employees of telecommunications companies, watch out who you

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Winfield Hill

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Employees of telecommunications companies, like Qualcomm and Nokia,
had better watch out who they vote for. That is, if they hope to
perform their usual technical industry tasks, and thereby retain
their usual good employee job ratings... Make the wrong choice:
don't rely on that promotion. The new Bush-II political reality,
be non-political if you want to advance your family's future.

The new argument from the wife, "Honey, why didn't you just stay
quiet and do your job... See, now you're hurting our family."

If you think this is right, you *are* right, FAR right!
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1053595,00.html

"Those barred from the trip include employees of Qualcomm and Nokia,
two of the largest telecom firms operating in the U.S., as well as
Ibiquity, a digital-radio-technology company in Columbia, Md. One
nixed participant, who has been to many of these telecom meetings
and who wants to remain anonymous, gave just $250 to the Democratic
Party. Says Nokia vice president Bill Plummer: "We do not view
sending experts to international meetings on telecom issues to be a
partisan matter. We would welcome clarification from the White House."

Oops! Nokia's Bill Plummer just made the white-house shit-list.
Formerly director of industry and government affairs, now a V.P.,
he'll soon be the recipient of special White House attention.

BTW, for Jim, who claims Time is a liberal wiener mag, so he can
discount anything reported there: The facts speak for themselves.

"It's great when Republicans accuse Democrats of being partisan,
and when George W. Bush demands that his political appointments,
the 'people's business,' not be held up by "politics." Then they
turn around and restrict attendance at a telecom conference based
on political contributions." For myself, I'd like to see the law
enforcing information made public for small political contributions
overturned. But given the way the Bush admin is serious making use
of this formerly-private info, that's not about to happen.


--
Thanks,
- Win
 
I'm not too worried about this sort of thing. The various factions of
the GOP are starting to go after each others throats. It appears as
though they have taken to using the Patriot Act provision allowing the
secret examination of library records to check up on each other. :)

The neocons are going to turn the gov't into one big Survivor series.

--
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On 25 Apr 2005 18:21:37 -0700, Winfield Hill
<hill_a@t_rowland-dotties-harvard-dot.s-edu> wrote:

Employees of telecommunications companies, like Qualcomm and Nokia,
had better watch out who they vote for. That is, if they hope to
perform their usual technical industry tasks, and thereby retain
their usual good employee job ratings... Make the wrong choice:
don't rely on that promotion.
Click to expand...

How can anyone determine who someone else voted for?

Why do you want to start another drekky political thread here? 2008
will be here soon enough.

John
 
"John Larkin" wrote
How can anyone determine who someone else voted for?

Why do you want to start another drekky political thread here? 2008
will be here soon enough.
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You may not be able to find out how someone voted but, as a developer of
election law compliance software, I can say that it is extremely easy to
find out who they gave money to. It is all public record in a big
searchable database at the FEC.

--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com
 
Winfield Hill wrote:

Employees
....
had better watch out who they vote for.
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A pox on both houses. But its the Democrats that are the worst advocates
of factionalism. Ever demanding increased taxes so partisan politicians
can divide America into factions waring over the stolen tax dollars. You
have nothing to whine about Hill, your just getting what you've voted for.

Read about how it works:
http://bastiat.org/en/the_law.html

Wonderful 200 year old account of politicians organizing strifes of
interests masquerading as a contests of principles, and conducting
public affairs for private advantage.

I voted Libertarian, I don't deserve the theft and servility you or
Thompson advocate.

Scott

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http://home.comcast.net/~scottxs/

POLITICS, n.
A strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles.
The conduct of public affairs for private advantage. - Ambrose Bierce

There is no giant behind the devastation of the world—only a shriveled
creature with the wizened
face of a child who is out to blow up the kitchen because he cannot
steal his cookies and eat them, too. - Ayn Rand
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"Glenn Ashmore" <gashmore@cox.net> wrote in message
news:4Vibe.39098$Zr.4542@lakeread08...
"John Larkin" wrote

How can anyone determine who someone else voted for?

Why do you want to start another drekky political thread here? 2008
will be here soon enough.

You may not be able to find out how someone voted but, as a developer of
election law compliance software, I can say that it is extremely easy to
find out who they gave money to. It is all public record in a big
searchable database at the FEC.

--
Glenn Ashmore

Well, I was going to vote Republican anyway next time we had a chance. Those
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damned Monarchists can go jump.

Ken
 
Glenn Ashmore wrote...
"John Larkin" wrote

How can anyone determine who someone else voted for?

Why do you want to start another drekky political thread here? 2008
will be here soon enough.

You may not be able to find out how someone voted but, as a developer
of election law compliance software, I can say that it is extremely
easy to find out who they gave money to. It is all public record in
a big searchable database at the FEC.
Click to expand...
Plus attractive easy-to-use web apps to find out who your neighbors
contributed to, e.g. FundRace, http://www.fundrace.org/neighbors.php

I exaggerated a bit when I said "vote," but clearly a measly $250
contribution is an almost apolitical act, considering the heat of
the 2004 campaign (given the urgency of the issues, I was working
to convince my friends to give the $2000 max). So seeing the White
House using www.FundRace or other access to the FEC list to get the
political info to axe someone from a technical committee solely on the
evidence of their $250 contribution to the dems is truly disturbing.
We're told they axed at least four people on this basis.

Note, Fundrace says, "All calculations are based on records filed
with the FEC of contributions by all individuals totaling more than
$200 (and some totaling less than $200) to a single Republican or
Democratic presidential campaign or national committee between
January 1, 2003 and October 13, 2004." Last summer I worried that
the ready availability of this kind of private info was chilling to
free thinking in a democracy, and now we're getting an idea of just
how chilling it can be. Make a modest political donation and find
your work environment affected. Maybe your boss decides he's going
to penalize those who voted the other way, using evidence of their
little donation. Maybe somebody who has veto power over the roster
of a technical committee decides to spend a few minutes online, so
he can use his power to eliminate all those who differ politically.
With this type of scene underway, folks are going to start thinking
twice before making any political contribution. That's disturbing.


--
Thanks,
- Win
 
"Winfield Hill" <hill_a@t_rowland-dotties-harvard-dot.s-edu> wrote in
message news:d4l1r40rqh@drn.newsguy.com...

little donation. Maybe somebody who has veto power over the roster
of a technical committee decides to spend a few minutes online, so
he can use his power to eliminate all those who differ politically.
With this type of scene underway, folks are going to start thinking
twice before making any political contribution. That's disturbing.
Click to expand...
The flip side of "Freedom of Information" - probably introduced for the
common good of being able to see which politicians were bought by who??
 
Frithiof Andreas Jensen wrote...
Winfield Hill wrote ...

little donation. Maybe somebody who has veto power over the roster
of a technical committee decides to spend a few minutes online, so
he can use his power to eliminate all those who differ politically.
With this type of scene underway, folks are going to start thinking
twice before making any political contribution. That's disturbing.

The flip side of "Freedom of Information" - probably introduced for the
common good of being able to see which politicians were bought by who??
Click to expand...
Yes, of course, but it's horrible. And stupid. No politician can be
bought for $2000, let alone $200. The requirement for this information
to be public should be dropped. Let's get our privacy rights back.


--
Thanks,
- Win
 
On 25 Apr 2005 18:21:37 -0700, Winfield Hill
<hill_a@t_rowland-dotties-harvard-dot.s-edu> wrote:

Employees of telecommunications companies, like Qualcomm and Nokia,
had better watch out who they vote for. That is, if they hope to
perform their usual technical industry tasks, and thereby retain
their usual good employee job ratings... Make the wrong choice:
don't rely on that promotion. The new Bush-II political reality,
be non-political if you want to advance your family's future.

The new argument from the wife, "Honey, why didn't you just stay
quiet and do your job... See, now you're hurting our family."

If you think this is right, you *are* right, FAR right!
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1053595,00.html

"Those barred from the trip include employees of Qualcomm and Nokia,
two of the largest telecom firms operating in the U.S., as well as
Ibiquity, a digital-radio-technology company in Columbia, Md. One
nixed participant, who has been to many of these telecom meetings
and who wants to remain anonymous, gave just $250 to the Democratic
Party. Says Nokia vice president Bill Plummer: "We do not view
sending experts to international meetings on telecom issues to be a
partisan matter. We would welcome clarification from the White House."

Oops! Nokia's Bill Plummer just made the white-house shit-list.
Formerly director of industry and government affairs, now a V.P.,
he'll soon be the recipient of special White House attention.

BTW, for Jim, who claims Time is a liberal wiener mag, so he can
discount anything reported there: The facts speak for themselves.

"It's great when Republicans accuse Democrats of being partisan,
and when George W. Bush demands that his political appointments,
the 'people's business,' not be held up by "politics." Then they
turn around and restrict attendance at a telecom conference based
on political contributions." For myself, I'd like to see the law
enforcing information made public for small political contributions
overturned. But given the way the Bush admin is serious making use
of this formerly-private info, that's not about to happen.
Click to expand...
Make sure you get it "right", Win, it's "leftist weenie" ;-)

It's a boondoggle just like all "committee meetings" that somehow
always happen in exotic locations during the American Winter.

The Democrats do the same shit, they even visit the Mediterranean to
"study" Greek-Israeli affairs.

Politicians are across-the-board scum, so just get over it, Win.

...Jim Thompson
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| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
 
"Winfield Hill" wrote
Yes, of course, but it's horrible. And stupid. No politician can be
bought for $2000, let alone $200. The requirement for this information
to be public should be dropped. Let's get our privacy rights back.
Click to expand...
$2,000 may not buy a politician but $200,000 just might.

The falacy is that the database doesn't reflect the associations of the
donors. My software primarily does state reporting but it closely follows
FEC guidelines and has some analysis features that the fund raisers can use
beyond the basic reporting requirements. I regularly see 50 to 100 maximum
limit donations coming from the same or very similar addresses with
different names. Big Daddy can finance tickets for all his relatives to a
$1,000 a plate rubber chicken dinner and it never shows up.

The real problem is that the system invades the privacy of the individual
without revealing who actually bought the congressman.

--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com
 
On 26 Apr 2005 02:32:20 -0700, Winfield Hill
<hill_a@t_rowland-dotties-harvard-dot.s-edu> wrote:

Glenn Ashmore wrote...

"John Larkin" wrote

How can anyone determine who someone else voted for?

Why do you want to start another drekky political thread here? 2008
will be here soon enough.

You may not be able to find out how someone voted but, as a developer
of election law compliance software, I can say that it is extremely
easy to find out who they gave money to. It is all public record in
a big searchable database at the FEC.

Plus attractive easy-to-use web apps to find out who your neighbors
contributed to, e.g. FundRace, http://www.fundrace.org/neighbors.php

I exaggerated a bit when I said "vote," but clearly a measly $250
contribution is an almost apolitical act, considering the heat of
the 2004 campaign (given the urgency of the issues, I was working
to convince my friends to give the $2000 max).
Click to expand...
Too bad you weren't more persuasive. There would then be N * $2000
less around for them to spend on French wine and Volvos.

John
 
On 26 Apr 2005 05:05:04 -0700, Winfield Hill
<hill_a@t_rowland-dotties-harvard-dot.s-edu> wrote:

Frithiof Andreas Jensen wrote...

Winfield Hill wrote ...

little donation. Maybe somebody who has veto power over the roster
of a technical committee decides to spend a few minutes online, so
he can use his power to eliminate all those who differ politically.
With this type of scene underway, folks are going to start thinking
twice before making any political contribution. That's disturbing.

The flip side of "Freedom of Information" - probably introduced for the
common good of being able to see which politicians were bought by who??

Yes, of course, but it's horrible. And stupid. No politician can be
bought for $2000, let alone $200. The requirement for this information
to be public should be dropped. Let's get our privacy rights back.
Click to expand...

Interestingly, it's the Dems whose political financing histogram peaks
at big-buck contributions, and the Repubs who got large numbers of
small donations. Really, the country pretends it's still 1934, when in
fact the roles of the parties have nearly reversed. The Democratic
party now represents the big-city moneyed elites (in which class I
include the unions) and the R's represent farmers, suburban/rurals,
the real working class, and families.

John
 
I read in sci.electronics.design that Winfield Hill
<hill_a@t_rowland-dotties-harvard-dot.s-edu> wrote (in
<d4l1r40rqh@drn.newsguy.com>) about 'employees of telecommunications
companies, watch out who you vote for...', on Tue, 26 Apr 2005:

With this type of scene underway, folks are going to start thinking
twice before making any political contribution. That's disturbing.
Click to expand...
You can hope that more republicans think twice than Democrats.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
There are two sides to every question, except
'What is a Moebius strip?'
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk
 
I read in sci.electronics.design that Jim Thompson
<thegreatone@example.com> wrote (in
<j9br611asipa5v25iqqgjv57c10283osgf@4ax.com>) about 'employees of
telecommunications companies, watch out who you vote for...', on Tue, 26
Apr 2005:

It's a boondoggle just like all "committee meetings" that somehow
always happen in exotic locations during the American Winter.
Click to expand...
Standards committee meet in such exotic locations as Brussels. Berlin in
February is fun, too.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
There are two sides to every question, except
'What is a Moebius strip?'
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk
 
On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 20:04:49 +0100, John Woodgate wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that Jim Thompson
thegreatone@example.com> wrote (in
j9br611asipa5v25iqqgjv57c10283osgf@4ax.com>) about 'employees of
telecommunications companies, watch out who you vote for...', on Tue, 26
Apr 2005:

It's a boondoggle just like all "committee meetings" that somehow
always happen in exotic locations during the American Winter.

Standards committee meet in such exotic locations as Brussels. Berlin in
February is fun, too.
Click to expand...
Hey! I *Like* Brussels. Best damn paella I ever ate.


Bob
 
On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 20:04:49 +0100, John Woodgate
<jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that Jim Thompson
thegreatone@example.com> wrote (in
j9br611asipa5v25iqqgjv57c10283osgf@4ax.com>) about 'employees of
telecommunications companies, watch out who you vote for...', on Tue, 26
Apr 2005:

It's a boondoggle just like all "committee meetings" that somehow
always happen in exotic locations during the American Winter.

Standards committee meet in such exotic locations as Brussels. Berlin in
February is fun, too.
Click to expand...
Politically-based committees NEVER do.

Try Cancun, or Oahu, San Francisco, Vegas or some Greek Isle ;-)

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
 
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