Jihad needs scientists

[unsettled]

lucasea@sbcglobal.net wrote:

jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote in message
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STate a problem. You keep contending that Iraq is one. It is
not.

Yeah, I guess 2500 dead American kids, and over half a million dead Iraqis
is just par for the course.

It is obvious to me uyou have no historical perspective so you
wish to keep reinventing the wheel.

The numbers you cite are small. Look at the US civil war,
WWI, and WWII. Half a million and 2500 may seem like
large numbers to you, but the reality is that they're not.
It makes no sense to argue for "the way things ought to
be" when we're all faced instead with the way things
actually are.

I'm glad the ratio is as it is, I'd hate to have the
reverse.

That, and our country being in debt for almost
9 *trillion* dollars--of which your share is about $29,000--and growing by
half a trillion dollars per year. Our debt is now 3/4 of our GDP. Nice
mess to leave for someone else to clean up.

Is there some particular price you think liberty and our
lifestyle is worth? It must be less than the numbers you
cite. I urge you to move to the middle east and take up
their lifestyle for a few years, then come back and tell
us what you're willing to pay for our liberty and our
lifestyle. Once you have an actual basis for discussing
such issues, our liberty and our lifestyle will be
priceless to you as it is to anyone with half a mind
or better.

However, there isn't a single
Democrat running for President in 2008 who is willing to deal
with the reality that we have an enemy capable of destroying
Western civilization and everything that smells of this living
style.

Proof, please. Again, this is your arrogance claiming to know what people
are and are not willing to do. The 2008 campaigns haven't even begun yet.

LOL, of course they have.

I agree. The crap that this administration started will continue to be a
problem for a very long time. Thus my expression of regret that Bush and
his administration will never have to actually take responsibility for the
crap that they created.

This crap was started, and recognized as a problem, at the beginning
of the 20th century. Historians call it the end of the Ottoman
Empire.

The Ottoman Empire directly caused Bush to decide almost unilaterally to
invade Iraq? Gee, that's funny, even the Republican party hasn't trotted
that out as one of their "excuses".

This sort of disingenuous response is designed to derail the
discussion when you've lost the major point.

At least the rate of increase of the problem will decrease. Yes, we will
still have to deal with terrorists, but that will be easier when we don't
go
out of our way to make the problem worse.

No, the rate will increase logrithmically.

You might want to learn a little bit about what you're saying before typing.
I think you mean "exponentially", since growing as the logarithm of time
doesn't really inspire fear. I thought you said you had a technical
background.

This is among the most idiotic of your replies of late.

snip...I'm getting pooped replying to the same old things

Yes, it is exhausting resisting thinking, isn't it? There are two possible
solutions. Stop replying and keep your paranoid fantasies to yourself, or
start thinking for yourself.

Seems to me she's done a better job of thinking for herself
than you could ever possibly muster based on your displays
of late.

 

[unsettled]

lucasea@sbcglobal.net wrote:

"unsettled" <unsettled@nonsense.com> wrote in message
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T Wake wrote:

If the West changed to Islamic based societies life would continue
largely as normal.

Normal in Islamic based societies is brothers killing
brothers in religious fanaticism, thank you very much!

Proof, please.

Pay attention to what's happeing in the world right
now and read some non-western history.

Either all of history, or your rendition of an ideal
world, is a lie. I've my thoughts on the matter and
have no further need of yours.

Oh, goody, another "kill 'em all, because they all
wanna kill you" enters the fray.

The nice thing is that you're entitled to be as demented
as you wish to be.

 

"unsettled" <unsettled@nonsense.com> wrote in message
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lucasea@sbcglobal.net wrote:

jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote in message
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Here's a hint to you, hon. I've scratched off the ones that you
have used to build a wall around you.

No walls here.

Eric Lucas

You're pretty good at meaningless denials then?

Meaningless statements require nothing more than meaningless denials.

Eric Lucas

 

"unsettled" <unsettled@nonsense.com> wrote in message
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sock puppet T Wake complains:

"unsettled" <unsettled@nonsense.com> wrote in message
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T Wake wrote:



If the West changed to Islamic based societies life would continue
largely as normal.

Normal in Islamic based societies is brothers killing
brothers in religious fanaticism, thank you very much!


Nonsense.


Either all of history, or your rendition of an ideal
world, is a lie.


Nonsense.


I've my thoughts on the matter and
have no further need of yours.


Ok. Why post on USENET then?


Good God, you'd have us believe usenet is all about
you and no one else matters!

No, the point is, if you're not willing to listen and learn, why do you
suppose others might be willing to listen and learn from you? In other
words, why bother spewing your garbage one Usenet.

Your "nonsense" dismissals are

a direct result of your "nonsense" statements".

You're clearly a sock puppet adhering to
someone else's agenda.

That's funny, from someone who parrots the Republicans' agenda verbatim.

Whatever floats your boat.

Yep.

Eric Lucas

 

[unsettled]

Pathetic lucasea@sbcglobal.net spews:

"unsettled" <unsettled@nonsense.com> wrote in message
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I've my thoughts on the matter and
have no further need of yours.

Ok. Why post on USENET then?

Good God, you'd have us believe usenet is all about
you and no one else matters!

No, the point is, if you're not willing to listen and learn, why do you
suppose others might be willing to listen and learn from you?

Bwahahahahahaha!

The apprentice tries to teach the master his trade.

You're clearly a sock puppet adhering to
someone else's agenda.

That's funny, from someone who parrots the Republicans' agenda verbatim.

OK jackass, provide a valid cite or acknowledge you're a liar.

 

"unsettled" <unsettled@nonsense.com> wrote in message
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lucasea@sbcglobal.net wrote:

jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote in message
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STate a problem. You keep contending that Iraq is one. It is
not.

Yeah, I guess 2500 dead American kids, and over half a million dead
Iraqis is just par for the course.

It is obvious to me uyou have no historical perspective so you
wish to keep reinventing the wheel.

The numbers you cite are small. Look at the US civil war,
WWI, and WWII. Half a million and 2500 may seem like
large numbers to you, but the reality is that they're not.
It makes no sense to argue for "the way things ought to
be" when we're all faced instead with the way things
actually are.

Now who refuses to have historical perspective. If we don't learn from this
crap, the country will just elect another Bush without thinking.
Fortunately, more than 60 % of Americans are smarter than you, and the
number is growing all the time. That gives me hope.

I'm glad the ratio is as it is, I'd hate to have the
reverse.

So you have no problem killing half a million innocent civilians, for
absolutely no good reason? Even Saddam Hussein's record isn't *that* bad.

That, and our country being in debt for almost
9 *trillion* dollars--of which your share is about $29,000--and growing
by half a trillion dollars per year. Our debt is now 3/4 of our GDP.
Nice mess to leave for someone else to clean up.

Is there some particular price you think liberty and our
lifestyle is worth?

Yes, there is a limit. Leaving the economy in shambles for our children's
children's children to clean up is too high a price. Oh, and by the way,
you can lose the Chicken Little routine. The sky isn't falling, the
Republicans are just using that fear-mongering to get re-elected, and you've
fallen for it, hook, line and sinker. Thankfully, Americans appear to be
losing that pall from their eyes.


? It must be less than the numbers you

cite. I urge you to move to the middle east and take up
their lifestyle for a few years,

I have friends who have come from that lifestyle, and their description of
it makes a bald-faced liar of you and anyone who thinks they "know" what any
of the Middle Eastern societies is like.

Proof, please. Again, this is your arrogance claiming to know what
people are and are not willing to do. The 2008 campaigns haven't even
begun yet.

LOL, of course they have.

So prove that nobody is willing to deal with the terrorist threat.

The Ottoman Empire directly caused Bush to decide almost unilaterally to
invade Iraq? Gee, that's funny, even the Republican party hasn't trotted
that out as one of their "excuses".

This sort of disingenuous response is designed to derail the
discussion when you've lost the major point.

No, in fact it is directly on point. Bush refuses to take responsibility
for such a monumental blunder, and has trotted out a long series of excuses
aimed at using fear, jingoism and a series of other unproductive emotions to
create moral confusion in the US public over the whole pile of crap in Iraq.
Every single one of those excuses has been refuted at the highest levels,
some by members of Bush's own government. As lame as that series of excuses
has been, even he isn't stupid enough to blame it on an empire that existed
that long ago. You and BAH, on the other hand, are.

At least the rate of increase of the problem will decrease. Yes, we
will
still have to deal with terrorists, but that will be easier when we
don't go
out of our way to make the problem worse.

No, the rate will increase logrithmically.

You might want to learn a little bit about what you're saying before
typing. I think you mean "exponentially", since growing as the logarithm
of time doesn't really inspire fear. I thought you said you had a
technical background.

This is among the most idiotic of your replies of late.

Why?

snip...I'm getting pooped replying to the same old things

Yes, it is exhausting resisting thinking, isn't it? There are two
possible solutions. Stop replying and keep your paranoid fantasies to
yourself, or start thinking for yourself.

Seems to me she's done a better job of thinking for herself
than you could ever possibly muster based on your displays
of late.

She (and you) do nothing but parrot the Administration's talking points. If
that's what passes for "independent thought", I pity you both. Fortunately,
our country is beginning to see through the BS for what it really is.

Eric Lucas

 

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lucasea@sbcglobal.net wrote:

"unsettled" <unsettled@nonsense.com> wrote in message
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T Wake wrote:

If the West changed to Islamic based societies life would continue
largely as normal.

Normal in Islamic based societies is brothers killing
brothers in religious fanaticism, thank you very much!

Proof, please.

Pay attention to what's happeing in the world right
now and read some non-western history.

A few wackos are attacking innocents. How exactly does that equate to
"Normal in Islamic based societies is brothers killing brothers"? You need
to learn to think critically, and not tar an entire society by the actions
of a few.

Either all of history, or your rendition of an ideal
world, is a lie. I've my thoughts on the matter and
have no further need of yours.

Oh, goody, another "kill 'em all, because they all wanna kill you" enters
the fray.

The nice thing is that you're entitled to be as demented
as you wish to be.

As are you.

Eric Lucas

 

"unsettled" <unsettled@nonsense.com> wrote in message
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Pathetic lucasea@sbcglobal.net spews:

"unsettled" <unsettled@nonsense.com> wrote in message
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I've my thoughts on the matter and
have no further need of yours.

Ok. Why post on USENET then?

Good God, you'd have us believe usenet is all about
you and no one else matters!

No, the point is, if you're not willing to listen and learn, why do you
suppose others might be willing to listen and learn from you?

Bwahahahahahaha!

The apprentice tries to teach the master his trade.

Yeah, whatever.

You're clearly a sock puppet adhering to
someone else's agenda.

That's funny, from someone who parrots the Republicans' agenda verbatim.

OK jackass, provide a valid cite or acknowledge you're a liar.

You first, I asked three posts ago. Put up or shut up.

Eric Lucas

 

[Eeyore]

unsettled wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
unsettled wrote:
T Wake wrote:

If the West changed to Islamic based societies life would

continue largely as normal.

Normal in Islamic based societies is brothers killing
brothers in religious fanaticism, thank you very much!


No it isn't.

This sort of denial is meaningless.

It's definitely as valid as your daft assertion !

I was used to
hearing it from very young school children who
didn't like the facts they were denying byt had
absolutely no grounds for argument.

It is obvious you have no knowledge of history.

Au contaire, my knowldege of history is very good.

Brother killing brother was not stopped by
conversion to Islam. It remains prevalent in
the culture.

OK then. Cite please.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

unsettled wrote:

lucasea@sbcglobal.net wrote:

jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote in message

Here's a hint to you, hon. I've scratched off the ones that you
have used to build a wall around you.

No walls here.

Eric Lucas

You're pretty good at meaningless denials then?

You're damn excellent at daft assertions.

Graham

 

[joseph2k]

JoeBloe wrote:

On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 18:12:41 +0100, Eeyore
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> Gave us:

Do please also tell me about how the native American indians were treated.

Yes, it took us over a hundred years to shed the crap mentality we
learned from our european roots.

Then, we started the industrial revolution.

No it started in Europe, with England, Germany, France and Italy near the
bleeding edge. America imported it and bettered it, in that order. That
used to be early high school history.

But hey... we got the country, and did it the same way our
forefathers taught us. That would have been your forefathers.
There is not enough squirming in the world you can do claiming that we
were somehow rogue-ish back then and that you guys weren't, like some
"better folk" stayed behind and you're it. Bullshit.

That was then, on a planet not quite filled up yet. Now that a good
deal of it is filled up, the rules have changed. Not just us, but
people everywhere has huge interests to protect.

So yeah, our forefathers killed a lot of "indians". Do you think
all those folk just "spawned" from the east out toward the west. They
immigrated from your side of the pond, chucko! Hoards of 'em!

So who killed the "indians"?

--
JosephKK
Gegen dummheit kampfen die Gotter Selbst, vergebens.  
--Schiller

 

[joseph2k]

Daniel Mandic wrote:

JoeBloe wrote:

So who killed the "indians"?


Not the Russian....

They made their contributions in what is now Alaska.

Best Regards,

Daniel Mandic


P.S.: All at all, I think it was a more a society, emmigrating to
America. Embedded in a clueless two-Party Government, changing the
sides every 6 years, or not and with that mysetrious small village in
the North, knowing every President before he/she has been voted
officially.

--
JosephKK
Gegen dummheit kampfen die Gotter Selbst, vergebens.  
--Schiller

 

[joseph2k]

lucasea@sbcglobal.net wrote:

"JoeBloe" <joebloe@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in message
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Then, we started the industrial revolution.

Actually....no. From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_revolution:
"The debate about the start of the Industrial Revolution also concerns the
massive lead that Britain had over other countries."

The Industrial Revolution is widely acknowledged to have started in
England around the 1760s, with the start of migration of farm workers to
and the mechanization of factories--the first of which were probably the
textile
mills. Watt's steam engine around 1770 was a major enabling development.

At that time, we weren't yet even a country, and certainly had little or
no
industry. The IR didn't migrate to the US until sometime later in the
19th
century. DuPont set up his gunpowder factory in the early 1800s, and that
was probably one of the earliest US industrial concerns. Fascinating
tour, if you're ever in Wilmington, DE.

Interestingly, Leominster, England was a focal point for the mechanization
of the textile industry in England. That's interesting because
Leominster/Fitchburg, Massachusetts was the center of the US textile
industry from about 1850 until its decline after WWII and offshoring to
the
Far East. One might assume that the coincidence was due to textile
companies moving from Leominster, England to Massachusetts and setting up
company a town named after their home in England, but that's apparently
not
the case. Leominster, MA was settled, fully established and incorporated
long before the IR hit the US.

But, please, don't let a little data stand in the way of your jingoism.

Eric Lucas

Yes, thank you for reminding me. One of the economic drivers for the
sucesion, and the American civil war that it resulted in, is that was still
cheaper for the southern cotton plantation owners to ship their cotton to
England to be milled, spun and woven and ship the results back; than it was
to sent it to the new American mills in the Northern States for the same
services.

--
JosephKK
Gegen dummheit kampfen die Gotter Selbst, vergebens.  
--Schiller

 

[Eeyore]

jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:

Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:

As for Europe, I'm not hearing much discussions about this
either. What I do hear is capitulations so that they
get their oil deliveries.

Utter drivel.

If your posts are an example of conclusions made from the news
you get, I'm even more worried about Eurpoe ceding completely
with one little oil tap turned off.

Ceding to whom ? The Phantom Evil Empire ?

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:

lucasea@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Funny, you've offered no solutions to the problems that have been created by
the current administration.

STate a problem. You keep contending that Iraq is one. It is
not.

It's all going badly wrong in Iraq right now.

The death rate in Baghdad is up 22% this month and the coalition recently lost
control of 2 major cities Amara and Ramadi.

Even Bush is having to reconsider his options or hadn't you noticed ?

Graham

 

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[Daniel Mandic]

joseph2k wrote:

Daniel Mandic wrote:

JoeBloe wrote:

So who killed the "indians"?


Not the Russian....

They made their contributions in what is now Alaska.

To the Innuit Indianer?



Best Regards,

Daniel Mandic

 

In article <XrqdncxDzeX1ZqXYnZ2dnUVZ8qednZ2d@pipex.net>,
"T Wake" <usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote:

jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote in message
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In article <453642C1.5D38F093@hotmail.com>,
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

Why not start listening to and watching the BBC
?

I have and I do. I now listen to the BBC to see which
slant of surrendering to the Islamic extremists they
are taking that day.

Amazing. Can you let me know when you come across any please?

Any report about the Palestinians will give you a start.

/BAH

 

In article <1228f$4538cf5b$49ecf72$26381@DIALUPUSA.NET>,
unsettled <unsettled@nonsense.com> wrote:

jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:

In article <BztZg.15968$e66.11130@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>,
lucasea@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote in message
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Now, w.r.t. to the subject of this thread, most of you have
spent all of the writing time trying to blame one person
rather than hold a conversation about defining the problem
and possible solutions.

No, you're so focused on *your* definition of the problem, which is based
on
defending the indefensible actions of the administration, that you just
won't or can't accept what we define as the problem, and therefore, you
reject out of hand the solutions that we do present.

This administation are the only politicians who are trying to deal
with a serious national threat. No other politician is.

You all seem to assume that, when Bush is out of power, the
problem will magically disappear. It will not.

I agree. The crap that this administration started will continue to be a
problem for a very long time. Thus my expression of regret that Bush and
his administration will never have to actually take responsibility for the
crap that they created.

This crap was started, and recognized as a problem, at the beginning
of the 20th century. Historians call it the end of the Ottoman
Empire.

Most net based discussions ignore the history of the region

Most do but not, generally, the ones I participate in.

as well as the cultural differences

I have severe problems figuring out the culture differences.
It is one thing that I know I probably will not be able to
do well. My visit to China taught me this. All I can do
is be aware that I have a problem putting myself within
that context. I haven't figured out another way to deal
with this problem I have. I rely on people bopping
me over the head I'm way off.

which prevent the
success of ordinary "politically correct" western thought
from achieving any sort of success.

I've been fighting PCitis for decades.

It also helps to understand why the Ottomans held the region
in the first place, as well as the prior history of the
middle eastern peoples and their general lack of achievment.

This is something I haven't figured out yet. It is almost
as if achievement in all areas is not a goal. This culture
did know how to deal with water but I don't see evidence
of this; this lack may be due to our news concentrating
on all the uninteresting stuff.

"The crap," that is this particular crap, is much older,
identifiably linking all the way back into prehistory.

Some people also seem to think they're equipped to enter
into discussions like this merely because they believe
they have a grasp of "how to discuss." The discussions
they provide end up being futile because they're arguing
by method and gut feel instead of by logic based on
well grounded facts.

I can deal logical discussions when they're not based on fact.
I have problems with people who take pride in the ability
to not learn on purpose.

At least the rate of increase of the problem will decrease. Yes, we will
still have to deal with terrorists, but that will be easier when we don't
go
out of our way to make the problem worse.

http://tinyurl.com/ydw8ll

No, the rate will increase logrithmically.

Yes.

snip...I'm getting pooped replying to the same old things

Yes.

There's the old joke about prison inmates yelling numbers at
one another followed by a general hysterical laughter. The
visitor was told that they all knew one joke book so they were
saving time by simly yelling the number of the joke.

That's boring too. I don't learn anything repeating the stuff
that doesn't work. Must be due to my computer days.

The usenet version will eventually become firing salvos of
URL's at one another, especially when dealing with people
like Wake and Lucas.

I have useful discussions, where useful is I learn or get pointed
at stuff to learn. However, I've had to <CTRL>R a lot of posts
in this thread when the list looks like it's an name-calling
exchange. I've probably missed a couple of good posts.

/BAH

 

In article <4538F2C5.135DE222@hotmail.com>,
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:

"T Wake" <usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote:
jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote in message
"T Wake" <usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote:
jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote in message
|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk wrote:

I doubt if you would find any of the reactive starting materials for
CW
like phosphorous chloride, fluoride, oxychloride, thionyl chloride or
any of the other more complex intermediates like trimethyl phosphite
(some of which have legitimate use in plastics and insecticides) on
any
drug store shelf.

I have my chemistry book, also known as the recipe book. Now specify
the ingredients needed to make those dishes you've just listed.


They were ingredients.

Which need to be made. These compounds do not occur naturally
in the soil.


Not relevant, they are ingredient for the creation of CW. Breaking it down
into the common elements is truly pointless and nothing but a distraction.

This point is not irrelavent. I am trying to get you to think with
more than ball-influenced brains. A chemistry major would know
how to make those ingredients and then make the weapons.

The precursors may not quite so simple to make as you imagine.

Goodfucking GRIEF! I didn't say it was simple. No chemistry
is simple. Have you ever taken a chemistry course?

/BAH