lots of files

[Don Y]

Hi Sylvia,

On 1/13/2015 5:40 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:

On 14/01/2015 4:41 AM, Don Y wrote:

Increasingly, as "memory" (primary, secondary, etc.) becomes cheap, you
are seeing algorithms swing to the other end of the spectrum -- burning
memory to save *time*.

Look forward to seeing salted rainbow tables online.

I currently use the existing tables to determine criteria for the passwords
that *I* use! I.e., sure don't want *my* accounts vulnerable to such
easy attacks!

[Hacked my BinL's laptop as they were headed into divorce just so my
sib could see what he'd been up to!]

 

[Lasse Langwadt Christense]

Den onsdag den 14. januar 2015 kl. 15.24.03 UTC+1 skrev Phil Hobbs:

On 1/13/2015 7:44 PM, Don Y wrote:
Hi Sylvia,

On 1/13/2015 5:40 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 14/01/2015 4:41 AM, Don Y wrote:

Increasingly, as "memory" (primary, secondary, etc.) becomes cheap, you
are seeing algorithms swing to the other end of the spectrum -- burning
memory to save *time*.

Look forward to seeing salted rainbow tables online.

I currently use the existing tables to determine criteria for the passwords
that *I* use! I.e., sure don't want *my* accounts vulnerable to such
easy attacks!

[Hacked my BinL's laptop as they were headed into divorce just so my
sib could see what he'd been up to!]

I wouldn't be boasting about that too loudly in public.

http://tinyurl.com/25yh5hg

with the genders reversed it probably anything goes ...

-Lasse

 

[Phil Hobbs]

On 1/13/2015 7:44 PM, Don Y wrote:

Hi Sylvia,

On 1/13/2015 5:40 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 14/01/2015 4:41 AM, Don Y wrote:

Increasingly, as "memory" (primary, secondary, etc.) becomes cheap, you
are seeing algorithms swing to the other end of the spectrum -- burning
memory to save *time*.

Look forward to seeing salted rainbow tables online.

I currently use the existing tables to determine criteria for the passwords
that *I* use! I.e., sure don't want *my* accounts vulnerable to such
easy attacks!

[Hacked my BinL's laptop as they were headed into divorce just so my
sib could see what he'd been up to!]

I wouldn't be boasting about that too loudly in public.

http://tinyurl.com/25yh5hg

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

160 North State Road #203
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

hobbs at electrooptical dot net
http://electrooptical.net

 

[Don Y]

On 1/14/2015 7:23 AM, Phil Hobbs wrote:

On 1/13/2015 7:44 PM, Don Y wrote:
Hi Sylvia,

On 1/13/2015 5:40 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 14/01/2015 4:41 AM, Don Y wrote:

Increasingly, as "memory" (primary, secondary, etc.) becomes cheap, you
are seeing algorithms swing to the other end of the spectrum -- burning
memory to save *time*.

Look forward to seeing salted rainbow tables online.

I currently use the existing tables to determine criteria for the passwords
that *I* use! I.e., sure don't want *my* accounts vulnerable to such
easy attacks!

[Hacked my BinL's laptop as they were headed into divorce just so my
sib could see what he'd been up to!]

I wouldn't be boasting about that too loudly in public.

http://tinyurl.com/25yh5hg

All I did was provide a CD that *could* be used to disclose a password.
[Note that she could also have removed the disk from the machine and
installed it on another (D to gain access to the files. Or, installed
a keylogger. Or...]

The *affair* was made visible by her hubby's actions -- e.g., using
his cellphone with full knowledge that *she* was the party that
paid the bills. As such, routinely EXAMINED the call log -- which
includes location information: "Gee, why was he dozens of miles from
the office on all of these WORK DAYS??". Which led to a more detailed
examination of the credit card statements. And, the bank statements
("Why cash withdrawals from this ATM very remote from his office in
the middle of the work day?"). Then, a few clicks to determine the
owners of each of the telephone numbers he was calling (or receiving),
noting the mileage on the vehicles before/after work, etc.

[Can you spell "metadata" :> ]

As I said elsewhere (recently), most folks aren't aware of all of the
information that "leaks" out of the technology that they employ.

This was a repeat of an exercise we did in school decades earlier...
inferring activities from trace records associated with those
activities. It's actually an interesting sort of puzzle to solve!
You can't *prove* anything (directly) but can dramatically
increase your confidence in a particular set of conclusions.

Also, provide lots of evidence to divorce attorney who can point to
funds that have been withdrawn from communal accounts for the
apparent benefit of an extramarital liaison... (apparently, such monies
are significant in the eyes of the Court; it's not like you went out
and bought a pair of running shoes from your joint account!)

 

[Don Y]

On 1/14/2015 11:20 AM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:

Den onsdag den 14. januar 2015 kl. 15.24.03 UTC+1 skrev Phil Hobbs:

I wouldn't be boasting about that too loudly in public.

http://tinyurl.com/25yh5hg

with the genders reversed it probably anything goes ...

It would be interesting to hear the legal arguments on both sides!

E.g., *is* there a reasonable expectation of privacy in a *marriage*?
What are the parallels to a (business) partnership?? Do you have
the right to look in your spouse's wallet/purse? Bedroom dresser??
If you find something in the glove compartment that isn't *yours*,
do you have to pretend you never saw it??

I.e., what makes marriage any different than two "strangers" who
happen to be in the same place at a given *time*? Marriage is
largely about *property* rights...

 

[Frnak McKenney]

On Mon, 12 Jan 2015 17:09:27 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:

On Tue, 13 Jan 2015 10:52:30 +1100, Sylvia Else
sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote:
You're positing the existence of "enough disk space".
There ain't no such animal.
Sylvia.

The problem with disk drive space is that no matter how much storage
you have, something will come along and try to fill it. I thought I
was doing well to limit my media collection to about 1TB. Then, I
started saving multiple image backups of my customers machines. These
gobble 30-100GB per backup image. I now have about 25TB backed up,
and growing rapidly. GINO (Garbage In, Never Out).

Processing expands to exceed the available resources. This is why, six
months after you purchase the latest and fastest computer system, you
suddenly disover that it's Too Slow. ( With disk storage, I think that
the bytes shrink over time and won't hold as much data. )

If you think it's bad now, just wait until you start keeping a 24/7 log
of your daily activity using Google Glass or something similar, along
with touch, taste, and smell sensor data. Then there'll be your VR sims
( some shared, some not <grin!> ), your new 25mpixel video images for the
120" VideoWallOfTheFuture(tm), ... and your kids and grandkids want to
e-mail you copies of *their* data: "Look, here's our new baby sleeping
from 12:00-13:00 last Sunday, along with her Government Approved brain
activity scans." <grin?>

( Wonder what Facebook and YouTube will look like when people start
posting FullSenseSurround(tm) "logs" of -- say -- Thanksgiving dinner,
or "My First Date"? )

For those that don't believe that hard disks fill themselves while
you're not looking, just leave an empty waste basket anywhere in the
office and watch as it fill up by itself.

I'm impressed. I haven't had much success getting my Junque to leap into
the wastebaskets; it just crawls off under the desk and hides behind
other Stacks-O-Stuff.

I *really* need a "pocket universe" to keep all this Stuff in. And
another to hold the index...


Frank McKenney
--
A common hesitation in our day touching the use of extreme
convictions is a sort of notion that extreme convictions,
specially on cosmic matters, have been responsible in the past
for the thing which is called bigotry. But a very small amount of
direct experience will dissipate this view. In real life the
people who are most bigoted are the people who have no convictions
at all. ... Bigotry may roughly be defined as the frenzy of the
indifferent. This frenzy of the indifferent is in truth a terrible
thing; it has made all monstrous and widely pervading persecutions.
-- G.K. Chesterton: Concluding Remarks (1905)
--
Frank McKenney, McKenney Associates
Richmond, Virginia / (804) 320-4887
Munged E-mail: frank uscore mckenney aatt mindspring ddoott com

 

[Don Y]

Hi Frank,

On 1/14/2015 11:53 AM, Frnak McKenney wrote:

Processing expands to exceed the available resources. This is why, six
months after you purchase the latest and fastest computer system, you
suddenly disover that it's Too Slow. ( With disk storage, I think that
the bytes shrink over time and won't hold as much data. )

"Byte shrinkage" -- I've got to remember that! My previous favorite
was "font error" (to explain a typographical error -- as if the typeface
was somehow responsible for the "misREPRESENTATION")

I'm impressed. I haven't had much success getting my Junque to leap into
the wastebaskets; it just crawls off under the desk and hides behind
other Stacks-O-Stuff.

I'd be *thrilled* if mine would "crawl off"! But, it appears to be
much lazier than either yours *or* Jeff's -- it requires active
participation on my part to coerce it from point A to point B. :<
I probably should have been more forceful in training it while it
was "growing up"...

 

[Spehro Pefhany]

On Tue, 13 Jan 2015 13:02:42 -0700, Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> wrote:

On 1/13/2015 12:38 PM, John Larkin wrote:

E.g., don't expect to pan and zoom to display just an image of your
face from a photo of yourself standing next to your *mistress* and
NOT expect the mistress' identity to leak out! :

Oh. Gosh. My bad.

Not to worry. You should see what was "off screen" in her head shot
that she posted on her Facebook account!! :

My point is, this happens unbeknownst (talk about "funny words"! :> ) to
may users/publishers! Ditto for EXIF data *in* images... (I've often
wondered if many of the social media, etc. sites actually scrub this
stuff from the images posted?

Sometimes people leave all the apparently-invisible collaborative
edits in a Word doc. That can be fun. There have also been embarassing
legal PDFs where blacked-out stuff was just underneath some black
stuff, easily recovered.

Yes, people don't usually understand the tools that they are using
and their consequences. E.g., how a web browser can be fingerprinted;
how your IP address can be tracked; how your purchases can be analyzed;
etc.

A mildly paranoid friend once was stunned when I commented that his
use of 800 numbers discloses *his* phone number to the caller (this
predated the days of callerID).
"Well, how else do you think TPC will be able to bill for the service?"

As a friend pointed out, even my *avoidance* of many of these things
"profiles/identifies" *me*! ("Aha! Here's that guy with the TOTALLY
UNIQUE/atypical browser configuration that makes him *so* easy to track!")

Something like this?

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/license_plate.png

 

[Don Y]

Hi Spehro,

On 1/14/2015 2:15 PM, Spehro Pefhany wrote:

On Tue, 13 Jan 2015 13:02:42 -0700, Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> wrote:

As a friend pointed out, even my *avoidance* of many of these things
"profiles/identifies" *me*! ("Aha! Here's that guy with the TOTALLY
UNIQUE/atypical browser configuration that makes him *so* easy to track!")

Something like this?

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/license_plate.png

Ha! That's excellent! Trick is to get the license plate where each
choice is "inverted" and, when the cops come knocking, claim "it must
have been the OTHER guy!"

 

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Wed, 14 Jan 2015 12:53:18 -0600, Frnak McKenney
<frnak@far.from.the.madding.crowd.com> wrote:

>Processing expands to exceed the available resources.

Not a problem. My machines have a large swap partition or swap file.
When I run out of RAM, I switch to gobbling diskspace. The more
common description is that for every advance in hardware processing
power is negated by an equal and opposite increase in software bloat
and processing speed. The net result is something like standing
still.

This is why, six
months after you purchase the latest and fastest computer system, you
suddenly disover that it's Too Slow. ( With disk storage, I think that
the bytes shrink over time and won't hold as much data. )

I never buy the latest and greatest. Those are for my customers. I
buy their previous generation machines, at absurdly low prices.
Computahs are a miserable investment.

If you think it's bad now, just wait until you start keeping a 24/7 log
of your daily activity using Google Glass or something similar, along
with touch, taste, and smell sensor data.

Ummmm... have you heard of Facebook, where some people do exactly
that? I think of it as the antithesis of privacy.

"Look, here's our new baby sleeping
from 12:00-13:00 last Sunday, along with her Government Approved brain
activity scans." <grin?

Apparently, you're not following Apple/Nest products.
<https://www.dropcam.com/baby-monitor>

For those that don't believe that hard disks fill themselves while
you're not looking, just leave an empty waste basket anywhere in the
office and watch as it fill up by itself.

I'm impressed. I haven't had much success getting my Junque to leap into
the wastebaskets; it just crawls off under the desk and hides behind
other Stacks-O-Stuff.

I didn't mention who's junk migrates to the waste basket, but it's
probably not yours. Perhaps a better example is the dumpster behind
my palatial office building. We had to install a locking cover to
keep the neighboring apartment dwellers from filling up the dumpster.
Left unprotected, the dumpster seemed to be filling itself.

Incidentally, the opposite happens with candy. Put a bowl of jelly
beans, chocolates, or other candies on my desk, and the candy will
disappear without any evidence of tampering. One visitor to my office
was especially good at gobbling mixed nuts without being noticed.
During one visit, he manage to grab about 1 lb of nuts (about $7).
When I suggested he stop pillaging my nut jar, he suggested that the
nuts were actually evaporating. I like the theory, but still tacked
$7 onto his repair bill to cover my expenses.

I *really* need a "pocket universe" to keep all this Stuff in. And
another to hold the index...

I suspect a black hole might be more useful. Perhaps /dev/null with
an index.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

 

[Lasse Langwadt Christense]

Den tirsdag den 13. januar 2015 kl. 20.14.16 UTC+1 skrev Don Y:

Hi Michael,

On 1/13/2015 2:02 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Sylvia Else wrote:

I can remember opting for a 256 Mb disk, because the more expensive
320Mb offering seemed an unnecessary extravagance.

My first hard drive was a whopping 5 MB.

I had a 10M winnie on a CPM box. Smallest "(hard) disk" was an RS08
(256K words, IIRC, on a 14" platter). Dimmed the lights when you
spun the sucker up! Drive plus controller would easily be larger than
a pair of *large* microwave ovens, today! (and heavier than hell!)

http://youtu.be/CBjoWMA5d84 tear down of a $250,000 harddrive form the 80's

-Lasse

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Don Y wrote:

Hi Michael,

On 1/13/2015 2:02 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Sylvia Else wrote:

I can remember opting for a 256 Mb disk, because the more expensive
320Mb offering seemed an unnecessary extravagance.

My first hard drive was a whopping 5 MB.

I had a 10M winnie on a CPM box. Smallest "(hard) disk" was an RS08
(256K words, IIRC, on a 14" platter). Dimmed the lights when you
spun the sucker up! Drive plus controller would easily be larger than
a pair of *large* microwave ovens, today! (and heavier than hell!)

(But, it was "free" so you "made allowances" :> )

That 5 MB cost me $5


--
Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to
have a DD214, and a honorable discharge.

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

David Eather wrote:

On Tue, 13 Jan 2015 19:02:37 +1000, Michael A. Terrell
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:


Sylvia Else wrote:

I can remember opting for a 256 Mb disk, because the more expensive
320Mb offering seemed an unnecessary extravagance.


My first hard drive was a whopping 5 MB.



I wanted one of those, but even working full time I could never afford it.

It was a used, full height 5.25" drive. Everyone wanted the used
half height, so I got it for $5. It sounded like a vacuum cleaner when
it started, and made the power supply grunt.


--
Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to
have a DD214, and a honorable discharge.

 

[Sylvia Else]

On 13/01/2015 1:19 PM, Spehro Pefhany wrote:

On Mon, 12 Jan 2015 17:14:59 -0700, the renowned Don Y
this@is.not.me.com> wrote:

On 1/12/2015 5:09 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:

I remember when the choice was 2Mb or 4Mb RAM and 80Mb or 120Mb disk

2Mb of RAM? You had it soft. When I was a gal,

--------------------------------------^^^ recent sex change operation??

Ah, leave Sylvia alone. ;-) Redux of all the "when I were a lad" tall
tales.

I was actually going for a Monty Python reference, but anyway...

Pro'ly ought to have included a reference to caning and licking streets.

Sylvia.

 

[Don Y]

On 1/17/2015 9:18 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:

2Mb of RAM? You had it soft. When I was a gal,

--------------------------------------^^^ recent sex change operation??

Ah, leave Sylvia alone. ;-) Redux of all the "when I were a lad" tall
tales.

I was actually going for a Monty Python reference, but anyway...

Pro'ly ought to have included a reference to caning and licking streets.

Present us with a shrubbery and all will be forgiven.

 

[Sylvia Else]

On 19/01/2015 5:46 AM, Don Y wrote:

On 1/17/2015 9:18 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:

2Mb of RAM? You had it soft. When I was a gal,

--------------------------------------^^^ recent sex change
operation??

Ah, leave Sylvia alone. ;-) Redux of all the "when I were a lad" tall
tales.

I was actually going for a Monty Python reference, but anyway...

Pro'ly ought to have included a reference to caning and licking streets.

Present us with a shrubbery and all will be forgiven.

Er, sorry, that reference escapes me.

Sylvia.

 

[jeroen Belleman]

On 18/01/15 23:16, Sylvia Else wrote:

On 19/01/2015 5:46 AM, Don Y wrote:
On 1/17/2015 9:18 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:

2Mb of RAM? You had it soft. When I was a gal,

--------------------------------------^^^ recent sex change
operation??

Ah, leave Sylvia alone. ;-) Redux of all the "when I were a lad" tall
tales.

I was actually going for a Monty Python reference, but anyway...

Pro'ly ought to have included a reference to caning and licking streets.

Present us with a shrubbery and all will be forgiven.


Er, sorry, that reference escapes me.

Sylvia.

Shame on you! Monty Python: The Holy Grail. British irreverent
silliness, but often so much to the point. These days, somebody
would probably try to bomb them to death.

Jeroen Belleman

 

[Spehro Pefhany]

On Mon, 19 Jan 2015 09:16:43 +1100, the renowned Sylvia Else
<sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote:

On 19/01/2015 5:46 AM, Don Y wrote:
On 1/17/2015 9:18 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:

2Mb of RAM? You had it soft. When I was a gal,

--------------------------------------^^^ recent sex change
operation??

Ah, leave Sylvia alone. ;-) Redux of all the "when I were a lad" tall
tales.

I was actually going for a Monty Python reference, but anyway...

Pro'ly ought to have included a reference to caning and licking streets.

Present us with a shrubbery and all will be forgiven.


Er, sorry, that reference escapes me.

Sylvia.

Short clip:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69iB-xy0u4A

Longer clip:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTQfGd3G6dg



Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com

 

[Don Y]

Hi Sylvia,

On 1/18/2015 3:16 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:

I was actually going for a Monty Python reference, but anyway...

Pro'ly ought to have included a reference to caning and licking streets.

Present us with a shrubbery and all will be forgiven.

Er, sorry, that reference escapes me.

Sheesh! Down under, you're far more a "Brit" than *I*! It's
from the "Knights Who Say Ni" skit.

It's also worth remembering the airspeed of an unladen swallow
(European *or* African) on the odd chance you might need to cross
a Bridge of Death, at some time...

 

[Don Y]

On 1/18/2015 3:46 PM, jeroen Belleman wrote:

Present us with a shrubbery and all will be forgiven.

Er, sorry, that reference escapes me.

Shame on you! Monty Python: The Holy Grail. British irreverent silliness, but
often so much to the point.

+1

"Bring out your dead...."

Actually, I preferred ANFSCD -- esp "How Not to be Seen", the "Milkmen",
"Nudge, Nudge, Wink, Wink" and, of course, "Dead Parrot". It seemed like
more "laughs per unit time" than The Grail.