You can use an electron microscope set up to generate X-ray fluorescence from discolored areas to work out what is creating the funny colors.

The report doesn\'t mention the results of any such tests, so nobody seems to be taking the question seriously. I\'m not going to either.

According to a lady on a yacht:

- I was looking at what appeared to be an elongated plane glowing bright orange, with a trail of black smoke behind it.

https://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f108/i-think-i-saw-mh370-127132.html

But nobody seems to have taken her seriously. You do get lots of attention-seeking behavior after big news stories.

As for the orange glow:

- The senior cabin crew member was summoned. At that point, a hiss was heard before a \"tornado\" of smoke appeared, accompanied by an orange glow....When phones are crushed or deformed, it can cause a lithium battery to become pierced. This, in turn, can cause the phone to ignite. According to the AAIB, a lithium battery is more likely to catch fire during or just after charging. At the time of the incident, the passenger had plugged the phone in.

https://simpleflying.com/british-airways-787-iphone-fire/

Somebody else\'s minor disaster, with no obvious relevance to this major one.

And what about this witness:

- There was no noise, just black smoke as a result of fires before it crashed into the water. There was a strong smell of acidic fumes in the air before the plane went down, he added.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6597725/Fisherman-claims-SAW-MH370-recorded-EXACT-location-GPS.html
But it\'s the Daily Mail, in 2019. The \"witness\" might have recorded an exact GPS location. but either nobody took him seriously enough to look for wreckage from the plane around there, or they looked and didn\'t find any. The Daily Mail is infamous for the dubious quality of its \"journanlism\".

snipped more speculation about lithium ion batteries

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

That incident was widely reported:

https://www.google.com/search?q=indonesian+fisherman+mh370+fumes&sca_esv=564125615&source=hp&ei=S4j9ZOCMF9SJkPIP_ZaJuA0&iflsig=AD69kcEAAAAAZP2WW90MvHPljXtYgJ_kaxdNfBctFF1v&ved=0ahUKEwig3sDH2Z-BAxXUBEQIHX1LAtcQ4dUDCAs&uact=5&oq=indonesian+fisherman+mh370+fumes&gs_lp=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&sclient=gws-wiz#ip=1

 

[gggg gggg]

On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 2:32:16 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:

On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 11:31:35 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 3:23:05 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 9:51:18 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 4:43:02 AM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 2:12:50 AM UTC-7, wrote:
https://www.wired.com/2015/07/still-best-theory-mh370/

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-jet/mh370-lawsuit-suggests-electrical-failures-led-crash-n730571
Ambulance chaser logic. The plane went done, Boeing is worth suing, so it makes sense to allege that there was a defect in the design of the plane.

It\'s not evidence about what did go wrong, merely speculation about what might have gone wrong. The \"best theory\" is still just a theory, and will stay that way until we find enough of the wreckage to learn more. which seems unlikely to happen.

Concerning an electrical fire, what about these 2 photos which show burn/scorch marks?:

https://www.cnn.com/2016/09/12/asia/mh370-fire-madagascar-blaine-gibson/index.html
They show discolorations. You can use an electron microscope set up to generate X-ray fluorescence from discolored areas to work out what is creating the funny colors.

The report doesn\'t mention the results of any such tests, so nobody seems to be taking the question seriously. I\'m not going to either.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
According to a lady on a yacht:

- I was looking at what appeared to be an elongated plane glowing bright orange, with a trail of black smoke behind it.

https://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f108/i-think-i-saw-mh370-127132.html

As for the orange glow:

- The senior cabin crew member was summoned. At that point, a hiss was heard before a \"tornado\" of smoke appeared, accompanied by an orange glow....When phones are crushed or deformed, it can cause a lithium battery to become pierced. This, in turn, can cause the phone to ignite. According to the AAIB, a lithium battery is more likely to catch fire during or just after charging. At the time of the incident, the passenger had plugged the phone in.

https://simpleflying.com/british-airways-787-iphone-fire/

https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-deadly-cargo-inside-mh370-how-exploding-batteries-explain-the-mystery

 

[gggg gggg]

On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 2:38:29 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:

On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 2:32:16 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 11:31:35 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 3:23:05 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 9:51:18 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 4:43:02 AM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 2:12:50 AM UTC-7, wrote:
https://www.wired.com/2015/07/still-best-theory-mh370/

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-jet/mh370-lawsuit-suggests-electrical-failures-led-crash-n730571
Ambulance chaser logic. The plane went done, Boeing is worth suing, so it makes sense to allege that there was a defect in the design of the plane.

It\'s not evidence about what did go wrong, merely speculation about what might have gone wrong. The \"best theory\" is still just a theory, and will stay that way until we find enough of the wreckage to learn more. which seems unlikely to happen.

Concerning an electrical fire, what about these 2 photos which show burn/scorch marks?:

https://www.cnn.com/2016/09/12/asia/mh370-fire-madagascar-blaine-gibson/index.html
They show discolorations. You can use an electron microscope set up to generate X-ray fluorescence from discolored areas to work out what is creating the funny colors.

The report doesn\'t mention the results of any such tests, so nobody seems to be taking the question seriously. I\'m not going to either.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
According to a lady on a yacht:

- I was looking at what appeared to be an elongated plane glowing bright orange, with a trail of black smoke behind it.

https://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f108/i-think-i-saw-mh370-127132.html

As for the orange glow:

- The senior cabin crew member was summoned. At that point, a hiss was heard before a \"tornado\" of smoke appeared, accompanied by an orange glow.....When phones are crushed or deformed, it can cause a lithium battery to become pierced. This, in turn, can cause the phone to ignite. According to the AAIB, a lithium battery is more likely to catch fire during or just after charging. At the time of the incident, the passenger had plugged the phone in.

https://simpleflying.com/british-airways-787-iphone-fire/
https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-deadly-cargo-inside-mh370-how-exploding-batteries-explain-the-mystery

According to this:

- MH370 had 440 pounds of lithium batteries aboard the Boeing 777 that disappeared March 8, 2014...

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/aviation-expert-presents-theory-happened-194300991.html

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 7:43:34 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:

On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 2:38:29 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 2:32:16 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 11:31:35 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 3:23:05 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 9:51:18 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 4:43:02 AM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 2:12:50 AM UTC-7, wrote:
https://www.wired.com/2015/07/still-best-theory-mh370/

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-jet/mh370-lawsuit-suggests-electrical-failures-led-crash-n730571
Ambulance chaser logic. The plane went done, Boeing is worth suing, so it makes sense to allege that there was a defect in the design of the plane.

It\'s not evidence about what did go wrong, merely speculation about what might have gone wrong. The \"best theory\" is still just a theory, and will stay that way until we find enough of the wreckage to learn more. which seems unlikely to happen.

Concerning an electrical fire, what about these 2 photos which show burn/scorch marks?:

https://www.cnn.com/2016/09/12/asia/mh370-fire-madagascar-blaine-gibson/index.html
They show discolorations. You can use an electron microscope set up to generate X-ray fluorescence from discolored areas to work out what is creating the funny colors.

The report doesn\'t mention the results of any such tests, so nobody seems to be taking the question seriously. I\'m not going to either.

<snip>

- MH370 had 440 pounds of lithium batteries aboard the Boeing 777 that disappeared March 8, 2014...

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/aviation-expert-presents-theory-happened-194300991.html

That does seem to be Clive Irving\'s explanation. He\'s a journalist, not an aviation expert. A consignment of lithium batteries is unlikely to be shipped fully charged, and new batteries are very unlikely to go into thermal runaway. Again, there\'s no reason to take him seriously.

You can believe any lunatic theory you like, but give up on boosting it here. As I\'ve already pointed out, it make you look foolish, and there\'s no real point in touting in a forum that is aimed a people interested in electronic design. We\'ve all exploited rechargable batteries from time to time, but nobody has reported ever managing to set one on fire.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Lasse Langwadt Christensen]

søndag den 10. september 2023 kl. 07.32.35 UTC+2 skrev Anthony William Sloman:

On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 3:58:47 AM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 10:53:44 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 4:44:25 AM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 7:32:16 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 11:31:35 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 3:23:05 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 9:51:18 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 4:43:02 AM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 2:12:50 AM UTC-7, wrote:
https://www.wired.com/2015/07/still-best-theory-mh370/
snip
And this:

- Battery acid smells like rotten eggs or burnt rubber, and it has a strong acidic odor ...

https://www.tycorun.com/blogs/news/how-to-spot-battery-leaking-acid-helpful-guide-to-dispose-a-leaking-battery
This is a lead-acid car battery. You\'ve been speculating about lithium ion batteries which you find in mobile phones which do get carried on to aircraft, but don\'t seem to blow them up.

some aircrafts use lithium-ion batteries, https://simpleflying.com/boeing-787-battery-issues/

 

[John Walliker]

On Sunday, 10 September 2023 at 12:04:14 UTC+1, Anthony William Sloman wrote:

On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 7:43:34 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 2:38:29 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 2:32:16 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 11:31:35 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 3:23:05 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 9:51:18 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 4:43:02 AM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 2:12:50 AM UTC-7, wrote:
https://www.wired.com/2015/07/still-best-theory-mh370/

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-jet/mh370-lawsuit-suggests-electrical-failures-led-crash-n730571
Ambulance chaser logic. The plane went done, Boeing is worth suing, so it makes sense to allege that there was a defect in the design of the plane.

It\'s not evidence about what did go wrong, merely speculation about what might have gone wrong. The \"best theory\" is still just a theory, and will stay that way until we find enough of the wreckage to learn more.. which seems unlikely to happen.

Concerning an electrical fire, what about these 2 photos which show burn/scorch marks?:

https://www.cnn.com/2016/09/12/asia/mh370-fire-madagascar-blaine-gibson/index.html
They show discolorations. You can use an electron microscope set up to generate X-ray fluorescence from discolored areas to work out what is creating the funny colors.

The report doesn\'t mention the results of any such tests, so nobody seems to be taking the question seriously. I\'m not going to either.
snip
- MH370 had 440 pounds of lithium batteries aboard the Boeing 777 that disappeared March 8, 2014...

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/aviation-expert-presents-theory-happened-194300991.html
That does seem to be Clive Irving\'s explanation. He\'s a journalist, not an aviation expert. A consignment of lithium batteries is unlikely to be shipped fully charged, and new batteries are very unlikely to go into thermal runaway. Again, there\'s no reason to take him seriously.

I\'m not so sure about your second point. I was told by somebody with first hand knowledge of
the matter that early failures do happen and that manufacturers used to quarantine batteries
for a few days before shipping them. Now, they tend to ship as soon as possible which means that
failures in transit may be more likely.
John

You can believe any lunatic theory you like, but give up on boosting it here. As I\'ve already pointed out, it make you look foolish, and there\'s no real point in touting in a forum that is aimed a people interested in electronic design. We\'ve all exploited rechargable batteries from time to time, but nobody has reported ever managing to set one on fire.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 12:12:09 AM UTC+10, John Walliker wrote:

On Sunday, 10 September 2023 at 12:04:14 UTC+1, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 7:43:34 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 2:38:29 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 2:32:16 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 11:31:35 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 3:23:05 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 9:51:18 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 4:43:02 AM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 2:12:50 AM UTC-7, wrote:
https://www.wired.com/2015/07/still-best-theory-mh370/

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-jet/mh370-lawsuit-suggests-electrical-failures-led-crash-n730571
Ambulance chaser logic. The plane went done, Boeing is worth suing, so it makes sense to allege that there was a defect in the design of the plane.

It\'s not evidence about what did go wrong, merely speculation about what might have gone wrong. The \"best theory\" is still just a theory, and will stay that way until we find enough of the wreckage to learn more. which seems unlikely to happen.

Concerning an electrical fire, what about these 2 photos which show burn/scorch marks?:

https://www.cnn.com/2016/09/12/asia/mh370-fire-madagascar-blaine-gibson/index.html
They show discolorations. You can use an electron microscope set up to generate X-ray fluorescence from discolored areas to work out what is creating the funny colors.

The report doesn\'t mention the results of any such tests, so nobody seems to be taking the question seriously. I\'m not going to either.
snip
- MH370 had 440 pounds of lithium batteries aboard the Boeing 777 that disappeared March 8, 2014...

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/aviation-expert-presents-theory-happened-194300991.html
That does seem to be Clive Irving\'s explanation. He\'s a journalist, not an aviation expert. A consignment of lithium batteries is unlikely to be shipped fully charged, and new batteries are very unlikely to go into thermal runaway. Again, there\'s no reason to take him seriously.

I\'m not so sure about your second point. I was told by somebody with first hand knowledge of
the matter that early failures do happen and that manufacturers used to quarantine batteries
for a few days before shipping them. Now, they tend to ship as soon as possible which means that
failures in transit may be more likely.

It more likely means that they check them for self-heating as they come off the production line and sling out any potential early failures rapidly.

Paying for quarantine space is expensive, and would justify spending money on test gear that could get the result faster.

Better production techniques might have just eliminated the problem. Producing better batteries faster does involve understanding what you are doing in more detail - one of my undergraduate friends has a granddaughter who is about to marry a guy who has just got a Ph.D. in lithium battery chemistry. The field has moved on a lot in recent years.

> > You can believe any lunatic theory you like, but give up on boosting it here. As I\'ve already pointed out, it make you look foolish, and there\'s no real point in touting in a forum that is aimed a people interested in electronic design. We\'ve all exploited rechargable batteries from time to time, but nobody has reported ever managing to set one on fire.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[John Larkin]

On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 00:31:22 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 10/09/2023 00:22, SteveW wrote:
On 08/09/2023 22:59, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 8 Sep 2023 19:37:27 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 08/09/2023 11:09, SteveW wrote:
On 08/09/2023 08:13, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 08/09/2023 03:47, rbowman wrote:


The big stink today seems to be the US shipping DU shells.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/us-to-begin-sending-controversial-
depleted-uranium-shells-to-ukraine

Cant imagine why. Oh of course. Russian propaganda links \'uranium\' to
\'radiation\' to \'health hazard\'  which is of course bollocks, but
simple people will believe it.

There will actually be health hazards from the dust created -
uranium is
highly poisonous. I\'m not sure that the level on danger means that they
should not be used though.

If you are in a tank that gets hit by a U238 round, ingesting thee dust
is the least of yur problems.
The dust is heavy and really inert. Its not going to drift around. It
will go back into the soil where it came from in the first place

It\'s depleted, less radioactive than the stuff they dug up.

But still a lot more concentrated than the raw ore mixed with the reast
of what is dug up.

The poisonous dust from impact can affect civilians disturbing that area
years later.

yeah, so can lead, asbestos, cigarette smoke, crop dust, brake dust....

and land mines.

 

[gggg gggg]

On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 8:44:02 AM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:

On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 12:12:09 AM UTC+10, John Walliker wrote:
On Sunday, 10 September 2023 at 12:04:14 UTC+1, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 7:43:34 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 2:38:29 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 2:32:16 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 11:31:35 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 3:23:05 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 9:51:18 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 4:43:02 AM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 2:12:50 AM UTC-7, wrote:
https://www.wired.com/2015/07/still-best-theory-mh370/

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-jet/mh370-lawsuit-suggests-electrical-failures-led-crash-n730571
Ambulance chaser logic. The plane went done, Boeing is worth suing, so it makes sense to allege that there was a defect in the design of the plane.

It\'s not evidence about what did go wrong, merely speculation about what might have gone wrong. The \"best theory\" is still just a theory, and will stay that way until we find enough of the wreckage to learn more. which seems unlikely to happen.

Concerning an electrical fire, what about these 2 photos which show burn/scorch marks?:

https://www.cnn.com/2016/09/12/asia/mh370-fire-madagascar-blaine-gibson/index.html
They show discolorations. You can use an electron microscope set up to generate X-ray fluorescence from discolored areas to work out what is creating the funny colors.

The report doesn\'t mention the results of any such tests, so nobody seems to be taking the question seriously. I\'m not going to either.
snip
- MH370 had 440 pounds of lithium batteries aboard the Boeing 777 that disappeared March 8, 2014...

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/aviation-expert-presents-theory-happened-194300991.html
That does seem to be Clive Irving\'s explanation. He\'s a journalist, not an aviation expert. A consignment of lithium batteries is unlikely to be shipped fully charged, and new batteries are very unlikely to go into thermal runaway. Again, there\'s no reason to take him seriously.

I\'m not so sure about your second point. I was told by somebody with first hand knowledge of
the matter that early failures do happen and that manufacturers used to quarantine batteries
for a few days before shipping them. Now, they tend to ship as soon as possible which means that
failures in transit may be more likely.
It more likely means that they check them for self-heating as they come off the production line and sling out any potential early failures rapidly.

Paying for quarantine space is expensive, and would justify spending money on test gear that could get the result faster.

Better production techniques might have just eliminated the problem. Producing better batteries faster does involve understanding what you are doing in more detail - one of my undergraduate friends has a granddaughter who is about to marry a guy who has just got a Ph.D. in lithium battery chemistry. The field has moved on a lot in recent years.
You can believe any lunatic theory you like, but give up on boosting it here. As I\'ve already pointed out, it make you look foolish, and there\'s no real point in touting in a forum that is aimed a people interested in electronic design. We\'ve all exploited rechargable batteries from time to time, but nobody has reported ever managing to set one on fire.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

The danger of fires hasn\'t been extinguished:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zS6dwGFv5HI&t=23s

 

[gggg gggg]

On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 11:01:57 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:

On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 8:44:02 AM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 12:12:09 AM UTC+10, John Walliker wrote:
On Sunday, 10 September 2023 at 12:04:14 UTC+1, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 7:43:34 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 2:38:29 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 2:32:16 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 11:31:35 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 3:23:05 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 9:51:18 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 4:43:02 AM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 2:12:50 AM UTC-7, wrote:
https://www.wired.com/2015/07/still-best-theory-mh370/

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-jet/mh370-lawsuit-suggests-electrical-failures-led-crash-n730571
Ambulance chaser logic. The plane went done, Boeing is worth suing, so it makes sense to allege that there was a defect in the design of the plane.

It\'s not evidence about what did go wrong, merely speculation about what might have gone wrong. The \"best theory\" is still just a theory, and will stay that way until we find enough of the wreckage to learn more. which seems unlikely to happen.

Concerning an electrical fire, what about these 2 photos which show burn/scorch marks?:

https://www.cnn.com/2016/09/12/asia/mh370-fire-madagascar-blaine-gibson/index.html
They show discolorations. You can use an electron microscope set up to generate X-ray fluorescence from discolored areas to work out what is creating the funny colors.

The report doesn\'t mention the results of any such tests, so nobody seems to be taking the question seriously. I\'m not going to either..
snip
- MH370 had 440 pounds of lithium batteries aboard the Boeing 777 that disappeared March 8, 2014...

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/aviation-expert-presents-theory-happened-194300991.html
That does seem to be Clive Irving\'s explanation. He\'s a journalist, not an aviation expert. A consignment of lithium batteries is unlikely to be shipped fully charged, and new batteries are very unlikely to go into thermal runaway. Again, there\'s no reason to take him seriously.

I\'m not so sure about your second point. I was told by somebody with first hand knowledge of
the matter that early failures do happen and that manufacturers used to quarantine batteries
for a few days before shipping them. Now, they tend to ship as soon as possible which means that
failures in transit may be more likely.
It more likely means that they check them for self-heating as they come off the production line and sling out any potential early failures rapidly..

Paying for quarantine space is expensive, and would justify spending money on test gear that could get the result faster.

Better production techniques might have just eliminated the problem. Producing better batteries faster does involve understanding what you are doing in more detail - one of my undergraduate friends has a granddaughter who is about to marry a guy who has just got a Ph.D. in lithium battery chemistry. The field has moved on a lot in recent years.
You can believe any lunatic theory you like, but give up on boosting it here. As I\'ve already pointed out, it make you look foolish, and there\'s no real point in touting in a forum that is aimed a people interested in electronic design. We\'ve all exploited rechargable batteries from time to time, but nobody has reported ever managing to set one on fire.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
The danger of fires hasn\'t been extinguished:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zS6dwGFv5HI&t=23s

(2023 Youtube upload):

\"Covered Up! - China\'s Electric Car Safety - You\'re Being Sold a Lie!\"

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 7:30:14 AM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:

On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 11:01:57 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 8:44:02 AM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 12:12:09 AM UTC+10, John Walliker wrote:
On Sunday, 10 September 2023 at 12:04:14 UTC+1, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 7:43:34 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 2:38:29 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 2:32:16 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 11:31:35 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 3:23:05 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 9:51:18 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 4:43:02 AM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 2:12:50 AM UTC-7, wrote:

<snip>

> \"Covered Up! - China\'s Electric Car Safety - You\'re Being Sold a Lie!\"

And gggg gggg is the guy selling it.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[gggg gggg]

On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 10:01:24 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:

On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 7:30:14 AM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 11:01:57 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 8:44:02 AM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 12:12:09 AM UTC+10, John Walliker wrote:
On Sunday, 10 September 2023 at 12:04:14 UTC+1, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 7:43:34 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 2:38:29 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 2:32:16 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 11:31:35 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 3:23:05 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 9:51:18 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 4:43:02 AM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 2:12:50 AM UTC-7, wrote:
snip
\"Covered Up! - China\'s Electric Car Safety - You\'re Being Sold a Lie!\"
And gggg gggg is the guy selling it.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

https://giphy.com/gifs/star-trek-vulcan-mr-spock-4APAe5Vw4xHGM

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 3:05:24 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:

On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 10:01:24 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 7:30:14 AM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 11:01:57 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 8:44:02 AM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 12:12:09 AM UTC+10, John Walliker wrote:
On Sunday, 10 September 2023 at 12:04:14 UTC+1, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 7:43:34 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 2:38:29 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 2:32:16 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 11:31:35 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 3:23:05 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 9:51:18 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 4:43:02 AM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 2:12:50 AM UTC-7, wrote:
snip
\"Covered Up! - China\'s Electric Car Safety - You\'re Being Sold a Lie!\"

And gggg gggg is the guy selling it.

https://giphy.com/gifs/star-trek-vulcan-mr-spock-4APAe5Vw4xHGM

Probably not. Gggg gggg doesn\'t seem to have registered the full extent of my contempt.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[gggg gggg]

On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 10:19:27 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:

On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 3:05:24 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 10:01:24 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 7:30:14 AM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 11:01:57 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 8:44:02 AM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 12:12:09 AM UTC+10, John Walliker wrote:
On Sunday, 10 September 2023 at 12:04:14 UTC+1, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 7:43:34 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 2:38:29 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 2:32:16 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 11:31:35 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 3:23:05 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 9:51:18 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 4:43:02 AM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 2:12:50 AM UTC-7, wrote:
snip
\"Covered Up! - China\'s Electric Car Safety - You\'re Being Sold a Lie!\"

And gggg gggg is the guy selling it.

https://giphy.com/gifs/star-trek-vulcan-mr-spock-4APAe5Vw4xHGM

Probably not. Gggg gggg doesn\'t seem to have registered the full extent of my contempt.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

https://giphy.com/gifs/movie-quote-cold-blooded-frankly-my-dear-l3V0AVIvgTByXMtZm