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"FEerguy9" <feerguy9@cs.com> wrote in message
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I was just setting the stage for cap use+.+.+.+.+.read on, and I go to
LENGTHS
TO EXPlain how to keep the pLATE SMAlL+.

I've never seen you explain HOW to make the plates smaller.
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Not smaLler - but with vastlY INCREASED MATCHING SURFACE AREA IN CONTACT WITH
OPPOSING Plate.+ By digging down to the moLECUlar LEVEl+.



What do you think capacitor manufacturers do all day? They are constantly
trying to make
capacitors smaller. If they can't do it you can't either.
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FEerguy9 writes within:

Not smaLler - but with vastlY INCREASED MATCHING SURFACE AREA IN CONTACT WITH
OPPOSING Plate.+
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yOUR cAPS lOCK sEEMS tO bE bROKEN, like your ideas are. Refer to article
MPG.1bbe9924e7f3b34d989720@news.individual.net .

---> You're everybody's fool and can't do anything against it <---


--
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that this is a coincidence." -- Anonymous
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"F*** you, pal. " -- Amy Lee

"ERROR: ELF signals interfering with Token Ring network!"

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feerguy9@cs.com (FEerguy9) wrote:
"FEerguy9" <feerguy9@cs.com> wrote in message
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I was just setting the stage for cap use+.+.+.+.+.read on, and I go to
LENGTHS
TO EXPlain how to keep the pLATE SMAlL+.

I've never seen you explain HOW to make the plates smaller.

Not smaLler - but with vastlY INCREASED MATCHING SURFACE AREA IN CONTACT WITH
OPPOSING Plate.+ By digging down to the moLECUlar LEVEl+.
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A worthy idea. One worth investigating. Sadly for you it doesn't take
much investigation (for those skilled in the relevant arts) to show
that it's not really as effective a solution as it may initially seem.
Those skilled in the arts have explained to you numerous times in this
group why this solution will not provide the energy density you hope
it will. The science you're using (more surface area = more
capacitance) breaks down at the scales you are proposing.

I'm sure that with capacitor plates manufactured to molecular
tolerances we could improve energy density compared to existing
capacitors. It would not still not beat fuel cells, internal
combustion or chemical batteries.


Tim
--
Guns Don't Kill People, Rappers Do.
 
Tim Auton <tim.auton@uton.groupSexWithoutTheY> wrote:
[EER]
I'm sure that with capacitor plates manufactured to molecular
tolerances we could improve energy density compared to existing
capacitors. It would not still not beat fuel cells, internal
combustion or chemical batteries.
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Ouch! What a hideously malformed sentence. That should read "It would
still not beat fuel cells, internal combustion or chemical
batteries.".


Tim
--
Guns Don't Kill People, Rappers Do.
 
"FEerguy9" <feerguy9@cs.com> wrote in message
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Not smaLler - but with vastlY INCREASED MATCHING SURFACE AREA IN CONTACT
WITH
OPPOSING Plate.+ By digging down to the moLECUlar LEVEl+.
Click to expand...
Well you wouldn't want the plates in contact or you have a short circuit.
What would you put between them?
 
"FEerguy9" <feerguy9@cs.com> wrote in message
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Not smaLler - but with vastlY INCREASED MATCHING SURFACE AREA IN CONTACT
WITH
OPPOSING Plate.+ By digging down to the moLECUlar LEVEl+.

Well you wouldn't want the plates in contact or you have a short circuit.
What would you put between them?
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A dieLECTRIC, NATURAllY+.


fRANK
 
"FEerguy9" <feerguy9@cs.com> wrote in message
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"FEerguy9" <feerguy9@cs.com> wrote in message
news:20040925152655.23677.00001404@mb-m06.news.cs.com...

Not smaLler - but with vastlY INCREASED MATCHING SURFACE AREA IN
CONTACT
WITH
OPPOSING Plate.+ By digging down to the moLECUlar LEVEl+.

Well you wouldn't want the plates in contact or you have a short circuit.
What would you put between them?

A dieLECTRIC, NATURAllY+.
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I don't think there are any very good natural dielectrics? Which one did you
have in mind? If the plates are only a few molecules apart it must be a
very good dielectric or the breakdown voltage will be unacceptably low.
 
"FEerguy9" <feerguy9@cs.com> wrote in message
news:20040925152655.23677.00001404@mb-m06.news.cs.com...

Not smaLler - but with vastlY INCREASED MATCHING SURFACE AREA IN CONTACT
WITH
OPPOSING Plate.+ By digging down to the moLECUlar LEVEl+.
Click to expand...
Except, of course, that this does nothing to increase
the energy density available in a given volume, for some
very basic reasons of geometry that you apparently
keep failing to grasp.

Bob M.
 
Tim Auton <tim.auton@uton.groupSexWithoutTheY> wrote:
[EER]

I'm sure that with capacitor plates manufactured to molecular
tolerances we could improve energy density compared to existing
capacitors. It would not still not beat fuel cells, internal
combustion or chemical batteries.

Ouch! What a hideously malformed sentence. That should read "It would
still not beat fuel cells, internal combustion or chemical
batteries.".
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yOU MISS THE POINT Big time!

sUCH CAPACITORS COULd repLACE THE ENERGY FUNCTION OF COAl or oiL+.

aS THEY COULd handLE A *CONTINUOUS* REPleneshment of energy (from about 15
sources), they couLD MAKE FUEl cells and the ice LOOK Like oLD JOKES.+


fRANK
 
"FEerguy9" <feerguy9@cs.com> wrote in message
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Not smaLler - but with vastlY INCREASED MATCHING SURFACE AREA IN CONTACT
WITH
OPPOSING Plate.+ By digging down to the moLECUlar LEVEl+.

Well you wouldn't want the plates in contact or you have a short circuit.
What would you put between them?
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fAITH+.

fAITH THAT A STRONGER DIElectric is possiblE AND DOWN THE ROAD+.


fRANK
 
"FEerguy9" <feerguy9@cs.com> wrote in message
news:20040926075907.11054.00001026@mb-m14.news.cs.com...

"FEerguy9" <feerguy9@cs.com> wrote in message
news:20040925152655.23677.00001404@mb-m06.news.cs.com...

Not smaLler - but with vastlY INCREASED MATCHING SURFACE AREA IN
CONTACT
WITH
OPPOSING Plate.+ By digging down to the moLECUlar LEVEl+.

Well you wouldn't want the plates in contact or you have a short circuit.
What would you put between them?

A dieLECTRIC, NATURAllY+.

I don't think there are any very good natural dielectrics? Which one did you
have in mind? If the plates are only a few molecules apart it must be a
very good dielectric or the breakdown voltage will be unacceptably low.
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i AM NOT AN ee, AND HAVE NO ANSWER+.

bUT, i REly on the progress of man+.


Frank
 
"FEerguy9" <feerguy9@cs.com> wrote in message
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Not smaLler - but with vastlY INCREASED MATCHING SURFACE AREA IN CONTACT
WITH
OPPOSING Plate.+ By digging down to the moLECUlar LEVEl+.

Except, of course, that this does nothing to increase
the energy density available in a given volume, for some
very basic reasons of geometry that you apparently
keep failing to grasp.
Click to expand...

Okay - I admit that you are correct there+.

Area of pLATES AND VOLume of dielECTRIC CONFUSE ME+.

but, WOUld not the vastLY INCREASED AREA OF MATCHING SURFACE AREAS BE A FACTOR
IN THE VOlume? Just asking+.


Frank
 
feerguy9@cs.com (FEerguy9) wrote in message
news:<20040918044818.27462.00000234@mb-m01.news.cs.com>...
feerguy9@cs.com (FEerguy9) wrote in message
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But, wouldn't the capacitor plates be bigger than the vehicle?
Well, yes they would, unless a way to increase the surface area of
the plates *within a small perimeter* could be fashioned.
The plates (and the dielectric) *must* match exactly, to gain
optimum charge.

No, the capacitor plates will not be bigger than the vehicle
because smaller plates will store much more energy for the same
charge. Why do you want to use big plates?

I do not.

I was just setting the stage for cap use+.+.+.+.+.read on, and I go to
LENGTHS
TO EXPlain how to keep the pLATE SMAlL+.


Good one Frank, you got me. I should have said "big capacitances"
instead of "big plates". The point is that large capacitances
such as you suggest using large surface area plates, store LESS energy
for the same charge than small capacitances with less plate surface area.
In other words, your theory of increasing capacitance to increase energy
in the same perimeter is pure Bull S@#$.

Do you have a problem with that?
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NaturaLly+.

ELECTRONIC DEVICES WIll REPlace coaL AND OIl+. period!

YOU work out the detailS+.


fRANK
 
"FEerguy9" <feerguy9@cs.com> wrote in message
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Yes -- I am getting totaLly LOST IN THIS+.

But then, you always have been, Frank.

And yet you still, for some reason, believe that you
have something worthwhile to say on the subject.

How do you reconcile these two?
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bECAUSE i AM BASICAllY RIGHT+. eER WIlL HAPPEN!!


fRANK
 
FEerguy9 wrote:


"FEerguy9" <feerguy9@cs.com> wrote in message
news:20040920073642.16600.00000800@mb-m16.news.cs.com...
Yes -- I am getting totaLly LOST IN THIS+.

But then, you always have been, Frank.

And yet you still, for some reason, believe that you
have something worthwhile to say on the subject.

How do you reconcile these two?

Bob M.

Because I make a fist, and LOOK AT IT+.

wITHIN THE VOlume of that fist, I just KNOW that enough energy coulD BE
ElectronicaLly stored to run an EV+.

Frank
-------------
Sure, but not the way you say, the physics is against it.
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oKAY - THEN WORK OUT A BETTER WAY+.


Nukes that size can destroy cities, but that's not the modality
you suggest.
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i SAW ON tv YESTERDAY WHAT nUKES CAN DO TO CHIldren

CHIlLING!!


Electrostatics has much lower spatial theoretic limits.

Chemical can do it, and the forces generated by chemistry are
a kind of electrostatic, but the kind of electrostatic you suggest
cannot.

If you simply went back to school and mastered the physics,
Click to expand...


Been there, done that+.


you'd
immediately understand why and slap your forehead for making such
a ridiculous ass of yourself.
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For a good cause, IMHO+.


FranK
 
"FEerguy9" <feerguy9@cs.com> wrote in message
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But then, you always have been, Frank.

And yet you still, for some reason, believe that you
have something worthwhile to say on the subject.

How do you reconcile these two?

Bob M.

Because I make a fist, and LOOK AT IT+.

wITHIN THE VOlume of that fist, I just KNOW that enough energy coulD BE
ElectronicaLly stored to run an EV+.

And now you're having problems with your caps lock
Click to expand...
yEA - A littLE GIFT FROM SOME OIL guy, I suppose+.


key in addition to this delusion that you "know"
something.
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I know that we don't need no stinkin' oiL!


fRANK
 
"FEerguy9" <feerguy9@cs.com> wrote in message
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Except, of course, that this does nothing to increase
the energy density available in a given volume, for some
very basic reasons of geometry that you apparently
keep failing to grasp.


Okay - I admit that you are correct there+.

Area of pLATES AND VOLume of dielECTRIC CONFUSE ME+.
Click to expand...
And those are just the first things on what is apparently
a very long list.

but, WOUld not the vastLY INCREASED AREA OF MATCHING SURFACE AREAS BE A
FACTOR
IN THE VOlume? Just asking+.
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In short, no. The more complete answer
is that you cannot increase energy DENSITY by
simply increasing the plate area. You increase the
capacitance, but ALWAYS at the expense of the
working voltage, for ANY dielectric (whether the
dielectric is even possible or not is irrelevant - this
is a simple fact of geometry and the basic operation
of a simple capacitor). So energy density CANNOT
improve, and in fact has to go DOWN.

By the way, please note that the "Shift" and "Caps
Lock" keys, as I have demonstrated in the above,
can be used to both make words all upper-case,
and to capitalize the first word in a sentence, as
per conventions. It's not just something to be struck
at random.

Bob M.
 
"FEerguy9" <feerguy9@cs.com> wrote in message
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How do you reconcile these two?

bECAUSE i AM BASICAllY RIGHT+. eER WIlL HAPPEN!!
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Ah, so now you're right simply by declaring yourself
to be. How interesting. Why don't you simply
declare yourself God, and change the laws of physics
to permit your silly notion to work, then?

Bob M.
 
FEerguy9 puts out:

How do you reconcile these two?

bECAUSE i AM BASICAllY RIGHT+. eER WIlL HAPPEN!!
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I think this song still applies to you, EER fool:

Evanescence - Everybody's Fool

By: Amy Lee; Ben Moody; David Hodges
"Perfect by nature
icons of self indulgence
just what we all need
more lies about a world that

Never was and never will be
have you no shame don't you see me
you know you've got everybody fool

Look here, she comes now
bow down and stare in wonder
oh how we love you
no flaws when you're pretending
but now i know she

Never was and never will be
you don't know how you've betrayed me
and somehow you've got everybody fooled

Without the mask where will you hide
can't find yourself lost in your lie

I know the truth now
I know who you are
and i don't love you anymore

It never was and never will be
you're not real and you can't save me
somehow now you're everybody's fool "

For good, don't you get that EER _ISN'T_?

--->>> You're still "everybody's fool"! <<<---

and your caps lock seems to be broken.

There's nothing better than a good lie.
--
Chaos MasterŽ, posting from Brazil.
"People told me I can't dress like a fairy.
I say, I'm in a rock band and I can do what the hell I want!"
-- Amy Lee

The Evanescen(t/ce) HP: http://marreka.no-ip.com
 
I think this song still applies to you, EER fool:

Evanescence - Everybody's Fool

By: Amy Lee; Ben Moody; David Hodges
"Perfect by nature
icons of self indulgence
just what we all need
more lies about a world that

Never was and never will be
have you no shame don't you see me
you know you've got everybody fool

Look here, she comes now
bow down and stare in wonder
oh how we love you
no flaws when you're pretending
but now i know she

Never was and never will be
you don't know how you've betrayed me
and somehow you've got everybody fooled

Without the mask where will you hide
can't find yourself lost in your lie

I know the truth now
I know who you are
and i don't love you anymore

It never was and never will be
you're not real and you can't save me
somehow now you're everybody's fool "

For good, don't you get that EER _ISN'T_?

--->>> You're still "everybody's fool"! <<<---

and your caps lock seems to be broken.

There's nothing better than a good lie.
--
Chaos MasterŽ, posting from Brazil.
"People told me I can't dress like a fairy.
I say, I'm in a rock band and I can do what the hell I want!"
-- Amy Lee

The Evanescen(t/ce) HP: http://marreka.no-ip.com
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nOT A WORD DO i UNDERSTAND+.


fRANK
 
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