Jihad needs scientists

[John Larkin]

On Sun, 22 Oct 06 12:09:48 GMT, jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:

In article <Qmu_g.14851$GR.13390@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net>,
lucasea@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote in message
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Common sense would deemd that interval wider than the data.


....and because you have absolutely no background in or understanding of
statistics, your "common sense" would be wrong. Please do learn whereof you
speak, before you speak. The gaps in your knowledge in areas that are key
to a lot of the points you insist are right, is phenomenal and appalling.


I don't know it's wrong. I do know enough that bad data will
never show any statistical significance.

Don't you think *they* are in a better position to judge the quality of
their data than *you* are,

Nope. Not when it's for the BBC comsumption.

since your understanding of statistics is
essentially non-existent? And don't you think that the peers who reviewed
the article and allowed it to be published might also be just a tiny tad
more knowledgeable of statistics than you are?

This is not a question of ability of applying statistics. It is
a question of the agility of applying statistics. I am sceptic
of the agility.


Yes, you do not know enough. Have you studied statistics, sampling, data
analysis?

Yes. A long time ago.


Then you've clearly forgotten everything you learned.

I can certainly open my stat books and yak a good game of
presenting the same data point as a dozen. In the olden
days, I'd just dup 12 cards.

We were just talking about doing a polynomial curve fit to a dataset,
where one of my guys decided that points on one end of the scale
should be weighted more than points on the other end. He came up with
a page of equations, full of matrices and things, to apply a weighting
function on top of a polynomial regression. It hurt my head, so I
suggested he just copy various multiples of different points back into
the table, like 5x from the low end tapering up to 25x on the high
end, the run the curve fit. You could do that with punch cards, too.

But the problem turned out to be a lot simpler, almost linear, when we
looked at it from another direction. And when we changed the specs on
the product, it got even simpler.

John

 

[John Larkin]

On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 12:06:29 -0400, Spehro Pefhany
<speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:

On 18 Oct 2006 07:23:46 -0700, the renowned "MooseFET"
kensmith@rahul.net> wrote:


jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:
In article <1161093895.152327.297830@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"MooseFET" <kensmith@rahul.net> wrote:

unsettled wrote:
jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:


I can state my hidden agenda; preserve the world's accumulated
knowledge. Religious extremists have the goal of destroying
most of that knowledge. Islamic extremists have the goal of
destroying it all because it's a product of Western civilization.

Religious extremism is always the result of one of the following:

A) Insanity

B) Desire for power, control, and wealth

You left "sex" off the list, unless you include that in one of the
three you listed.

You haven't been paying attention. That is the reward for
murdering thousandS and millions of people.

Actually, I have been paying attention. The toughest job in heaven
these days is virgin wrangler.

/BAH

What's the reward for virgins? 1/72 of some hirsute dude? Hmmm...
could have used that line in HS..



Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

Anybody know the reward for a female martyr?

John

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:

Bush is having to deal with next month's elections. Republicans
who want to get reelected next month have to take an anti-war
stance because it is now politically incorrect to be "for" the
Iraqi War. It's Vietnam all over again. In a couple years,
the soldiers who come home will be spit upon because the blame
will be transferred from Bush, who is no longer in power, to
the grunts.

That wouldn't be very smart. Until they receive their discharge
papers, they are still considered US government property. I had a
couple morons cursing at me at the Cincinnati International Airport in
1974 when I flew home in my dress uniform. I laughed at them and told
them where to go, but if either one had spit at me I would have beat the
shit out of them with my 95 pound duffle bag and pressed charges for
assault. They would be charged by the feds with attempting to destroy
government property. It was four more years before I finished my
reserve duty, and received my DD-214


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:

Kent State was not a riot.

It turned into a riot when they started throwing stones at the
soldiers on police.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

John Fields wrote:

On 22 Oct 2006 00:35:48 GMT, "Daniel Mandic" <daniel_mandic@aon.at
wrote:

unsettled wrote:

You're good at taking IQ tests. Doesn't actually
mean you're "smart."



It does.


Also you can count in: Endurance, Skill and Patience. (E.g. longer test
than the IQ Test )


Mine is ~120

---
Seems like you ought to have better control of English, then.

120? But that's in metric, not English.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

 

[John Fields]

On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 14:31:04 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

Anybody know the reward for a female martyr?

---
Regalia?


--
John Fields
Professional Circuit Designer

 

[John Larkin]

On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 14:31:04 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 12:06:29 -0400, Spehro Pefhany
speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:

On 18 Oct 2006 07:23:46 -0700, the renowned "MooseFET"
kensmith@rahul.net> wrote:


jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:
In article <1161093895.152327.297830@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"MooseFET" <kensmith@rahul.net> wrote:

unsettled wrote:
jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:


I can state my hidden agenda; preserve the world's accumulated
knowledge. Religious extremists have the goal of destroying
most of that knowledge. Islamic extremists have the goal of
destroying it all because it's a product of Western civilization.

Religious extremism is always the result of one of the following:

A) Insanity

B) Desire for power, control, and wealth

You left "sex" off the list, unless you include that in one of the
three you listed.

You haven't been paying attention. That is the reward for
murdering thousandS and millions of people.

Actually, I have been paying attention. The toughest job in heaven
these days is virgin wrangler.

/BAH

What's the reward for virgins? 1/72 of some hirsute dude? Hmmm...
could have used that line in HS..



Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

Anybody know the reward for a female martyr?

John

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/10/22/INGA9LS0721.DTL

"A: If you look at the film, I didn't come up with just Occidental
analysts going to a blackboard and saying, "Hey, this is how it
works." I came up with people from inside the Palestinian territories.
Every single one of my suicide bombers talks about it; a woman talks
about wanting to be one of the 72 virgins, saying, "I would have been
the prettiest of all." If you talk to students in Gaza, they talk
about the high level of sexual frustration that they have -- that it's
not possible to have a normal life."


John

 

[unsettled]

John Larkin wrote:

On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 12:06:29 -0400, Spehro Pefhany
speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:


On 18 Oct 2006 07:23:46 -0700, the renowned "MooseFET"
kensmith@rahul.net> wrote:


jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:

In article <1161093895.152327.297830@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"MooseFET" <kensmith@rahul.net> wrote:

unsettled wrote:

jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:



I can state my hidden agenda; preserve the world's accumulated
knowledge. Religious extremists have the goal of destroying
most of that knowledge. Islamic extremists have the goal of
destroying it all because it's a product of Western civilization.

Religious extremism is always the result of one of the following:

A) Insanity

B) Desire for power, control, and wealth

You left "sex" off the list, unless you include that in one of the
three you listed.

You haven't been paying attention. That is the reward for
murdering thousandS and millions of people.

Actually, I have been paying attention. The toughest job in heaven
these days is virgin wrangler.

/BAH

What's the reward for virgins? 1/72 of some hirsute dude? Hmmm...
could have used that line in HS..



Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany


Anybody know the reward for a female martyr?

Same thing. LOL

 

[Eeyore]

unsettled wrote:

jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
unsettled wrote:
Eeyore wrote:

The survey was to determine death rates from all causes pre and post
war. Quite simple really.

Pre-war of course there weren't any deaths from either US killings or
any insurgents.

And of course you faithfully believe Saddam's historical
records as being accurate and true! Bwahahahahahaha

The figures for the pre-war era encountered by the group tally with CIA
figures !


What era? And there aren't death certificates for those
in hidden mass graves. So any person asked about people
they know who died couldn't have shown a certificate.
This person who disappeared could have been reported by
10 households. Do you not see a problem in collected
unique datums?

Lucas & Wake's blindness is highly selective.

Have you even bothered to check the methods used for this survey ?

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

unsettled wrote:

T Wake wrote:

IT and computers are a science field.

Only as a misnomer.

Since when was electronics not a field of science ?

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:

Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:
lucasea@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Funny, you've offered no solutions to the problems that have been created
by the current administration.

STate a problem. You keep contending that Iraq is one. It is
not.

It's all going badly wrong in Iraq right now.

Of course it is. The goal is to Democrats in power in the US
elections.

Whose goal ?

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:

Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:

What is really frustrating about these people is that
they don't have to know any history.

I reckon in any competition, my knowledge of history would knock yours
into the proverbial cocked hat.

Possibly. I forgot the utliple choice answer-type history.
ARe you not alarmed that Nazis are getting elected to seats of
power in Germany?

The are no Nazi members in the Bundestag

Do you not get that deja vu feeling all over again?

No.

Graham

 

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:453C4494.53C1529@hotmail.com...

unsettled wrote:

T Wake wrote:

IT and computers are a science field.

Only as a misnomer.

Since when was electronics not a field of science ?

It's a fairly subtle difference, but an important one as regards such things
as approach and mindset. Science is the field of using the scientific
method (you know, hypothesize, test, repeat) to try to discover thruths
about the universe. Electronics in the sense of designing and building
electronic devices like computers is more a field of engineering than
science--i.e., it's a field that uses the results of science to do and make
cool things that people want. Electronics in this sense does use the
results of the sciences of solid state physics, chemistry, etc., and there
can be use of the scientific method involved in designing electronic
circuits (hypothesize, build, test, repeat), but it's really more an
engineering mindset.

Eric Lucas

 

[John Larkin]

On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 05:27:01 +0100, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

unsettled wrote:

T Wake wrote:

IT and computers are a science field.

Only as a misnomer.

Since when was electronics not a field of science ?

Graham

Electronics is a technology. Electrical engineers build things, they
don't research the workings of nature. Some academic EEs pretend to be
scientists.

Almost all the sciences use electronics to manage, measure, and record
experiments. It's remarkable how little science can now be done
without electronics, the exception being theoretical work, but even
that is tested and validated - or not - with electronics. Electronics
has become an indispensable tool of science, like mathematics.
Strange.

John

 

[Eeyore]

lucasea@sbcglobal.net wrote:

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message
unsettled wrote:
T Wake wrote:

IT and computers are a science field.

Only as a misnomer.

Since when was electronics not a field of science ?

It's a fairly subtle difference, but an important one as regards such things
as approach and mindset. Science is the field of using the scientific
method (you know, hypothesize, test, repeat) to try to discover thruths
about the universe. Electronics in the sense of designing and building
electronic devices like computers is more a field of engineering than
science--i.e., it's a field that uses the results of science to do and make
cool things that people want. Electronics in this sense does use the
results of the sciences of solid state physics, chemistry, etc., and there
can be use of the scientific method involved in designing electronic
circuits (hypothesize, build, test, repeat), but it's really more an
engineering mindset.

I should have said 'scientific discipline'.

Graham

 

In article <ehafo7$ot9$1@leto.cc.emory.edu>,
lparker@emory.edu (Lloyd Parker) wrote:

In article <ehab1j$8qk_001@s949.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>,
jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:
In article <1161169073.347610.229970@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,


The people I've been talking to appear to believe that only
the US government knows how to make these things.



They
seem to believe that only the US government can OK
all chemical invoices.


Weapons? Yes. Certain chemicals? Yes again.

Our business and politics do not
work that way. I think a lot Europeans are confused by
this because their businesses are generally government
controlled.

A total lie. Europe is very capitalistic.

Not the labor. Labor is union.

and/or union controlled

Aw, corporations give their workers a voice in how they're run. Gee, what a
radical idea. Straight out of biblical-era communes and Pilgrim New England.

espeically in the
manufacturing and mining areas.

In the US, the federal government isn't allowed to do anything.

Except start wars.

When the nation is threatened, yes. It's in our Constitution.
That was written that way so that the states didn't war
among themselves. Disputes are settles in courts of law
rather than killing fields. The people who met at
the Constitutional Convention did not want to go through
the hundreds of years' war that Europe meandered in.

This
is gradually getting destroyed; everytime you hear about
a Supremem Court ruling about the Constitution deals with whether
the states or feds have power.


Buying the bulk reagents from Western sources at high purity allowed
them to concentrate on the hard part of industrial scale synthesis and
improved yeilds.

I understand that. However, that was convenience and it was possible.
What these Europeans (with whom I'm talking) are really saying is
that the US government should take control of all business and
make the decisions of what, who, what and where. IOW, they
want the US to become, not socialist, but communist.


You are a liar.


Geez, the "red under every bed" paranoia went out with McCarthy!

Communism is the result of choosing equality for everybody
in favor of liberty for everybody.

/BAH

 

In article <Am7_g.16015$vJ2.1847@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com>,
<lucasea@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote in message
news:ehadg0$8qk_001@s949.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com...
snip

However, there isn't a single
Democrat running for President in 2008 who is willing to deal
with the reality that we have an enemy capable of destroying
Western civilization and everything that smells of this living
style.

Proof, please. Again, this is your arrogance claiming to know what people
are and are not willing to do. The 2008 campaigns haven't even begun yet.

ARe you kidding? People are actively campaigning already. Kerry
just tried to make the same campaign speech in New Hampshire he
did during his failed attempt in 2004. He's already collecting
for his money chest.

Clinton has an election office opened in NH.

<snip>

/BAH

 

In article <453BE8C2.832C9A5D@earthlink.net>,
"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:

Bush is having to deal with next month's elections. Republicans
who want to get reelected next month have to take an anti-war
stance because it is now politically incorrect to be "for" the
Iraqi War. It's Vietnam all over again. In a couple years,
the soldiers who come home will be spit upon because the blame
will be transferred from Bush, who is no longer in power, to
the grunts.


That wouldn't be very smart. Until they receive their discharge
papers, they are still considered US government property. I had a
couple morons cursing at me at the Cincinnati International Airport in
1974 when I flew home in my dress uniform. I laughed at them and told
them where to go, but if either one had spit at me I would have beat the
shit out of them with my 95 pound duffle bag and pressed charges for
assault.

The spitting was done in California by so-called hippies. I was
appalled.

They would be charged by the feds with attempting to destroy
government property.

I never heard that happening. However, by 1974 I was busy
making something that would, in my naive mind, stop mess making.
I have since discovered that we had everything bassackwards.

It was four more years before I finished my
reserve duty, and received my DD-214

What does DD-214 mean? (besides discharge).

/BAH

 

In article <453C44D7.540280C@hotmail.com>,
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:

Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:
lucasea@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Funny, you've offered no solutions to the problems that have been
created
by the current administration.

STate a problem. You keep contending that Iraq is one. It is
not.

It's all going badly wrong in Iraq right now.

Of course it is. The goal is to Democrats in power in the US
elections.

Whose goal ?

The Islamic extremists. Based on past history, they believe
that Democrats will not retaliate with swift and deadly force
when their next mess is made against the US.

/BAH

 

In article <453A24D6.FD9A2EED@hotmail.com>,
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:

"T Wake" <usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote:
jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote in message
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

Why not start listening to and watching the BBC
?

I have and I do. I now listen to the BBC to see which
slant of surrendering to the Islamic extremists they
are taking that day.

Amazing. Can you let me know when you come across any please?

Any report about the Palestinians will give you a start.

You think the BBC has surrendered to the Palestinians ?

No. That will be the consequence.

/BAH