Jihad needs scientists

[Eeyore]

Jamie wrote:

Eeyore wrote:


jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:


Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:


Yes. The history we (US kids) learned in elementary school seems
to have been a lot of myth. What a waste of learning time.

Now stop to think what else might be based on popular myths ?

One of them is that Europe doesn't teach history their kids any
better than the US.


Eh ? I assume English isn't your first language.

Graham

Graham, lost for comment? is that the best you can do ?

I like viewing debates posted by intellectual people, it

makes for better reading. Statements like that tend

to bore me to no end.

Can't you be more created ? My neck is sore from falling asleep

due to all the boring bile you're spewing out, your last statement

only shows more of your true nature.

--------------------------------------------------------
My views and comments, are directed to the very few that have
been posting here lately. I hope the wrong parties don't take offense
to my statement. The one's guilty of this, know who they are.

Born, raised, taught in the USA and proud of it!

NITWIT

 

[John Fields]

On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 08:42:50 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

What concerns me more is dogmatic anti-Belief, wherein people
violently reject possibilities because they are afraid of even
slightly sympathizing with "religious nuts." This probably kills more
potentially good thinking than would a few lines in a high-school
physics text that says that some people think the universe was
designed. In other works, relax.

---
He can't, John, because he can't acknowledge, let alone refute, the
possibility that there's intelligence out there which so far
surpasses our own that we only get the crumbs. So far.

Maybe if we'd learn to stop beating the shit out of each other for a
while it might change.

But maybe not. At our most basic level it's sperm VS sperm for the
egg, although slick might win out instead of bully sometimes...

Hopefully, when slick wins he sends the strategy forward and lets
the bullies decimate themselves.


--
John Fields
Professional Circuit Designer

 

[Jamie]

Eeyore wrote:

jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:


Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:



You're clueless.

Graham

Did we catch you talking to your self in the mirror again?

--
"I am never wrong, once i thought i was, but i was mistaken"
Real Programmers Do things like this.
http://webpages.charter.net/jamie_5

 

[Jamie]

Eeyore wrote:

Jamie wrote:


Eeyore wrote:


jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:



Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:


jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:



Yes. The history we (US kids) learned in elementary school seems
to have been a lot of myth. What a waste of learning time.

Now stop to think what else might be based on popular myths ?

One of them is that Europe doesn't teach history their kids any
better than the US.


Eh ? I assume English isn't your first language.

Graham


Graham, lost for comment? is that the best you can do ?

I like viewing debates posted by intellectual people, it

makes for better reading. Statements like that tend

to bore me to no end.

Can't you be more created ? My neck is sore from falling asleep

due to all the boring bile you're spewing out, your last statement

only shows more of your true nature.

--------------------------------------------------------
My views and comments, are directed to the very few that have
been posting here lately. I hope the wrong parties don't take offense
to my statement. The one's guilty of this, know who they are.

Born, raised, taught in the USA and proud of it!


NITWIT

Typical answer. why would i expect any other?

But, i must say, your improving! your becoming more

American like, than you want to admit!




--
"I am never wrong, once i thought i was, but i was mistaken"
Real Programmers Do things like this.
http://webpages.charter.net/jamie_5

 

[Jamie]

Eeyore wrote:

jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:


I know I do not write clear enough for all values of IQs.


Mine's 152.

What's yours ?

Graham

"An eye brow turns up, as this statement is being herd."


--
"I am never wrong, once i thought i was, but i was mistaken"
Real Programmers Do things like this.
http://webpages.charter.net/jamie_5

 

[Jamie]

Eeyore wrote:

jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:


Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:


Yes. The history we (US kids) learned in elementary school seems
to have been a lot of myth. What a waste of learning time.

Now stop to think what else might be based on popular myths ?

One of them is that Europe doesn't teach history their kids any
better than the US.


Eh ? I assume English isn't your first language.

Graham

Graham, lost for comment? is that the best you can do ?

I like viewing debates posted by intellectual people, it

makes for better reading. Statements like that tend

to bore me to no end.

Can't you be more created ? My neck is sore from falling asleep

due to all the boring bile you're spewing out, your last statement

only shows more of your true nature.

--------------------------------------------------------
My views and comments, are directed to the very few that have
been posting here lately. I hope the wrong parties don't take offense
to my statement. The one's guilty of this, know who they are.

Born, raised, taught in the USA and proud of it!

--
"I am never wrong, once i thought i was, but i was mistaken"
Real Programmers Do things like this.
http://webpages.charter.net/jamie_5

 

[John Fields]

My particular interest is understanding where ideas come from, and why
some of them get squashed. When Townes was trying to get his first
maser to work, his department head was convinced it was a waste of
time. Townes broke the idea to a Nobel laureat who promptly told him
that the maser couldn't work because it violated the rules of
thermodynamics. He later reconsidered.

---
I haven't run into that mindset myself, much, except here, but maybe
it's because my heroes don't need to aggrandize their positions by
quashing ideas.

Case in point, it struck me that the putative "Big Bang" could just
as easily have been a 'big bubble', where the bubble cavitated out
of a big block of, for want of a better description, Swiss cheese.

Outgassing from the "infinite" cheese into our bubble at the moment
of cavitation and maybe a little bit after that would have put all
of the matter into our universe which was there at the beginning
into the space of the bubble.

And maybe a little bit extra until the wall of the bubble got more
or less stable and started drawing the matter which had been exuded
into the space of the bubble back into the cheese.

So far, we've found that we have a two-tiered gravitational system.

We're currently being blue-shifted into our Great Attractor, while
the Great Attractor is being red shifted into the wall.

Comments?


--
John Fields
Professional Circuit Designer

 

[Jamie]

unsettled wrote:

jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:

In article <1161181426.078024.31230@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
"MooseFET" <kensmith@rahul.net> wrote:

jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:

In article <1161093895.152327.297830@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"MooseFET" <kensmith@rahul.net> wrote:

unsettled wrote:

jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:



I can state my hidden agenda; preserve the world's accumulated
knowledge. Religious extremists have the goal of destroying
most of that knowledge. Islamic extremists have the goal of
destroying it all because it's a product of Western civilization.


Religious extremism is always the result of one of the following:

A) Insanity

B) Desire for power, control, and wealth


You left "sex" off the list, unless you include that in one of the
three you listed.


You haven't been paying attention. That is the reward for
murdering thousandS and millions of people.


Actually, I have been paying attention. The toughest job in heaven
these days is virgin wrangler.



Other than react gleefully, which is the normal male reaction,
take a couple of minutes and think about the logistics of
such a place. Assume that those virgins do not get replaced.
Now heaven is enternal look but don't touch. I would assume
that this would actully be hell for males. I wish people
would think a little bit more.


Untrue. My dad taught me that the only thing more difficult
than getting a virgin's pants off is to get her to put them
back on once they've been off. His lesson has been the core
of many a group discussion, and the general concensus has
been one of gleeful agreement.

I can agree to that! )



--
"I am never wrong, once i thought i was, but i was mistaken"
Real Programmers Do things like this.
http://webpages.charter.net/jamie_5

 

[Daniel Mandic]

Eeyore wrote:

Yes we had classrooms on 3 floors.

Graham

We too. With nearly 3 classrooms on every side from the Stairs. I think
Ground was a bit reduced to 3 or 4 classrooms...



Best Regards,

Daniel Mandic

 

[Daniel Mandic]

T Wake wrote:

If science teachers are teaching the Bible, they need to be fired. If
Religious Education teachers were teaching science, they should be
fired.

Why this?

I remember good the Religion Teacher in my eighth year of school. (4th
class secondary modern school)

He was/is a walking dictionary when going to Astronomic Science. He
showed me at that time, in private time, astronomic calculations on
Pocket SHARP Computer.
And other theories he told me, are getting more and more processed, and
extend my own visions....

If the fundamentalists are so poorly educated that they can not
understand the terminology used in science (i.e. what laws and
theories are apart from anything else) then they really do have NO
place in trying to determine what is taught.

I don't think they would place a science over their Religion.



Kind Regards,

Daniel Mandic

 

[T Wake]

"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 22:10:34 +0100, "T Wake"
usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote:


"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in
message
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On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 16:08:55 +0100, "T Wake"
usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote:


If science teachers are teaching the Bible, they need to be fired. If
Religious Education teachers were teaching science, they should be
fired.

Right, keep all things in their rigid compartments where God intended
they stay.

Interesting argument. You create the fallacy that supporting the
separation
of subjects into discrete categories for the education of children is
actually supporting the doctrine of Christianity. Nicely done.

I assume then, that you feel Biology teachers should spend their time
teaching their student Spanish,

If the teacher has a couple of Spanish-background kids in class, it
would be appropriate to mention the Spanish names for things, or
comment on critters that live in the kids' home countries.

Nothing wrong with this, with the exception of a Biology teacher who starts
to teach the kids the wrong Spanish grammar - which is more appropriate to
the examples. Teaching ID as science is bad science.

But it still falls foul of todays society. If the teacher is wasting time
teaching a subject they shouldnt be it is wrong. Why should they be paid to
teach (for example) biology if all that happens is the children come away
knowing Spanish?

My example was not about bringing out interesting anecdotes or using
teaching techniques.

while the Gym teacher covers Mathematics.

Certainly the mention of mechanical advantage, momentum, friction,
things like that could be very useful in sports. Why select a light or
heavy bat? How does a curve ball work? What's the best way to throw a
football? That could create a lot more interest in physics than
sitting in a classroom grinding out equations.

Very true and real world examples are great. I said mathematics not physics
though as I suspected that would happen. All subjects need cross domain
applications, this is as close to a "fact of life" as anything else I can
think of.

The reality though, and especially at pre-university level, is people need
the basic groundings in a subject before they are opened up into cross
domain work.

There is a difference between showing how a subject can be applied in
different ways and teaching a different subject.

The examples I used were Science teachers _teaching_ religion and religious
education teachers _teaching_ science. Not anecdotes.

While we are at it, why have job titles at all. Why don't we all just be
"do
what you wanters."

Why don't we all know and think about a little more than our
specialty? Must an English teacher be deliberately ignorant of
science? Must an engineering professor be uninterested in History?

I am not asking for a lack of interest or ignorance. I dont know why you
read that into my posts.

Hmm. Sounds familiar.


Depressingly so. Crossing disciplines can result in great revelations,
but a lot of people refuse to do it. No problem, I'll do it for you.

In my experience people who refuse to cross disciplines tend to either know
very little about their discipline and are frightened to look outside it or
know too much about it and are frightened to look outside it.

When it comes to teaching a subject, teach the subject. When it comes to
encouraging post graduate students, encourage. When it comes to finding a
real world application, find a real world application.

Children only spend a finite time in education systems. Broad education can
come afterwards when the grounding is known.

Or do away with subjects all together and teach jack of all trades. Then
those who specialise will do well, unlike today when (generally of course)
those who can cross disciplines do well.

 

[T Wake]

"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
news:fu7lj2t874oat4omh23ub487ft86nmnf4t@4ax.com...

My particular interest is understanding where ideas come from, and why
some of them get squashed. When Townes was trying to get his first
maser to work, his department head was convinced it was a waste of
time. Townes broke the idea to a Nobel laureat who promptly told him
that the maser couldn't work because it violated the rules of
thermodynamics. He later reconsidered.

---
I haven't run into that mindset myself, much, except here, but maybe
it's because my heroes don't need to aggrandize their positions by
quashing ideas.

Case in point, it struck me that the putative "Big Bang" could just
as easily have been a 'big bubble', where the bubble cavitated out
of a big block of, for want of a better description, Swiss cheese.

Outgassing from the "infinite" cheese into our bubble at the moment
of cavitation and maybe a little bit after that would have put all
of the matter into our universe which was there at the beginning
into the space of the bubble.

And maybe a little bit extra until the wall of the bubble got more
or less stable and started drawing the matter which had been exuded
into the space of the bubble back into the cheese.

So far, we've found that we have a two-tiered gravitational system.

We're currently being blue-shifted into our Great Attractor, while
the Great Attractor is being red shifted into the wall.

Comments?

When you say "we" do you mean Earth, the solar system, the milky way or the
universe? Which direction is the Great Attractor in?

 

[Daniel Mandic]

T Wake wrote:

I haven't see JoeBloe post for a while so it could be him - I don't
know about Terrell as his posts got to the stage of such pointless
drivel I had to kill file him.

Terrell is mad.



Best regards,

Daniel Mandic

 

[Daniel Mandic]

Jonathan Kirwan wrote:

It is mostly a matter of finding some glib phrase that speaks to
pre-existing prejudice that wins hearts.

Sadly.

Jon

Sorry to say this, but you are using a SS type writing-style.



Best Regards,

Daniel Mandic

 

[Daniel Mandic]

<lucasea@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

"unsettled" <unsettled@nonsense.com> wrote in message
news:9dd44$453a4b74$49ecfae$4540@DIALUPUSA.NET...

Yet you allow, and encourage, capitalist extremism to prosper.

C'mon, BAH, first you say that Europe is socialist, then you say that
it's "capitalist extremist". Make up your mind!

Eric LUcas

Hi Eric!


Europe is between long-living Cigarette Smoker (there, where they speak
the language which relates to the word 'Europa') and the 'aslant Tower
of Pisa'



Best Regards,

Daniel Mandic

 

[Daniel Mandic]

unsettled wrote:

T Wake dsitorts as only a Muslim can:

?


distorts?



Best Regards,

Daniel Mandic

 

[Daniel Mandic]

unsettled wrote:

You're good at taking IQ tests. Doesn't actually
mean you're "smart."

It does.


Also you can count in: Endurance, Skill and Patience. (E.g. longer test
than the IQ Test )


Mine is ~120



Best Regards,

Daniel Mandic

 

[MooseFET]

lucasea@sbcglobal.net wrote:
[...]

Yep, and that would explaing the upswing in fear-mongering and showings of
the 9/11 video footage. The Republicans haven't a leg to stand on with the
real issues, so they choose to use fear-mongering instead.

It may not work this time. I am seeing some signs that the voting
public is "getting up on its hind legs" and saying "NO!".

The law removing the right of habius corpus that passed last week may
be the low point.

 

[John Larkin]

On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 01:02:34 +0100, "T Wake"
<usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote:

"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in message
news:mp3lj29e2fch9vi7q41flhjd983pcrh6de@4ax.com...
On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 22:10:34 +0100, "T Wake"
usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote:


"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in
message
news:69lkj218m8l6errb5fr0lnsb658moc7s8o@4ax.com...
On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 16:08:55 +0100, "T Wake"
usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote:


If science teachers are teaching the Bible, they need to be fired. If
Religious Education teachers were teaching science, they should be
fired.

Right, keep all things in their rigid compartments where God intended
they stay.

Interesting argument. You create the fallacy that supporting the
separation
of subjects into discrete categories for the education of children is
actually supporting the doctrine of Christianity. Nicely done.

I assume then, that you feel Biology teachers should spend their time
teaching their student Spanish,

If the teacher has a couple of Spanish-background kids in class, it
would be appropriate to mention the Spanish names for things, or
comment on critters that live in the kids' home countries.

Nothing wrong with this, with the exception of a Biology teacher who starts
to teach the kids the wrong Spanish grammar - which is more appropriate to
the examples. Teaching ID as science is bad science.

ID isn't bad science or good science. It's faith. Perhaps you don't
understand faith.

But it still falls foul of todays society. If the teacher is wasting time
teaching a subject they shouldnt be it is wrong. Why should they be paid to
teach (for example) biology if all that happens is the children come away
knowing Spanish?

My example was not about bringing out interesting anecdotes or using
teaching techniques.

Obvious.

while the Gym teacher covers Mathematics.

Certainly the mention of mechanical advantage, momentum, friction,
things like that could be very useful in sports. Why select a light or
heavy bat? How does a curve ball work? What's the best way to throw a
football? That could create a lot more interest in physics than
sitting in a classroom grinding out equations.

Very true and real world examples are great. I said mathematics not physics
though as I suspected that would happen. All subjects need cross domain
applications, this is as close to a "fact of life" as anything else I can
think of.

The reality though, and especially at pre-university level, is people need
the basic groundings in a subject before they are opened up into cross
domain work.

Not obvious.

There is a difference between showing how a subject can be applied in
different ways and teaching a different subject.

The examples I used were Science teachers _teaching_ religion and religious
education teachers _teaching_ science. Not anecdotes.

While we are at it, why have job titles at all. Why don't we all just be
"do
what you wanters."

Why don't we all know and think about a little more than our
specialty? Must an English teacher be deliberately ignorant of
science? Must an engineering professor be uninterested in History?

I am not asking for a lack of interest or ignorance. I dont know why you
read that into my posts.


Hmm. Sounds familiar.


Depressingly so. Crossing disciplines can result in great revelations,
but a lot of people refuse to do it. No problem, I'll do it for you.

In my experience people who refuse to cross disciplines tend to either know
very little about their discipline and are frightened to look outside it or
know too much about it and are frightened to look outside it.

When it comes to teaching a subject, teach the subject. When it comes to
encouraging post graduate students, encourage. When it comes to finding a
real world application, find a real world application.

Children only spend a finite time in education systems. Broad education can
come afterwards when the grounding is known.

Or do away with subjects all together and teach jack of all trades. Then
those who specialise will do well, unlike today when (generally of course)
those who can cross disciplines do well.

I'm not as dismissive about the imagination of kids, or people without
advanced degrees.

John

 

[MooseFET]

T Wake wrote:

"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
news:fu7lj2t874oat4omh23ub487ft86nmnf4t@4ax.com...
[....]
So far, we've found that we have a two-tiered gravitational system.

We're currently being blue-shifted into our Great Attractor, while
the Great Attractor is being red shifted into the wall.

Comments?

When you say "we" do you mean Earth, the solar system, the milky way or the
universe? Which direction is the Great Attractor in?

Things are sort of like this:

Milky Way + Andromeda galaxy = Local Group

Local Group + (M84 +M86) + some others = Virgo Cluster

Each of these is contracting and all of that is going in the
Hydra-Centaurus direction.