Math+ Protocol and no ventilators reduces CFR...

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Anthony Stewart

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As I stated previously and received critical feedback for lack of evidence on the treatment protocol with Vit C etc, the author of the MATH+ protocol at EVMU indicated his patient recovery was 6.1% vs the average of all hospitals at 24%.

Take any value you wish from this. https://youtu.be/xZJixjgu3tk
 
On 8/12/2020 1:27 PM, Anthony Stewart wrote:
As I stated previously and received critical feedback for lack of evidence on the treatment protocol with Vit C etc, the author of the MATH+ protocol at EVMU indicated his patient recovery was 6.1% vs the average of all hospitals at 24%.

Take any value you wish from this. https://youtu.be/xZJixjgu3tk

It\'s amusing and sad a lot of Americans seem to think they\'re going to
go into a hospital when they\'re ill and order anyone around as to what
treatment or standard of care they receive.

at least one commenter seems to get it:

\"As a layperson living in a COVID19 hotspot (South Florida), how do I go
about finding a medical care facility or medical practitioners that are
using the MATH+ protocol in the event that I, or someone in my family,
becomes infected with the virus? It is all well and good for us to
understand a treatment regimen that appear effective, but what good is
it if you cant find someone that is actually applying this protocol?\"

Have a million bucks to hire your own care team would be a good way to
start. A doctor in a major hospital has 50 other patients just as sick
as you are to deal with and someone think they\'re gonna work overtime to
save your life in particular with experimental treatments because why,
exactly.
 
On 8/12/2020 1:38 PM, bitrex wrote:
On 8/12/2020 1:27 PM, Anthony Stewart wrote:
As I stated previously and received critical feedback for lack of
evidence on the treatment protocol with Vit C etc,  the author of the
MATH+ protocol at EVMU indicated his patient recovery was 6.1% vs the
average of all hospitals at 24%.

Take any value you wish from this.  https://youtu.be/xZJixjgu3tk


It\'s amusing and sad a lot of Americans seem to think they\'re going to
go into a hospital when they\'re ill and order anyone around as to what
treatment or standard of care they receive.

at least one commenter seems to get it:

\"As a layperson living in a COVID19 hotspot (South Florida), how do I go
about finding a medical care facility or medical practitioners that are
using the MATH+ protocol in the event that I, or someone in my family,
becomes infected with the virus? It is all well and good for us to
understand a treatment regimen that appear effective, but what good is
it if you cant find someone that is actually applying this protocol?\"

Also probably get better treatment in general in areas with medical
facilities that aren\'t flooded with other arrogant mask-freedom
social-distancing-denalists who think doctors have fucking magic if
anything should happens.
 
On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 13:48:57 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 8/12/2020 1:38 PM, bitrex wrote:
On 8/12/2020 1:27 PM, Anthony Stewart wrote:
As I stated previously and received critical feedback for lack of
evidence on the treatment protocol with Vit C etc,  the author of the
MATH+ protocol at EVMU indicated his patient recovery was 6.1% vs the
average of all hospitals at 24%.

Take any value you wish from this.  https://youtu.be/xZJixjgu3tk


It\'s amusing and sad a lot of Americans seem to think they\'re going to
go into a hospital when they\'re ill and order anyone around as to what
treatment or standard of care they receive.

at least one commenter seems to get it:

\"As a layperson living in a COVID19 hotspot (South Florida), how do I go
about finding a medical care facility or medical practitioners that are
using the MATH+ protocol in the event that I, or someone in my family,
becomes infected with the virus? It is all well and good for us to
understand a treatment regimen that appear effective, but what good is
it if you cant find someone that is actually applying this protocol?\"

Also probably get better treatment in general in areas with medical
facilities that aren\'t flooded with other arrogant mask-freedom
social-distancing-denalists who think doctors have fucking magic if
anything should happens.

Wow. What an attitude.
 
On 8/12/2020 2:14 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 13:48:57 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 8/12/2020 1:38 PM, bitrex wrote:
On 8/12/2020 1:27 PM, Anthony Stewart wrote:
As I stated previously and received critical feedback for lack of
evidence on the treatment protocol with Vit C etc,  the author of the
MATH+ protocol at EVMU indicated his patient recovery was 6.1% vs the
average of all hospitals at 24%.

Take any value you wish from this.  https://youtu.be/xZJixjgu3tk


It\'s amusing and sad a lot of Americans seem to think they\'re going to
go into a hospital when they\'re ill and order anyone around as to what
treatment or standard of care they receive.

at least one commenter seems to get it:

\"As a layperson living in a COVID19 hotspot (South Florida), how do I go
about finding a medical care facility or medical practitioners that are
using the MATH+ protocol in the event that I, or someone in my family,
becomes infected with the virus? It is all well and good for us to
understand a treatment regimen that appear effective, but what good is
it if you cant find someone that is actually applying this protocol?\"

Also probably get better treatment in general in areas with medical
facilities that aren\'t flooded with other arrogant mask-freedom
social-distancing-denalists who think doctors have fucking magic if
anything should happens.

Wow. What an attitude.

Not believing in miracles or miracle fixes has served me pretty well in
this biz so far. There\'s rarely miracles to be had in medicine, either,
it\'s best to invest in not throwing dice to begin with than invest a lot
of time thinking about what dice you\'re going to throw when you\'re
already up shit creek. as Mr. Murphy\'s law applies lots of places.

There\'s no magic for you, don\'t expect it.
 
On 8/12/2020 2:14 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 13:48:57 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 8/12/2020 1:38 PM, bitrex wrote:
On 8/12/2020 1:27 PM, Anthony Stewart wrote:
As I stated previously and received critical feedback for lack of
evidence on the treatment protocol with Vit C etc,  the author of the
MATH+ protocol at EVMU indicated his patient recovery was 6.1% vs the
average of all hospitals at 24%.

Take any value you wish from this.  https://youtu.be/xZJixjgu3tk


It\'s amusing and sad a lot of Americans seem to think they\'re going to
go into a hospital when they\'re ill and order anyone around as to what
treatment or standard of care they receive.

at least one commenter seems to get it:

\"As a layperson living in a COVID19 hotspot (South Florida), how do I go
about finding a medical care facility or medical practitioners that are
using the MATH+ protocol in the event that I, or someone in my family,
becomes infected with the virus? It is all well and good for us to
understand a treatment regimen that appear effective, but what good is
it if you cant find someone that is actually applying this protocol?\"

Also probably get better treatment in general in areas with medical
facilities that aren\'t flooded with other arrogant mask-freedom
social-distancing-denalists who think doctors have fucking magic if
anything should happens.

Wow. What an attitude.

If you can\'t appreciate these wholly reality-based ideas here is the
America Salute for u:

<https://uziiw38pmyg1ai60732c4011-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/dropzone/2020/08/43833787901_cffe9b0f22_c-768x555.jpg>
 
On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 14:54:25 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 8/12/2020 2:14 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 13:48:57 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 8/12/2020 1:38 PM, bitrex wrote:
On 8/12/2020 1:27 PM, Anthony Stewart wrote:
As I stated previously and received critical feedback for lack of
evidence on the treatment protocol with Vit C etc,  the author of the
MATH+ protocol at EVMU indicated his patient recovery was 6.1% vs the
average of all hospitals at 24%.

Take any value you wish from this.  https://youtu.be/xZJixjgu3tk


It\'s amusing and sad a lot of Americans seem to think they\'re going to
go into a hospital when they\'re ill and order anyone around as to what
treatment or standard of care they receive.

at least one commenter seems to get it:

\"As a layperson living in a COVID19 hotspot (South Florida), how do I go
about finding a medical care facility or medical practitioners that are
using the MATH+ protocol in the event that I, or someone in my family,
becomes infected with the virus? It is all well and good for us to
understand a treatment regimen that appear effective, but what good is
it if you cant find someone that is actually applying this protocol?\"

Also probably get better treatment in general in areas with medical
facilities that aren\'t flooded with other arrogant mask-freedom
social-distancing-denalists who think doctors have fucking magic if
anything should happens.

Wow. What an attitude.


Not believing in miracles or miracle fixes has served me pretty well in
this biz so far.

It doesn\'t seem to produce much happiness. Gloom as a lifestyle.

There\'s rarely miracles to be had in medicine, either,
it\'s best to invest in not throwing dice to begin with than invest a lot
of time thinking about what dice you\'re going to throw when you\'re
already up shit creek. as Mr. Murphy\'s law applies lots of places.

There\'s no magic for you, don\'t expect it.

Of course I experience magic. It\'s sad that you don\'t seem to.
 
On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 14:59:54 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 8/12/2020 2:14 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 13:48:57 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 8/12/2020 1:38 PM, bitrex wrote:
On 8/12/2020 1:27 PM, Anthony Stewart wrote:
As I stated previously and received critical feedback for lack of
evidence on the treatment protocol with Vit C etc,  the author of the
MATH+ protocol at EVMU indicated his patient recovery was 6.1% vs the
average of all hospitals at 24%.

Take any value you wish from this.  https://youtu.be/xZJixjgu3tk


It\'s amusing and sad a lot of Americans seem to think they\'re going to
go into a hospital when they\'re ill and order anyone around as to what
treatment or standard of care they receive.

at least one commenter seems to get it:

\"As a layperson living in a COVID19 hotspot (South Florida), how do I go
about finding a medical care facility or medical practitioners that are
using the MATH+ protocol in the event that I, or someone in my family,
becomes infected with the virus? It is all well and good for us to
understand a treatment regimen that appear effective, but what good is
it if you cant find someone that is actually applying this protocol?\"

Also probably get better treatment in general in areas with medical
facilities that aren\'t flooded with other arrogant mask-freedom
social-distancing-denalists who think doctors have fucking magic if
anything should happens.

Wow. What an attitude.


If you can\'t appreciate these wholly reality-based ideas here is the
America Salute for u:

https://uziiw38pmyg1ai60732c4011-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/dropzone/2020/08/43833787901_cffe9b0f22_c-768x555.jpg

Got it. Bye.
 
On 8/12/2020 3:47 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 14:54:25 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 8/12/2020 2:14 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 13:48:57 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 8/12/2020 1:38 PM, bitrex wrote:
On 8/12/2020 1:27 PM, Anthony Stewart wrote:
As I stated previously and received critical feedback for lack of
evidence on the treatment protocol with Vit C etc,  the author of the
MATH+ protocol at EVMU indicated his patient recovery was 6.1% vs the
average of all hospitals at 24%.

Take any value you wish from this.  https://youtu.be/xZJixjgu3tk


It\'s amusing and sad a lot of Americans seem to think they\'re going to
go into a hospital when they\'re ill and order anyone around as to what
treatment or standard of care they receive.

at least one commenter seems to get it:

\"As a layperson living in a COVID19 hotspot (South Florida), how do I go
about finding a medical care facility or medical practitioners that are
using the MATH+ protocol in the event that I, or someone in my family,
becomes infected with the virus? It is all well and good for us to
understand a treatment regimen that appear effective, but what good is
it if you cant find someone that is actually applying this protocol?\"

Also probably get better treatment in general in areas with medical
facilities that aren\'t flooded with other arrogant mask-freedom
social-distancing-denalists who think doctors have fucking magic if
anything should happens.

Wow. What an attitude.


Not believing in miracles or miracle fixes has served me pretty well in
this biz so far.

It doesn\'t seem to produce much happiness. Gloom as a lifestyle.

There\'s rarely miracles to be had in medicine, either,
it\'s best to invest in not throwing dice to begin with than invest a lot
of time thinking about what dice you\'re going to throw when you\'re
already up shit creek. as Mr. Murphy\'s law applies lots of places.

There\'s no magic for you, don\'t expect it.

Of course I experience magic. It\'s sad that you don\'t seem to.

Hydroxychloroquine and mega-dose Vitamin C are bunkum cure-alls that
hucksters have pushed for all sorts of conditions for decades.

If they actually do anything other than what they\'re already known to do
it would be the first time.
 
On 8/12/2020 3:48 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 14:59:54 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 8/12/2020 2:14 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 13:48:57 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 8/12/2020 1:38 PM, bitrex wrote:
On 8/12/2020 1:27 PM, Anthony Stewart wrote:
As I stated previously and received critical feedback for lack of
evidence on the treatment protocol with Vit C etc,  the author of the
MATH+ protocol at EVMU indicated his patient recovery was 6.1% vs the
average of all hospitals at 24%.

Take any value you wish from this.  https://youtu.be/xZJixjgu3tk


It\'s amusing and sad a lot of Americans seem to think they\'re going to
go into a hospital when they\'re ill and order anyone around as to what
treatment or standard of care they receive.

at least one commenter seems to get it:

\"As a layperson living in a COVID19 hotspot (South Florida), how do I go
about finding a medical care facility or medical practitioners that are
using the MATH+ protocol in the event that I, or someone in my family,
becomes infected with the virus? It is all well and good for us to
understand a treatment regimen that appear effective, but what good is
it if you cant find someone that is actually applying this protocol?\"

Also probably get better treatment in general in areas with medical
facilities that aren\'t flooded with other arrogant mask-freedom
social-distancing-denalists who think doctors have fucking magic if
anything should happens.

Wow. What an attitude.


If you can\'t appreciate these wholly reality-based ideas here is the
America Salute for u:

https://uziiw38pmyg1ai60732c4011-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/dropzone/2020/08/43833787901_cffe9b0f22_c-768x555.jpg

Got it. Bye.

The Lovin\' Spoonful:

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8qZ4qzDICg>
 
On Wed. 12 Aug.-20 4:16 p.m., bitrex wrote:
The Lovin\' Spoonful:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8qZ4qzDICg
photo of a fat lady looking dumb as fuck with her finger up in the air.
(that says a lot for poor attitudes and behaviors)

You better contact your local hospital administrations and ask what is
their *Standard of Care for Treating CV19 in Stage 1,2,3 & 4* before you
have to choose one.

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/934083 Ask who can specify the
\"Standard of Care\" for CV-19. Because you want to know now and not find
out later.

10 Doctors who use Math+ say \"\"This is war. There\'s no time to
double-blind anything,\" Varon tells the camera. \"This is working. And if
it\'s working, I\'m going to keep on doing it.\"

I suspect your hospital won\'t find any answers and they won\'t tell you
their CFR either. (Case Fatality Rate)

You have a right to know.
 
On Wed. 12 Aug.-20 6:09 p.m., bitrex wrote:
On 8/12/2020 5:57 PM, Tony Stewart wrote:
On Wed. 12 Aug.-20 4:16 p.m., bitrex wrote:

The Lovin\' Spoonful:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8qZ4qzDICg
photo of a fat lady looking dumb as fuck with her finger up in the air.
(that says a lot for poor attitudes and behaviors)

No, that\'s the Lovin\' Spoonful.

no that\'s your choice of symbolism.

You have a right to know.

Most people go to somewhere on the list of approved providers their
insurance company gives them and if they\'re on the same list together
the standard of care generally isn\'t much different between them.

Otherwise you get billed at minimum, what? 8-10k per night in the
hospital for room and board alone and hopefully you have the cash handy
because nobody in America except prisoners (well, depending on the
prison) and occasionally, the totally destitute, gets health care for free.

Ah , here we can go to any hospital, free and if they find a better
surgeon available sooner, they\'ll send you if you can\'t go on your own
steam.

Why is the USA the only developed country without free healthcare?
 
On 8/12/2020 6:16 PM, Tony Stewart wrote:
On Wed. 12 Aug.-20 6:09 p.m., bitrex wrote:
On 8/12/2020 5:57 PM, Tony Stewart wrote:
On Wed. 12 Aug.-20 4:16 p.m., bitrex wrote:

The Lovin\' Spoonful:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8qZ4qzDICg
photo of a fat lady looking dumb as fuck with her finger up in the air.
(that says a lot for poor attitudes and behaviors)

No, that\'s the Lovin\' Spoonful.


no that\'s your choice of symbolism.

You have a right to know.

Most people go to somewhere on the list of approved providers their
insurance company gives them and if they\'re on the same list together
the standard of care generally isn\'t much different between them.

Otherwise you get billed at minimum, what? 8-10k per night in the
hospital for room and board alone and hopefully you have the cash
handy because nobody in America except prisoners (well, depending on
the prison) and occasionally, the totally destitute, gets health care
for free.


Ah , here we can go to any hospital, free and if they find a better
surgeon available sooner, they\'ll send you if you can\'t go on your own
steam.

Why is the USA the only developed country without free healthcare?

Because if everyone gets it then the blacks get it too and there are
millions of Americans who\'d rather die than ever give a darkie a penny
of their own money, for anything.
 
On Wed. 12 Aug.-20 6:20 p.m., bitrex wrote:
Because if everyone gets it then the blacks get it too and there are
millions of Americans who\'d rather die than ever give a darkie a penny
of their own money, for anything

One of many reasons I\'d rather not be American. Albeit nice place to
visit. Many of my relatives would rather not travel there due to
attitudes, minority or not.
 
On 8/12/2020 6:20 PM, bitrex wrote:
On 8/12/2020 6:16 PM, Tony Stewart wrote:
On Wed. 12 Aug.-20 6:09 p.m., bitrex wrote:
On 8/12/2020 5:57 PM, Tony Stewart wrote:
On Wed. 12 Aug.-20 4:16 p.m., bitrex wrote:

The Lovin\' Spoonful:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8qZ4qzDICg
photo of a fat lady looking dumb as fuck with her finger up in the air.
(that says a lot for poor attitudes and behaviors)

No, that\'s the Lovin\' Spoonful.


no that\'s your choice of symbolism.

You have a right to know.

Most people go to somewhere on the list of approved providers their
insurance company gives them and if they\'re on the same list together
the standard of care generally isn\'t much different between them.

Otherwise you get billed at minimum, what? 8-10k per night in the
hospital for room and board alone and hopefully you have the cash
handy because nobody in America except prisoners (well, depending on
the prison) and occasionally, the totally destitute, gets health care
for free.


Ah , here we can go to any hospital, free and if they find a better
surgeon available sooner, they\'ll send you if you can\'t go on your own
steam.

Why is the USA the only developed country without free healthcare?

Because if everyone gets it then the blacks get it too and there are
millions of Americans who\'d rather die than ever give a darkie a penny
of their own money, for anything.

And so it was.
 
On 8/12/2020 6:24 PM, Tony Stewart wrote:
On Wed. 12 Aug.-20 6:20 p.m., bitrex wrote:
Because if everyone gets it then the blacks get it too and there are
millions of Americans who\'d rather die than ever give a darkie a penny
of their own money, for anything

One of many reasons I\'d rather not be American. Albeit nice place to
visit. Many of my relatives would rather not travel there due to
attitudes, minority or not.

It has its ups and downs. There are patriots who are honest about the
latter, and \"patriots\" who tell themselves stories.
 
\"
I suspect your hospital won\'t find any answers and they won\'t tell you
their CFR either.  (Case Fatality Rate)

You have a right to know.

These are the CFR\'s for our province of Ontario.

10% average

Age CFR(%, adjusted censoring)
80+ 37%
70\'s 21%
60\'s 6.5%
50\'s 2.0%
40\'s 0.7%
30\'s 0.3%
20\'s 0.1%
<20 0


What are you doing to make yourself in a younger category?
 
On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 5:48:04 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 14:54:25 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

On 8/12/2020 2:14 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 13:48:57 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

On 8/12/2020 1:38 PM, bitrex wrote:
On 8/12/2020 1:27 PM, Anthony Stewart wrote:

<snip>

There\'s no magic for you, don\'t expect it.

Of course I experience magic. It\'s sad that you don\'t seem to.

As Arthur C. Clarke pointed out, any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic - if you can\'t understand what\'s going on it can certainly look like magic. John Larkin doesn\'t understand much - a good deal less than he fondly imagines - so he does get to experience quite a lot that looks like magic to him.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 8:16:11 AM UTC+10, Anthony Stewart wrote:
On Wed. 12 Aug.-20 6:09 p.m., bitrex wrote:
On 8/12/2020 5:57 PM, Tony Stewart wrote:
On Wed. 12 Aug.-20 4:16 p.m., bitrex wrote:

<snip>

Ah , here we can go to any hospital, free and if they find a better
surgeon available sooner, they\'ll send you if you can\'t go on your own
steam.

Why is the USA the only developed country without free healthcare?

No developed country has free health care, but most of them have universal health insurance, which means that you pay a fixed premium all your life and don\'t have to pay for medical attention when you need it.

The US doesn\'t have it, because it was invented by that arch-socialist, Otto von Bismarck

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_von_Bismarck

and adopting it would violate their ideological purity, or that\'s the story that James Arthur likes to tell.

In reality, work-related health insurance is one of many devices US employers use to coerce their employees, and the US health insurance business creams off a lot of profit from insuring people against medical costs that are half again higher per head than they are in the most expensive parts of the rest of the developed world.

They spend some of these profits on paying lobbyists to block any legislation that might derail their gravy train. The battle against Obamacare is a case in point. James Arthur posted a lot of their propaganda here while that battle was going on, and it was obviously designed to be deceptive and misleading, as I had fun pointing out.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On 8/12/2020 9:29 PM, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 8:16:11 AM UTC+10, Anthony Stewart wrote:
On Wed. 12 Aug.-20 6:09 p.m., bitrex wrote:
On 8/12/2020 5:57 PM, Tony Stewart wrote:
On Wed. 12 Aug.-20 4:16 p.m., bitrex wrote:

snip

Ah , here we can go to any hospital, free and if they find a better
surgeon available sooner, they\'ll send you if you can\'t go on your own
steam.

Why is the USA the only developed country without free healthcare?

No developed country has free health care, but most of them have universal health insurance, which means that you pay a fixed premium all your life and don\'t have to pay for medical attention when you need it.

The US doesn\'t have it, because it was invented by that arch-socialist, Otto von Bismarck

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_von_Bismarck

and adopting it would violate their ideological purity, or that\'s the story that James Arthur likes to tell.

In reality, work-related health insurance is one of many devices US employers use to coerce their employees, and the US health insurance business creams off a lot of profit from insuring people against medical costs that are half again higher per head than they are in the most expensive parts of the rest of the developed world.

They spend some of these profits on paying lobbyists to block any legislation that might derail their gravy train. The battle against Obamacare is a case in point. James Arthur posted a lot of their propaganda here while that battle was going on, and it was obviously designed to be deceptive and misleading, as I had fun pointing out.

It\'s a pretty pitiful amount of net profit, too. Apple makes nearly 3
times as much net as all the private health insurance companies
combined. a fraction of one percent of GDP. The lions share of it goes
to the bank accounts of maybe 500 top executives.

it\'s a salami-slicing operation.
 

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