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josephkk
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On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 06:31:19 -0800 (PST), mrstarbom@gmail.com wrote:
?-)
Target approved, bomb away.
?-)
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Michael A. Terrell
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Joerg wrote:
So, hell really can freeze over.
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So, hell really can freeze over.
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Raveninghorde
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On Sat, 04 Feb 2012 14:35:40 -0800, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
Cold enough here that watefalls have frozen
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16892848
Ice skating in the fens in Eastern England and -22C reported in the
Netherlands.
wrote:
Cold enough here that watefalls have frozen
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16892848
Ice skating in the fens in Eastern England and -22C reported in the
Netherlands.
J
John Larkin
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On Sun, 05 Feb 2012 18:36:08 +0000, Raveninghorde
<raveninghorde@invalid> wrote:
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<raveninghorde@invalid> wrote:
Good grief. Cold kills.
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Phil Hobbs
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John Larkin wrote:
We've had an Indian summer that lasted all the way through January. The
last couple of nights it's been about freezing, but we've hardly had a
frost all winter. On Groundhog Day, everyone was saying that they
didn't care if ol' Punxsutawney Phil saw his shadow or not, because
another 6 weeks of _this_ winter would be no big hardship.
Folks elsewhere that aren't used to it are having a bad time, though.
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
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hobbs at electrooptical dot net
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Well, as the old saw says, it's an ill wind that blows nobody good.
We've had an Indian summer that lasted all the way through January. The
last couple of nights it's been about freezing, but we've hardly had a
frost all winter. On Groundhog Day, everyone was saying that they
didn't care if ol' Punxsutawney Phil saw his shadow or not, because
another 6 weeks of _this_ winter would be no big hardship.
Folks elsewhere that aren't used to it are having a bad time, though.
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
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Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
160 North State Road #203
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510
845-480-2058
hobbs at electrooptical dot net
http://electrooptical.net
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John Larkin
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On Sun, 05 Feb 2012 15:19:57 -0500, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
and dry so far this winter. That's nice for walking and gardening, but
bad for skiing and for the water supply.
If you were to (somehow) plot mean human welfare against mean
planetary temperature, I'd guess we're currently located at an
up-slope, wild guess +5% per degree C.
--
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www.highlandtechnology.com jlarkin at highlandtechnology dot com
Precision electronic instrumentation
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<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
It's been balmy and sunny in San Francisco this week, and overall warmJohn Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 05 Feb 2012 18:36:08 +0000, Raveninghorde
raveninghorde@invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 04 Feb 2012 14:35:40 -0800, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid
wrote:
amdx wrote:
Met Office releases new figures which show no warming in 15 years
Met = UK's National Weather Service
Some of the rivers are already in the process of freezing over:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/object/article?f=/n/a/2012/02/03/international/i055420S51.DTL
[...]
Cold enough here that watefalls have frozen
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16892848
Ice skating in the fens in Eastern England and -22C reported in the
Netherlands.
Good grief. Cold kills.
Well, as the old saw says, it's an ill wind that blows nobody good.
We've had an Indian summer that lasted all the way through January. The
last couple of nights it's been about freezing, but we've hardly had a
frost all winter. On Groundhog Day, everyone was saying that they
didn't care if ol' Punxsutawney Phil saw his shadow or not, because
another 6 weeks of _this_ winter would be no big hardship.
Folks elsewhere that aren't used to it are having a bad time, though.
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
and dry so far this winter. That's nice for walking and gardening, but
bad for skiing and for the water supply.
If you were to (somehow) plot mean human welfare against mean
planetary temperature, I'd guess we're currently located at an
up-slope, wild guess +5% per degree C.
--
John Larkin, President Highland Technology Inc
www.highlandtechnology.com jlarkin at highlandtechnology dot com
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Winston
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John Larkin wrote:
(...)
The meanest humans I know are doing much better
than average.
--Winston<-- The meaner the better, too.
(...)
I'm sure you are right.
The meanest humans I know are doing much better
than average.
--Winston<-- The meaner the better, too.
J
John Devereux
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John Larkin <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> writes:
--
John Devereux
Now plot it against local temperature.On Sun, 05 Feb 2012 15:19:57 -0500, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 05 Feb 2012 18:36:08 +0000, Raveninghorde
raveninghorde@invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 04 Feb 2012 14:35:40 -0800, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid
wrote:
amdx wrote:
Met Office releases new figures which show no warming in 15 years
Met = UK's National Weather Service
Some of the rivers are already in the process of freezing over:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/object/article?f=/n/a/2012/02/03/international/i055420S51.DTL
[...]
Cold enough here that watefalls have frozen
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16892848
Ice skating in the fens in Eastern England and -22C reported in the
Netherlands.
Good grief. Cold kills.
Well, as the old saw says, it's an ill wind that blows nobody good.
We've had an Indian summer that lasted all the way through January. The
last couple of nights it's been about freezing, but we've hardly had a
frost all winter. On Groundhog Day, everyone was saying that they
didn't care if ol' Punxsutawney Phil saw his shadow or not, because
another 6 weeks of _this_ winter would be no big hardship.
Folks elsewhere that aren't used to it are having a bad time, though.
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
It's been balmy and sunny in San Francisco this week, and overall warm
and dry so far this winter. That's nice for walking and gardening, but
bad for skiing and for the water supply.
If you were to (somehow) plot mean human welfare against mean
planetary temperature, I'd guess we're currently located at an
up-slope, wild guess +5% per degree C.
--
John Devereux
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Glenn
Guest
On 30/01/12 15.39, amdx wrote:
You simply has to read this article:
The heat period (1937-1947) variability and extreme weather "drowns"
compared to the weather the last 10-15 years! (see among others figure
5, 7 in the article):
10 November 2011, Climate Variability and Climate Change: The New
Climate Dice:
http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/mailings/2011/20111110_NewClimateDice.pdf
And GW do not exclude severe winters:
Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research (2010, November 17).
Global warming could cool down northern temperatures in winter.
ScienceDaily:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/11/101117114028.htm
Citat: "...
"Recent severe winters like last year's or the one of 2005-06 do not
conflict with the global warming picture, but rather supplement it."
....
Warming of the air over the Barents-Kara Sea seems to bring cold winter
winds to Europe. "This is not what one would expect," Petoukhov says.
"Whoever thinks that the shrinking of some far away sea-ice won't bother
him could be wrong. There are complex teleconnections in the climate
system, and in the Barents-Kara Sea we might have discovered a powerful
feedback mechanism."
...."
Compare this to the "tiny" GW. Comparison between 2000-2010 with
1937-1947 hot period - earth middle temperature has risen 0.44°C
compared to the 1937-1947 hot period:
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/do_nmap.py?year_last=2010&month_last=12&sat=4&sst=1&type=anoms&mean_gen=1212&year1=2000&year2=2010&base1=1937&base2=1947&radius=1200&pol=reg
/Glenn
Hi!
You simply has to read this article:
The heat period (1937-1947) variability and extreme weather "drowns"
compared to the weather the last 10-15 years! (see among others figure
5, 7 in the article):
10 November 2011, Climate Variability and Climate Change: The New
Climate Dice:
http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/mailings/2011/20111110_NewClimateDice.pdf
And GW do not exclude severe winters:
Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research (2010, November 17).
Global warming could cool down northern temperatures in winter.
ScienceDaily:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/11/101117114028.htm
Citat: "...
"Recent severe winters like last year's or the one of 2005-06 do not
conflict with the global warming picture, but rather supplement it."
....
Warming of the air over the Barents-Kara Sea seems to bring cold winter
winds to Europe. "This is not what one would expect," Petoukhov says.
"Whoever thinks that the shrinking of some far away sea-ice won't bother
him could be wrong. There are complex teleconnections in the climate
system, and in the Barents-Kara Sea we might have discovered a powerful
feedback mechanism."
...."
Compare this to the "tiny" GW. Comparison between 2000-2010 with
1937-1947 hot period - earth middle temperature has risen 0.44°C
compared to the 1937-1947 hot period:
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/do_nmap.py?year_last=2010&month_last=12&sat=4&sst=1&type=anoms&mean_gen=1212&year1=2000&year2=2010&base1=1937&base2=1947&radius=1200&pol=reg
/Glenn
J
John Larkin
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On Mon, 06 Feb 2012 10:54:04 +0100, Glenn <glenn2233@gmail.com> wrote:
modeling.
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That last line pretty much sums up the current state of climate
modeling.
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krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz
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On Mon, 06 Feb 2012 07:23:10 -0800, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
<jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
Isn't that pretty much expected from a chaotic system?
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John Larkin
Guest
On Mon, 06 Feb 2012 20:23:46 -0500, "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
<krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
storm. But less CO2 would cause different winter storms. The bottom
line is that climate models do great modeling the past, given that
parameters are tweaked to do so.
Every time something new and unexpected happens, an explanation, like
this one, is manufactured.
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Highland Technology, Inc
jlarkin at highlandtechnology dot com
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<krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
Yes. Everything causes everything, so more CO2 *does* cause a winter
storm. But less CO2 would cause different winter storms. The bottom
line is that climate models do great modeling the past, given that
parameters are tweaked to do so.
Every time something new and unexpected happens, an explanation, like
this one, is manufactured.
--
John Larkin, President
Highland Technology, Inc
jlarkin at highlandtechnology dot com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com
Precision electronic instrumentation
Picosecond-resolution Digital Delay and Pulse generators
Custom laser controllers
Photonics and fiberoptic TTL data links
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Bill Sloman
Guest
On Feb 5, 10:41 pm, John Larkin
<jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
temperature. For one thing, weather-related human welfare tends to
depend on rainfall as well as temperature, and the occasional tornado
or cyclone can makes a few people decidedly unhappy and uncomfortable
more or less independent of temperature.
It's all going to be a little more complicated than you'd like to
think (if you liked to think about anything outside of electronics,
doesn't seem to happen).
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
<jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
It's unlikely that human welfare is a linear function of planetaryOn Sun, 05 Feb 2012 15:19:57 -0500, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSensel...@electrooptical.net> wrote:
John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 05 Feb 2012 18:36:08 +0000, Raveninghorde
raveninghorde@invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 04 Feb 2012 14:35:40 -0800, Joerg <inva...@invalid.invalid
wrote:
amdx wrote:
Met Office releases new figures which show no warming in 15 years
Met = UK's National Weather Service
Some of the rivers are already in the process of freezing over:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/object/article?f=/n/a/2012/02/03/intern...
[...]
Cold enough here that watefalls have frozen
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16892848
Ice skating in the fens in Eastern England and -22C reported in the
Netherlands.
Good grief. Cold kills.
Well, as the old saw says, it's an ill wind that blows nobody good.
We've had an Indian summer that lasted all the way through January. The
last couple of nights it's been about freezing, but we've hardly had a
frost all winter. On Groundhog Day, everyone was saying that they
didn't care if ol' Punxsutawney Phil saw his shadow or not, because
another 6 weeks of _this_ winter would be no big hardship.
Folks elsewhere that aren't used to it are having a bad time, though.
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
It's been balmy and sunny in San Francisco this week, and overall warm
and dry so far this winter. That's nice for walking and gardening, but
bad for skiing and for the water supply.
If you were to (somehow) plot mean human welfare against mean
planetary temperature, I'd guess we're currently located at an
up-slope, wild guess +5% per degree C.
temperature. For one thing, weather-related human welfare tends to
depend on rainfall as well as temperature, and the occasional tornado
or cyclone can makes a few people decidedly unhappy and uncomfortable
more or less independent of temperature.
It's all going to be a little more complicated than you'd like to
think (if you liked to think about anything outside of electronics,
doesn't seem to happen).
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
Guest
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Bill Sloman
Guest
On Feb 6, 4:23 pm, John Larkin
<jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
a lot of point in doing it.
The Barents-Kara Sea phenomena doesn't make the average global
temperature lower, it just occasionally dumps a lot of cold air and
snow on northern Europe.
For a truly counter-expectation effect, look at the Younger Dryas,
where global warming at the end of the last ice age seems to have
turned off the Gulf steam for 1300 years. It may have slowed down the
onset of the current interglacial, but it didn't stop it, while making
the area around the north Atlantic very cold for those 1300 years.
Climate change isn't all blissful warming of your backyard - one of
the many counter-intuitive insights you need to get your head around
if you don't want to sound like a nitwit.
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
<jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
<snip>
If it only produced results that everybody expected, there wouldn't be
a lot of point in doing it.
The Barents-Kara Sea phenomena doesn't make the average global
temperature lower, it just occasionally dumps a lot of cold air and
snow on northern Europe.
For a truly counter-expectation effect, look at the Younger Dryas,
where global warming at the end of the last ice age seems to have
turned off the Gulf steam for 1300 years. It may have slowed down the
onset of the current interglacial, but it didn't stop it, while making
the area around the north Atlantic very cold for those 1300 years.
Climate change isn't all blissful warming of your backyard - one of
the many counter-intuitive insights you need to get your head around
if you don't want to sound like a nitwit.
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
B
Bill Sloman
Guest
On Feb 7, 2:57 am, John Larkin <jlar...@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
real prediction.
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Check the publication dates. The Barents- and Kara-Sea ice story was a
real prediction.
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Bill Sloman
Guest
On Feb 7, 2:23 am, "k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz>
wrote:
doesn't seem to be chaotic - John Larkin hasn't yet worked out that
climate and weather are subtlety different concepts, so climate
doesn't have to be chaotic even if weather is.
Try not to make the same mistake. It makes you look ignorant.
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
wrote:
<snip>
Weather is chaotic - over periods longer than about ten days. Climate
doesn't seem to be chaotic - John Larkin hasn't yet worked out that
climate and weather are subtlety different concepts, so climate
doesn't have to be chaotic even if weather is.
Try not to make the same mistake. It makes you look ignorant.
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
J
John Larkin
Guest
On Sun, 5 Feb 2012 18:39:26 -0800 (PST), Bill Sloman
<bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
--
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www.highlandtechnology.com jlarkin at highlandtechnology dot com
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Custom timing and laser controllers
Photonics and fiberoptic TTL data links
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Multichannel arbitrary waveform generators
<bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
You don't believe in derivatives?On Feb 5, 10:41 pm, John Larkin
jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
On Sun, 05 Feb 2012 15:19:57 -0500, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSensel...@electrooptical.net> wrote:
John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 05 Feb 2012 18:36:08 +0000, Raveninghorde
raveninghorde@invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 04 Feb 2012 14:35:40 -0800, Joerg <inva...@invalid.invalid
wrote:
amdx wrote:
Met Office releases new figures which show no warming in 15 years
Met = UK's National Weather Service
Some of the rivers are already in the process of freezing over:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/object/article?f=/n/a/2012/02/03/intern...
[...]
Cold enough here that watefalls have frozen
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16892848
Ice skating in the fens in Eastern England and -22C reported in the
Netherlands.
Good grief. Cold kills.
Well, as the old saw says, it's an ill wind that blows nobody good.
We've had an Indian summer that lasted all the way through January. The
last couple of nights it's been about freezing, but we've hardly had a
frost all winter. On Groundhog Day, everyone was saying that they
didn't care if ol' Punxsutawney Phil saw his shadow or not, because
another 6 weeks of _this_ winter would be no big hardship.
Folks elsewhere that aren't used to it are having a bad time, though.
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
It's been balmy and sunny in San Francisco this week, and overall warm
and dry so far this winter. That's nice for walking and gardening, but
bad for skiing and for the water supply.
If you were to (somehow) plot mean human welfare against mean
planetary temperature, I'd guess we're currently located at an
up-slope, wild guess +5% per degree C.
It's unlikely that human welfare is a linear function of planetary
temperature. For one thing, weather-related human welfare tends to
depend on rainfall as well as temperature, and the occasional tornado
or cyclone can makes a few people decidedly unhappy and uncomfortable
more or less independent of temperature.
It's all going to be a little more complicated than you'd like to
think (if you liked to think about anything outside of electronics,
doesn't seem to happen).
--
John Larkin, President Highland Technology Inc
www.highlandtechnology.com jlarkin at highlandtechnology dot com
Precision electronic instrumentation
Picosecond-resolution Digital Delay and Pulse generators
Custom timing and laser controllers
Photonics and fiberoptic TTL data links
VME analog, thermocouple, LVDT, synchro, tachometer
Multichannel arbitrary waveform generators
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Bill Sloman
Guest
On Feb 7, 7:35 am, John Larkin
<jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
you do, I get to believe in non-linear responses to a range of
environmental factors, and second order partial derivatives to
describe how "human welfare" - and other ill-defined scoring functions
- vary with - say - rainfall and temperature at the same time.
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
<jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
Of course I believe in derivatives, but since I know a bit more thanOn Sun, 5 Feb 2012 18:39:26 -0800 (PST), Bill Sloman
bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote:
On Feb 5, 10:41 pm, John Larkin
jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
On Sun, 05 Feb 2012 15:19:57 -0500, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSensel...@electrooptical.net> wrote:
John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 05 Feb 2012 18:36:08 +0000, Raveninghorde
raveninghorde@invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 04 Feb 2012 14:35:40 -0800, Joerg <inva...@invalid.invalid
wrote:
amdx wrote:
Met Office releases new figures which show no warming in 15 years
Met = UK's National Weather Service
Some of the rivers are already in the process of freezing over:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/object/article?f=/n/a/2012/02/03/intern...
[...]
Cold enough here that watefalls have frozen
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16892848
Ice skating in the fens in Eastern England and -22C reported in the
Netherlands.
Good grief. Cold kills.
Well, as the old saw says, it's an ill wind that blows nobody good.
We've had an Indian summer that lasted all the way through January. The
last couple of nights it's been about freezing, but we've hardly had a
frost all winter. On Groundhog Day, everyone was saying that they
didn't care if ol' Punxsutawney Phil saw his shadow or not, because
another 6 weeks of _this_ winter would be no big hardship.
Folks elsewhere that aren't used to it are having a bad time, though.
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
It's been balmy and sunny in San Francisco this week, and overall warm
and dry so far this winter. That's nice for walking and gardening, but
bad for skiing and for the water supply.
If you were to (somehow) plot mean human welfare against mean
planetary temperature, I'd guess we're currently located at an
up-slope, wild guess +5% per degree C.
It's unlikely that human welfare is a linear function of planetary
temperature. For one thing, weather-related human welfare tends to
depend on rainfall as well as temperature, and the occasional tornado
or cyclone can makes a few people decidedly unhappy and uncomfortable
more or less independent of temperature.
It's all going to be a little more complicated than you'd like to
think (if you liked to think about anything outside of electronics,
doesn't seem to happen).
You don't believe in derivatives?
you do, I get to believe in non-linear responses to a range of
environmental factors, and second order partial derivatives to
describe how "human welfare" - and other ill-defined scoring functions
- vary with - say - rainfall and temperature at the same time.
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
J
John Larkin
Guest
On Tue, 7 Feb 2012 03:49:26 -0800 (PST), Bill Sloman
<bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
you are paralyzed.
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<bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
Word salad. Hand waving. You know so much about so many things thatOn Feb 7, 7:35 am, John Larkin
jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
On Sun, 5 Feb 2012 18:39:26 -0800 (PST), Bill Sloman
bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote:
On Feb 5, 10:41 pm, John Larkin
jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
On Sun, 05 Feb 2012 15:19:57 -0500, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSensel...@electrooptical.net> wrote:
John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 05 Feb 2012 18:36:08 +0000, Raveninghorde
raveninghorde@invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 04 Feb 2012 14:35:40 -0800, Joerg <inva...@invalid.invalid
wrote:
amdx wrote:
Met Office releases new figures which show no warming in 15 years
Met = UK's National Weather Service
Some of the rivers are already in the process of freezing over:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/object/article?f=/n/a/2012/02/03/intern...
[...]
Cold enough here that watefalls have frozen
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16892848
Ice skating in the fens in Eastern England and -22C reported in the
Netherlands.
Good grief. Cold kills.
Well, as the old saw says, it's an ill wind that blows nobody good.
We've had an Indian summer that lasted all the way through January. The
last couple of nights it's been about freezing, but we've hardly had a
frost all winter. On Groundhog Day, everyone was saying that they
didn't care if ol' Punxsutawney Phil saw his shadow or not, because
another 6 weeks of _this_ winter would be no big hardship.
Folks elsewhere that aren't used to it are having a bad time, though.
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
It's been balmy and sunny in San Francisco this week, and overall warm
and dry so far this winter. That's nice for walking and gardening, but
bad for skiing and for the water supply.
If you were to (somehow) plot mean human welfare against mean
planetary temperature, I'd guess we're currently located at an
up-slope, wild guess +5% per degree C.
It's unlikely that human welfare is a linear function of planetary
temperature. For one thing, weather-related human welfare tends to
depend on rainfall as well as temperature, and the occasional tornado
or cyclone can makes a few people decidedly unhappy and uncomfortable
more or less independent of temperature.
It's all going to be a little more complicated than you'd like to
think (if you liked to think about anything outside of electronics,
doesn't seem to happen).
You don't believe in derivatives?
Of course I believe in derivatives, but since I know a bit more than
you do, I get to believe in non-linear responses to a range of
environmental factors, and second order partial derivatives to
describe how "human welfare" - and other ill-defined scoring functions
- vary with - say - rainfall and temperature at the same time.
you are paralyzed.
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John Larkin, President Highland Technology Inc
www.highlandtechnology.com jlarkin at highlandtechnology dot com
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