Jihad needs scientists

jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:

Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

The precursors may not quite so simple to make as you imagine.

Goodfucking GRIEF! I didn't say it was simple.
You implied that any country could make these complex precursors.


No chemistry is simple. Have you ever taken a chemistry course?
Yes. I have an 'A level' in Chemistry - that's after the 'O level' of course. I
can even recite the periodic table from memory.

You ?

Graham
 
jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:

Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:
John Larkin <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
On Tue, 17 Oct 06 11:50:44 GMT, jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:

Pushing in certain areas is not the best way to prevent future
messes. I've found that the only way for people to learn how
not make new messes is to have them clean up the ones they
already made.


Excellent. Care to assign cleanup duties in the Middle East and
Africa?

France would get a primary assignment with extreme adult
supervision.

Why France ?

Their SOP seems to be to make a mess then leave it for the
somebody, usually the US, to clear up.
Example please ?

Graham
 
jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:
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"T Wake" <usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote:

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In article <uqkaj29qqainbc7l4mc8i51e40dbj8cf56@4ax.com>,
John Larkin <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 21:57:10 +0100, Eeyore
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:



John Larkin wrote:


On Tue, 17 Oct 06 11:50:44 GMT, jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:


Pushing in certain areas is not the best way to prevent future
messes. I've found that the only way for people to learn how
not make new messes is to have them clean up the ones they
already made.


Excellent. Care to assign cleanup duties in the Middle East and
Africa?

Which bits of Africa did you have in mind ?


Well, let's see. We could start with the Belgian Congo, and maybe
Rhodesia, perhaps Cote D'Ivorie and German East Africa.

I think Liberia is key but I'm not sure. It would be productive
if the countries in Africa were left alone.
0
To kill each other? Strikes me as a reasonable idea. Let them all kill each
other, then when the dust settles we can kill the one or two survivors and
take all the diamonds.


A lot of recent killing is the hangover of the Cold War.
Not true, IMO. African hatreds are much like American
ones, passed from one generation to the next without
understanding, as in "Damn Yankees burned the south!"

Tribal hatreds go back many generations and thrive
partly because of their verbal traditions.

The UN
has not helped since it seems to be admirable to keep the
former third world in its place by making them welfare countries
and punishing those who refuse such handouts.
Please consider the fact that the third world had
exactly the same opportunities as the first world
over a period of several millenia. They aren't
welfare countries because of us and the UN, they
remain welfare countries despite us and the UN.
This all comes back to mindsets and cultural values.

You'll find that within those countries are some
extremely wealthy families. The local population
has a sense that those rich folks are crooked
and taking advantage of the poor. The simple
fact is that in every population of national
size you'll have a few individuals who are
truly entrepreneurs. Sometimes the government
and/or the people manage to pull them down and
redistribute their wealth.

For examples of all of the above, visit Appalachia.

For a minature slightly more entertaining version,
watch the movie _Zorba the Greek_.
 
jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:

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"MooseFET" <kensmith@rahul.net> wrote:

jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:

In article <1161093895.152327.297830@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"MooseFET" <kensmith@rahul.net> wrote:

unsettled wrote:

jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:



I can state my hidden agenda; preserve the world's accumulated
knowledge. Religious extremists have the goal of destroying
most of that knowledge. Islamic extremists have the goal of
destroying it all because it's a product of Western civilization.

Religious extremism is always the result of one of the following:

A) Insanity

B) Desire for power, control, and wealth

You left "sex" off the list, unless you include that in one of the
three you listed.

You haven't been paying attention. That is the reward for
murdering thousandS and millions of people.

Actually, I have been paying attention. The toughest job in heaven
these days is virgin wrangler.


Other than react gleefully, which is the normal male reaction,
take a couple of minutes and think about the logistics of
such a place. Assume that those virgins do not get replaced.
Now heaven is enternal look but don't touch. I would assume
that this would actully be hell for males. I wish people
would think a little bit more.
Untrue. My dad taught me that the only thing more difficult
than getting a virgin's pants off is to get her to put them
back on once they've been off. His lesson has been the core
of many a group discussion, and the general concensus has
been one of gleeful agreement.
 
jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:

Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:

I don't understand your question. In both religions, the
extremist leaders cannot have their followers think for
themselves;

Both ? Which both is this ?

Islam and Christianity. I thought that was what this drift
of the thread was talking about.
So you admit Christianity has extremist leaders too ?


all critical thinking skills are dangerous
to their grasp of power. The Muslims who fear this loss
see Western civlization as the culprit (EMF media cannot
be blocked out).

LOL. Muslims are quite capable of using electronic media themselves.

That's the irony of their preaching to get back to the old ways.
The Unibomber suffered the same thinking schism.
Uh ????

You mean the Unabomber ? This had nothing to do with religion AFAIK.


Notice what has happened in Somalia
recently.

Can you be more specific ?

The regular people were not allowed to watch a soccer match
Who are these 'regular ppl' who weren't allowed to watch soccer ?


(TV shows human images which is not allowed in Islam). Now
the regular people are starting to say no to these extremists.
Uh ???? You're babbling !


The residents in that area are now sorting
out which culture will exist.

That is indeed for those who live there.

The US' religious right has similar fears. Note their
tactics. They chose a political tactic and targeted
schools. It's blowing up in their faces in most areas
(they're either getting fired or voted out). I don't
know what these types in Europe are doing. I only get
hints from Pope news.

Religion doesn't have that much power in most of Europe. There is no
parallel.

Europe is more susceptible than any other place in the Western
world (that I can think of). You certainly have forgotten
all of your history.
You're clueless.

Graham
 
jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:

Assume that those virgins do not get replaced.
Now heaven is enternal look but don't touch. I would assume
that this would actully be hell for males.
Are you seriously mentally ill ?

Graham
 
jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:

You aren't thinking. This portrays to all women that women
don't matter. Their only role is sex slave. This is not
tradition in all of Islam's history but it is Hollywood's
portrayal. They never show the male being harried, harrassed
and all pumped out.
Bwahahahahahahahahahah !
 
jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:

Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
T Wake wrote:
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the implication of this
is that the goal of teaching evolution is to substitute
the religion known as evolution for the religion of God.

Only in the mind of fundamentalists.

Maybe they're afraid ppl will see that science disproves God ? That's what
happened to me actually in a rather amusing way.

Then you were not taught the Scientific Method...or rather,
you did not learn the Scientific Method.
I learnt that ppl weigh more than air.

My 'Bible Teacher' tried to teach that the ascension was real. I pointed out
that humans can't rise up to heaven because they weigh too much. She said they
could so I knew thereafter that Christian teaching was based on lies ( aged ~
9 ) .

Graham
 
jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:

Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:
lparker@emory.edu (Lloyd Parker) wrote:

They gave their 95% confidence interval.

The news said that the questions that were asked was if
anybody knew anybody who died. Adding these up will not
give a correct count.

The 'news' was wrong then.

In most cases ( ~90 % ) a death certificate was shown.

And the death certificates said that all the deaths were
due to US killing them?
Not at all.

The survey was to determine death rates from all causes pre and post
war. Quite simple really.

Pre-war of course there weren't any deaths from either US killings or
any insurgents.

Graham
 
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unsettled <unsettled@nonsense.com> wrote:
jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:


I can state my hidden agenda; preserve the world's accumulated
knowledge. Religious extremists have the goal of destroying
most of that knowledge. Islamic extremists have the goal of
destroying it all because it's a product of Western civilization.

Religious extremism is always the result of one of the following:

A) Insanity

B) Desire for power, control, and wealth


None of the above. Fear. Pure, simple terror.

OK, if you must, then "fear of losing power, control and wealth".
Witness
the fear-mongering among the Religious Right in the current election
campaign.

I am. More alarming is the message of the Democrats who keep implying
that there isn't any problem.

Citation, please. In your zeal to support the current administration,
you're not listening carefully.

Listen to any of them.


Any and all conversations? Are they really that repetative?

Yes, the public speeches of the Democrats campaigning are
that repetitive. You should pay especial attention to everything
they don't talk about.
They don't talk about what measures they will take to prevent alien
attacks - from what I have heard anyway. I don't generally follow American
political debates.

<snip snide commentary>
 
jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:

What is really frustrating about these people is that
they don't have to know any history.
I reckon in any competition, my knowledge of history would knock yours
into the proverbial cocked hat.

Graham
 
jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:

Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:

Yes. The history we (US kids) learned in elementary school seems
to have been a lot of myth. What a waste of learning time.

Now stop to think what else might be based on popular myths ?

One of them is that Europe doesn't teach history their kids any
better than the US.
Eh ? I assume English isn't your first language.

Graham
 
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jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:

Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:

As for Europe, I'm not hearing much discussions about this
either. What I do hear is capitulations so that they
get their oil deliveries.

Utter drivel.

If your posts are an example of conclusions made from the news
you get, I'm even more worried about Eurpoe ceding completely
with one little oil tap turned off.

Ceding to whom ? The Phantom Evil Empire ?
Yes, that would seem to be about the level of analysis these people apply.
"Ooooh, big scary Evil Empire!"

Eric Lucas
 
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jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:

Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:
unsettled <unsettled@nonsense.com> wrote:

Religious extremism is always the result of one of the following:

A) Insanity

B) Desire for power, control, and wealth


None of the above. Fear. Pure, simple terror.

You think religious extremism is the result of fear ?

Yes. Fear of losing control.

Whose control ?

I don't understand your question. In both religions, the
extremist leaders cannot have their followers think for
themselves;

Both ? Which both is this ?

Islam and Christianity. I thought that was what this drift
of the thread was talking about.



all critical thinking skills are dangerous
to their grasp of power. The Muslims who fear this loss
see Western civlization as the culprit (EMF media cannot
be blocked out).

LOL. Muslims are quite capable of using electronic media themselves.

That's the irony of their preaching to get back to the old ways.
The Unibomber suffered the same thinking schism.
I agree (for once). Islamic extremists (as do Christian and Jewish ones etc)
often only ban things which are enjoyable. When it comes to warfare on the
latest, most sinful, items will do.

Notice what has happened in Somalia
recently.

Can you be more specific ?

The regular people were not allowed to watch a soccer match
(TV shows human images which is not allowed in Islam). Now
the regular people are starting to say no to these extremists.
Which is why there is very little to fear from extremism.

In Turky, with 98% of the population being Moslem, they watch TV.

The residents in that area are now sorting
out which culture will exist.

That is indeed for those who live there.


The US' religious right has similar fears. Note their
tactics. They chose a political tactic and targeted
schools. It's blowing up in their faces in most areas
(they're either getting fired or voted out). I don't
know what these types in Europe are doing. I only get
hints from Pope news.

Religion doesn't have that much power in most of Europe. There is no
parallel.

Europe is more susceptible than any other place in the Western
world (that I can think of).
Not true. Your nation is founded by religious zealots who left Europe to get
religious freedom for their idiosyncrasies.

Yes, 500 years ago, Europe was the centre of Christian extremism. This is no
longer the case. The papal state is not exactly a large nation, is it?

You certainly have forgotten
all of your history.
Again, not true. Culture has flourished in Europe since at least 3000BC.
Europe has only been a Christianised region since around AD1000. Up until
around AD1700, Europe was dominated (in a loose sense of the word) by
Christianity but since then it has been on the wane.

Are you implying that those 700 years of Christian ascendancy outweigh the
other 4300 years?

Your nation is led by a President who is overtly seek guidance from God.
That would frighten me. The UK PM is a devout Catholic. That offends me, but
at least we are not a super power and there are (currently) significant
checks and balances to prevent a religious upsurge.
 
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On 18 Oct 2006 07:23:46 -0700, the renowned "MooseFET"
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jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:
In article <1161093895.152327.297830@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"MooseFET" <kensmith@rahul.net> wrote:

unsettled wrote:
jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:


I can state my hidden agenda; preserve the world's accumulated
knowledge. Religious extremists have the goal of destroying
most of that knowledge. Islamic extremists have the goal of
destroying it all because it's a product of Western civilization.

Religious extremism is always the result of one of the following:

A) Insanity

B) Desire for power, control, and wealth

You left "sex" off the list, unless you include that in one of the
three you listed.

You haven't been paying attention. That is the reward for
murdering thousandS and millions of people.

Actually, I have been paying attention. The toughest job in heaven
these days is virgin wrangler.

/BAH

What's the reward for virgins? 1/72 of some hirsute dude? Hmmm...
could have used that line in HS..

You aren't thinking. This portrays to all women that women
don't matter. Their only role is sex slave.
This is not the image Islam portrays to its women.
 
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STate a problem. You keep contending that Iraq is one. It is
not.

Yeah, I guess 2500 dead American kids, and over half a million dead
Iraqis is just par for the course.

It is obvious to me uyou have no historical perspective so you
wish to keep reinventing the wheel.

The numbers you cite are small. Look at the US civil war,
WWI, and WWII. Half a million and 2500 may seem like
large numbers to you, but the reality is that they're not.
It makes no sense to argue for "the way things ought to
be" when we're all faced instead with the way things
actually are.


Now who refuses to have historical perspective. If we
don't learn from this crap, the country will just
elect another Bush without thinking.
We did learn. Twice in the 20th century.

http://tinyurl.com/ydw8ll

I keep posting this URL. Why is it so ignored? Are you
afraid to check the historical significance of appeasement
and actually read about it? Why do Jews keep saying,
"Never Again"?

Fortunately, more than 60 % of Americans are smarter
than you, and the number is growing all the time.
How do Americans keep getting smarter, by agreeing
with you? LOL They're not actually getting smarter,
it is your simply metric which is showing. Discuss
relativity with some of the folks in sci.physics.

That gives me hope.
Like at the end of every world series, half the fans yell
"Wait till next year." Hope and a buck will get you a cup
of coffee.

I'm glad the ratio is as it is, I'd hate to have the
reverse.

So you have no problem killing half a million innocent civilians, for
absolutely no good reason? Even Saddam Hussein's record isn't *that* bad.
This discussion had nothing to do with Saddam till now. Moving
the goalposts in mid discussion won't achieve anything.

That, and our country being in debt for almost
9 *trillion* dollars--of which your share is about $29,000--and growing
by half a trillion dollars per year. Our debt is now 3/4 of our GDP.
Nice mess to leave for someone else to clean up.

Is there some particular price you think liberty and our
lifestyle is worth?

Yes, there is a limit. Leaving the economy in shambles for
our children's children's children to clean up is too high
a price.
Really, you'd prefer "better Muslim than dead" and "better
Muslim than free but poor." Guess what, statistically speaking,
Muslim means poor so you lose either way you look at it. So
isn't "free but poor" the better option?

Oh, and by the way, you can lose the Chicken Little routine.
Classic appeaser's argument:

http://tinyurl.com/ydw8ll

The sky isn't falling,
That's merely your incompetent appraisal.

the Republicans are just using that fear-mongering to
get re-elected, and you've fallen for it, hook, line
and sinker.
Wrong again, Bucko! In my worldview the Republicans in
power today are a bunch of mealy mouthed pansies who
haven't thrown their all into the fray as they should
have.

If you want to hang a label on me, try this one:

Radical Fundamentalist American

Why not join me! Leave all the political parties in
the dust.

Thankfully, Americans appear to be losing that pall
from their eyes.
There are different points at which individuals wake up.

I urge you to move to the middle east and take up
their lifestyle for a few years,

I have friends who have come from that lifestyle, and
their description of it makes a bald-faced liar of you
and anyone who thinks they "know" what any of the
Middle Eastern societies is like.
Hahahahahaha! You take hearsay from a few friends who
have their own agendas and set yourself up as arbitor
of the truth! There can't be any ego left over for other
members of your family then.

If you haven't personally had the experience, you simply
don't know. Perhaps someone will jump in here and explain
to you the term and the concept of "fairwitness."

Also, absence makes the heart grow fonder. Any immigrant
here in the US has a longing for "home" and remembers
things through the filters of that longing.

The Ottoman Empire directly caused Bush to decide
almost unilaterally to invade Iraq? Gee, that's
funny, even the Republican party hasn't trotted
that out as one of their "excuses".

This sort of disingenuous response is designed to derail the
discussion when you've lost the major point.

No, in fact it is directly on point. Bush refuses to take responsibility
for such a monumental blunder, and has trotted out a long series of excuses
aimed at using fear, jingoism and a series of other unproductive emotions to
create moral confusion in the US public over the whole pile of crap in Iraq.
Despite what simple minded people prefer to believe, the
Iraqi action isn't just about Iraq. It is mostly based
on other factors. Iraq happened to be convenient in a
number of ways.

Every single one of those excuses has been refuted at the
highest levels, some by members of Bush's own government.
As lame as that series of excuses has been, even he isn't
stupid enough to blame it on an empire that existed
that long ago. You and BAH, on the other hand, are.
I actually disagree more with BAH and on more subjective
details than you might think.

You're so far away from understanding the discussion that
there's no hope for you. Read a complete history of the
region clear back to prehistory, study the culture, and
the mindsets involved, and perhaps then we can have a
reasonable discussion. You're very obviously not come
equipped to discuss these matters, similar to bringing
a brass knuckles to a gunfight.

At least the rate of increase of the problem will decrease. Yes, we
will
still have to deal with terrorists, but that will be easier when we
don't go
out of our way to make the problem worse.

No, the rate will increase logrithmically.

You might want to learn a little bit about what you're saying before
typing. I think you mean "exponentially", since growing as the logarithm
of time doesn't really inspire fear. I thought you said you had a
technical background.

This is among the most idiotic of your replies of late.

Why?
Because 1) there is no scientific measure available and
2) her intention was to indicate something growing at
a rate much greater than linear, and 3) because the term
you used, exponentially, is merely a socio-political
hot button that isn't understood by the public anyway
(let along a LOT of readers in the newsgroups in the
distribution.) Given 3) they might be inclined to look
up "logrithmically" where they won't look up
"exponentially" simply because they've heard it so much.

I presume this is part of the process you believe to be
"independent thinking."

snip...I'm getting pooped replying to the same old things

Yes, it is exhausting resisting thinking, isn't it? There are two
possible solutions. Stop replying and keep your paranoid fantasies to
yourself, or start thinking for yourself.

Seems to me she's done a better job of thinking for herself
than you could ever possibly muster based on your displays
of late.

She (and you) do nothing but parrot the Administration's
talking points.
Perhaps the administration is parroting mine!

If that's what passes for "independent thought", I pity
you both.
Your confusion is obvious. Insofar as I might agree with
the present administration on some points, I disagree with
the present administration on at least just as many others.

Your confusion stems from your ignorance, because merely
agreeing with someone doesn't, in my case anyway, demonstrate
that I didn't come by my ideas independently.

Perhaps you're speaking from your own personal experience
in these regards, and feeling sorry for yourself just a bit?

Fortunately, our country is beginning to see through
the BS for what it really is.
Read the history and weep: http://tinyurl.com/ydw8ll

I can show you facts, but I certainly can't force you
to understand them.
 
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"MooseFET" <kensmith@rahul.net> wrote:

jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:
In article <1161093895.152327.297830@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"MooseFET" <kensmith@rahul.net> wrote:

unsettled wrote:
jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:


I can state my hidden agenda; preserve the world's accumulated
knowledge. Religious extremists have the goal of destroying
most of that knowledge. Islamic extremists have the goal of
destroying it all because it's a product of Western civilization.

Religious extremism is always the result of one of the following:

A) Insanity

B) Desire for power, control, and wealth

You left "sex" off the list, unless you include that in one of the
three you listed.

You haven't been paying attention. That is the reward for
murdering thousandS and millions of people.

Actually, I have been paying attention. The toughest job in heaven
these days is virgin wrangler.

Other than react gleefully, which is the normal male reaction,
take a couple of minutes and think about the logistics of
such a place. Assume that those virgins do not get replaced.
Now heaven is enternal look but don't touch. I would assume
that this would actully be hell for males. I wish people
would think a little bit more.
You are making unfounded assumptions. If you are willing to assume a heaven
can exist, why would you also assume the virgins could not be replaced?
 

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