Intel rejects Vista, will stay with XP and wait for windows7

[atec77]

son of a bitch wrote:

atec77 wrote:
son of a bitch wrote:
terryc wrote:
On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:34:35 +1000, Mr.T wrote:

"atec77" <atec77NOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:g41kq6$ta7$4@aioe.org...
time will tell but it looks like the woinblows death grip is becoming
much looser
Pity there is still FAR more software applications available for
Windows,
than for Unix though.

Lol, you really should start looking around.
*nix far outnumber MS offerings these days.

Of course if you just want email and office apps, or are prepared
to write
your own programs, then using WinBlows is a waste of money.

Exactly and that describes most office PCs; mail, and word processing.



I would like you to try and convince any Large Corp, they should
abandon M$ Office and use either Star/Open Office.
Even though it's 1/4 the cost of M$'s, I reckon you've got buckleys.
And again, nobody wants to start retraining staff, or finding staff
with Star Office skills already.


You have little real world corp experience it seems

Wrong.

I've worked for Banks, Telstra and Government that should qualify.
many of the decisions in those campanies is clueless .. wont bore with

how I know but ti]s all to common

But back in the old days....
Ah when I was at the coal face
Trying to Convince Management to ween of Word Perfect,OS/2
It's wasn't until the "Under New Management" was hanging on those
companies before they even thought about changing.
and the chose a pup

The Larger the company, the more heads are involved and change
is very difficult.
depends if public or private

 

[Mr.T]

"terryc" <newssixspam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote in message
newsan.2008.06.27.05.23.05.370801@woa.com.au...

Of course if you just want email and office apps, or are prepared to
write
your own programs, then using WinBlows is a waste of money.

Exactly and that describes most office PCs; mail, and word processing.

That's the point, NOT everyone just wants that. PC's are used for far more
these days.

MrT.

 

[Mr.T]

"son of a bitch" <bitch@gripes.com.au.org.ml.gov> wrote in message
news:48649e19$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au...

Somebody would have to convince me there is NO Hardware Compatibility
Issues and Users do not need re-training to do the same job they
did yesterday. Can you assure me?

In the business world there is no shortage of people willing to make such
assurances, as long as THEY don't have to pay for their mistakes of course!

MrT.

 

[son of a bitch]

Mr.T wrote:

"son of a bitch" <bitch@gripes.com.au.org.ml.gov> wrote in message
news:48649e19$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
Somebody would have to convince me there is NO Hardware Compatibility
Issues and Users do not need re-training to do the same job they
did yesterday. Can you assure me?

In the business world there is no shortage of people willing to make such
assurances, as long as THEY don't have to pay for their mistakes of course!

MrT.

Exactly, so if you the Boss of IT are you willing to put
you jewels on the Block and say everything will work out
just peachy.

 

[terryc]

On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 18:00:26 +1000, son of a bitch wrote:

Somebody would have to convince me there is NO Hardware Compatibility
Issues and Users do not need re-training to do the same job they
did yesterday. Can you assure me?

Which OS version has NEVER had that problem?

with *nix, so long as the hardware follows common standards, then there is
no problem. OTOH, there is crap like nVidia.

A wise business has standardised hardware anyway, so it is simply a matter
of testing that the standard hardware works, which they will do with every
OS version update.

OTOH, there is management. Nuff said.

 

[terryc]

On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 11:35:53 +1000, Mr.T wrote:

In the business world there is no shortage of people willing to make such
assurances, as long as THEY don't have to pay for their mistakes of course!

Lol, as the old Franklins found out.

 

[terryc]

On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 18:37:12 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:

Well, if people purchased printers that worked to standard
formats, then there is bugger all problem with printers.

Pity about the real world where the vast bulk of printers arent like that anymore.

Well, there is Maccas and real food too.

older than 3 years will definitely be a problem.

Exactly what is the problem?
Linux will handle older software quite easily.

Nice theory, pity about the real world.

Is this the same realworld where I retired at age 50 from implementing
such solutions and you had to keep on workng beyond that age?

Stick to commenting on what you know Roddles.


>

 

[terryc]

On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 11:31:30 +1000, Mr.T wrote:

"terryc" <newssixspam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote in message
newsan.2008.06.27.05.23.05.370801@woa.com.au...
Of course if you just want email and office apps, or are prepared to
write
your own programs, then using WinBlows is a waste of money.

Exactly and that describes most office PCs; mail, and word processing.

That's the point, NOT everyone just wants that. PC's are used for far more
these days.

Okay, i forgotto mention "client" software for some server.
Horses for courses. Not every business PC needs to run every piece of
software within the business.

As a contractor, I just loved those contracts where there was no
firm control on who ran what software. "Just how many hours are you
prepared to pay me to spend investigating the bugs in a downloaded screen
saver that is crashing all the office PCs?"

 

[terryc]

On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 20:47:00 +1000, son of a bitch wrote:

But back in the old days....
Trying to Convince Management to ween of Word Perfect,OS/2

Why is the blue blazes would any sane company have moved from WP or Os/2?

Both were exceedingly good, solid products.

>

 

[Rod Speed]

terryc <newssixspam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote

son of a bitch wrote

But back in the old days....
Trying to Convince Management to ween of Word Perfect,OS/2

Why is the blue blazes would any sane company have moved from WP or Os/2?

Because the world moved on.

Both were exceedingly good, solid products.

But both had passed their useby date.

 

[Rod Speed]

terryc <newssixspam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote

Rod Speed wrote

Well, if people purchased printers that worked to standard
formats, then there is bugger all problem with printers.

Pity about the real world where the vast bulk of printers arent like that anymore.

Well, there is Maccas and real food too.

The printers you are stupid enough to hold your nose about work fine.

older than 3 years will definitely be a problem.

Exactly what is the problem?
Linux will handle older software quite easily.

Nice theory, pity about the real world.

Is this the same realworld where I retired at age 50 from implementing
such solutions and you had to keep on workng beyond that age?

Just another of your pathetic little pig ignorant fantasyland, child.

Stick to commenting on what you know Roddles.

Know a hell of a lot more about it than you do thanks, fuckwit.

 

[Rod Speed]

terryc <newssixspam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote

son of a bitch wrote

Somebody would have to convince me there is NO Hardware
Compatibility Issues and Users do not need re-training to do
the same job they did yesterday. Can you assure me?

Which OS version has NEVER had that problem?

with *nix, so long as the hardware follows common standards,

Which fuck all of them bother to do.

then there is no problem. OTOH, there is crap like nVidia.

And pathetic excuses for OSs that cant handle the mass market hardware.

A wise business has standardised hardware anyway,

Nice theory, pity about the real world.

so it is simply a matter of testing that the standard hardware
works, which they will do with every OS version update.

Nice theory, pity about the real world.

OTOH, there is management. Nuff said.

Any clown that cant work out how to operate with the current
management deserves the bums rush it will most certainly get.

 

[atec77]

Rod Speed wrote:

But both had passed their useby date.
applicable to you in the extreme woddles eh wot ?

 

[son of a bitch]

terryc wrote:

On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 20:47:00 +1000, son of a bitch wrote:

But back in the old days....
Trying to Convince Management to ween of Word Perfect,OS/2

Why is the blue blazes would any sane company have moved from WP or Os/2?

Both were exceedingly good, solid products.

OS/2 made by IBM, IBM is hopeless at writing code
Biggest downfall, again software support for Devices.

WP, what else can you say. The world moved onto GUI's and
WP was still in DOS Mode, their Windows incantation was a
complete flop. It was sold more times than used car.

 

[atec77]

son of a bitch wrote:

terryc wrote:
On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 20:47:00 +1000, son of a bitch wrote:

But back in the old days....
Trying to Convince Management to ween of Word Perfect,OS/2

Why is the blue blazes would any sane company have moved from WP or Os/2?

Both were exceedingly good, solid products.


OS/2 made by IBM, IBM is hopeless at writing code
Oh Dear
Biggest downfall, again software support for Devices.
oops

WP, what else can you say. The world moved onto GUI's and
WP was still in DOS Mode, their Windows incantation was a
complete flop. It was sold more times than used car.
you certainly have a short memory , although maybe you were not in the

industry many years ago as some of were...
>

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

terryc wrote:

On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 20:47:00 +1000, son of a bitch wrote:

But back in the old days....
Trying to Convince Management to ween of Word Perfect,OS/2

Why is the blue blazes would any sane company have moved from WP or Os/2?

Both were exceedingly good, solid products.

They moved from WP because their customers couldn't open the files. One
engineer at a company I worked for refused to use the company standard
word processing software, so they told him to switch, or he was fired.
Everything he did had to be retyped, because the old DOS 286 computer he
used was the only computer that had that program. Finally, the IT
department took it and reformatted the hard drive to force him to use
the current win 95 networked computer he already had in his office. When
he complained, he was told there was no record of that computer in their
inventory, and they needed parts to repair a computer on the production
floor.


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[Eeyore]

"Mr.T" wrote:

"terryc" <newssixspam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote

Of course if you just want email and office apps, or are prepared to
write your own programs, then using WinBlows is a waste of money.

Exactly and that describes most office PCs; mail, and word processing.

That's the point, NOT everyone just wants that. PC's are used for far more
these days.

There's some good scientific applications like CAD on linux these days and you
have save thousands if not tens of thousands of bucks by using them.

Graham

 

[terryc]

On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 11:52:59 -0400, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

terryc wrote:

On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 20:47:00 +1000, son of a bitch wrote:

But back in the old days....
Trying to Convince Management to ween of Word Perfect,OS/2

Why is the blue blazes would any sane company have moved from WP or Os/2?

Both were exceedingly good, solid products.

They moved from WP because their customers couldn't open the files.

Aaah yes, the MS word treadmill where you had to have the latest copy of
MS Word because some stupid customer had upgraded. Still didn't get you
out of the incompatibility between different MS Word versions.

as One
engineer at a company I worked for refused to use the company standard
word processing software, so they told him to switch, or he was fired.

I only ever fell for that line (or variations) once. From then on in, I
always answered "okay, I'm off". You should have seen the back pedalling.
Never withdrew either. also loved the "naah, can't be arsed doing that,
I'm outta here in X days". Sigh, the benefit of putting all your "super"
into paying off your home mortgage.

Everything he did had to be retyped,

That is pure incompetece by the IT dept (export, import). Too many are
power game places rather than company support places.

 

[terryc]

On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 00:53:22 +1000, son of a bitch wrote:

terryc wrote:
On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 20:47:00 +1000, son of a bitch wrote:

But back in the old days....
Trying to Convince Management to ween of Word Perfect,OS/2

Why is the blue blazes would any sane company have moved from WP or Os/2?

Both were exceedingly good, solid products.


OS/2 made by IBM, IBM is hopeless at writing code

Really? you do know who wrote all the initial MS offerings(after
MSDos)? Good enough for MS for quite a few years.

Biggest downfall, again software support for Devices.

No, its biggest downfall was that every driver had to be loaded in
exactly the correct way and order, otherwise it didn't work and other
things broke. Once someone worked it out and shared it, you were sweet. It
was rock solid then.

As to networking, it did everything (ipx,tcpip,netbeu/netbios) at the same
time when MSWin could manage one or two protocols at best.

IMO, the other problem was that they didn't support home users, so it
didn't have the unpaid salesforce promoting it.

WP, what else can you say. The world moved onto GUI's and WP was still
in DOS Mode, their Windows incantation was a complete flop. It was sold
more times than used car.

Err, what was a flop?
WP productivity still outperforms MSWord

 

[Rod Speed]

terryc <newssixspam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote

son of a bitch wrote
terryc wrote
son of a bitch wrote

But back in the old days....
Trying to Convince Management to ween of Word Perfect,OS/2

Why is the blue blazes would any sane company have moved from WP or Os/2?

Both were exceedingly good, solid products.

OS/2 made by IBM, IBM is hopeless at writing code

Really? you do know who wrote all the initial MS offerings(after MSDos)?

Wasnt IBM.

Good enough for MS for quite a few years.

They did in fact produce OS/2 1.0

Biggest downfall, again software support for Devices.

No, its biggest downfall was that every driver had to be loaded in exactly
the correct way and order, otherwise it didn't work and other things broke.

Mindlessly silly.

Once someone worked it out and shared it, you were sweet. It was rock solid then.

Only in your pathetic little pig ignorant fantasyland.

As to networking, it did everything (ipx,tcpip,netbeu/netbios) at the
same time when MSWin could manage one or two protocols at best.

Only in your pathetic little pig ignorant fantasyland.

IMO, the other problem was that they didn't support home
users, so it didn't have the unpaid salesforce promoting it.

Corse it did.

WP, what else can you say. The world moved onto GUI's
and WP was still in DOS Mode, their Windows incantation
was a complete flop. It was sold more times than used car.

Err, what was a flop?
WP productivity still outperforms MSWord

Only in your pathetic little pig ignorant fantasyland.