EAGLE Netlist conversion

"Pooh Bear" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Robert Hoffman wrote:

Is there ANYTHING out there that:....... is written in American English

Anything wrong with English English ?


Graham

It would seem the gent likes to spell 'colour' as 'color' (It's the American
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way ya know).

--
Regards ........... Rheilly Phoull
 
Just because I'm not a great typast or speler or attentive to my
apostrophe's does not alter the basic issue. The customer is always
right. You don't design software to suit your own convenience, you
design it to satisfy the customer. Several companies are not going to
get the thousand bucks or so which I have budgeted for this software.
It's probably not a triviality to them. (When I deliver something, I
have someone who is better at grammar and spelling check it for me. I
design things; I don't write dictionaries.)

Terry Pinnell wrote:

I'd worry a bit more about your own spelling than trivialities like
'color' versus 'colour'.

--
Terry Pinnell
Hobbyist, West Sussex, UK
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"Jean T?r?metz" <jean.teremetz@free.fr> wrote in message
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Posted, nothing of value.
 
"Thaas" <mysig@sprynet.com> wrote in message
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<snip>
Try Fanix Software's AsUType at http://www.asutype.com
--
Thaas
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A spammer?

Most spelling checkers are free. Many are built into the NG reader.

Trying to sell a POS add on is not helpfull!
 
"Pooh Bear" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Robert Hoffman wrote:
Is there ANYTHING out there that:....... is written in American English
Anything wrong with English English ?
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Other than hard to decipher?
 
"Terry Pinnell" <terrypinDELETE@THESEdial.pipex.com> wrote in message
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Contributed nothing to the thread.
 
"Robert Hoffman" <bob@_I_Get_too_much_spam.com> wrote in message
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Very nice. I had not found that page. I've looked at about half of
those so far. I've found many where I can't understand how they could
sell a single copy. Terrible. A couple that I don't really like but I
could maybe live with. I'll sort through the rest today. Thanks.
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Robert -

Any chance you can post some brief comments and complaints about the
packages you've looked at?

Rob
 
Clarence,

"Posted, nothing of value."

Clarence ,what is your point? Think about it, what value are
you adding?

My Asbestos underwear is on, I'm ready.

--
Sincerely,
Brad Velander


"Clarence" <no@No.com> wrote in message
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"Jean T?r?metz" <jean.teremetz@free.fr> wrote in message
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Posted, nothing of value.
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"Brad Velander" <SpamThis@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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Clarence,

"Posted, nothing of value."
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A clear understanding of the value of the link....

I have recieved enough feed back to establish that my posting was apreciated.
 
"Thaas" <mysig@sprynet.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 16:47:44 GMT, "Clarence" <no@No.com> wrote:


"Thaas" <mysig@sprynet.com> wrote in message
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snip

Try Fanix Software's AsUType at http://www.asutype.com
--
Thaas

A spammer?
Most spelling checkers are free. Many are built into the NG reader.
Trying to sell a POS add on is not helpfull!

No. I'm a user. I like it. If you think it's a piece of shit, don't
use it.
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You didn't say why you recommended it in your response.

I do not like it, and will not use it.
However, thank you for the recommendation.
 
So your posting with no intrinsic value is OK but someone else's
is not. Interesting view.

If someone has read the prior post then they can judge the value
of that post without your guidance or superior judgement. Do they
have to also read another no value post from you just to know
that the previous post had no value?

Seems you practice hypocrisy at the highest practical levels.
--
Sincerely,
Brad Velander

"Clarence" <no@No.com> wrote in message
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"Brad Velander" <SpamThis@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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Clarence,

"Posted, nothing of value."



A clear understanding of the value of the link....

I have recieved enough feed back to establish that my posting
was apreciated.
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Wow the super enlightened and holier than thou Clarence speaks.

Hypocrisy? Where, how? Please support your allegations with
some fact?

Top posting, Bottom posting, some authoritative, credulous,
reference please. Then maybe you might point out that reference
to Microsoft so that they can correct the default behavoir of
their software.

--
Sincerely,
Brad Velander

"Clarence" <no@No.com> wrote in message
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More useless drivel!

Also, top posting is not appropriate.

But I am an amateur at hypocrisy, I'm studying with masters
like yourself!
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Clarence wrote:
"Brad Velander" <SpamThis@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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Clarence,

"Posted, nothing of value."



A clear understanding of the value of the link....

I have recieved enough feed back to establish that my posting was
apreciated.
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Oh? And exactly where would feedback would this be? I see none. Only
compliants on your completely pointless post.

Kevin Aylward
salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk
http://www.anasoft.co.uk
SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode
Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture,
Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design.
 
"Kevin Aylward" <salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk> wrote in message
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Clarence wrote:
"Brad Velander" <SpamThis@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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Clarence,

"Posted, nothing of value."



A clear understanding of the value of the link....

I have recieved enough feed back to establish that my posting was
apreciated.

Oh? And exactly where would feedback would this be? I see none. Only
compliants on your completely pointless post.

Kevin Aylward
salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk
http://www.anasoft.co.uk
SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode
Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture,
Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design.
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Heh, Clarence's postings are 'pegging' my 'wally meter", I'll have to shunt
it :)

--
Regards ........... Rheilly Phoull
 
It will take me a while, but I can probably come up with a review
chart. I'm sure I have not looked at every possible CAD package, but I
have looked at many. I'm not an amateur at this; I've been laying out
boards for a good 30 years, starting with tape and dots and rubylith. I
use AutoCad now. My expectations are different for software intended
for hobby, student, single-user and enterprise. I basically ignored the
hobby and student versions. I have no need or budget for the enterprise
packages. Altium and the other packages that cost several thousand
dollars per seat are outside my envelope. The free packages which are
tied to specific PC board houses are not useful to me. I need the
option of placing my order with whichever company I choose. I do more
precision analog than digital so the autorouter is not as important to
me. I don't do too many buried vias or boards over 8 layers. I think it
is perfectly reasonable that packages for my requirements should be
under $1000.

Software should be intuitive. Several companies try to sell packages
with DOS heritage. They simply stitch together a bunch of obsolete junk
with a top-level menu and no integration. Or, their user interface is
so complicated that it takes several minutes of clicking around to find
how to insert a part.

Several companies think that colored lines on a black background are
acceptable. Very hard to read. I prefer a white background. Many like
to use a vast number of very small icons. Even on a 21 inch monitor
they are almost unreadable.

Several companies (like Eagle) make very poor use of the mouse. Windows
software needs to conform to the Windows standard. Left-click to
select, right-click for properties and actions. Virtually all actions
in a CAD program should be available from only the mouse buttons. You
should never have to go up to a button bar for delete, move, mirror,
etc.

Some have poor licensing options. Boardmaker wants you to pay a yearly
license fee. Their option for a permanent license is expensive. Some
have serial numbers that are keyed to a specific computer. I don't mind
a hardware "dongle", but I don't want to pay another fee just to move
the package to another computer. I need to be able to upgrade and
reconfigure my hardware as necessary. The company needs to be stable so
I can get support if necessary. I'd be reluctant to buy from someone
operating from their garage.

The only one so far that seems pretty reasonable is Easy-PC. It has
better functionality and features than even some of the really expensive
packages. There are a few quirks but it seems like a good value and I'm
going to buy a copy. I don't have time to survey every package on the
market. It runs close to $2,000 if you buy all the pieces, but you can
get get a pin-limited version for just schematics and boards for under
$200. Their integrated SPICE is nice. They have an interesting filter
design module. Expanded libraries, a more sophisticated autotouter and
a Gerber import module are also extra cost. The full-up schematic and
PCB part without the extras is about $800. I'm going to get everything
except the fancier autorouter. They don't seem to advertise very well.
When I do internet searches a lot of really cruddy packages show up.
They would do well to pay the fee and get themselves listed as a
sponsored link on Google. They also have no on-line ordering. I expect
they could sell a lot more copies if they addressed those two issues.


Robert Sefton wrote:
Robert -

Any chance you can post some brief comments and complaints about the
packages you've looked at?

Rob
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"Robert Hoffman" <bob@_I_Get_too_much_spam.com> wrote in message
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It will take me a while, but I can probably come up with a review
chart. I'm sure I have not looked at every possible CAD package, but I
have looked at many. I'm not an amateur at this; I've been laying out
boards for a good 30 years, starting with tape and dots and rubylith. I
use AutoCad now. My expectations are different for software intended
for hobby, student, single-user and enterprise. I basically ignored the
hobby and student versions. I have no need or budget for the enterprise
packages. Altium and the other packages that cost several thousand
dollars per seat are outside my envelope. The free packages which are
tied to specific PC board houses are not useful to me. I need the
option of placing my order with whichever company I choose. I do more
precision analog than digital so the autorouter is not as important to
me. I don't do too many buried vias or boards over 8 layers. I think it
is perfectly reasonable that packages for my requirements should be
under $1000.

Software should be intuitive. Several companies try to sell packages
with DOS heritage. They simply stitch together a bunch of obsolete junk
with a top-level menu and no integration. Or, their user interface is
so complicated that it takes several minutes of clicking around to find
how to insert a part.

Several companies think that colored lines on a black background are
acceptable. Very hard to read. I prefer a white background. Many like
to use a vast number of very small icons. Even on a 21 inch monitor
they are almost unreadable.

Several companies (like Eagle) make very poor use of the mouse. Windows
software needs to conform to the Windows standard. Left-click to
select, right-click for properties and actions. Virtually all actions
in a CAD program should be available from only the mouse buttons. You
should never have to go up to a button bar for delete, move, mirror,
etc.

Some have poor licensing options. Boardmaker wants you to pay a yearly
license fee. Their option for a permanent license is expensive. Some
have serial numbers that are keyed to a specific computer. I don't mind
a hardware "dongle", but I don't want to pay another fee just to move
the package to another computer. I need to be able to upgrade and
reconfigure my hardware as necessary. The company needs to be stable so
I can get support if necessary. I'd be reluctant to buy from someone
operating from their garage.

The only one so far that seems pretty reasonable is Easy-PC. It has
better functionality and features than even some of the really expensive
packages. There are a few quirks but it seems like a good value and I'm
going to buy a copy. I don't have time to survey every package on the
market. It runs close to $2,000 if you buy all the pieces, but you can
get get a pin-limited version for just schematics and boards for under
$200. Their integrated SPICE is nice. They have an interesting filter
design module. Expanded libraries, a more sophisticated autotouter and
a Gerber import module are also extra cost. The full-up schematic and
PCB part without the extras is about $800. I'm going to get everything
except the fancier autorouter. They don't seem to advertise very well.
When I do internet searches a lot of really cruddy packages show up.
They would do well to pay the fee and get themselves listed as a
sponsored link on Google. They also have no on-line ordering. I expect
they could sell a lot more copies if they addressed those two issues.
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EasyPC is a good choice - I used it for years before Pulsonix became
available (it's basically the same company).

If you subsequently move up to Pulsonix, it imports EasyPC designs without
any problems.

Leon
 
Nice page!

Here are a couple more...

http://www.eedesign.com/resources/opensourcelinks.html

http://www.handyarchive.com/free/eda

-- Colin


"Brad Velander" <SpamThis@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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see Terry's page at:

http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/terrypin/ECADList.html

--
Sincerely,
Brad Velander
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Quoting Robert Hoffman [bob@_I_Get_too_much_spam.com], that posted to
sci.electronics.cad on Mon, 18 Oct 2004 07:32:08 -0400 under article
<4173A9B8.B04F4717@_I_Get_too_much_spam.com>:
It will take me a while, but I can probably come up with a review
chart. I'm sure I have not looked at every possible CAD package, but I
have looked at many.
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I have evaluated various electronics CAD package, to find one that I like, I
ended up with EAGLE for schematic/PCB and LTSpice for simulation.

My experiences have been good only with a few packages, e.g. EAGLE, LTSpice,
gEDA, SIMetrix, and other programs were not bad, like PSpice.

But other programs where bad, like QCAD (http://www.winqcad.com) and 5Spice
(http://www.5spice.com)!


[]s
--
Chaos MasterŽ, posting from Brazil.
"I know the difference between myself and my reflection. "
-- Evanescence, "Breathe No More"
http://marreka.no-ip.com | http://tinyurl.com/46vru | http://renan182.no-ip.org
 
Eagle does work, but I found it frustrating. Everybody has their own
style and I need something that fits how I work. Up to a point, I can
trade cost for efficiency. If it takes me a few hours less, its
definitely worth a couple hundred dollars more to me. Of all the
packages I downloaded and tried (at least 15), Easy PC was the only one
who sent me an Email asking if I liked it or had any questions. LTspice
is fantastic for the price (free). I still use it for quick jobs or when
using some linear technology parts.

Chaos Master wrote:
I have evaluated various electronics CAD package, to find one that I like, I
ended up with EAGLE for schematic/PCB and LTSpice for simulation.
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Robert Hoffman wrote:
I've been looking hard. I need a decent schematic and PCB package
under $1000. Don't need autorouter or a zillion layers. Do want back
annotation and ease of use. I've downloaded a dozen demo packages.
The software all seems to be written by people with exceptional
eyesight, no fingers, a poor grasp of the English language, little
understanding of Windows conventions, and have never actually
designed a PC board. They mostly have 300 little tiny unreadable
icons and no clue that clicking the left mouse button should select
something and the right button should offer a list of things to do
with it. A good few do not use the mouse buttons at all. Pretty much
without exception the software is expensive and very poorly written.
I can draw schematics and boards faster and easier in Autocad, which
is what I do now.

Is there ANYTHING out there that: actually correctly uses the mouse,
has working popup help on the buttons, is written in American English
(no "colours" please), is readable by somebody without super-human
eyesight and does 95% of everything with only the mouse buttons like
it should. Double-click to change properties, right-click to rotate,
mirror, swap, delete, add, cut, etc. I don't want something I have
to fight with.
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SuperSpice essentially does this, unfortunately its not PCB, only
simulation. However, you would be out of luck even in SS for "colour".

It nice to actually have someone note that programs should follow
windows standards. Its something I personally find indispensable. Where
SS adds to Windows conventions is the obvious recognition that you don't
need to type letters on a schematic page, therefore mirror rotate and
flip are simple m, r, f without the ctrl, in addition to right mouse
access for these features.



Kevin Aylward
salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk
http://www.anasoft.co.uk
SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode
Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture,
Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design.
 
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