engineers as heroes...

[John Larkin]

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trust-me-im-doctor-britains-most-least-respected-professions



--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc trk

The cork popped merrily, and Lord Peter rose to his feet.
\"Bunter\", he said, \"I give you a toast. The triumph of Instinct over Reason\"

 

[bitrex]

On 11/29/2020 11:12 AM, John Larkin wrote:

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trust-me-im-doctor-britains-most-least-respected-professions

America\'s would read like:

1. Some guy on the Internet
2. Heavily-armed police with unlimited power
3. Journalists paid by the Cato Institute who tell me what I want to hear
4. Former game-show hosts/TV personalities
5. Spiritual leaders who tell me God wants me to be rich
6. ZeroHedge author

etc.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 11:12:32 AM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:
> https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trust-me-im-doctor-britains-most-least-respected-professions

IOW the professions they know least about at the personal level, especially by way of being able to relate. Very telling.

--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc trk

The cork popped merrily, and Lord Peter rose to his feet.
\"Bunter\", he said, \"I give you a toast. The triumph of Instinct over Reason\"

 

[John Larkin]

On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 11:46:12 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 11/29/2020 11:12 AM, John Larkin wrote:

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trust-me-im-doctor-britains-most-least-respected-professions




America\'s would read like:

1. Some guy on the Internet
2. Heavily-armed police with unlimited power
3. Journalists paid by the Cato Institute who tell me what I want to hear
4. Former game-show hosts/TV personalities
5. Spiritual leaders who tell me God wants me to be rich
6. ZeroHedge author

etc.

Snark and nonsense. You just hate America and yourself.

--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc trk

The cork popped merrily, and Lord Peter rose to his feet.
\"Bunter\", he said, \"I give you a toast. The triumph of Instinct over Reason\"

 

[bitrex]

On 11/29/2020 11:57 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:

On Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 11:12:32 AM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trust-me-im-doctor-britains-most-least-respected-professions

IOW the professions they know least about at the personal level, especially by way of being able to relate. Very telling.

Pejoratively it\'s called \"being a suck-up.\"

 

[bitrex]

On 11/29/2020 12:13 PM, John Larkin wrote:

On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 11:46:12 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 11/29/2020 11:12 AM, John Larkin wrote:

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trust-me-im-doctor-britains-most-least-respected-professions




America\'s would read like:

1. Some guy on the Internet
2. Heavily-armed police with unlimited power
3. Journalists paid by the Cato Institute who tell me what I want to hear
4. Former game-show hosts/TV personalities
5. Spiritual leaders who tell me God wants me to be rich
6. ZeroHedge author

etc.



Snark and nonsense. You just hate America and yourself.

When JL heard \"When tyranny comes to America, it will be wrapped in the
flag and carrying a cross\" he thought they was writing an instruction
manual.

 

[John Larkin]

On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 08:57:00 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 11:12:32 AM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trust-me-im-doctor-britains-most-least-respected-professions

IOW the professions they know least about at the personal level, especially by way of being able to relate. Very telling.

Good observation. The average person has no contact with doctors or
nurses or teachers, and never sees the work of journalists or
politicians or advertising execs.



--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc trk

The cork popped merrily, and Lord Peter rose to his feet.
\"Bunter\", he said, \"I give you a toast. The triumph of Instinct over Reason\"

 

[bitrex]

On 11/29/2020 12:17 PM, John Larkin wrote:

On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 08:57:00 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 11:12:32 AM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trust-me-im-doctor-britains-most-least-respected-professions

IOW the professions they know least about at the personal level, especially by way of being able to relate. Very telling.


Good observation. The average person has no contact with doctors or
nurses or teachers, and never sees the work of journalists or
politicians or advertising execs.

The top 5 are all fashions of \"authority figure\"/\"care-giving
profession\" that generally require relatively difficult-to-obtain
credentials to be, which tend to attract two types of people, people
with genuinely good intentions, and people who genuinely enjoy having
credentials and authority.

 

[bitrex]

On 11/29/2020 12:13 PM, John Larkin wrote:

On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 11:46:12 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 11/29/2020 11:12 AM, John Larkin wrote:

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trust-me-im-doctor-britains-most-least-respected-professions




America\'s would read like:

1. Some guy on the Internet
2. Heavily-armed police with unlimited power
3. Journalists paid by the Cato Institute who tell me what I want to hear
4. Former game-show hosts/TV personalities
5. Spiritual leaders who tell me God wants me to be rich
6. ZeroHedge author

etc.



Snark and nonsense. You just hate America and yourself.

To be serious though, England historically speaking has a much more
well-delineated class structure than the US. Which is why you\'ll find
even in the 1970s jokes in e.g. Are You Being Served? where subordinate
employees are reprimanded for wearing the wrong hat. Upper-middle
management is to wear homburgs, lower-middle management is to wear
bowlers...

 

[John Larkin]

On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 12:29:38 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 11/29/2020 12:17 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 08:57:00 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 11:12:32 AM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trust-me-im-doctor-britains-most-least-respected-professions

IOW the professions they know least about at the personal level, especially by way of being able to relate. Very telling.


Good observation. The average person has no contact with doctors or
nurses or teachers, and never sees the work of journalists or
politicians or advertising execs.



The top 5 are all fashions of \"authority figure\"/\"care-giving
profession\" that generally require relatively difficult-to-obtain
credentials to be, which tend to attract two types of people, people
with genuinely good intentions, and people who genuinely enjoy having
credentials and authority.

Right, those nurses are just there for the power trip.

--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc trk

The cork popped merrily, and Lord Peter rose to his feet.
\"Bunter\", he said, \"I give you a toast. The triumph of Instinct over Reason\"

 

[bitrex]

On 11/29/2020 1:50 PM, John Larkin wrote:

On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 12:29:38 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 11/29/2020 12:17 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 08:57:00 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 11:12:32 AM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trust-me-im-doctor-britains-most-least-respected-professions

IOW the professions they know least about at the personal level, especially by way of being able to relate. Very telling.


Good observation. The average person has no contact with doctors or
nurses or teachers, and never sees the work of journalists or
politicians or advertising execs.



The top 5 are all fashions of \"authority figure\"/\"care-giving
profession\" that generally require relatively difficult-to-obtain
credentials to be, which tend to attract two types of people, people
with genuinely good intentions, and people who genuinely enjoy having
credentials and authority.


Right, those nurses are just there for the power trip.

Well the ones who murdered their patients probably were...

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Cullen>

 

[Rick C]

On Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 11:12:32 AM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:
> https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trust-me-im-doctor-britains-most-least-respected-professions

That\'s why I like this group, it\'s always full of interesting technical stuff! I\'m so glad we\'ve managed to eliminate the drama.

--

Rick C.

- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[bitrex]

On 11/29/2020 8:32 PM, Rick C wrote:

On Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 11:12:32 AM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trust-me-im-doctor-britains-most-least-respected-professions

That\'s why I like this group, it\'s always full of interesting technical stuff! I\'m so glad we\'ve managed to eliminate the drama.

Don\'t believe it said they viewed engineers as \"heroes\", either, just
that it\'s considered a respectable profession, more so than journalists
or advertising executives.

There\'s a reason a number of the 9/11 hijackers had engineering degrees;
probably not because engineers are any more prone to terrorism than
other types of people, but because e.g. in the Middle East and Indian
subcontinent it\'s a well-regarded \"respectable profession\", more like
being an MD than it is in the US. So it\'s the degree the wealthy
dilettante parents of wealthy dilettante children pay someone off to get
them

 

[bitrex]

On 11/29/2020 8:32 PM, Rick C wrote:

On Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 11:12:32 AM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trust-me-im-doctor-britains-most-least-respected-professions

That\'s why I like this group, it\'s always full of interesting technical stuff! I\'m so glad we\'ve managed to eliminate the drama.

Like I thought it was going to be a story about an engineer patching up
a crippled plane by using chewing gum and a toilet seat, or whipping up
an ad hoc device to pull a kid out of a well but it was just some kind
of white-collar snobbery contest.

 

[Tom Del Rosso]

bitrex wrote:

On 11/29/2020 12:13 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 11:46:12 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 11/29/2020 11:12 AM, John Larkin wrote:

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trust-me-im-doctor-britains-most-least-respected-professions




America\'s would read like:

1. Some guy on the Internet
2. Heavily-armed police with unlimited power
3. Journalists paid by the Cato Institute who tell me what I want
to hear 4. Former game-show hosts/TV personalities
5. Spiritual leaders who tell me God wants me to be rich
6. ZeroHedge author

etc.



Snark and nonsense. You just hate America and yourself.


When JL heard \"When tyranny comes to America, it will be wrapped in
the flag and carrying a cross\" he thought they was writing an
instruction manual.

It\'s always wrapped in a flag, but the cross can be many things, like
global warming. And you do hate the US.

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 7:36:51 AM UTC+11, Tom Del Rosso wrote:

bitrex wrote:
On 11/29/2020 12:13 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 11:46:12 -0500, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

On 11/29/2020 11:12 AM, John Larkin wrote:

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trust-me-im-doctor-britains-most-least-respected-professions




America\'s would read like:

1. Some guy on the Internet
2. Heavily-armed police with unlimited power
3. Journalists paid by the Cato Institute who tell me what I want
to hear 4. Former game-show hosts/TV personalities
5. Spiritual leaders who tell me God wants me to be rich
6. ZeroHedge author

etc.

Snark and nonsense. You just hate America and yourself.

When JL heard \"When tyranny comes to America, it will be wrapped in
the flag and carrying a cross\" he thought they was writing an
instruction manual.

It\'s always wrapped in a flag, but the cross can be many things, like
global warming. And you do hate the US.

Bitrex clearly doesn\'t hate the US, even if he thinks it could be improved. Tom Del Rosso and John Larkin seem to think that the USA is absolutely perfect just the way it is - which is a trifle unrealistic - and interpret any desire for change as a desire to damage that perfection, which has to be motivated by hatred. It\'s silly.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 7:36:51 AM UTC+11, Tom Del Rosso wrote:

bitrex wrote:
On 11/29/2020 12:13 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 11:46:12 -0500, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

On 11/29/2020 11:12 AM, John Larkin wrote:

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trust-me-im-doctor-britains-most-least-respected-professions




America\'s would read like:

1. Some guy on the Internet
2. Heavily-armed police with unlimited power
3. Journalists paid by the Cato Institute who tell me what I want
to hear 4. Former game-show hosts/TV personalities
5. Spiritual leaders who tell me God wants me to be rich
6. ZeroHedge author

etc.

Snark and nonsense. You just hate America and yourself.

When JL heard \"When tyranny comes to America, it will be wrapped in
the flag and carrying a cross\" he thought they was writing an
instruction manual.

It\'s always wrapped in a flag, but the cross can be many things, like
global warming. And you do hate the US.

Bitrex clearly doesn\'t hate the US, even if he thinks it could be improved. Tom Del Rosso and John Larkin seem to think that the USA is absolutely perfect just the way it is - which is a trifle unrealistic - and interpret any desire for change as a desire to damage that perfection, which has to be motivated by hatred. It\'s silly.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Tom Del Rosso]

Bill Sloman wrote:

On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 7:36:51 AM UTC+11, Tom Del Rosso
wrote:
bitrex wrote:
On 11/29/2020 12:13 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 11:46:12 -0500, bitrex <us...@example.net
wrote:

On 11/29/2020 11:12 AM, John Larkin wrote:

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trust-me-im-doctor-britains-most-least-respected-professions




America\'s would read like:

1. Some guy on the Internet
2. Heavily-armed police with unlimited power
3. Journalists paid by the Cato Institute who tell me what I want
to hear 4. Former game-show hosts/TV personalities
5. Spiritual leaders who tell me God wants me to be rich
6. ZeroHedge author

etc.

Snark and nonsense. You just hate America and yourself.

When JL heard \"When tyranny comes to America, it will be wrapped in
the flag and carrying a cross\" he thought they was writing an
instruction manual.

It\'s always wrapped in a flag, but the cross can be many things, like
global warming. And you do hate the US.

Bitrex clearly doesn\'t hate the US, even if he thinks it could be
improved. Tom Del Rosso and John Larkin seem to think that the USA is
absolutely perfect just the way it is - which is a trifle unrealistic
- and interpret any desire for change as a desire to damage that
perfection, which has to be motivated by hatred. It\'s silly.

Wrong on every point.

It\'s the left that assumes that hatred drives opposition to gay
marriage, and that \"we have to ask why they hate us\" after 911 because
they assumed it must be the motive.

Yes it is stupid and childish. So is the left\'s frequent use of \"fair\"
and \"fairness\", which are words children use even more often than hate,
because they don\'t understand that fairness is subjective.

But Bitrex has expressed clear hatred for traditional Americans, often
on trival grounds like mocking rural people for stocking up for natural
disasters, by implying that it\'s really biblical armageddon they\'re
worried about.

Larkin probably agrees with me that our constitution is as perfect as
humanly possible, and the country would be too if we followed it.

Any desire for change should follow the procedure for amendment, instead
of ignoring what it says as written - a very non-trivial distinction
that the left can\'t wrap their heads around.

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 5:10:56 PM UTC+11, Tom Del Rosso wrote:

Bill Sloman wrote:
On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 7:36:51 AM UTC+11, Tom Del Rosso
wrote:
bitrex wrote:
On 11/29/2020 12:13 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 11:46:12 -0500, bitrex <us...@example.net
wrote:

On 11/29/2020 11:12 AM, John Larkin wrote:

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trust-me-im-doctor-britains-most-least-respected-professions




America\'s would read like:

1. Some guy on the Internet
2. Heavily-armed police with unlimited power
3. Journalists paid by the Cato Institute who tell me what I want
to hear 4. Former game-show hosts/TV personalities
5. Spiritual leaders who tell me God wants me to be rich
6. ZeroHedge author

etc.

Snark and nonsense. You just hate America and yourself.

When JL heard \"When tyranny comes to America, it will be wrapped in
the flag and carrying a cross\" he thought they was writing an
instruction manual.

It\'s always wrapped in a flag, but the cross can be many things, like
global warming. And you do hate the US.

Bitrex clearly doesn\'t hate the US, even if he thinks it could be
improved. Tom Del Rosso and John Larkin seem to think that the USA is
absolutely perfect just the way it is - which is a trifle unrealistic
- and interpret any desire for change as a desire to damage that
perfection, which has to be motivated by hatred. It\'s silly.

Wrong on every point.

Pity that you don\'t address any of them.

It\'s the left that assumes that hatred drives opposition to gay
marriage, and that \"we have to ask why they hate us\" after 911 because
they assumed it must be the motive.

Where did gay marriage get into the discussion? And what has 9/11 got to do with with your assertion that Bitrex hates the US?

Yes it is stupid and childish. So is the left\'s frequent use of \"fair\"
and \"fairness\", which are words children use even more often than hate,
because they don\'t understand that fairness is subjective.

The right seems to think that fairness is subjective, because they can\'t bring themselves to see that certain traditional ways of behaving are unfair.

But Bitrex has expressed clear hatred for traditional Americans, often
on trival grounds like mocking rural people for stocking up for natural
disasters, by implying that it\'s really biblical armageddon they\'re
worried about.

Mocking people isn\'t actually expressing hatred.. It\'s just not taking them very seriously. Hatred directs you actually damage them - \"sticks and stones can break my bones but words can never hurt me\" which isn\'t strictly true, but close enough.

Larkin probably agrees with me that our constitution is as perfect as
humanly possible, and the country would be too if we followed it.

That\'s what I was saying you thought. It\'s obviously untrue - lots of people have written constitutions modelled on the US constitution, but there are features - like the electoral college and the right to bear arms 2nd amendment - which nobody has bothered to copy for fairly obvious reasons

> Any desire for change should follow the procedure for amendment, instead of ignoring what it says as written - a very non-trivial distinction that the left can\'t wrap their heads around.

Nobody ignores what it says as written, but most people have enough sense to realise that the US constitution was written by a particular set of fallible human beings who clearly didn\'t get everything right.

You might be able to amend it into something better, but there are better constitutions around these days, and you\'d do better to start off from one of them.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[bitrex]

On 12/9/2020 1:10 AM, Tom Del Rosso wrote:

Bill Sloman wrote:
On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 7:36:51 AM UTC+11, Tom Del Rosso
wrote:
bitrex wrote:
On 11/29/2020 12:13 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 11:46:12 -0500, bitrex <us...@example.net
wrote:

On 11/29/2020 11:12 AM, John Larkin wrote:

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trust-me-im-doctor-britains-most-least-respected-professions




America\'s would read like:

1. Some guy on the Internet
2. Heavily-armed police with unlimited power
3. Journalists paid by the Cato Institute who tell me what I want
to hear 4. Former game-show hosts/TV personalities
5. Spiritual leaders who tell me God wants me to be rich
6. ZeroHedge author

etc.

Snark and nonsense. You just hate America and yourself.

When JL heard \"When tyranny comes to America, it will be wrapped in
the flag and carrying a cross\" he thought they was writing an
instruction manual.

It\'s always wrapped in a flag, but the cross can be many things, like
global warming. And you do hate the US.

Bitrex clearly doesn\'t hate the US, even if he thinks it could be
improved. Tom Del Rosso and John Larkin seem to think that the USA is
absolutely perfect just the way it is - which is a trifle unrealistic
- and interpret any desire for change as a desire to damage that
perfection, which has to be motivated by hatred. It\'s silly.


Wrong on every point.

It\'s the left that assumes that hatred drives opposition to gay
marriage, and that \"we have to ask why they hate us\" after 911 because
they assumed it must be the motive.

The left is not monolithic and tends to prefer it that way.

\"They hate our freedoms: our freedom of religion, our freedom of speech,
our freedom to vote and assemble and disagree with each other.\"

George Bush provided an answer. I was not by nature raised to be a
person who accepted answers provided by a George Bush on faith. sorry
\'bout that.

Yes it is stupid and childish. So is the left\'s frequent use of \"fair\"
and \"fairness\", which are words children use even more often than hate,
because they don\'t understand that fairness is subjective.

But Bitrex has expressed clear hatred for traditional Americans, often
on trival grounds like mocking rural people for stocking up for natural
disasters, by implying that it\'s really biblical armageddon they\'re
worried about.

What is a \"traditional American\"? Is that like the \"standard American
English\" I\'ve heard about? How would I unambiguously distinguish a
\"traditional American\" from some other type of American if all I had was
a dossier of life-facts to go by.

Bunch of self-referential circular terms that have no objective meaning
anyone could ever agree on.

Larkin probably agrees with me that our constitution is as perfect as
humanly possible, and the country would be too if we followed it.

The Founding Fathers were hardly perfect humans themselves so how an
assortment of imperfect humans could write anything close to a perfect
document is beyond me. I guess some believe God herself intervened in
its construction but as far as I know there\'s only one document
generally agreed on in Christianity that God had a hand in writing and
it\'s not the US Constitution.

Any desire for change should follow the procedure for amendment, instead
of ignoring what it says as written - a very non-trivial distinction
that the left can\'t wrap their heads around.

If simply reading the words \"as written\" lead to useful conclusions in
every aspect of law there would be no need for a Supreme Court a trained
chimpanzee could do the job of \"interpreting the law.\"