Jaycar....

[keithr0]

It has been reported that JB Hi, Super Retail Group, and Wesfarmers are
looking to buy Jaycar valued at ~$500M.

 

[Sylvia Else]

On 26-May-22 5:03 pm, keithr0 wrote:

It has been reported that JB Hi, Super Retail Group, and Wesfarmers are
looking to buy Jaycar valued at ~$500M.

Then they\'ll convert it into a standard consumer electronics store, the
way they did with Dick Smith, and destroy its market in the process.

Sylvia.

 

[Trevor Wilson]

On 26/05/2022 6:51 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:

On 26-May-22 5:03 pm, keithr0 wrote:
It has been reported that JB Hi, Super Retail Group, and Wesfarmers
are looking to buy Jaycar valued at ~$500M.

Then they\'ll convert it into a standard consumer electronics store, the
way they did with Dick Smith, and destroy its market in the process.

Sylvia.

**You mean the market for over-priced junk and counterfeit electronic
components?

Good riddance. Jaycar has been a blight on the industry for decades.

 

[Rod Speed]

Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote

keithr0 wrote

It has been reported that JB Hi, Super Retail Group, andWesfarmers are
looking to buy Jaycar valued at ~$500M.

Then they\'ll convert it into a standard consumer electronics store, the
way they did with Dick Smith,

Those operations didn\'t do it to Dick Smith.

> and destroy its market in the process.

 

[Rod Speed]

Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote

Sylvia Else wrote
keithr0 wrote

It has been reported that JB Hi, Super Retail Group, and Wesfarmers
are looking to buy Jaycar valued at ~$500M.

Then they\'ll convert it into a standard consumer electronics store,
the way they did with Dick Smith, and destroy its market in the process.

You mean the market for over-priced junk

Quite a bit of their stuff isn\'t junk. Sure, it is higher priced that
from aliexpress etc, but handy if you need something quickly.

and counterfeit electronic components?

Good riddance. Jaycar has been a blight on the industry for decades.

More of your mindless bullshit.

 

[keithr0]

On 27/05/2022 5:01 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:

On 26/05/2022 6:51 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 26-May-22 5:03 pm, keithr0 wrote:
It has been reported that JB Hi, Super Retail Group, and Wesfarmers
are looking to buy Jaycar valued at ~$500M.

Then they\'ll convert it into a standard consumer electronics store,
the way they did with Dick Smith, and destroy its market in the process.

Sylvia.

**You mean the market for over-priced junk and counterfeit electronic
components?

Good riddance. Jaycar has been a blight on the industry for decades.

I get most of my stuff from china, but, if I need something now, I\'ll go
to Jaycar because it\'s 20 minutes away. I\'d rather go to Altronics, but
that\'s half way to Brisbane ans at leas 45 minutes drive.

 

[Clocky]

On 27/05/2022 3:01 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:

On 26/05/2022 6:51 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 26-May-22 5:03 pm, keithr0 wrote:
It has been reported that JB Hi, Super Retail Group, and Wesfarmers
are looking to buy Jaycar valued at ~$500M.

Then they\'ll convert it into a standard consumer electronics store,
the way they did with Dick Smith, and destroy its market in the process.

Sylvia.

**You mean the market for over-priced junk and counterfeit electronic
components?

Counterfeit? Well apart from that dude that did the Arduino (IIRC)
starter kit which they blatantly copied, what other examples are there?

Good riddance. Jaycar has been a blight on the industry for decades.

Rubbish.

Sure, they sell junk but they\'re also handy if you need something and it
doesn\'t need to be top shelf. Very convenient for hobbyists.

We don\'t have a Jaycar, only an agent but they are very helpful and are
happy to get things in from other suppliers on their stock orders and
not charge additional freight.

 

[Trevor Wilson]

On 27/05/2022 3:23 pm, Clocky wrote:

On 27/05/2022 3:01 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 26/05/2022 6:51 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 26-May-22 5:03 pm, keithr0 wrote:
It has been reported that JB Hi, Super Retail Group, and Wesfarmers
are looking to buy Jaycar valued at ~$500M.

Then they\'ll convert it into a standard consumer electronics store,
the way they did with Dick Smith, and destroy its market in the process.

Sylvia.

**You mean the market for over-priced junk and counterfeit electronic
components?


Counterfeit? Well apart from that dude that did the Arduino (IIRC)
starter kit which they blatantly copied, what other examples are there?

**Jaycar are notorious for selling dodgy, Chinese, re-branded components
that do not meet their published specs. Notably, they were caught
selling MJ15003/MJ15004 transistors that didn\'t come close to the
manufacturer\'s specs. Quite a few techs were caught out. Jaycar were
kind enough to refund their purchase price, but not the time spent
fixing the same fault several times. One of my mates got caught out,
when he was repairing a TV set with dodgy Jaycar parts. He lost 4 hours
chasing his tail.

Good riddance. Jaycar has been a blight on the industry for decades.



Rubbish.

Sure, they sell junk but they\'re also handy if you need something and it
doesn\'t need to be top shelf. Very convenient for hobbyists.

**Sure. Hobbyists don\'t care if something they\'ve repaired blows up
again. Don\'t get me wrong: I have a Jaycar 15 minutes from my home and
if I need something desperately and/or not critical, I\'ll buy from them.
However, all my US/Euro semiconductors and electrolytic caps come from
an ISO9001 supplier, like Element14, RS or X-On. Japanese semis are from
WES, which are not immune from selling counterfeit semis either. I was
caught a couple of time. And their electros are rubbish.

We don\'t have a Jaycar, only an agent but they are very helpful and are
happy to get things in from other suppliers on their stock orders and
not charge additional freight.

**Like I said: Hobbyists don\'t care if something blows up. I do.

 

[Rod Speed]

On Fri, 27 May 2022 16:30:48 +1000, Trevor Wilson
<trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:

On 27/05/2022 3:23 pm, Clocky wrote:
On 27/05/2022 3:01 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 26/05/2022 6:51 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 26-May-22 5:03 pm, keithr0 wrote:
It has been reported that JB Hi, Super Retail Group, and Wesfarmers
are looking to buy Jaycar valued at ~$500M.

Then they\'ll convert it into a standard consumer electronics store,
the way they did with Dick Smith, and destroy its market in the
process.

Sylvia.

**You mean the market for over-priced junk and counterfeit electronic
components?

Counterfeit? Well apart from that dude that did the Arduino (IIRC)
starter kit which they blatantly copied, what other examples are there?

Jaycar are notorious for selling dodgy, Chinese, re-branded components
that do not meet their published specs.

So don\'t buy those components from them. stupid.

Notably, they were caught selling MJ15003/MJ15004 transistors that
didn\'t come close to the manufacturer\'s specs. Quite a few techs were
caught out. Jaycar were kind enough to refund their purchase price, but
not the time spent fixing the same fault several times. One of my mates
got caught out, when he was repairing a TV set with dodgy Jaycar parts.
He lost 4 hours chasing his tail.

So don\'t buy those components from them. stupid.

Good riddance. Jaycar has been a blight on the industry for decades.


Rubbish.
Sure, they sell junk but they\'re also handy if you need something and
it doesn\'t need to be top shelf. Very convenient for hobbyists.

Sure. Hobbyists don\'t care if something they\'ve repaired blows up again.
Don\'t get me wrong: I have a Jaycar 15 minutes from my home and if I
need something desperately and/or not critical, I\'ll buy from them.

So your original is just more of your mindless bullshit.

However, all my US/Euro semiconductors and electrolytic caps come from
an ISO9001 supplier, like Element14, RS or X-On. Japanese semis are from
WES, which are not immune from selling counterfeit semis either. I was
caught a couple of time. And their electros are rubbish.

So only buy the other stuff from Jaycar, stupid.

We don\'t have a Jaycar, only an agent but they are very helpful and
are happy to get things in from other suppliers on their stock orders
and not charge additional freight.

Like I said: Hobbyists don\'t care if something blows up.

Even sillier than you usually manage and that\'s saying something...

> I do.

 

[Phil Allison]

Trevor Wilson wrote:
================

**You mean the market for over-priced junk and counterfeit electronic
components?


Counterfeit? Well apart from that dude that did the Arduino (IIRC)
starter kit which they blatantly copied, what other examples are there?

**Jaycar are notorious for selling dodgy, Chinese, re-branded components
that do not meet their published specs. Notably, they were caught
selling MJ15003/MJ15004 transistors that didn\'t come close to the
manufacturer\'s specs.

** DSE had the same numbers with \"TIC\" branded parts in the 1980s.
Sold thousands of re-branded scrap transistors as being genuine - both in kits and over the counter.
Did it again in the 2000s with fake Motorola branded MJ15003/4 that were useless.
Rod Irving did the same and Jaycar was caught with hundreds of the same fakes.
WES had thousands of TO3 fakes in stock , maybe still do.

All were result of *reckless* purchasing practises and totally clueless staff.
Ebay is also flooded with fake TO3 and flat pack parts for audio.


BTW
Don\'t buy Jarcar Digital Panel Meter QP5585.
They are rejects and fail completely in a few months.


....... Phil

 

[Clocky]

On 27/05/2022 2:30 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:

On 27/05/2022 3:23 pm, Clocky wrote:
On 27/05/2022 3:01 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 26/05/2022 6:51 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 26-May-22 5:03 pm, keithr0 wrote:
It has been reported that JB Hi, Super Retail Group, and Wesfarmers
are looking to buy Jaycar valued at ~$500M.

Then they\'ll convert it into a standard consumer electronics store,
the way they did with Dick Smith, and destroy its market in the
process.

Sylvia.

**You mean the market for over-priced junk and counterfeit electronic
components?


Counterfeit? Well apart from that dude that did the Arduino (IIRC)
starter kit which they blatantly copied, what other examples are there?

**Jaycar are notorious for selling dodgy, Chinese, re-branded components
that do not meet their published specs. Notably, they were caught
selling MJ15003/MJ15004 transistors that didn\'t come close to the
manufacturer\'s specs. Quite a few techs were caught out. Jaycar were
kind enough to refund their purchase price, but not the time spent
fixing the same fault several times. One of my mates got caught out,
when he was repairing a TV set with dodgy Jaycar parts. He lost 4 hours
chasing his tail.


Good riddance. Jaycar has been a blight on the industry for decades.



Rubbish.

Sure, they sell junk but they\'re also handy if you need something and
it doesn\'t need to be top shelf. Very convenient for hobbyists.

**Sure. Hobbyists don\'t care if something they\'ve repaired blows up
again. Don\'t get me wrong: I have a Jaycar 15 minutes from my home and
if I need something desperately and/or not critical, I\'ll buy from them.

That\'s why they exist.

However, all my US/Euro semiconductors and electrolytic caps come from
an ISO9001 supplier, like Element14, RS or X-On. Japanese semis are from
WES, which are not immune from selling counterfeit semis either. I was
caught a couple of time. And their electros are rubbish.

*None* of them are immune to sourcing and selling counterfeits so you
really haven\'t made your point.

We don\'t have a Jaycar, only an agent but they are very helpful and
are happy to get things in from other suppliers on their stock orders
and not charge additional freight.


**Like I said: Hobbyists don\'t care if something blows up. I do.

So source your parts from you ISO9001 suppliers and good luck but it
doesn\'t change the fact Jaycar are handy for hobbyists, their target
customers and everyone else who needs something urgently you included.
So your \"Good riddance. Jaycar has been a blight on the industry for
decades.\" is absolutely rubbish.

You would do well to be less absolute. People who are so certain of
themselves often overlook things... I\'ve seen it in my trade often
enough and they often end up costing the customer more in charged time
than it should have...

 

[Phil Allison]

Clocky = Cockhead wrote:
-------------------------------------------

**Jaycar are notorious for selling dodgy, Chinese, re-branded components
that do not meet their published specs. Notably, they were caught
selling MJ15003/MJ15004 transistors that didn\'t come close to the
manufacturer\'s specs. Quite a few techs were caught out. Jaycar were
kind enough to refund their purchase price, but not the time spent
fixing the same fault several times. One of my mates got caught out,
when he was repairing a TV set with dodgy Jaycar parts. He lost 4 hours
ch

*None* of them are immune to sourcing and selling counterfeits

** False argument.

Unlike Jaycar et alia, E14 and RS do not engage in reckless purchasing and can trace stock to factory sources.


> you really haven\'t made your point.

** Whereas YOU *never* had one at all.

**Like I said: Hobbyists don\'t care if something blows up. I do.

So source your parts from you ISO9001 suppliers and good luck but it
doesn\'t change the fact Jaycar are handy for hobbyists, their target
customers

** Whom they routinely piss on.



...... Phil

 

[Trevor Wilson]

On 27/05/2022 9:19 pm, Rod Speed wrote:

On Fri, 27 May 2022 16:30:48 +1000, Trevor Wilson
trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:

On 27/05/2022 3:23 pm, Clocky wrote:
On 27/05/2022 3:01 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 26/05/2022 6:51 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 26-May-22 5:03 pm, keithr0 wrote:
It has been reported that JB Hi, Super Retail Group, and
Wesfarmers are looking to buy Jaycar valued at ~$500M.

Then they\'ll convert it into a standard consumer electronics store,
the way they did with Dick Smith, and destroy its market in the
process.

Sylvia.

**You mean the market for over-priced junk and counterfeit
electronic components?

 Counterfeit? Well apart from that dude that did the Arduino (IIRC)
starter kit which they blatantly copied, what other examples are there?

Jaycar are notorious for selling dodgy, Chinese, re-branded components
that do not meet their published specs.

So don\'t buy those components from them. stupid.

**I no longer do. Nuts, bolts, screws, junky toys, etc is all Jaycar is
useful for.

Notably, they were caught selling MJ15003/MJ15004 transistors that
didn\'t come close to the manufacturer\'s specs. Quite a few techs were
caught out. Jaycar were kind enough to refund their purchase price,
but not the time spent fixing the same fault several times. One of my
mates got caught out, when he was repairing a TV set with dodgy Jaycar
parts. He lost 4 hours chasing his tail.

So don\'t buy those components from them. stupid.

**Here\'s the thing: Those of us who have purchased such components have
been burned.

Good riddance. Jaycar has been a blight on the industry for decades.


 Rubbish.
 Sure, they sell junk but they\'re also handy if you need something
and it doesn\'t need to be top shelf. Very convenient for hobbyists.

Sure. Hobbyists don\'t care if something they\'ve repaired blows up
again. Don\'t get me wrong: I have a Jaycar 15 minutes from my home and
if I need something desperately and/or not critical, I\'ll buy from them.

So your original is just more of your mindless bullshit.

**My original what?

However, all my US/Euro semiconductors and electrolytic caps come from
an ISO9001 supplier, like Element14, RS or X-On. Japanese semis are
from WES, which are not immune from selling counterfeit semis either.
I was caught a couple of time. And their electros are rubbish.

So only buy the other stuff from Jaycar, stupid.

**Duh.

 We don\'t have a Jaycar, only an agent but they are very helpful and
are happy to get things in from other suppliers on their stock orders
and not charge additional freight.

Like I said: Hobbyists don\'t care if something blows up.

Even sillier than you usually manage and that\'s saying something...

**Of course hobbyists care. They just don\'t understand why their project
has blown up. They just assume that they\'ve done something stupid, when,
in reality, the only stupid thing they did was to buy shitty components
from Jaycar.

 

[Phil Allison]

Phil Allison wrote:
==============

**Jaycar are notorious for selling dodgy, Chinese, re-branded components
that do not meet their published specs. Notably, they were caught
selling MJ15003/MJ15004 transistors that didn\'t come close to the
manufacturer\'s specs. Quite a few techs were caught out. Jaycar were
kind enough to refund their purchase price, but not the time spent
fixing the same fault several times. One of my mates got caught out,
when he was repairing a TV set with dodgy Jaycar parts. He lost 4 hours
ch

*None* of them are immune to sourcing and selling counterfeits
** False argument.

Unlike Jaycar et alia, E14 and RS do not engage in reckless purchasing and can trace stock to factory sources.

** See recent vid on typical Sanken brand fakes from Ebay:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIvyNIEGI-s

Even possible to buy fake electros too.
22uF, 500V axials turned out to be old 400V radial caps removed and re packaged from used CFLs.



...... Phil

 

[Trevor Wilson]

On 28/05/2022 5:30 pm, Phil Allison wrote:

Phil Allison wrote:
==============

**Jaycar are notorious for selling dodgy, Chinese, re-branded components
that do not meet their published specs. Notably, they were caught
selling MJ15003/MJ15004 transistors that didn\'t come close to the
manufacturer\'s specs. Quite a few techs were caught out. Jaycar were
kind enough to refund their purchase price, but not the time spent
fixing the same fault several times. One of my mates got caught out,
when he was repairing a TV set with dodgy Jaycar parts. He lost 4 hours
ch

*None* of them are immune to sourcing and selling counterfeits
** False argument.

Unlike Jaycar et alia, E14 and RS do not engage in reckless purchasing and can trace stock to factory sources.


** See recent vid on typical Sanken brand fakes from Ebay:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIvyNIEGI-s

Even possible to buy fake electros too.
22uF, 500V axials turned out to be old 400V radial caps removed and re packaged from used CFLs.



..... Phil

**YIKES!

Jaycar buyers will likely seek them out.

 

[Rod Speed]

On Sat, 28 May 2022 16:05:55 +1000, Trevor Wilson
<trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:

On 27/05/2022 9:19 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
On Fri, 27 May 2022 16:30:48 +1000, Trevor Wilson
trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:

On 27/05/2022 3:23 pm, Clocky wrote:
On 27/05/2022 3:01 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 26/05/2022 6:51 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 26-May-22 5:03 pm, keithr0 wrote:
It has been reported that JB Hi, Super Retail Group, and
Wesfarmers are looking to buy Jaycar valued at ~$500M.

Then they\'ll convert it into a standard consumer electronics store,
the way they did with Dick Smith, and destroy its market in the
process.

Sylvia.

**You mean the market for over-priced junk and counterfeit
electronic components?

Counterfeit? Well apart from that dude that did the Arduino (IIRC)
starter kit which they blatantly copied, what other examples are
there?

Jaycar are notorious for selling dodgy, Chinese, re-branded components
that do not meet their published specs.

So don\'t buy those components from them. stupid.

I no longer do. Nuts, bolts, screws, junky toys, etc is all Jaycar is
useful for.

More of your utterly mindless bullshit.

I had an urgent need for a plugpack when lightning took out
the one that powered the security system at the local Salvos.
I replaced it with one from the local Jaycar because the local
Salvos use theirs to catch shop thieves and it is still working fine.

When my FTTN system went out for a day or two without notice
I couldn\'t put my hand on my wifi dongle so I got another from
the local Jaycar. Price was quite a it higher than from anyone
else but cheaper than from Hardly Normal, the only other source
in my country town. Worked fine and still does and much more
convenient than no internet for a couple of days.

Notably, they were caught selling MJ15003/MJ15004 transistors that
didn\'t come close to the manufacturer\'s specs. Quite a few techs were
caught out. Jaycar were kind enough to refund their purchase price,
but not the time spent fixing the same fault several times. One of my
mates got caught out, when he was repairing a TV set with dodgy Jaycar
parts. He lost 4 hours chasing his tail.

So don\'t buy those components from them. stupid.

Here\'s the thing: Those of us who have purchased such components have
been burned.

So don\'t buy those components from them. stupid.

Good riddance. Jaycar has been a blight on the industry for decades.


Rubbish.
Sure, they sell junk but they\'re also handy if you need something
and it doesn\'t need to be top shelf. Very convenient for hobbyists.

Sure. Hobbyists don\'t care if something they\'ve repaired blows up
again. Don\'t get me wrong: I have a Jaycar 15 minutes from my home and
if I need something desperately and/or not critical, I\'ll buy from
them.

So your original is just more of your mindless bullshit.

My original what?

Claim/post etc.

However, all my US/Euro semiconductors and electrolytic caps come from
an ISO9001 supplier, like Element14, RS or X-On. Japanese semis are
from WES, which are not immune from selling counterfeit semis either.
I was caught a couple of time. And their electros are rubbish.
So only buy the other stuff from Jaycar, stupid.

**Duh.


We don\'t have a Jaycar, only an agent but they are very helpful and
are happy to get things in from other suppliers on their stock orders
and not charge additional freight.

Like I said: Hobbyists don\'t care if something blows up.
Even sillier than you usually manage and that\'s saying something...

Of course hobbyists care. They just don\'t understand why their project
has blown up. They just assume that they\'ve done something stupid, when,
in reality, the only stupid thing they did was to buy shitty components
from Jaycar.

None of my purchases from Jaycar have blown up.

 

[Trevor Wilson]

On 29/05/2022 4:54 am, Rod Speed wrote:

On Sat, 28 May 2022 16:05:55 +1000, Trevor Wilson
trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:

On 27/05/2022 9:19 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
On Fri, 27 May 2022 16:30:48 +1000, Trevor Wilson
trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:

On 27/05/2022 3:23 pm, Clocky wrote:
On 27/05/2022 3:01 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 26/05/2022 6:51 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 26-May-22 5:03 pm, keithr0 wrote:
It has been reported that JB Hi, Super Retail Group, and
Wesfarmers are looking to buy Jaycar valued at ~$500M.

Then they\'ll convert it into a standard consumer electronics
store, the way they did with Dick Smith, and destroy its market
in the process.

Sylvia.

**You mean the market for over-priced junk and counterfeit
electronic components?

 Counterfeit? Well apart from that dude that did the Arduino (IIRC)
starter kit which they blatantly copied, what other examples are
there?

Jaycar are notorious for selling dodgy, Chinese, re-branded
components that do not meet their published specs.

 So don\'t buy those components from them. stupid.

I no longer do. Nuts, bolts, screws, junky toys, etc is all Jaycar is
useful for.

More of your utterly mindless bullshit.

I had an urgent need for a plugpack when lightning took out
the one that powered the security system at the local Salvos.
I replaced it with one from the local Jaycar because the local
Salvos use theirs to catch shop thieves and it is still working fine.

**My experience with Jaycar plugpacks is not as stellar. I worked on a
project for a client a few years back and I purchased 600 X 15VAC, 300ma
plug packs from Jaycar. After a few months in the field they began
failing (the absolute maximum current drawn was 100ma). When 10% if the
plugpacks had failed, I sourced new plugpacks from an Australian
manufacturer. These were rated at 16VAC, 100ma. To date (and it has been
25 years) I\'ve had to supply 3 replacements.

A 10% failure rate is appallingly bad. A 10% failure rate in a period of
a few months is simply unforgivable.

When my FTTN system went out for a day or two without notice
I couldn\'t put my hand on my wifi dongle so I got another from
the local Jaycar. Price was quite a it higher than from anyone
else but cheaper than from Hardly Normal, the only other source
in my country town. Worked fine and still does and much more
convenient than no internet for a couple of days.

Notably, they were caught selling MJ15003/MJ15004 transistors that
didn\'t come close to the manufacturer\'s specs. Quite a few techs
were caught out. Jaycar were kind enough to refund their purchase
price, but not the time spent fixing the same fault several times.
One of my mates got caught out, when he was repairing a TV set with
dodgy Jaycar parts. He lost 4 hours chasing his tail.

 So don\'t buy those components from them. stupid.

Here\'s the thing: Those of us who have purchased such components have
been burned.

So don\'t buy those components from them. stupid.

**And, once more: How do people know what not to buy, unless they have
already purchased rubbish?

Good riddance. Jaycar has been a blight on the industry for decades.


 Rubbish.
 Sure, they sell junk but they\'re also handy if you need something
and it doesn\'t need to be top shelf. Very convenient for hobbyists.

Sure. Hobbyists don\'t care if something they\'ve repaired blows up
again. Don\'t get me wrong: I have a Jaycar 15 minutes from my home
and if I need something desperately and/or not critical, I\'ll buy
from them.

 So your original is just more of your mindless bullshit.

My original what?

Claim/post etc.

**My original claim is spot-on. Jaycar sell over-priced rubbish. Their
products are unreliable and many of their components are below spec
and/or counterfeit.

However, all my US/Euro semiconductors and electrolytic caps come
from an ISO9001 supplier, like Element14, RS or X-On. Japanese semis
are from WES, which are not immune from selling counterfeit semis
either. I was caught a couple of time. And their electros are rubbish.
 So only buy the other stuff from Jaycar, stupid.

**Duh.


 We don\'t have a Jaycar, only an agent but they are very helpful
and are happy to get things in from other suppliers on their stock
orders and not charge additional freight.

Like I said: Hobbyists don\'t care if something blows up.
 Even sillier than you usually manage and that\'s saying something...

Of course hobbyists care. They just don\'t understand why their project
has blown up. They just assume that they\'ve done something stupid,
when, in reality, the only stupid thing they did was to buy shitty
components from Jaycar.

None of my purchases from Jaycar have blown up.

**Uh-huh.

 

[Rod Speed]

On Sun, 29 May 2022 06:52:14 +1000, Trevor Wilson
<trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:

On 29/05/2022 4:54 am, Rod Speed wrote:
On Sat, 28 May 2022 16:05:55 +1000, Trevor Wilson
trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:

On 27/05/2022 9:19 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
On Fri, 27 May 2022 16:30:48 +1000, Trevor Wilson
trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:

On 27/05/2022 3:23 pm, Clocky wrote:
On 27/05/2022 3:01 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 26/05/2022 6:51 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 26-May-22 5:03 pm, keithr0 wrote:
It has been reported that JB Hi, Super Retail Group, and
Wesfarmers are looking to buy Jaycar valued at ~$500M.

Then they\'ll convert it into a standard consumer electronics
store, the way they did with Dick Smith, and destroy its market
in the process.

Sylvia.

**You mean the market for over-priced junk and counterfeit
electronic components?

Counterfeit? Well apart from that dude that did the Arduino (IIRC)
starter kit which they blatantly copied, what other examples are
there?

Jaycar are notorious for selling dodgy, Chinese, re-branded
components that do not meet their published specs.

So don\'t buy those components from them. stupid.

I no longer do. Nuts, bolts, screws, junky toys, etc is all Jaycar is
useful for.
More of your utterly mindless bullshit.
I had an urgent need for a plugpack when lightning took out
the one that powered the security system at the local Salvos.
I replaced it with one from the local Jaycar because the local
Salvos use theirs to catch shop thieves and it is still working fine.

My experience with Jaycar plugpacks is not as stellar. I worked on a
project for a client a few years back and I purchased 600 X 15VAC, 300ma
plug packs from Jaycar. After a few months in the field they began
failing (the absolute maximum current drawn was 100ma). When 10% if the
plugpacks had failed, I sourced new plugpacks from an Australian
manufacturer. These were rated at 16VAC, 100ma. To date (and it has been
25 years) I\'ve had to supply 3 replacements.

A 10% failure rate is appallingly bad. A 10% failure rate in a period of
a few months is simply unforgivable.

The one I got is still working fine.

When my FTTN system went out for a day or two without notice
I couldn\'t put my hand on my wifi dongle so I got another from
the local Jaycar. Price was quite a it higher than from anyone
else but cheaper than from Hardly Normal, the only other source
in my country town. Worked fine and still does and much more
convenient than no internet for a couple of days.

Notably, they were caught selling MJ15003/MJ15004 transistors that
didn\'t come close to the manufacturer\'s specs. Quite a few techs
were caught out. Jaycar were kind enough to refund their purchase
price, but not the time spent fixing the same fault several times.
One of my mates got caught out, when he was repairing a TV set with
dodgy Jaycar parts. He lost 4 hours chasing his tail.

So don\'t buy those components from them. stupid.

Here\'s the thing: Those of us who have purchased such components have
been burned.

So don\'t buy those components from them. stupid.

And, once more: How do people know what not to buy, unless they have
already purchased rubbish?

You can get real radical and ask others who have bought stuff from Jaycar.

Good riddance. Jaycar has been a blight on the industry for
decades.


Rubbish.
Sure, they sell junk but they\'re also handy if you need something
and it doesn\'t need to be top shelf. Very convenient for hobbyists.

Sure. Hobbyists don\'t care if something they\'ve repaired blows up
again. Don\'t get me wrong: I have a Jaycar 15 minutes from my home
and if I need something desperately and/or not critical, I\'ll buy
from them.

So your original is just more of your mindless bullshit.

My original what?
Claim/post etc.

My original claim is spot-on.

Bullshit it is.

> Jaycar sell over-priced rubbish.

They sell plenty of adequate quality stuff and some find
they need something right now and don\'t need the week\'s
delay from another Oz supplier or the months delay with
aliexpress or ebay sellers who use chinese suppliers.

> Their products are unreliable

That\'s bullshit with plenty of them.

> and many of their components are below spec and/or counterfeit.

So don\'t buy those, stupid.

However, all my US/Euro semiconductors and electrolytic caps come
from an ISO9001 supplier, like Element14, RS or X-On. Japanese semis
are from WES, which are not immune from selling counterfeit semis
either. I was caught a couple of time. And their electros are
rubbish.
So only buy the other stuff from Jaycar, stupid.

**Duh.


We don\'t have a Jaycar, only an agent but they are very helpful
and are happy to get things in from other suppliers on their stock
orders and not charge additional freight.

Like I said: Hobbyists don\'t care if something blows up.
Even sillier than you usually manage and that\'s saying something...

Of course hobbyists care. They just don\'t understand why their project
has blown up. They just assume that they\'ve done something stupid,
when, in reality, the only stupid thing they did was to buy shitty
components from Jaycar.

None of my purchases from Jaycar have blown up.

Uh-huh.

Fraid so.

 

[Trevor Wilson]

On 29/05/2022 7:31 am, Rod Speed wrote:

On Sun, 29 May 2022 06:52:14 +1000, Trevor Wilson
trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:

On 29/05/2022 4:54 am, Rod Speed wrote:
On Sat, 28 May 2022 16:05:55 +1000, Trevor Wilson
trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:

On 27/05/2022 9:19 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
On Fri, 27 May 2022 16:30:48 +1000, Trevor Wilson
trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:

On 27/05/2022 3:23 pm, Clocky wrote:
On 27/05/2022 3:01 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 26/05/2022 6:51 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 26-May-22 5:03 pm, keithr0 wrote:
It has been reported that JB Hi, Super Retail Group, and
Wesfarmers are looking to buy Jaycar valued at ~$500M.

Then they\'ll convert it into a standard consumer electronics
store, the way they did with Dick Smith, and destroy its market
in the process.

Sylvia.

**You mean the market for over-priced junk and counterfeit
electronic components?

 Counterfeit? Well apart from that dude that did the Arduino
(IIRC) starter kit which they blatantly copied, what other
examples are there?

Jaycar are notorious for selling dodgy, Chinese, re-branded
components that do not meet their published specs.

 So don\'t buy those components from them. stupid.

I no longer do. Nuts, bolts, screws, junky toys, etc is all Jaycar
is useful for.
 More of your utterly mindless bullshit.
 I had an urgent need for a plugpack when lightning took out
the one that powered the security system at the local Salvos.
I replaced it with one from the local Jaycar because the local
Salvos use theirs to catch shop thieves and it is still working fine.

My experience with Jaycar plugpacks is not as stellar. I worked on a
project for a client a few years back and I purchased 600 X 15VAC,
300ma plug packs from Jaycar. After a few months in the field they
began failing (the absolute maximum current drawn was 100ma). When 10%
if the plugpacks had failed, I sourced new plugpacks from an
Australian manufacturer. These were rated at 16VAC, 100ma. To date
(and it has been 25 years) I\'ve had to supply 3 replacements.

A 10% failure rate is appallingly bad. A 10% failure rate in a period
of a few months is simply unforgivable.

The one I got is still working fine.

**Your sample experience of ONE is duly noted. MY sample experience was
SIX HUNDRED. A 10% failure rate within a few months is appalling.

 When my FTTN system went out for a day or two without notice
I couldn\'t put my hand on my wifi dongle so I got another from
the local Jaycar. Price was quite a it higher than from anyone
else but cheaper than from Hardly Normal, the only other source
in my country town. Worked fine and still does and much more
convenient than no internet for a couple of days.

Notably, they were caught selling MJ15003/MJ15004 transistors that
didn\'t come close to the manufacturer\'s specs. Quite a few techs
were caught out. Jaycar were kind enough to refund their purchase
price, but not the time spent fixing the same fault several times.
One of my mates got caught out, when he was repairing a TV set
with dodgy Jaycar parts. He lost 4 hours chasing his tail.

 So don\'t buy those components from them. stupid.

Here\'s the thing: Those of us who have purchased such components
have been burned.

 So don\'t buy those components from them. stupid.

And, once more: How do people know what not to buy, unless they have
already purchased rubbish?

You can get real radical and ask others who have bought stuff from Jaycar.

**At some point, someone has to be the first. Phil Allison was one of,
if not, the first person to publicise the failings of Jaycar and Dick
Smith WRT counterfeit parts.

And, here\'s the thing: We already have a system in place to ensure
consumers obtain quality parts. It\'s called ISO9001 accreditation. RS
Components, ELement14, X-On and others have it. Jaycar doesn\'t.

Good riddance. Jaycar has been a blight on the industry for
decades.


 Rubbish.
 Sure, they sell junk but they\'re also handy if you need
something and it doesn\'t need to be top shelf. Very convenient
for hobbyists.

Sure. Hobbyists don\'t care if something they\'ve repaired blows up
again. Don\'t get me wrong: I have a Jaycar 15 minutes from my home
and if I need something desperately and/or not critical, I\'ll buy
from them.

 So your original is just more of your mindless bullshit.

My original what?
 Claim/post etc.

My original claim is spot-on.

Bullshit it is.

**Not only have I provided examples to prove you wrong, but Jaycar\'s
failings are well documented.

Jaycar sell over-priced rubbish.

They sell plenty of adequate quality stuff and some find
they need something right now and don\'t need the week\'s
delay from another Oz supplier or the months delay with
aliexpress or ebay sellers who use chinese suppliers.

**How do you know if anything Jaycar sells is adequate? They don\'t have
ISO9001 accreditation.

Their products are unreliable

That\'s bullshit with plenty of them.

**Sure. Their nuts and bolts are OK.

and many of their components are below spec  and/or counterfeit.

So don\'t buy those, stupid.

**Tell me, in as much detail as you feel necessary, how YOU go about
ascertaining if a (say) MJ15003 transistor is counterfeit or not.

More importantly: Why should any consumer be forced to carefully check
every component they buy, before they install it into a project or
repair job?

However, all my US/Euro semiconductors and electrolytic caps come
from an ISO9001 supplier, like Element14, RS or X-On. Japanese
semis are from WES, which are not immune from selling counterfeit
semis either. I was caught a couple of time. And their electros
are rubbish.
 So only buy the other stuff from Jaycar, stupid.

**Duh.


 We don\'t have a Jaycar, only an agent but they are very helpful
and are happy to get things in from other suppliers on their
stock orders and not charge additional freight.

Like I said: Hobbyists don\'t care if something blows up.
 Even sillier than you usually manage and that\'s saying something...

Of course hobbyists care. They just don\'t understand why their
project has blown up. They just assume that they\'ve done something
stupid, when, in reality, the only stupid thing they did was to buy
shitty components from Jaycar.

 None of my purchases from Jaycar have blown up.

Uh-huh.

Fraid so.

**Time will tell.

 

[Phil Allison]

Trevor Wilson wrote:
==================

**At some point, someone has to be the first. Phil Allison was one of,
if not, the first person to publicise the failings of Jaycar and Dick
Smith WRT counterfeit parts.

** Could only do that when internet forums allowed such publication.

Before that, I could not get magazines like EA or Electronics Today to even mention it - though worthless, fake MJ number TO3s were ruining power amp kits produced to their published designs.
I remember speaking to Roger Harrison ( ET) and Gary Cratt ( DSE ) about the issue.
Both had nothing sensible to say.

And, here\'s the thing: We already have a system in place to ensure
consumers obtain quality parts. It\'s called ISO9001 accreditation. RS
Components, ELement14, X-On and others have it. Jaycar doesn\'t.

** Hold on a mo !!!
A few years back, Jaycar used to *brag* about being ISO9001 accredited.
Huge joke, all they could ever do was record files of which shonky dealers they bought stuff from.
By chance, I found out one of them was Ellistronics.

**Tell me, in as much detail as you feel necessary, how YOU go about
ascertaining if a (say) MJ15003 transistor is counterfeit or not.

** There is only one sure way - trace it to the factory that made it.
MJ xxxx numbers are propriety to Motorola or ON Semi and cannot be made by outsiders like 2Nxxxx types.

More importantly: Why should any consumer be forced to carefully check
every component they buy, before they install it into a project or
repair job?

** You mean like they have to with valves ?


...... Phil