Faraday bags and other scarey things...

[bud--]

On 12/28/2022 10:38 PM, chop wrote:

On Thu, 29 Dec 2022 14:31:21 +1100, bud-- <null@void.com> wrote:

On 12/28/2022 8:52 PM, chop wrote:
On Thu, 29 Dec 2022 10:47:07 +1100, Scott Lurndal
scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:

micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> writes:


---- Except, how isthere any signal to pick up unless you are in your
home pressing the Unlock button on the fob at the same time the thief
drives by?    I myself dont\' bother pressing fob buttons once I\'ve
left
the car, until I want to drive away the next day.

The key fob and the vehicle routinely \"ping\" each other when
in range.   This is what allows mere possession of the key
to allow one to unlock the trunk, or fuel filler cover without
any button push on the remote.

The evesdropper can simply \"overhear\" the ping and use the data
to capture the necessary bits of the protocol.
 Not with a rolling code system.

If you read
https://www.moneyshake.com/car-finance-guides/road-safety/how-to-protect-keyless-entry-cars

\"How do keyless car thefts work?\" (in the first post)
the method gives the car the code from a legitimate fob at the time
the theft takes place.

That isn\'t possible with the rolling code system.

\"at the time the theft takes place\"

Rolling code? That is the code the car gets.

But it is different every time, that\'s where the name ROLLING comes from.

You have not read the cited source or it is too difficult for you to
understand.

When the scheme is being run it gets a \'fresh\' rolling code from an
authorized fob and sends it to the car.

Everyone seems to understand but you.

 

[bud--]

On 12/28/2022 10:38 PM, chop wrote:

On Thu, 29 Dec 2022 14:31:21 +1100, bud-- <null@void.com> wrote:

On 12/28/2022 8:52 PM, chop wrote:
On Thu, 29 Dec 2022 10:47:07 +1100, Scott Lurndal
scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:

micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> writes:


---- Except, how isthere any signal to pick up unless you are in your
home pressing the Unlock button on the fob at the same time the thief
drives by?    I myself dont\' bother pressing fob buttons once I\'ve
left
the car, until I want to drive away the next day.

The key fob and the vehicle routinely \"ping\" each other when
in range.   This is what allows mere possession of the key
to allow one to unlock the trunk, or fuel filler cover without
any button push on the remote.

The evesdropper can simply \"overhear\" the ping and use the data
to capture the necessary bits of the protocol.
 Not with a rolling code system.

If you read
https://www.moneyshake.com/car-finance-guides/road-safety/how-to-protect-keyless-entry-cars

\"How do keyless car thefts work?\" (in the first post)
the method gives the car the code from a legitimate fob at the time
the theft takes place.

That isn\'t possible with the rolling code system.

\"at the time the theft takes place\"

Rolling code? That is the code the car gets.

But it is different every time, that\'s where the name ROLLING comes from.

You have not read the cited source or it is too difficult for you to
understand.

When the scheme is being run it gets a \'fresh\' rolling code from an
authorized fob and sends it to the car.

Everyone seems to understand but you.

 

[chop]

On Thu, 29 Dec 2022 21:55:47 +1100, bud-- <null@void.com> wrote:

On 12/28/2022 10:38 PM, chop wrote:
On Thu, 29 Dec 2022 14:31:21 +1100, bud-- <null@void.com> wrote:

On 12/28/2022 8:52 PM, chop wrote:
On Thu, 29 Dec 2022 10:47:07 +1100, Scott Lurndal
scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:

micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> writes:


---- Except, how isthere any signal to pick up unless you are in
your
home pressing the Unlock button on the fob at the same time the
thief
drives by? I myself dont\' bother pressing fob buttons once I\'ve
left
the car, until I want to drive away the next day.

The key fob and the vehicle routinely \"ping\" each other when
in range. This is what allows mere possession of the key
to allow one to unlock the trunk, or fuel filler cover without
any button push on the remote.

The evesdropper can simply \"overhear\" the ping and use the data
to capture the necessary bits of the protocol.
Not with a rolling code system.

If you read
https://www.moneyshake.com/car-finance-guides/road-safety/how-to-protect-keyless-entry-cars
\"How do keyless car thefts work?\" (in the first post)
the method gives the car the code from a legitimate fob at the time
the theft takes place.

That isn\'t possible with the rolling code system.

\"at the time the theft takes place\"

Changes nothing.

Rolling code? That is the code the car gets.
But it is different every time, that\'s where the name ROLLING comes
from.

You have not read the cited source or it is too difficult for you to
understand.

You are just plain wrong about both.

When the scheme is being run it gets a \'fresh\' rolling code from an
authorized fob and sends it to the car.

Wrong.

> Everyone seems to understand but you.

Wrong.

If it was that easy, all cars with buttonless fobs would be stolen and
that doesn\'t happen.

 

[chop]

On Thu, 29 Dec 2022 21:55:47 +1100, bud-- <null@void.com> wrote:

On 12/28/2022 10:38 PM, chop wrote:
On Thu, 29 Dec 2022 14:31:21 +1100, bud-- <null@void.com> wrote:

On 12/28/2022 8:52 PM, chop wrote:
On Thu, 29 Dec 2022 10:47:07 +1100, Scott Lurndal
scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:

micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> writes:


---- Except, how isthere any signal to pick up unless you are in
your
home pressing the Unlock button on the fob at the same time the
thief
drives by? I myself dont\' bother pressing fob buttons once I\'ve
left
the car, until I want to drive away the next day.

The key fob and the vehicle routinely \"ping\" each other when
in range. This is what allows mere possession of the key
to allow one to unlock the trunk, or fuel filler cover without
any button push on the remote.

The evesdropper can simply \"overhear\" the ping and use the data
to capture the necessary bits of the protocol.
Not with a rolling code system.

If you read
https://www.moneyshake.com/car-finance-guides/road-safety/how-to-protect-keyless-entry-cars
\"How do keyless car thefts work?\" (in the first post)
the method gives the car the code from a legitimate fob at the time
the theft takes place.

That isn\'t possible with the rolling code system.

\"at the time the theft takes place\"

Changes nothing.

Rolling code? That is the code the car gets.
But it is different every time, that\'s where the name ROLLING comes
from.

You have not read the cited source or it is too difficult for you to
understand.

You are just plain wrong about both.

When the scheme is being run it gets a \'fresh\' rolling code from an
authorized fob and sends it to the car.

Wrong.

> Everyone seems to understand but you.

Wrong.

If it was that easy, all cars with buttonless fobs would be stolen and
that doesn\'t happen.

 

[chop]

On Thu, 29 Dec 2022 21:55:47 +1100, bud-- <null@void.com> wrote:

On 12/28/2022 10:38 PM, chop wrote:
On Thu, 29 Dec 2022 14:31:21 +1100, bud-- <null@void.com> wrote:

On 12/28/2022 8:52 PM, chop wrote:
On Thu, 29 Dec 2022 10:47:07 +1100, Scott Lurndal
scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:

micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> writes:


---- Except, how isthere any signal to pick up unless you are in
your
home pressing the Unlock button on the fob at the same time the
thief
drives by? I myself dont\' bother pressing fob buttons once I\'ve
left
the car, until I want to drive away the next day.

The key fob and the vehicle routinely \"ping\" each other when
in range. This is what allows mere possession of the key
to allow one to unlock the trunk, or fuel filler cover without
any button push on the remote.

The evesdropper can simply \"overhear\" the ping and use the data
to capture the necessary bits of the protocol.
Not with a rolling code system.

If you read
https://www.moneyshake.com/car-finance-guides/road-safety/how-to-protect-keyless-entry-cars
\"How do keyless car thefts work?\" (in the first post)
the method gives the car the code from a legitimate fob at the time
the theft takes place.

That isn\'t possible with the rolling code system.

\"at the time the theft takes place\"

Changes nothing.

Rolling code? That is the code the car gets.
But it is different every time, that\'s where the name ROLLING comes
from.

You have not read the cited source or it is too difficult for you to
understand.

You are just plain wrong about both.

When the scheme is being run it gets a \'fresh\' rolling code from an
authorized fob and sends it to the car.

Wrong.

> Everyone seems to understand but you.

Wrong.

If it was that easy, all cars with buttonless fobs would be stolen and
that doesn\'t happen.

 

[Peeler]

On Fri, 30 Dec 2022 05:00:01 +1100, chop, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:

<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin\'s latest trollshit unread>

--
Richard addressing senile Rodent Speed:
\"Shit you\'re thick/pathetic excuse for a troll.\"
MID: <ogoa38$pul$1@news.mixmin.net>

 

[Peeler]

On Fri, 30 Dec 2022 05:00:01 +1100, chop, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:

<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin\'s latest trollshit unread>

--
Richard addressing senile Rodent Speed:
\"Shit you\'re thick/pathetic excuse for a troll.\"
MID: <ogoa38$pul$1@news.mixmin.net>

 

[Peeler]

On Fri, 30 Dec 2022 05:00:01 +1100, chop, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:

<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin\'s latest trollshit unread>

--
Richard addressing senile Rodent Speed:
\"Shit you\'re thick/pathetic excuse for a troll.\"
MID: <ogoa38$pul$1@news.mixmin.net>

 

[Bob F]

On 12/29/2022 11:17 AM, Peeler wrote:

On Fri, 30 Dec 2022 05:00:01 +1100, chop, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:

I was just thinking that that must be the case.

 

[Bob F]

On 12/29/2022 11:17 AM, Peeler wrote:

On Fri, 30 Dec 2022 05:00:01 +1100, chop, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:

I was just thinking that that must be the case.

 

[Bob F]

On 12/29/2022 11:17 AM, Peeler wrote:

On Fri, 30 Dec 2022 05:00:01 +1100, chop, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:

I was just thinking that that must be the case.

 

[Wade Garrett]

On 12/28/22 5:08 PM, Sergey Kubushyn wrote:

In sci.electronics.repair micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

https://www.moneyshake.com/car-finance-guides/road-safety/how-to-protect-keyless-entry-cars
Unlike standard cars where access without raising the alarm requires the
key, keyless entry models can be ?tricked? into thinking a key is
present through a transmitter and receiver device.
If your car?s fob isn?t stored safely, then it can be very easy for a
pair of opportune thieves to pick up the key?s radio frequency signal,
without having to break into your house. Luckily, however, there are
many ways in which you can make it extremely difficult for them to do
this and protect your motor.

---- Except, how isthere any signal to pick up unless you are in your
home pressing the Unlock button on the fob at the same time the thief
drives by? I myself dont\' bother pressing fob buttons once I\'ve left
the car, until I want to drive away the next day.

https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/norfolk/relay-devices-being-used-to-steal-locked-cars/

When I\'m close to my Lexus LS460L with keyfob in my pocket it greets me with
turning on the lights under rearview mirrors.

Then, I pull the door handle and it opens the door and unfolds the rearview
mirrors. Then, I step on the brake pedal and push the car\'s (not keyfob)
START button and it starts up.

Also, when I\'m touching a button on the trunk with my keyfob in my pocket it
opens the trunk.

None of that happens when I have that keyfob in a copper mesh Faraday
bag/protector no matter how close I am to my car.

I don\'t remember pushing ANY keyfob button EVER for as long as I own that
car. I\'m locking it when leaving by pressing a button on any door handle. It
locks all doors, folds the mirrors and activates security system when a
button on any door handle is pressed when keyfob is nearby and not in
Faraday bag. Won\'t do it if the keyfob is inside the car.

And this is true for ALL relatively modern cars with that START button. They
are ALL prone to stealing by an amplifier/receiver if keyfob is not put in a
Faraday bag. There was a video from security camera on our local Nextdoor
showing how a top-of-the-line Mercedes-Benz was stolen from our neighbor\'s
driveway in less than a minute, from a car stopping by and a perp going out
of that car to the moment he drove away in that Mercedes.

Please, don\'t spread that BS about no signal unless a keyfob button is
pressed. It is simply false.

---
******************************************************************
* KSI@home KOI8 Net < > The impossible we do immediately. *
* Las Vegas NV, USA < > Miracles require 24-hour notice. *
******************************************************************

Proximity sensor, very short range.

--
The reason Santa is so jolly is because he knows where all the naughty
girls live

 

[Wade Garrett]

On 12/28/22 5:08 PM, Sergey Kubushyn wrote:

In sci.electronics.repair micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

https://www.moneyshake.com/car-finance-guides/road-safety/how-to-protect-keyless-entry-cars
Unlike standard cars where access without raising the alarm requires the
key, keyless entry models can be ?tricked? into thinking a key is
present through a transmitter and receiver device.
If your car?s fob isn?t stored safely, then it can be very easy for a
pair of opportune thieves to pick up the key?s radio frequency signal,
without having to break into your house. Luckily, however, there are
many ways in which you can make it extremely difficult for them to do
this and protect your motor.

---- Except, how isthere any signal to pick up unless you are in your
home pressing the Unlock button on the fob at the same time the thief
drives by? I myself dont\' bother pressing fob buttons once I\'ve left
the car, until I want to drive away the next day.

https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/norfolk/relay-devices-being-used-to-steal-locked-cars/

When I\'m close to my Lexus LS460L with keyfob in my pocket it greets me with
turning on the lights under rearview mirrors.

Then, I pull the door handle and it opens the door and unfolds the rearview
mirrors. Then, I step on the brake pedal and push the car\'s (not keyfob)
START button and it starts up.

Also, when I\'m touching a button on the trunk with my keyfob in my pocket it
opens the trunk.

None of that happens when I have that keyfob in a copper mesh Faraday
bag/protector no matter how close I am to my car.

I don\'t remember pushing ANY keyfob button EVER for as long as I own that
car. I\'m locking it when leaving by pressing a button on any door handle. It
locks all doors, folds the mirrors and activates security system when a
button on any door handle is pressed when keyfob is nearby and not in
Faraday bag. Won\'t do it if the keyfob is inside the car.

And this is true for ALL relatively modern cars with that START button. They
are ALL prone to stealing by an amplifier/receiver if keyfob is not put in a
Faraday bag. There was a video from security camera on our local Nextdoor
showing how a top-of-the-line Mercedes-Benz was stolen from our neighbor\'s
driveway in less than a minute, from a car stopping by and a perp going out
of that car to the moment he drove away in that Mercedes.

Please, don\'t spread that BS about no signal unless a keyfob button is
pressed. It is simply false.

---
******************************************************************
* KSI@home KOI8 Net < > The impossible we do immediately. *
* Las Vegas NV, USA < > Miracles require 24-hour notice. *
******************************************************************

Proximity sensor, very short range.

--
The reason Santa is so jolly is because he knows where all the naughty
girls live

 

[Wade Garrett]

On 12/28/22 5:08 PM, Sergey Kubushyn wrote:

In sci.electronics.repair micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

https://www.moneyshake.com/car-finance-guides/road-safety/how-to-protect-keyless-entry-cars
Unlike standard cars where access without raising the alarm requires the
key, keyless entry models can be ?tricked? into thinking a key is
present through a transmitter and receiver device.
If your car?s fob isn?t stored safely, then it can be very easy for a
pair of opportune thieves to pick up the key?s radio frequency signal,
without having to break into your house. Luckily, however, there are
many ways in which you can make it extremely difficult for them to do
this and protect your motor.

---- Except, how isthere any signal to pick up unless you are in your
home pressing the Unlock button on the fob at the same time the thief
drives by? I myself dont\' bother pressing fob buttons once I\'ve left
the car, until I want to drive away the next day.

https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/norfolk/relay-devices-being-used-to-steal-locked-cars/

When I\'m close to my Lexus LS460L with keyfob in my pocket it greets me with
turning on the lights under rearview mirrors.

Then, I pull the door handle and it opens the door and unfolds the rearview
mirrors. Then, I step on the brake pedal and push the car\'s (not keyfob)
START button and it starts up.

Also, when I\'m touching a button on the trunk with my keyfob in my pocket it
opens the trunk.

None of that happens when I have that keyfob in a copper mesh Faraday
bag/protector no matter how close I am to my car.

I don\'t remember pushing ANY keyfob button EVER for as long as I own that
car. I\'m locking it when leaving by pressing a button on any door handle. It
locks all doors, folds the mirrors and activates security system when a
button on any door handle is pressed when keyfob is nearby and not in
Faraday bag. Won\'t do it if the keyfob is inside the car.

And this is true for ALL relatively modern cars with that START button. They
are ALL prone to stealing by an amplifier/receiver if keyfob is not put in a
Faraday bag. There was a video from security camera on our local Nextdoor
showing how a top-of-the-line Mercedes-Benz was stolen from our neighbor\'s
driveway in less than a minute, from a car stopping by and a perp going out
of that car to the moment he drove away in that Mercedes.

Please, don\'t spread that BS about no signal unless a keyfob button is
pressed. It is simply false.

---
******************************************************************
* KSI@home KOI8 Net < > The impossible we do immediately. *
* Las Vegas NV, USA < > Miracles require 24-hour notice. *
******************************************************************

Proximity sensor, very short range.

--
The reason Santa is so jolly is because he knows where all the naughty
girls live

 

[John Larkin]

On Wed, 28 Dec 2022 19:34:17 -0500, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

Sergey Kubushyn wrote:
In sci.electronics.repair John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
On Wed, 28 Dec 2022 22:08:22 -0000 (UTC), Sergey Kubushyn
ksi@koi8.net> wrote:

In sci.electronics.repair micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

https://www.moneyshake.com/car-finance-guides/road-safety/how-to-protect-keyless-entry-cars
Unlike standard cars where access without raising the alarm requires the
key, keyless entry models can be ?tricked? into thinking a key is
present through a transmitter and receiver device.
If your car?s fob isn?t stored safely, then it can be very easy for a
pair of opportune thieves to pick up the key?s radio frequency signal,
without having to break into your house. Luckily, however, there are
many ways in which you can make it extremely difficult for them to do
this and protect your motor.

---- Except, how isthere any signal to pick up unless you are in your
home pressing the Unlock button on the fob at the same time the thief
drives by? I myself dont\' bother pressing fob buttons once I\'ve left
the car, until I want to drive away the next day.

https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/norfolk/relay-devices-being-used-to-steal-locked-cars/

When I\'m close to my Lexus LS460L with keyfob in my pocket it greets me with
turning on the lights under rearview mirrors.

Then, I pull the door handle and it opens the door and unfolds the rearview
mirrors. Then, I step on the brake pedal and push the car\'s (not keyfob)
START button and it starts up.

Also, when I\'m touching a button on the trunk with my keyfob in my pocket it
opens the trunk.

None of that happens when I have that keyfob in a copper mesh Faraday
bag/protector no matter how close I am to my car.

I don\'t remember pushing ANY keyfob button EVER for as long as I own that
car. I\'m locking it when leaving by pressing a button on any door handle. It
locks all doors, folds the mirrors and activates security system when a
button on any door handle is pressed when keyfob is nearby and not in
Faraday bag. Won\'t do it if the keyfob is inside the car.

And this is true for ALL relatively modern cars with that START button. They
are ALL prone to stealing by an amplifier/receiver if keyfob is not put in a
Faraday bag. There was a video from security camera on our local Nextdoor
showing how a top-of-the-line Mercedes-Benz was stolen from our neighbor\'s
driveway in less than a minute, from a car stopping by and a perp going out
of that car to the moment he drove away in that Mercedes.

Please, don\'t spread that BS about no signal unless a keyfob button is
pressed. It is simply false.

When we get home, our keys go in a Danish Butter Cookie can. Those are
pretty good shields.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/30c6aesh4tzjg56/Z496_Can.jpg?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/cuxn5r7yzenb8m2/Z496_Out.jpg?raw=1

Yep. But those bags have their use too -- you car can be stolen when you
e.g. park it at a grocery store and come inside. The good practice is to put
the keyfob in a Faraday cage protection bag every time you leave it. Those
are not big boxes and easily fit in one\'s pocket. Something like this:

https://www.amazon.com/Protector-Blocking-Double-Layers-Shielding-Anti-Theft/dp/B0B4DCLY87

---
******************************************************************
* KSI@home KOI8 Net < > The impossible we do immediately. *
* Las Vegas NV, USA < > Miracles require 24-hour notice. *
******************************************************************


Or you could just drive a car with an actual key, like my 2012 Mustang
convertible.

If my car had a dead battery, I could unlock it with my real key and
boot it up from my little lithium thing. Or at least get inside, out
of the rain and snow.

Imagine freezing to death because your car won\'t let you in.

 

[John Larkin]

On Wed, 28 Dec 2022 19:34:17 -0500, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

Sergey Kubushyn wrote:
In sci.electronics.repair John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
On Wed, 28 Dec 2022 22:08:22 -0000 (UTC), Sergey Kubushyn
ksi@koi8.net> wrote:

In sci.electronics.repair micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

https://www.moneyshake.com/car-finance-guides/road-safety/how-to-protect-keyless-entry-cars
Unlike standard cars where access without raising the alarm requires the
key, keyless entry models can be ?tricked? into thinking a key is
present through a transmitter and receiver device.
If your car?s fob isn?t stored safely, then it can be very easy for a
pair of opportune thieves to pick up the key?s radio frequency signal,
without having to break into your house. Luckily, however, there are
many ways in which you can make it extremely difficult for them to do
this and protect your motor.

---- Except, how isthere any signal to pick up unless you are in your
home pressing the Unlock button on the fob at the same time the thief
drives by? I myself dont\' bother pressing fob buttons once I\'ve left
the car, until I want to drive away the next day.

https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/norfolk/relay-devices-being-used-to-steal-locked-cars/

When I\'m close to my Lexus LS460L with keyfob in my pocket it greets me with
turning on the lights under rearview mirrors.

Then, I pull the door handle and it opens the door and unfolds the rearview
mirrors. Then, I step on the brake pedal and push the car\'s (not keyfob)
START button and it starts up.

Also, when I\'m touching a button on the trunk with my keyfob in my pocket it
opens the trunk.

None of that happens when I have that keyfob in a copper mesh Faraday
bag/protector no matter how close I am to my car.

I don\'t remember pushing ANY keyfob button EVER for as long as I own that
car. I\'m locking it when leaving by pressing a button on any door handle. It
locks all doors, folds the mirrors and activates security system when a
button on any door handle is pressed when keyfob is nearby and not in
Faraday bag. Won\'t do it if the keyfob is inside the car.

And this is true for ALL relatively modern cars with that START button. They
are ALL prone to stealing by an amplifier/receiver if keyfob is not put in a
Faraday bag. There was a video from security camera on our local Nextdoor
showing how a top-of-the-line Mercedes-Benz was stolen from our neighbor\'s
driveway in less than a minute, from a car stopping by and a perp going out
of that car to the moment he drove away in that Mercedes.

Please, don\'t spread that BS about no signal unless a keyfob button is
pressed. It is simply false.

When we get home, our keys go in a Danish Butter Cookie can. Those are
pretty good shields.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/30c6aesh4tzjg56/Z496_Can.jpg?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/cuxn5r7yzenb8m2/Z496_Out.jpg?raw=1

Yep. But those bags have their use too -- you car can be stolen when you
e.g. park it at a grocery store and come inside. The good practice is to put
the keyfob in a Faraday cage protection bag every time you leave it. Those
are not big boxes and easily fit in one\'s pocket. Something like this:

https://www.amazon.com/Protector-Blocking-Double-Layers-Shielding-Anti-Theft/dp/B0B4DCLY87

---
******************************************************************
* KSI@home KOI8 Net < > The impossible we do immediately. *
* Las Vegas NV, USA < > Miracles require 24-hour notice. *
******************************************************************


Or you could just drive a car with an actual key, like my 2012 Mustang
convertible.

If my car had a dead battery, I could unlock it with my real key and
boot it up from my little lithium thing. Or at least get inside, out
of the rain and snow.

Imagine freezing to death because your car won\'t let you in.

 

[John Larkin]

On Wed, 28 Dec 2022 19:34:17 -0500, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

Sergey Kubushyn wrote:
In sci.electronics.repair John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
On Wed, 28 Dec 2022 22:08:22 -0000 (UTC), Sergey Kubushyn
ksi@koi8.net> wrote:

In sci.electronics.repair micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

https://www.moneyshake.com/car-finance-guides/road-safety/how-to-protect-keyless-entry-cars
Unlike standard cars where access without raising the alarm requires the
key, keyless entry models can be ?tricked? into thinking a key is
present through a transmitter and receiver device.
If your car?s fob isn?t stored safely, then it can be very easy for a
pair of opportune thieves to pick up the key?s radio frequency signal,
without having to break into your house. Luckily, however, there are
many ways in which you can make it extremely difficult for them to do
this and protect your motor.

---- Except, how isthere any signal to pick up unless you are in your
home pressing the Unlock button on the fob at the same time the thief
drives by? I myself dont\' bother pressing fob buttons once I\'ve left
the car, until I want to drive away the next day.

https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/norfolk/relay-devices-being-used-to-steal-locked-cars/

When I\'m close to my Lexus LS460L with keyfob in my pocket it greets me with
turning on the lights under rearview mirrors.

Then, I pull the door handle and it opens the door and unfolds the rearview
mirrors. Then, I step on the brake pedal and push the car\'s (not keyfob)
START button and it starts up.

Also, when I\'m touching a button on the trunk with my keyfob in my pocket it
opens the trunk.

None of that happens when I have that keyfob in a copper mesh Faraday
bag/protector no matter how close I am to my car.

I don\'t remember pushing ANY keyfob button EVER for as long as I own that
car. I\'m locking it when leaving by pressing a button on any door handle. It
locks all doors, folds the mirrors and activates security system when a
button on any door handle is pressed when keyfob is nearby and not in
Faraday bag. Won\'t do it if the keyfob is inside the car.

And this is true for ALL relatively modern cars with that START button. They
are ALL prone to stealing by an amplifier/receiver if keyfob is not put in a
Faraday bag. There was a video from security camera on our local Nextdoor
showing how a top-of-the-line Mercedes-Benz was stolen from our neighbor\'s
driveway in less than a minute, from a car stopping by and a perp going out
of that car to the moment he drove away in that Mercedes.

Please, don\'t spread that BS about no signal unless a keyfob button is
pressed. It is simply false.

When we get home, our keys go in a Danish Butter Cookie can. Those are
pretty good shields.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/30c6aesh4tzjg56/Z496_Can.jpg?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/cuxn5r7yzenb8m2/Z496_Out.jpg?raw=1

Yep. But those bags have their use too -- you car can be stolen when you
e.g. park it at a grocery store and come inside. The good practice is to put
the keyfob in a Faraday cage protection bag every time you leave it. Those
are not big boxes and easily fit in one\'s pocket. Something like this:

https://www.amazon.com/Protector-Blocking-Double-Layers-Shielding-Anti-Theft/dp/B0B4DCLY87

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Or you could just drive a car with an actual key, like my 2012 Mustang
convertible.

If my car had a dead battery, I could unlock it with my real key and
boot it up from my little lithium thing. Or at least get inside, out
of the rain and snow.

Imagine freezing to death because your car won\'t let you in.

 

[Peter W.]

Cutting to the chase....

Who, here, has had an *DIRECT* experience with car-theft-by-cloning?

Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA

 

[Peter W.]

Cutting to the chase....

Who, here, has had an *DIRECT* experience with car-theft-by-cloning?

Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA

 

[Peter W.]

Cutting to the chase....

Who, here, has had an *DIRECT* experience with car-theft-by-cloning?

Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA