Isolated, regulated, toroidal step down transformer AC power

Correct. It is two Half-wave Voltage Doublers.

"jasen" <jasen@free.net.nz> wrote in message
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That's not what you have got. It's what you think you have got.
You have 30VDC out (+/-15VDC).

You have a wall wart transformer with poor load regulation. I'm guessing
it's
about 15VAC you have coming out of your wall wart. I also suspect the
original
design is relying on this to work.

Try taking some measurements rather than quoting the info that's printed
on it.

Mark said he had 4 diodes in the rectifier, that's not a normal doubler.
or rather that's two doublers one going up and one going down.

Bye.
Jasen
 
Oh surprise, surprise! ..and what do we have here?..

Why, it's Philthy and his #1 offsider, Sponge-Bob!

Here to 'save the day' are we Bob? ..earning brownie points with the
'uno-supremo' are we?

...or shall I refer to him, in his official position in the community of
'Phil-O-phile', as 'Das Führer'

...those 'points' must be very brown. Just like your mouth.


"Bob Parker" <bobp.deletethis@bluebottle.com> wrote in message
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On 5/04/2007 13:45 Phil Allison wrote:
" Mark Ilsley = UTTER FUCKING PSYCHO LIAR "


I don't think it could be rightly described as a "charge pump" device at
all.


** Oh yes it can.


Apparently (because I had to look it up) Charge Pump devices work by
electronically switching the polarity of the capacitors. IE "the
capacitor is disconnected from the original charging voltage and
reconnected with its negative terminal to the original positive charging
voltage".


** Exactly what the diodes do when the AC polarity changes.



Yes, it is a pair of half-wave rectifiers which DOUBLE the voltage. 9
VAC
in and +/-15 VDC out AFTER regulation.

** Totally impossible bollocks !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

9 volts AC = 12 volts DC *peak* after rectification and filtering."


There is no escape.


** For a totally autistic, lying moron like you.

........ Phil


This troll doesn't have a clue about even basic electronics. No point
trying to explain anything to him.
All he does is make a (bigger) fool of himself by automatically
contradicting whatever you say, claiming that he knows more than you do
and claiming to have you on his hook, to provoke more responses. Sorta
like the Monty Python 'Argument' sketch.
He's a stock-standard newsgroup troll. He doesn't have a life so he
gets on here for recreation and entertainment.


Bob
 
On 10/04/2007 15:32 Mark wrote:
Oh surprise, surprise! ..and what do we have here?..

Why, it's Philthy and his #1 offsider, Sponge-Bob!

Here to 'save the day' are we Bob? ..earning brownie points with the
'uno-supremo' are we?

..or shall I refer to him, in his official position in the community of
'Phil-O-phile', as 'Das Führer'

..those 'points' must be very brown. Just like your mouth.
Get back under your bridge, irrelevant clueless troll.
 
"Mark" mark@dodo.com.au wrote


Which description method would that be? "Charge Pump" or "Voltage
Multipliers".

These devices are commonly classed as Voltage Multipliers.




****Please go away you mindless cretin of a troll,just go far far away.
Anywhere but here,just go away!!


Brian G
 
Circuits described as "Charge Pump" typically use on/off SWITCHES to switch
the polarity of the capacitors.

For example, see:
http://www.eecg.utoronto.ca/~kphang/ece1371/chargepumps.pdf

I.E. The Cockcroft and Walton "Charge Pump" takes in as input a DC voltage
and "Charge Pumps" it to a higher DC voltage by disconnecting the capacitor
from the original charging voltage and RECONNECTING its NEGATIVE terminal to
the original POSITIVE charging voltage".

Circuits described as "Voltage Multipliers" (or "Voltage Doubler" in this
specific case) is an electrical circuit that converts AC electrical power
from a lower voltage to a higher DC voltage by means of capacitors and
diodes combined into a network. They DO NOT USE switches.

For example see: http://tpub.com/neets/book7/27m.htm The Diodes OPERATE AS
self-timed switches...but they are NOT switches per se.

NOW WHO IS IT THAT DOES NOT KNOW THEIR AC FROM THEIR DC?

...and THAT'S TWICE you've made the same mistake.

But wait, there is more!

To quote an authorities book on the subject, see:

http://www.edacafe.com/books/McGraw_Hill/Charge_Pump_Circuit_Design/45xch01.pdf)

"In order to overcome the aforementioned limitations, John F. Dickson
proposed a VOLTAGE MULTIPLIER circuit [as opposed to the Cockcroft-Walton
VOLTAGE MULTIPLIER circuit] However, the nodes of the diode chain are
coupled to the inputs via capacitors in PARALLEL(Dickson), instead of in
SERIES(Cockcroft-Walton)".

My device has its capacitors coupled to the inputs via capacitors in
PARALLEL as per Dickson.

My device is not the classic Cockcroft and Walton "Charge Pump" OR the
classic Cockcroft and Walton "Voltage Multiplier" which uses a diode chain
coupled to the inputs via capacitors in SERIES.

So, the "Dickson Charge Pump" which does NOT use switches to switch the
polarity of the capacitors OR use capacitors in series, is in fact a
"Voltage Multiplier"[1].

[1] The term "Voltage Multiplier" may not have been in common use when
Dickson invented his "Charge Pump", so he deferred to the Cockcroft and
Walton terminology.


"Phil Allison" <philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
news:57j9n2F2cha9vU1@mid.individual.net...
" Mark Ilsley = UTTER FUCKING PSYCHO LIAR "


I don't think it could be rightly described as a "charge pump" device at
all.


** Oh yes it can.


Apparently (because I had to look it up) Charge Pump devices work by
electronically switching the polarity of the capacitors. IE "the
capacitor is disconnected from the original charging voltage and
reconnected with its negative terminal to the original positive charging
voltage".


** Exactly what the diodes do when the AC polarity changes.



Yes, it is a pair of half-wave rectifiers which DOUBLE the voltage. 9
VAC
in and +/-15 VDC out AFTER regulation.


** Totally impossible bollocks !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

9 volts AC = 12 volts DC *peak* after rectification and filtering."


There is no escape.


** For a totally autistic, lying moron like you.





........ Phil
 
Enjoy the spam, cunt. brian.goldsmith@echo1.com.au You started this.


"Brian g" <brian.goldsmith@NOSPAMMecho1.com.au> wrote in message
news:uaHSh.11807$M.3468@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
"Mark" mark@dodo.com.au wrote


Which description method would that be? "Charge Pump" or "Voltage
Multipliers".

These devices are commonly classed as Voltage Multipliers.




****Please go away you mindless cretin of a troll,just go far far away.
Anywhere but here,just go away!!


Brian G
 
"Mark" mark@dodo.com.au wrote


You started this.

****Please go away you mindless cretin of a troll,just go far far away.
Anywhere but here,just go away!!


Brian G

****** Er,I started this??????????

You are the mindless troll that asked the first bog ignorant question!

Wotta wanker!
Brian g.
 
Meeeeow! I can just picture you, sitting in Pilthy's lap.

Will you chase a ball of wool for him as well?


"Bob Parker" <bobp.deletethis@bluebottle.com> wrote in message
news:461b22ba$0$13094$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
On 10/04/2007 15:32 Mark wrote:
Oh surprise, surprise! ..and what do we have here?..

Why, it's Philthy and his #1 offsider, Sponge-Bob!

Here to 'save the day' are we Bob? ..earning brownie points with the
'uno-supremo' are we?

..or shall I refer to him, in his official position in the community of
'Phil-O-phile', as 'Das Führer'

..those 'points' must be very brown. Just like your mouth.

Get back under your bridge, irrelevant clueless troll.
 
Hard fucking luck.

Usenet is NOT my life and I won't be here for long, but I ain't going
anywhere based on the ORDER of some sniffling little toady boy.


"Bob Parker" <bobp.deletethis@bluebottle.com> wrote in message
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On 5/04/2007 15:13 Mark wrote:
Yeah, right. Or to paraphrase your own comments:

"Hey, just because we behaved like arrogant cunts, don't expect any
better treatment elsewhere"

which is roughly to say: "Usenet is our life, and we can follow you
anywhere"

Go and annoy some other group with your babble, troll. We're tired of
you being here.
 
Does 'Pussy' want some milk?

"Bob Parker" <bobp.deletethis@bluebottle.com> wrote in message
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On 5/04/2007 14:57 Mark wrote:
What utter piffle.

Get back under your bridge, clueless troll.
 
On 10/04/2007 19:55 Mark wrote:
Hard fucking luck.

Usenet is NOT my life and I won't be here for long, but I ain't going
anywhere based on the ORDER of some sniffling little toady boy.

Troll (Internet)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"In Internet terminology, a troll is someone who intentionally posts
derogatory or otherwise inflammatory messages about sensitive topics in
an established online community such as an online discussion forum to
bait users into responding."



Get back under your bridge, troll.
 
On 10/04/2007 19:46 Mark wrote:
Meeeeow! I can just picture you, sitting in Pilthy's lap.

Will you chase a ball of wool for him as well?

Troll (Internet)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"In Internet terminology, a troll is someone who intentionally posts
derogatory or otherwise inflammatory messages about sensitive topics in
an established online community such as an online discussion forum to
bait users into responding."



Get back under your bridge, troll.
 
The plain ordinary sense of what I said and the truth of the matter are both
in my favour.

Internal topography makes no difference to the thread structure of Usenet
topics on most software 'Readers'. If there is such a 'Reader' that can
thread conversations based on the internal topography of individual
messages, I've yet to see it.

Therefore, the topography I choose makes absolutely no difference to the
ORDER in which individual messages are read. However, the ORDER in which
the conversations are presented by the software 'Reader' are not necessarily
chronological.

This was what seemed to be confusing "Swanny", originally. When he retorted
"No it isn't." to my claim that I had already given the explanation he
requested about 1/2 dozen times in the same thread. I had. Possibly all the
explanations (which are still there) appear BELOW this point. IE. 'Reader'
software does not necessarily present statements in chronological order.



"jasen" <jasen@free.net.nz> wrote in message
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On 2007-04-01, Mark <marknospampleaseilsley@dodo.com.au> wrote:
With great difficulty.

However, it is a problem with the thread structure of most readers, not
with
the order of my statements.

does that make sense to you?

--

Bye.
Jasen
 
That will serve as an almost functionally perfect description of 'Das
Führer' of 'Phil-O-phile'.




...but I would have added a few adjectives like "embarrassingly wrong"


"Bob Parker" <bobp.deletethis@bluebottle.com> wrote in message
news:461b607c$0$13103$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
On 10/04/2007 19:55 Mark wrote:
Hard fucking luck.

Usenet is NOT my life and I won't be here for long, but I ain't going
anywhere based on the ORDER of some sniffling little toady boy.


Troll (Internet)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"In Internet terminology, a troll is someone who intentionally posts
derogatory or otherwise inflammatory messages about sensitive topics in an
established online community such as an online discussion forum to bait
users into responding."



Get back under your bridge, troll.
 
On 10/04/2007 21:05 Mark wrote:
That will serve as an almost functionally perfect description of 'Das
Führer' of 'Phil-O-phile'.


..but I would have added a few adjectives like "embarrassingly wrong"
Fool
 
Chase it Kittty ...chase it!

"Bob Parker" <bobp.deletethis@bluebottle.com> wrote in message
news:461b6091$0$13103$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
On 10/04/2007 19:46 Mark wrote:
Meeeeow! I can just picture you, sitting in Pilthy's lap.

Will you chase a ball of wool for him as well?


Troll (Internet)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"In Internet terminology, a troll is someone who intentionally posts
derogatory or otherwise inflammatory messages about sensitive topics in an
established online community such as an online discussion forum to bait
users into responding."



Get back under your bridge, troll.
 
Ah, and here is Bob 'the decider'.

Simple judgements. No plausible arguments required.

Bob wishes you to know that he is 'the decider'.

The one who "get to decide what others should accept or believe".

By Order: 'Das Führer'.


"Bob Parker" <bobp.deletethis@bluebottle.com> wrote in message
news:461b7197$0$13114$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
On 10/04/2007 21:05 Mark wrote:
That will serve as an almost functionally perfect description of 'Das
Führer' of 'Phil-O-phile'.


..but I would have added a few adjectives like "embarrassingly wrong"

Fool
 
"Mark" markilsley@dodo.com.au wrote:-


Chase it Kittty ...chase it!

****** Oh dear oh dear!!!

Wotta wanker!!

Brian g
 
I'd disagree with it, only because what you speak isn't true.

Here's one that sold on EBay for only $51.00, a few minutes ago:

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/LIEBERT-UPS-GXT700-Mini-Tower_W0QQitemZ230113036855

If you go to http://gxtwebdemo.liebert.com/ you can see from the simulation
of the GXT series UPS that it regulates, rectifies and inverts the output
24/7. The Bypass is only engaged during battery failure or replacement.

Yup, I'd say that qualifies. Online and near perfect sine wave output.

I would have bid but I don't feel like a drive up to Sydney to get it.

With a bit of patience I'll pick one up for even less. Fact.

But why don't we just pretend this never happened. A convenient <snip> and
it's all forgotten.

"Bob Parker" <bobp.deletethis@bluebottle.com> wrote in message
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On 7/04/2007 15:21 jasen wrote:
On 2007-04-02, Mark <marknospampleaseilsley@dodo.com.au> wrote:
What was wrong with either of these suggestions?

a) Buy another UPS (on Ebay for around $30) and then just step-down the
voltage using my pre-existing wall-wart transformer. If 240 VAC goes in,
something CLOSE to 9 VAC should come out and everything is happy,
..maybe.

good luck finding an online, sine wave, UPS for that price.

A $30 UPS is likely to be modified square wave, and offline, and it'll be
exactly useless for your purpose.

Bye.
Jasen


I thought of telling him that, but I knew he'd disagree because it
wasn't what he wanted to hear, so I didn't.

Bob
 

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