Is it AI or not...

[micky]

No one in popular news talked about AI 6 months ago and all of sudden
it\'s everywhere.

The most recent discussion I heard was about \"using AI to read X-rays
and other medical imaging\".

They have computer programs that will \"look\" at, examine, x-rays etc.
and find medical problems, sometimes ones that the radiologist misses.

So it\'s good if both look them.

But is it AI? Seems to me it one slightly complicated algorith and
comes nowhere close to AI. The Turing test for example.

And that lots of thigns they are calling AI these days are just slightly
or moderately complicated computer programs, black boxes maybe, but not
AI.

What say you?

 

[Peter W.]

> What say you?

Sitting on my fingers....

Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA

 

[Paul]

On 8/10/2023 2:43 PM, micky wrote:

No one in popular news talked about AI 6 months ago and all of sudden
it\'s everywhere.

The most recent discussion I heard was about \"using AI to read X-rays
and other medical imaging\".

They have computer programs that will \"look\" at, examine, x-rays etc.
and find medical problems, sometimes ones that the radiologist misses.

So it\'s good if both look them.

But is it AI? Seems to me it one slightly complicated algorith and
comes nowhere close to AI. The Turing test for example.

And that lots of thigns they are calling AI these days are just slightly
or moderately complicated computer programs, black boxes maybe, but not
AI.

What say you?

A radiologist assistant is not a Large Language Model.

I would expect to some extent, image analysis would be a
\"module\" on an LLM, and not a part of the main bit.

Bare minimum, it\'s a neural network, trained on images,
one at a time, that slosh around and train the neurons.

For example, something like YOLO_5 (You Only Look Once), can
be trained to identify animals in photos. It draws a box around
the presumed animal and names it (or whatever). That uses a lot
less hardware than a Large Language Model, and less storage.
The article had a picture with a bear in it, and indeed, the
bear had a square drawn around it.

But as for whether the \"quality\" is there, that is another
issue entirely. In my opinion, no radiologist would ever trust
something as sketchy as YOLO. Radiologists are very particular
about their jobs, as they hate getting sued. And I can imagine
the look on the judges face when you tell him \"yer honor, I didn\'t
even bother to look at that film, the computer told me there was
nothing there\". Some lawyers recently, learned about what happens
when you \"phone it in\". Professionals are still on the hook for the
whole bolt of goods. The computer isn\'t going to get sued for
\"being stupid\", because it is stupid.

It would take a *lot* of films, to train a radiologist assistant.
Who would have a collection, large enough for the job ? It would be
a violation of privacy law, for a bunch of hospitals to throw all
their films into a big vat, for NN training. It\'s not like crawling
the web and getting access to content that way.

While a lot of individuals and their jobs can be replaced,
the radiologist will be \"the last to go\". Regular doctors are
quite dependent on the radiologist taking the fall for mis-diagnosis.
The doctors would be scared shirtless, if the professional that
\"has my back\" was as stupid as a computer. The doctors would quit.
Doctors do not read films. They say stuff like \"the radiologists
report says you have tits\". And you can then take that to the bank.
They don\'t use their knowledge of Grays Anatomy to figure that out.
They identify the radiologist as the source of the information.
The radiologist is their \"God\".

Paul

 

[server]

On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 14:43:42 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
wrote:

No one in popular news talked about AI 6 months ago and all of sudden
it\'s everywhere.

The most recent discussion I heard was about \"using AI to read X-rays
and other medical imaging\".

They have computer programs that will \"look\" at, examine, x-rays etc.
and find medical problems, sometimes ones that the radiologist misses.

So it\'s good if both look them.

But is it AI? Seems to me it one slightly complicated algorith and
comes nowhere close to AI. The Turing test for example.

And that lots of thigns they are calling AI these days are just slightly
or moderately complicated computer programs, black boxes maybe, but not
AI.

What say you?

Personally, I\'m sick of ths AI crap which seems to exist only in the
minds of the tech idiots. When it devolves into the lives of us
common dummies, I\'ll worry about it then.

 

[ohg...@gmail.com]

On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 2:43:50 PM UTC-4, micky wrote:

No one in popular news talked about AI 6 months ago and all of sudden
it\'s everywhere.

The most recent discussion I heard was about \"using AI to read X-rays
and other medical imaging\".

They have computer programs that will \"look\" at, examine, x-rays etc.
and find medical problems, sometimes ones that the radiologist misses.

So it\'s good if both look them.

But is it AI? Seems to me it one slightly complicated algorith and
comes nowhere close to AI. The Turing test for example.

And that lots of thigns they are calling AI these days are just slightly
or moderately complicated computer programs, black boxes maybe, but not
AI.

What say you?

I think it\'s a matter of definition. Unless and until an \"AI\" becomes self aware, it\'s not AI.

 

[Dennis Kane]

When it devolves into the lives of us
common dummies, I\'ll worry about it then.

By that time, it may be too late.

 

[Cindy Hamilton]

On 2023-08-10, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

No one in popular news talked about AI 6 months ago and all of sudden
it\'s everywhere.

I promise you, people in the programming business have been talking
about it for a long while.

The most recent discussion I heard was about \"using AI to read X-rays
and other medical imaging\".

They have computer programs that will \"look\" at, examine, x-rays etc.
and find medical problems, sometimes ones that the radiologist misses.

So it\'s good if both look them.

But is it AI? Seems to me it one slightly complicated algorith and
comes nowhere close to AI. The Turing test for example.

An AI doesn\'t need to pass the Turing test to be considered an AI.

And that lots of thigns they are calling AI these days are just slightly
or moderately complicated computer programs, black boxes maybe, but not
AI.

What say you?

Here. This will get you started:

https://www.techtarget.com/searchenterpriseai/definition/AI-Artificial-Intelligence

--
Cindy Hamilton

 

[Cindy Hamilton]

On 2023-08-10, tracy@invalid.com <tracy@invalid.com> wrote:

On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 14:43:42 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com
wrote:

No one in popular news talked about AI 6 months ago and all of sudden
it\'s everywhere.

The most recent discussion I heard was about \"using AI to read X-rays
and other medical imaging\".

They have computer programs that will \"look\" at, examine, x-rays etc.
and find medical problems, sometimes ones that the radiologist misses.

So it\'s good if both look them.

But is it AI? Seems to me it one slightly complicated algorith and
comes nowhere close to AI. The Turing test for example.

And that lots of thigns they are calling AI these days are just slightly
or moderately complicated computer programs, black boxes maybe, but not
AI.

What say you?

Personally, I\'m sick of ths AI crap which seems to exist only in the
minds of the tech idiots. When it devolves into the lives of us
common dummies, I\'ll worry about it then.

My next mammogram might be analyzed by an AI in addition to a human being.
https://nyulangone.org/news/node/24633

--
Cindy Hamilton

 

[Scott Lurndal]

Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> writes:

On 2023-08-10, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
No one in popular news talked about AI 6 months ago and all of sudden
it\'s everywhere.

I promise you, people in the programming business have been talking
about it for a long while.

The most recent discussion I heard was about \"using AI to read X-rays
and other medical imaging\".

They have computer programs that will \"look\" at, examine, x-rays etc.
and find medical problems, sometimes ones that the radiologist misses.

So it\'s good if both look them.

But is it AI? Seems to me it one slightly complicated algorith and
comes nowhere close to AI. The Turing test for example.

An AI doesn\'t need to pass the Turing test to be considered an AI.

And that lots of thigns they are calling AI these days are just slightly
or moderately complicated computer programs, black boxes maybe, but not
AI.

What say you?

Here. This will get you started:

https://www.techtarget.com/searchenterpriseai/definition/AI-Artificial-Intelligence

The term \"AI\" has been misused by media and most non-computer scientists. The
current crop \"AI\" tools (e.g. chatGPT) are not artificial intelligence, but
rather simple statistical algorithms based on a huge volume of pre-processed
data.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_language_model

\"As language models, they work by taking an input text and repeatedly
predicting the next token or word\"

Which leads to

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_agent

 

[micky]

In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 10 Aug 2023 21:03:48 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
<hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-08-10, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
No one in popular news talked about AI 6 months ago and all of sudden
it\'s everywhere.

I promise you, people in the programming business have been talking
about it for a long while.

That\'s why I said \"popular\", to exclude that sort of thing.

The most recent discussion I heard was about \"using AI to read X-rays
and other medical imaging\".

They have computer programs that will \"look\" at, examine, x-rays etc.
and find medical problems, sometimes ones that the radiologist misses.

So it\'s good if both look them.

But is it AI? Seems to me it one slightly complicated algorith and
comes nowhere close to AI. The Turing test for example.

An AI doesn\'t need to pass the Turing test to be considered an AI.

Okay, but doesn\'t it have to be more than a single purpose algorithm?
Otherwise, cars have had AI since computerized fuel injection, but
nobody called it that.

And that lots of thigns they are calling AI these days are just slightly
or moderately complicated computer programs, black boxes maybe, but not
AI.

What say you?

Here. This will get you started:

https://www.techtarget.com/searchenterpriseai/definition/AI-Artificial-Intelligence

 

[server]

On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 21:07:57 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
<hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-08-10, tracy@invalid.com <tracy@invalid.com> wrote:
On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 14:43:42 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com
wrote:

No one in popular news talked about AI 6 months ago and all of sudden
it\'s everywhere.

The most recent discussion I heard was about \"using AI to read X-rays
and other medical imaging\".

They have computer programs that will \"look\" at, examine, x-rays etc.
and find medical problems, sometimes ones that the radiologist misses.

So it\'s good if both look them.

But is it AI? Seems to me it one slightly complicated algorith and
comes nowhere close to AI. The Turing test for example.

And that lots of thigns they are calling AI these days are just slightly
or moderately complicated computer programs, black boxes maybe, but not
AI.

What say you?

Personally, I\'m sick of ths AI crap which seems to exist only in the
minds of the tech idiots. When it devolves into the lives of us
common dummies, I\'ll worry about it then.

My next mammogram might be analyzed by an AI in addition to a human being.
https://nyulangone.org/news/node/24633

So they use in in conjunction with AI. Why do I need to know that? I
don\'t know squat about any medical test. I don\'t have to. If they
want to use AI to bake bread, what difference does that make to me?

I\'m sick of reading about this AI crap. I don\'t need to know where
it\'s being used.

 

[server]

On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 21:08:29 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> writes:
On 2023-08-10, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
No one in popular news talked about AI 6 months ago and all of sudden
it\'s everywhere.

I promise you, people in the programming business have been talking
about it for a long while.

The most recent discussion I heard was about \"using AI to read X-rays
and other medical imaging\".

They have computer programs that will \"look\" at, examine, x-rays etc.
and find medical problems, sometimes ones that the radiologist misses.

So it\'s good if both look them.

But is it AI? Seems to me it one slightly complicated algorith and
comes nowhere close to AI. The Turing test for example.

An AI doesn\'t need to pass the Turing test to be considered an AI.

And that lots of thigns they are calling AI these days are just slightly
or moderately complicated computer programs, black boxes maybe, but not
AI.

What say you?

Here. This will get you started:

https://www.techtarget.com/searchenterpriseai/definition/AI-Artificial-Intelligence

The term \"AI\" has been misused by media and most non-computer scientists. The
current crop \"AI\" tools (e.g. chatGPT) are not artificial intelligence, but
rather simple statistical algorithms based on a huge volume of pre-processed
data.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_language_model

\"As language models, they work by taking an input text and repeatedly
predicting the next token or word\"

Which leads to

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_agent

That\'s exactly what I thought. Yet these ignoramuses who hardly
understand the Web software they use everyday keep burping about this
AI stuff when they probably would fail at learning Basic.

 

[server]

On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 17:23:57 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 10 Aug 2023 21:03:48 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-08-10, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
No one in popular news talked about AI 6 months ago and all of sudden
it\'s everywhere.

I promise you, people in the programming business have been talking
about it for a long while.

That\'s why I said \"popular\", to exclude that sort of thing.

The most recent discussion I heard was about \"using AI to read X-rays
and other medical imaging\".

They have computer programs that will \"look\" at, examine, x-rays etc.
and find medical problems, sometimes ones that the radiologist misses.

So it\'s good if both look them.

But is it AI? Seems to me it one slightly complicated algorith and
comes nowhere close to AI. The Turing test for example.

An AI doesn\'t need to pass the Turing test to be considered an AI.

Okay, but doesn\'t it have to be more than a single purpose algorithm?
Otherwise, cars have had AI since computerized fuel injection, but
nobody called it that.

Good Lawd! Next It\'ll be our turn signals that are AI
Intuitive...Jeesh!

(I\'m just about at the point where this AI nonsense is going to end up
in my Plonk! file.)

 

[server]

On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 13:42:11 -0700, Dennis Kane <dkane@mail.com>
wrote:

When it devolves into the lives of us
common dummies, I\'ll worry about it then.

By that time, it may be too late.

Oh, I think it will be a while before they come up with the Killer
Robots.

 

[Big Al]

On 8/10/23 17:42, this is what tracy@invalid.com wrote:

On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 21:07:57 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-08-10, tracy@invalid.com <tracy@invalid.com> wrote:
On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 14:43:42 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com
wrote:

No one in popular news talked about AI 6 months ago and all of sudden
it\'s everywhere.

The most recent discussion I heard was about \"using AI to read X-rays
and other medical imaging\".

They have computer programs that will \"look\" at, examine, x-rays etc.
and find medical problems, sometimes ones that the radiologist misses.

So it\'s good if both look them.

But is it AI? Seems to me it one slightly complicated algorith and
comes nowhere close to AI. The Turing test for example.

And that lots of thigns they are calling AI these days are just slightly
or moderately complicated computer programs, black boxes maybe, but not
AI.

What say you?

Personally, I\'m sick of ths AI crap which seems to exist only in the
minds of the tech idiots. When it devolves into the lives of us
common dummies, I\'ll worry about it then.

My next mammogram might be analyzed by an AI in addition to a human being.
https://nyulangone.org/news/node/24633

So they use in in conjunction with AI. Why do I need to know that? I
don\'t know squat about any medical test. I don\'t have to. If they
want to use AI to bake bread, what difference does that make to me?

I\'m sick of reading about this AI crap. I don\'t need to know where
it\'s being used.

It sells. That\'s all radio and TV first think about.
--
Linux Mint 21.1 Cinnamon 5.6.8
Al

 

[Cindy Hamilton]

On 2023-08-10, tracy@invalid.com <tracy@invalid.com> wrote:

On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 21:07:57 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-08-10, tracy@invalid.com <tracy@invalid.com> wrote:
On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 14:43:42 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com
wrote:

No one in popular news talked about AI 6 months ago and all of sudden
it\'s everywhere.

The most recent discussion I heard was about \"using AI to read X-rays
and other medical imaging\".

They have computer programs that will \"look\" at, examine, x-rays etc.
and find medical problems, sometimes ones that the radiologist misses.

So it\'s good if both look them.

But is it AI? Seems to me it one slightly complicated algorith and
comes nowhere close to AI. The Turing test for example.

And that lots of thigns they are calling AI these days are just slightly
or moderately complicated computer programs, black boxes maybe, but not
AI.

What say you?

Personally, I\'m sick of ths AI crap which seems to exist only in the
minds of the tech idiots. When it devolves into the lives of us
common dummies, I\'ll worry about it then.

My next mammogram might be analyzed by an AI in addition to a human being.
https://nyulangone.org/news/node/24633

So they use in in conjunction with AI. Why do I need to know that? I
don\'t know squat about any medical test. I don\'t have to. If they
want to use AI to bake bread, what difference does that make to me?

I don\'t know. Why don\'t you tell us.

I\'m sick of reading about this AI crap. I don\'t need to know where
it\'s being used.

Perhaps not. I think it\'s better to know than not know.

--
Cindy Hamilton

 

[server]

On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 21:03:48 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
<hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-08-10, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
No one in popular news talked about AI 6 months ago and all of sudden
it\'s everywhere.

I promise you, people in the programming business have been talking
about it for a long while.

The most recent discussion I heard was about \"using AI to read X-rays
and other medical imaging\".

They have computer programs that will \"look\" at, examine, x-rays etc.
and find medical problems, sometimes ones that the radiologist misses.

So it\'s good if both look them.

But is it AI? Seems to me it one slightly complicated algorith and
comes nowhere close to AI. The Turing test for example.

An AI doesn\'t need to pass the Turing test to be considered an AI.

And that lots of thigns they are calling AI these days are just slightly
or moderately complicated computer programs, black boxes maybe, but not
AI.

What say you?

Here. This will get you started:

https://www.techtarget.com/searchenterpriseai/definition/AI-Artificial-Intelligence

More amorphous defintions of AI.

Here is a post made by someone else that I copied a while back which
makes sense to me.
---------------------------
Subject: The Reality of The Bullshit of Quantum Comps Breaking PGP

https://techbeacon.com/security/newest-quantum-breakthrough-encryption-killer

Just a few bits from the article about Quantum hype.

\"Building a universal quantum computer, one that can perform
essentially any computation, is an extremely challenging technical
problem. We\'re far from having solved it.\"

\"To crack a 2,048-bit RSA key, such as the ones that today\'s standards
require, a quantum computer will need at least a register of 2,048
entangled qubits. That\'s far from what\'s available today. And it seems
very unlikely that the current rate of progress in creating more
entanglement will make it possible in the next several years.\"

\"For now, it seems hard to justify worrying about your encryption
becoming vulnerable to adversaries with quantum computers. It seems
very likely that NIST\'s effort to standardize encryption algorithms
that are quantum-safe will be completed and widely deployed well
before quantum computers are a serious threat to security.\"

 

[server]

On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 17:06:43 -0500, maury!@Help!.com wrote:

On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 21:03:48 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-08-10, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
No one in popular news talked about AI 6 months ago and all of sudden
it\'s everywhere.

I promise you, people in the programming business have been talking
about it for a long while.

The most recent discussion I heard was about \"using AI to read X-rays
and other medical imaging\".

They have computer programs that will \"look\" at, examine, x-rays etc.
and find medical problems, sometimes ones that the radiologist misses.

So it\'s good if both look them.

But is it AI? Seems to me it one slightly complicated algorith and
comes nowhere close to AI. The Turing test for example.

An AI doesn\'t need to pass the Turing test to be considered an AI.

And that lots of thigns they are calling AI these days are just slightly
or moderately complicated computer programs, black boxes maybe, but not
AI.

What say you?

Here. This will get you started:

https://www.techtarget.com/searchenterpriseai/definition/AI-Artificial-Intelligence

More amorphous defintions of AI.

Here is a post made by someone else that I copied a while back which
makes sense to me.
---------------------------
Subject: The Reality of The Bullshit of Quantum Comps Breaking PGP

https://techbeacon.com/security/newest-quantum-breakthrough-encryption-killer

Just a few bits from the article about Quantum hype.

\"Building a universal quantum computer, one that can perform
essentially any computation, is an extremely challenging technical
problem. We\'re far from having solved it.\"

\"To crack a 2,048-bit RSA key, such as the ones that today\'s standards
require, a quantum computer will need at least a register of 2,048
entangled qubits. That\'s far from what\'s available today. And it seems
very unlikely that the current rate of progress in creating more
entanglement will make it possible in the next several years.\"

\"For now, it seems hard to justify worrying about your encryption
becoming vulnerable to adversaries with quantum computers. It seems
very likely that NIST\'s effort to standardize encryption algorithms
that are quantum-safe will be completed and widely deployed well
before quantum computers are a serious threat to security.\"

Amen.

(Now everyone shut the F/Up \'bout AI, Dammit!)

 

[server]

On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 21:03:48 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
<hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-08-10, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
No one in popular news talked about AI 6 months ago and all of sudden
it\'s everywhere.

I promise you, people in the programming business have been talking
about it for a long while.

The most recent discussion I heard was about \"using AI to read X-rays
and other medical imaging\".

They have computer programs that will \"look\" at, examine, x-rays etc.
and find medical problems, sometimes ones that the radiologist misses.

So it\'s good if both look them.

But is it AI? Seems to me it one slightly complicated algorith and
comes nowhere close to AI. The Turing test for example.

An AI doesn\'t need to pass the Turing test to be considered an AI.

From Wikipedia:
\"The Turing test, originally called the imitation game by Alan Turing
in 1950, is a test of a machine\'s ability to exhibit intelligent
behaviour equivalent to, or indistinguishable from, that of a human.\"

Of what good is AI if the product of it is dumber than a human?

One of your dumb Killer Robots would be dead meat after its first
kill.

That\'s progress? We have cities run by Dumbocrats with human non-AI
killers who are getting away with more killings than the combined
number committed in our war zones over the past 30-40 years.

So, how dangerous can AI really be?

 

[rbowman]

On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 14:55:10 -0500, tracy wrote:

Personally, I\'m sick of ths AI crap which seems to exist only in the
minds of the tech idiots. When it devolves into the lives of us common
dummies, I\'ll worry about it then.

Already there:

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/ai-powered-litterbox-system-
offers-new-standard-of-care-for-cat-owners-301632491.html

\"Using artificial intelligence developed by a team of Purina pet and data
experts, the Petivity Smart Litterbox System detects meaningful changes
that indicate health conditions that may require a veterinarian\'s
attention or diagnosis. The monitor, which users are instructed to place
under each litterbox in the household, gathers precise data on each cat\'s
weight and important litterbox habits to help owners be proactive about
their pet\'s health.\"