Driver to drive?

[Wally W.]

Isn't worldwide population reduction one of the lefts' ultimate goals?

You know, save the earth.

Yes, they even wrote this goal in stone. Just google "Georgia
Guidestones". Someone with a lot of money put up those stones.

Their goal is to reduce the human population to just half a billion
people, so 6.5 billion people are to be eliminated.

No, they don't want the smart ones - they want the subservient ones.

I doubt they have worked this out well.

Surely, they would want the best of health care and many toys, both
require substantial technology bases. Then there would be
entertainment of various types: movies, concerts, multiple TV
channels, literature. Transportation, building, agriculture, energy
production, resource acquistion (don't say "mining" to a greenie)
would all need workers. Not to mention protection from all the
wildlife the weasels admire from afar. Many specialists would be
unsustainable. The shining lights who are one in a billion now
wouldn't exist in their "paradise."

I question whether the world the monsters say they want could be
maintained with 500 million people.

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

"Wally W." wrote:

Isn't worldwide population reduction one of the lefts' ultimate goals?

You know, save the earth.

Yes, they even wrote this goal in stone. Just google "Georgia
Guidestones". Someone with a lot of money put up those stones.

Their goal is to reduce the human population to just half a billion
people, so 6.5 billion people are to be eliminated.

No, they don't want the smart ones - they want the subservient ones.

I doubt they have worked this out well.

Surely, they would want the best of health care and many toys, both
require substantial technology bases. Then there would be
entertainment of various types: movies, concerts, multiple TV
channels, literature. Transportation, building, agriculture, energy
production, resource acquistion (don't say "mining" to a greenie)
would all need workers. Not to mention protection from all the
wildlife the weasels admire from afar. Many specialists would be
unsustainable. The shining lights who are one in a billion now
wouldn't exist in their "paradise."

I question whether the world the monsters say they want could be
maintained with 500 million people.

If they die, they die.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 00:29:08 -0500, Wally W. wrote:

Isn't worldwide population reduction one of the lefts' ultimate goals?

You know, save the earth.

Yes, they even wrote this goal in stone. Just google "Georgia
Guidestones". Someone with a lot of money put up those stones.

Their goal is to reduce the human population to just half a billion
people, so 6.5 billion people are to be eliminated.

No, they don't want the smart ones - they want the subservient ones.

I doubt they have worked this out well.

Surely, they would want the best of health care and many toys, both
require substantial technology bases. Then there would be entertainment
of various types: movies, concerts, multiple TV channels, literature.
Transportation, building, agriculture, energy production, resource
acquistion (don't say "mining" to a greenie) would all need workers. Not
to mention protection from all the wildlife the weasels admire from
afar. Many specialists would be unsustainable. The shining lights who
are one in a billion now wouldn't exist in their "paradise."

I question whether the world the monsters say they want could be
maintained with 500 million people.

The number of people who contribute to technology and science is a small.

Consider that entire populations in the world contribute very little to
the well being of the super rich - say the entire population of Africa,
India, and California.

 

[Wally W.]

On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 10:49:00 -0600, Marvin the Martian wrote:

On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 00:29:08 -0500, Wally W. wrote:

Isn't worldwide population reduction one of the lefts' ultimate goals?

You know, save the earth.

Yes, they even wrote this goal in stone. Just google "Georgia
Guidestones". Someone with a lot of money put up those stones.

Their goal is to reduce the human population to just half a billion
people, so 6.5 billion people are to be eliminated.

No, they don't want the smart ones - they want the subservient ones.

I doubt they have worked this out well.

Surely, they would want the best of health care and many toys, both
require substantial technology bases. Then there would be entertainment
of various types: movies, concerts, multiple TV channels, literature.
Transportation, building, agriculture, energy production, resource
acquistion (don't say "mining" to a greenie) would all need workers. Not
to mention protection from all the wildlife the weasels admire from
afar. Many specialists would be unsustainable. The shining lights who
are one in a billion now wouldn't exist in their "paradise."

I question whether the world the monsters say they want could be
maintained with 500 million people.


The number of people who contribute to technology and science is a small.

There would be fewer without the infrastructure to allow the ones who
do contribute to technology and science.

If those who do contribute to technology and science had to spend more
time doing laundy, mowing the grass, and shoveling snow, they would
produce less technology and science. They would have less time and
less energy to do so.

As the productivity of tech/science sources diminished, the advances
and maintenance in the medical care and toys of the super rich would
diminish.

The level of technology in use would spiral downward due to lack of
sustainability.

The world created (or stolen) by those who worship at the altar of
sustainability would be unsustainable.

Consider that entire populations in the world contribute very little to
the well being of the super rich - say the entire population of Africa,
India, and California.

To the extent that it is true (and I am not fully conceding that it
is), it doesn't extend to 6.5 / 7 = 93% of the world population.

What about the shining light who was one in a billion and came from
Africa?

We can't know who in the world is expendable:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih7zP-ptTmA
The Butterfly Effect - Part 3
Especially starting at time stamp 7:10

 

[benj]

On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 22:48:24 -0500, Wally W. wrote:

On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 10:49:00 -0600, Marvin the Martian wrote:

On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 00:29:08 -0500, Wally W. wrote:

Consider that entire populations in the world contribute very little to
the well being of the super rich - say the entire population of Africa,
India, and California.

To the extent that it is true (and I am not fully conceding that it is),
it doesn't extend to 6.5 / 7 = 93% of the world population.

Well, yes, but the invention of AIDS has done remarkable things toward
the goals in both Africa AND California! India seems to be dealing with
it's own positive feedback meltdown.

What about the shining light who was one in a billion and came from
Africa?

Why given the new powers, HE is the one who will decide who lives and
dies!

We can't know who in the world is expendable:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih7zP-ptTmA The Butterfly Effect - Part 3
Especially starting at time stamp 7:10

And this is the problem with Eugenics. The Malthusian theory is that if
you need to depopulate the earth, one might as well get rid of the
undesirables first. The only problem with this idea is that under such a
program Tesla, Edison, Steinmetz, Hawking and so many others would have
all been killed. Hitler, of course, after learning of American Eugenics
theories became a HUGE fan, setting up gas chambers complete with fake
showerheads etc, but logical thinking was never his strong suite. So he
kicked all the Jews out of the Reich and they all went to America where
as Rectal Swartz would say there was the Manhattan project with more Jews
per square meter than anywhere in the world assuring that even had he WON
the battle of the bulge, his wondrous Reich would have still ended up
toast.

Point being that trying to get rid of "undesirables" is just as likely to
get rid of your salvation, because you can't really tell just WHO will
eventually come up with something really important.

 

[Wally W.]

On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 06:39:27 GMT, benj wrote:

Point being that trying to get rid of "undesirables" is just as likely to
get rid of your salvation, because you can't really tell just WHO will
eventually come up with something really important.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+1:46&version=KJV
Can there any good thing come out of Nazareth?

 

[PowderedToastMan]

On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 09:32:44 -0500, Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote:

On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 06:39:27 GMT, benj wrote:

Point being that trying to get rid of "undesirables" is just as likely to
get rid of your salvation, because you can't really tell just WHO will
eventually come up with something really important.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+1:46&version=KJV
Can there any good thing come out of Nazareth?

Come and see.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 22:48:24 -0500, Wally W. wrote:

On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 10:49:00 -0600, Marvin the Martian wrote:

On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 00:29:08 -0500, Wally W. wrote:

Isn't worldwide population reduction one of the lefts' ultimate
goals?

You know, save the earth.

Yes, they even wrote this goal in stone. Just google "Georgia
Guidestones". Someone with a lot of money put up those stones.

Their goal is to reduce the human population to just half a billion
people, so 6.5 billion people are to be eliminated.

No, they don't want the smart ones - they want the subservient ones.

I doubt they have worked this out well.

Surely, they would want the best of health care and many toys, both
require substantial technology bases. Then there would be
entertainment of various types: movies, concerts, multiple TV
channels, literature. Transportation, building, agriculture, energy
production, resource acquistion (don't say "mining" to a greenie)
would all need workers. Not to mention protection from all the
wildlife the weasels admire from afar. Many specialists would be
unsustainable. The shining lights who are one in a billion now
wouldn't exist in their "paradise."

I question whether the world the monsters say they want could be
maintained with 500 million people.


The number of people who contribute to technology and science is a
small.

There would be fewer without the infrastructure to allow the ones who do
contribute to technology and science.

If those who do contribute to technology and science had to spend more
time doing laundy, mowing the grass, and shoveling snow, they would
produce less technology and science. They would have less time and less
energy to do so.

As the productivity of tech/science sources diminished, the advances and
maintenance in the medical care and toys of the super rich would
diminish.

The level of technology in use would spiral downward due to lack of
sustainability.

The world created (or stolen) by those who worship at the altar of
sustainability would be unsustainable.

Consider that entire populations in the world contribute very little to
the well being of the super rich - say the entire population of Africa,
India, and California.

To the extent that it is true (and I am not fully conceding that it is),
it doesn't extend to 6.5 / 7 = 93% of the world population.

What about the shining light who was one in a billion and came from
Africa?

We can't know who in the world is expendable:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih7zP-ptTmA The Butterfly Effect - Part 3
Especially starting at time stamp 7:10

The people who decided that they can well do away with 6.5 billion people
are those who attend Bilderberg, Bohemian Grove, Trilateral commission
and other such meetings.

I'm not saying the Georgia Guidestone folks are right. I'm saying they
believe they can live quite well with just half a billion servants. If
they can implement their plan, we won't be around to say "I told you so!"

If one could identify (or breed, or genetically select or even
genetically design) brilliant people and raise them in a culture that
valued science and kept them in collaborative groups; I don't doubt that
you could produce just as much science and useful technology as we have
today with 7 billion people. And since you KNOW who these future
scientist are going to be, you can provide them so they need not waste
their time and focus on the mundane chores of living.

Interesting you tube video. I hate videos. Videos are for people who
can't read. I can't accept his thesis of "butterfly effect" because he's
trying to string together random events - but if no those random events
there would simply be other random events.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 06:39:27 +0000, benj wrote:

On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 22:48:24 -0500, Wally W. wrote:

On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 10:49:00 -0600, Marvin the Martian wrote:

On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 00:29:08 -0500, Wally W. wrote:

Consider that entire populations in the world contribute very little to
the well being of the super rich - say the entire population of Africa,
India, and California.

To the extent that it is true (and I am not fully conceding that it
is),
it doesn't extend to 6.5 / 7 = 93% of the world population.

Well, yes, but the invention of AIDS has done remarkable things toward
the goals in both Africa AND California! India seems to be dealing with
it's own positive feedback meltdown.

What about the shining light who was one in a billion and came from
Africa?

Why given the new powers, HE is the one who will decide who lives and
dies!

We can't know who in the world is expendable:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih7zP-ptTmA The Butterfly Effect - Part
3 Especially starting at time stamp 7:10

And this is the problem with Eugenics. The Malthusian theory is that if
you need to depopulate the earth, one might as well get rid of the
undesirables first. The only problem with this idea is that under such a
program Tesla, Edison, Steinmetz, Hawking and so many others would have
all been killed. Hitler, of course, after learning of American Eugenics
theories became a HUGE fan, setting up gas chambers complete with fake
showerheads etc, but logical thinking was never his strong suite. So he
kicked all the Jews out of the Reich and they all went to America where
as Rectal Swartz would say there was the Manhattan project with more
Jews per square meter than anywhere in the world assuring that even had
he WON the battle of the bulge, his wondrous Reich would have still
ended up toast.

Point being that trying to get rid of "undesirables" is just as likely
to get rid of your salvation, because you can't really tell just WHO
will eventually come up with something really important.

I'm not going to address the history issues raised there, though I
disagree on several points.

Nor am I saying that whomever put up the Georgia Guidestones is a good
person - genocide of 93% of the human race is unspeakably evil.

I'm not even saying that their plan will work.

I'm playing devil's advocate and pointing out HOW they could make it
work. :-D The things that lead to scientific and technological
advancement are freedom from the mundane chores necessary for living, and
collaboration with intelligent folks of a similar mindset.

RIGHT NOW, our culture does not value those with intelligence. The
intelligent are derided as geeks. They're actually LOOKED DOWN UPON. The
intelligent once were heroes and had fans like Rock stars. No matter what
you think of Einstein, he was a rock star of his day, a hero to many
(which is what made him so damned destructive!) and was doing things like
dating Marilyn Monroe. Today? Not so much and only within their own
community.

So, change the culture, provide the intelligent a living, and place them
where they can work together - and you can finance all that by disposing
of the "worthless eaters". To put it in harsh terms, we spend a lot of
money and resources feeding people who, once fed, only produce more
mouths to feed. Since they don't value science and technology, and they
certainly aren't producing universities for the intelligent to
collaborate or even removing the yoke of the mundane chores of living, I
suspect they will get more out of concentrating on a few than are lost
from a few chance outstanding people arising from the billions.

 

[George Orr]

On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 09:26:08 -0600, Marvin the Martian
<marvin@ontomars.org> wrote:

The people who decided that they can well do away with 6.5 billion people
are those who attend Bilderberg, Bohemian Grove, Trilateral commission
and other such meetings.

Can you change the present/future? (note the nym this was posted with)

 

[Wally W.]

On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 09:41:07 -0600, Marvin the Martian wrote:

Nor am I saying that whomever put up the Georgia Guidestones is a good
person - genocide of 93% of the human race is unspeakably evil.

I'm not even saying that their plan will work.

I'm playing devil's advocate and pointing out HOW they could make it
work. :-D

I don't think it *can* work.

The things that lead to scientific and technological
advancement are freedom from the mundane chores necessary for living, and
collaboration with intelligent folks of a similar mindset.

RIGHT NOW, our culture does not value those with intelligence. The
intelligent are derided as geeks. They're actually LOOKED DOWN UPON. The
intelligent once were heroes and had fans like Rock stars. No matter what
you think of Einstein, he was a rock star of his day, a hero to many
(which is what made him so damned destructive!) and was doing things like
dating Marilyn Monroe. Today? Not so much and only within their own
community.

So, change the culture, provide the intelligent a living, and place them
where they can work together - and you can finance all that by disposing
of the "worthless eaters". To put it in harsh terms, we spend a lot of
money and resources feeding people who, once fed, only produce more
mouths to feed.

Among those "more mouths to feed" is an occasional outlier.

And all those "more mouths to feed" are human beings with a birthright
to dignity.

Since they don't value science and technology,

Which is not the highest value in all contexts.

and they
certainly aren't producing universities for the intelligent to
collaborate or even removing the yoke of the mundane chores of living,

Many who don't "value science and technology" are "removing the yoke
of the mundane chores of living" from *someone* every day.

I
suspect they will get more out of concentrating on a few than are lost
from a few chance outstanding people arising from the billions.

That can't be known. History seems to suggest otherwise.

The top-level control you suggest is ultimately destructive.

Their "Utopia" would not be safe from revolution without it.

Most people don't engrave their brain farts on stone as a shrine.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 11:03:36 -0500, Wally W. wrote:

On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 09:41:07 -0600, Marvin the Martian wrote:

Nor am I saying that whomever put up the Georgia Guidestones is a good
person - genocide of 93% of the human race is unspeakably evil.

I'm not even saying that their plan will work.

I'm playing devil's advocate and pointing out HOW they could make it
work. :-D

I don't think it *can* work.

I know you don't.

I don't know that the globalist are going to do it right.

Since they want subservient people, I very seriously doubt it.

The things that lead to scientific and technological advancement are
freedom from the mundane chores necessary for living, and collaboration
with intelligent folks of a similar mindset.

RIGHT NOW, our culture does not value those with intelligence. The
intelligent are derided as geeks. They're actually LOOKED DOWN UPON. The
intelligent once were heroes and had fans like Rock stars. No matter
what you think of Einstein, he was a rock star of his day, a hero to
many (which is what made him so damned destructive!) and was doing
things like dating Marilyn Monroe. Today? Not so much and only within
their own community.

So, change the culture, provide the intelligent a living, and place them
where they can work together - and you can finance all that by disposing
of the "worthless eaters". To put it in harsh terms, we spend a lot of
money and resources feeding people who, once fed, only produce more
mouths to feed.

Among those "more mouths to feed" is an occasional outlier.

It becomes a mathematical problem:
Do you get more breakthroughs by having 10x the number of people and
leaving it to chance?

Or do you get more breakthroughs by changing the culture and creating an
environment where people can collaborate and focus on the science and
technology. The early Silicon Valley of California is an example of this:
the technological employees were well paid, got educational benefits, and
were close enough to collaborate.

The book "Human Achievement" gives many other examples of this.

There are LOTS of smart people out there - but they are often so busy
trying to make ends meet and they're so spread out that they never reach
their full potential.

And all those "more mouths to feed" are human beings with a birthright
to dignity.

Peace. I said they were evil.

Since they don't value science and technology,

Which is not the highest value in all contexts.

Thanks for supporting my point. :-D

The whole reason WHY there are 7 billion people on the planet rather than
humans being nearly extinct cheetah kibble is because of science and
technology. Science and technology is what makes us HUMAN, yet we have
"Olympics" that value our pathetic ANIMAL abilities, and our heroes are
athletes and rocks stars and not scientists and engineers.

It was the Roman engineers that made ROME possible. They designed the
aqueducts, they designed the all important sewer system without which a
large city like Rome wasn't possible.

and they certainly aren't producing universities for the intelligent to
collaborate or even removing the yoke of the mundane chores of living,

Many who don't "value science and technology" are "removing the yoke of
the mundane chores of living" from *someone* every day.

Yeah. They provide a nice living for dictators and bankers and globalist
who put up the Georgia Guidestones, so they can focus on murdering 6.5
billion people - Obama's "science Czar" is one of the architects of this
genocidal insanity.

I
suspect they will get more out of concentrating on a few than are lost
from a few chance outstanding people arising from the billions.

That can't be known. History seems to suggest otherwise.

It's just the mathematics of probability.

The top-level control you suggest is ultimately destructive.

Their "Utopia" would not be safe from revolution without it.

Most people don't engrave their brain farts on stone as a shrine.

 

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 09:41:07 -0600, Marvin the Martian
<marvin@ontomars.org> wrote:

On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 06:39:27 +0000, benj wrote:

On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 22:48:24 -0500, Wally W. wrote:

On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 10:49:00 -0600, Marvin the Martian wrote:

On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 00:29:08 -0500, Wally W. wrote:

Consider that entire populations in the world contribute very little to
the well being of the super rich - say the entire population of Africa,
India, and California.

To the extent that it is true (and I am not fully conceding that it
is),
it doesn't extend to 6.5 / 7 = 93% of the world population.

Well, yes, but the invention of AIDS has done remarkable things toward
the goals in both Africa AND California! India seems to be dealing with
it's own positive feedback meltdown.

What about the shining light who was one in a billion and came from
Africa?

Why given the new powers, HE is the one who will decide who lives and
dies!

We can't know who in the world is expendable:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih7zP-ptTmA The Butterfly Effect - Part
3 Especially starting at time stamp 7:10

And this is the problem with Eugenics. The Malthusian theory is that if
you need to depopulate the earth, one might as well get rid of the
undesirables first. The only problem with this idea is that under such a
program Tesla, Edison, Steinmetz, Hawking and so many others would have
all been killed. Hitler, of course, after learning of American Eugenics
theories became a HUGE fan, setting up gas chambers complete with fake
showerheads etc, but logical thinking was never his strong suite. So he
kicked all the Jews out of the Reich and they all went to America where
as Rectal Swartz would say there was the Manhattan project with more
Jews per square meter than anywhere in the world assuring that even had
he WON the battle of the bulge, his wondrous Reich would have still
ended up toast.

Point being that trying to get rid of "undesirables" is just as likely
to get rid of your salvation, because you can't really tell just WHO
will eventually come up with something really important.

I'm not going to address the history issues raised there, though I
disagree on several points.

Nor am I saying that whomever put up the Georgia Guidestones is a good
person - genocide of 93% of the human race is unspeakably evil.

I'm not even saying that their plan will work.

I'm playing devil's advocate and pointing out HOW they could make it
work. :-D The things that lead to scientific and technological
advancement are freedom from the mundane chores necessary for living, and
collaboration with intelligent folks of a similar mindset.

RIGHT NOW, our culture does not value those with intelligence. The
intelligent are derided as geeks. They're actually LOOKED DOWN UPON.

Not around here. Geeks are hot stuff.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 09:10:44 -0800, John Larkin wrote:

On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 09:41:07 -0600, Marvin the Martian
marvin@ontomars.org> wrote:

On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 06:39:27 +0000, benj wrote:

On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 22:48:24 -0500, Wally W. wrote:

On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 10:49:00 -0600, Marvin the Martian wrote:

On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 00:29:08 -0500, Wally W. wrote:

Consider that entire populations in the world contribute very little
to the well being of the super rich - say the entire population of
Africa,
India, and California.

To the extent that it is true (and I am not fully conceding that it
is),
it doesn't extend to 6.5 / 7 = 93% of the world population.

Well, yes, but the invention of AIDS has done remarkable things toward
the goals in both Africa AND California! India seems to be dealing
with it's own positive feedback meltdown.

What about the shining light who was one in a billion and came from
Africa?

Why given the new powers, HE is the one who will decide who lives and
dies!

We can't know who in the world is expendable:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih7zP-ptTmA The Butterfly Effect -
Part 3 Especially starting at time stamp 7:10

And this is the problem with Eugenics. The Malthusian theory is that
if you need to depopulate the earth, one might as well get rid of the
undesirables first. The only problem with this idea is that under such
a program Tesla, Edison, Steinmetz, Hawking and so many others would
have all been killed. Hitler, of course, after learning of American
Eugenics theories became a HUGE fan, setting up gas chambers complete
with fake showerheads etc, but logical thinking was never his strong
suite. So he kicked all the Jews out of the Reich and they all went to
America where as Rectal Swartz would say there was the Manhattan
project with more Jews per square meter than anywhere in the world
assuring that even had he WON the battle of the bulge, his wondrous
Reich would have still ended up toast.

Point being that trying to get rid of "undesirables" is just as likely
to get rid of your salvation, because you can't really tell just WHO
will eventually come up with something really important.

I'm not going to address the history issues raised there, though I
disagree on several points.

Nor am I saying that whomever put up the Georgia Guidestones is a good
person - genocide of 93% of the human race is unspeakably evil.

I'm not even saying that their plan will work.

I'm playing devil's advocate and pointing out HOW they could make it
work. :-D The things that lead to scientific and technological
advancement are freedom from the mundane chores necessary for living,
and collaboration with intelligent folks of a similar mindset.

RIGHT NOW, our culture does not value those with intelligence. The
intelligent are derided as geeks. They're actually LOOKED DOWN UPON.

Not around here. Geeks are hot stuff.

The very term Geek is derisive and derogatory;

geek
geek geek (g[=e]k), n.
1. A performer in a carnival, often presented as a wild man,
who performs grotesquely disgusting acts, such as biting
the head off a live chicken or snake.
[PJC]

2. Hence: Any eccentric or strange person; an oddball; an
eccentric. [WordNet sense 1]
[PJC]

3. Hence: A student who is socially inept and a misfit in his
class, especially one who is an intellectual; a nerd; a
dork. [Informal]
[PJC]

4. Hence: An intellectually inclined person, especially one
who is interested in scientific or technical subjects; as,
a group of geeks wearing pocket protectors; -- originally
a deprecatory and contemptuous term, but in the 1990's,
with the increase in popularity of computers and the
frequency of accumulation of great wealth by computer
entrepreneurs, it has come to be used with noticeable
frequency by technically competent people to refer to
themselves, ironically and sometimes proudly. [Informal]
[PJC]

 

On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 11:22:04 -0600, Marvin the Martian
<marvin@ontomars.org> wrote:

On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 09:10:44 -0800, John Larkin wrote:

On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 09:41:07 -0600, Marvin the Martian
marvin@ontomars.org> wrote:

On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 06:39:27 +0000, benj wrote:

On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 22:48:24 -0500, Wally W. wrote:

On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 10:49:00 -0600, Marvin the Martian wrote:

On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 00:29:08 -0500, Wally W. wrote:

Consider that entire populations in the world contribute very little
to the well being of the super rich - say the entire population of
Africa,
India, and California.

To the extent that it is true (and I am not fully conceding that it
is),
it doesn't extend to 6.5 / 7 = 93% of the world population.

Well, yes, but the invention of AIDS has done remarkable things toward
the goals in both Africa AND California! India seems to be dealing
with it's own positive feedback meltdown.

What about the shining light who was one in a billion and came from
Africa?

Why given the new powers, HE is the one who will decide who lives and
dies!

We can't know who in the world is expendable:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih7zP-ptTmA The Butterfly Effect -
Part 3 Especially starting at time stamp 7:10

And this is the problem with Eugenics. The Malthusian theory is that
if you need to depopulate the earth, one might as well get rid of the
undesirables first. The only problem with this idea is that under such
a program Tesla, Edison, Steinmetz, Hawking and so many others would
have all been killed. Hitler, of course, after learning of American
Eugenics theories became a HUGE fan, setting up gas chambers complete
with fake showerheads etc, but logical thinking was never his strong
suite. So he kicked all the Jews out of the Reich and they all went to
America where as Rectal Swartz would say there was the Manhattan
project with more Jews per square meter than anywhere in the world
assuring that even had he WON the battle of the bulge, his wondrous
Reich would have still ended up toast.

Point being that trying to get rid of "undesirables" is just as likely
to get rid of your salvation, because you can't really tell just WHO
will eventually come up with something really important.

I'm not going to address the history issues raised there, though I
disagree on several points.

Nor am I saying that whomever put up the Georgia Guidestones is a good
person - genocide of 93% of the human race is unspeakably evil.

I'm not even saying that their plan will work.

I'm playing devil's advocate and pointing out HOW they could make it
work. :-D The things that lead to scientific and technological
advancement are freedom from the mundane chores necessary for living,
and collaboration with intelligent folks of a similar mindset.

RIGHT NOW, our culture does not value those with intelligence. The
intelligent are derided as geeks. They're actually LOOKED DOWN UPON.

Not around here. Geeks are hot stuff.

The very term Geek is derisive and derogatory;

Like many such terms ("nigger" being another), the targets of the
derision have taken the term for themselves, turning it into a self
proclaimed badge of honor. Most here are "geeks".

<obvious, snipped>

 

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 11:22:04 -0600, Marvin the Martian
<marvin@ontomars.org> wrote:

On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 09:10:44 -0800, John Larkin wrote:

On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 09:41:07 -0600, Marvin the Martian
marvin@ontomars.org> wrote:

On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 06:39:27 +0000, benj wrote:

On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 22:48:24 -0500, Wally W. wrote:

On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 10:49:00 -0600, Marvin the Martian wrote:

On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 00:29:08 -0500, Wally W. wrote:

Consider that entire populations in the world contribute very little
to the well being of the super rich - say the entire population of
Africa,
India, and California.

To the extent that it is true (and I am not fully conceding that it
is),
it doesn't extend to 6.5 / 7 = 93% of the world population.

Well, yes, but the invention of AIDS has done remarkable things toward
the goals in both Africa AND California! India seems to be dealing
with it's own positive feedback meltdown.

What about the shining light who was one in a billion and came from
Africa?

Why given the new powers, HE is the one who will decide who lives and
dies!

We can't know who in the world is expendable:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih7zP-ptTmA The Butterfly Effect -
Part 3 Especially starting at time stamp 7:10

And this is the problem with Eugenics. The Malthusian theory is that
if you need to depopulate the earth, one might as well get rid of the
undesirables first. The only problem with this idea is that under such
a program Tesla, Edison, Steinmetz, Hawking and so many others would
have all been killed. Hitler, of course, after learning of American
Eugenics theories became a HUGE fan, setting up gas chambers complete
with fake showerheads etc, but logical thinking was never his strong
suite. So he kicked all the Jews out of the Reich and they all went to
America where as Rectal Swartz would say there was the Manhattan
project with more Jews per square meter than anywhere in the world
assuring that even had he WON the battle of the bulge, his wondrous
Reich would have still ended up toast.

Point being that trying to get rid of "undesirables" is just as likely
to get rid of your salvation, because you can't really tell just WHO
will eventually come up with something really important.

I'm not going to address the history issues raised there, though I
disagree on several points.

Nor am I saying that whomever put up the Georgia Guidestones is a good
person - genocide of 93% of the human race is unspeakably evil.

I'm not even saying that their plan will work.

I'm playing devil's advocate and pointing out HOW they could make it
work. :-D The things that lead to scientific and technological
advancement are freedom from the mundane chores necessary for living,
and collaboration with intelligent folks of a similar mindset.

RIGHT NOW, our culture does not value those with intelligence. The
intelligent are derided as geeks. They're actually LOOKED DOWN UPON.

Not around here. Geeks are hot stuff.

The very term Geek is derisive and derogatory;

Not here, not any more. My designer glasses (bought at an outlet
store) are Geek brand.

I like this: "Women have no use for engineers except to marry them."

and "Geek: the kids you beat up in high school and you work for now."


Google geek and get up to date.

 

[Mahipal]

On Dec 29, 10:41 am, Marvin the Martian <mar...@ontomars.org> wrote:

On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 06:39:27 +0000, benj wrote:
On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 22:48:24 -0500, Wally W. wrote:

On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 10:49:00 -0600, Marvin the Martian wrote:

On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 00:29:08 -0500, Wally W. wrote:

Consider that entire populations in the world contribute very little to
the well being of the super rich - say the entire population of Africa,
India, and California.

To the extent that it is true (and I am not fully conceding that it
is),
it doesn't extend to 6.5 / 7 =  93% of the world population.

Well, yes, but the invention of AIDS has done remarkable things toward
the goals in both Africa AND California!  India seems to be dealing with
it's own positive feedback meltdown.

What about the shining light who was one in a billion and came from
Africa?

Why given the new powers, HE is the one who will decide who lives and
dies!

We can't know who in the world is expendable:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih7zP-ptTmAThe Butterfly Effect - Part
3 Especially starting at time stamp 7:10

And this is the problem with Eugenics. The Malthusian theory is that if
you need to depopulate the earth, one might as well get rid of the
undesirables first. The only problem with this idea is that under such a
program Tesla, Edison, Steinmetz, Hawking and so many others would have
all been killed. Hitler, of course, after learning of American Eugenics
theories became a HUGE fan, setting up gas chambers complete with fake
showerheads etc, but logical thinking was never his strong suite. So he
kicked all the Jews out of the Reich and they all went to America where
as Rectal Swartz would say there was the Manhattan project with more
Jews per square meter than anywhere in the world assuring that even had
he WON the battle of the bulge, his wondrous Reich would have still
ended up toast.

Point being that trying to get rid of "undesirables" is just as likely
to get rid of your salvation, because you can't really tell just WHO
will eventually come up with something really important.

I'm not going to address the history issues raised there, though I
disagree on several points.

Nor am I saying that whomever put up the Georgia Guidestones is a good
person - genocide of 93% of the human race is unspeakably evil.

I'm not even saying that their plan will work.

Thanks for the warning. What's that saying... Do onto others before
they do onto you? As if living wasn't fearful enough already.

I'm playing devil's advocate and pointing out HOW they could make it
work. :-D The things that lead to scientific and technological
advancement are freedom from the mundane chores necessary for living, and
collaboration with intelligent folks of a similar mindset.

RIGHT NOW, our culture does not value those with intelligence. The
intelligent are derided as geeks. They're actually LOOKED DOWN UPON. The
intelligent once were heroes and had fans like Rock stars. No matter what
you think of Einstein, he was a rock star of his day, a hero to many
(which is what made him so damned destructive!) and was doing things like
dating Marilyn Monroe. Today? Not so much and only within their own
community.

Marilyn Monroe sure did get around a lot, the slut, the blonde, I
mean. Was there anyone in her era not in her dress? O wait... she had
no time to need to wear one. All are born nude, she even exited stage
left that wa.

Who else besides Einstein ever got a Rock Star treatment? Some
questions, like this one, are rhetorical. Media History speaks for
itself.

So, change the culture, provide the intelligent a living, and place them
where they can work together - and you can finance all that by disposing
of the "worthless eaters". To put it in harsh terms, we spend a lot of
money and resources feeding people who, once fed, only produce more
mouths to feed. Since they don't value science and technology, and they
certainly aren't producing universities for the intelligent to
collaborate or even removing the yoke of the mundane chores of living, I
suspect they will get more out of concentrating on a few than are lost
from a few chance outstanding people arising from the billions.

Why "provide the intelligent a living" when the ones allegedly capable
of controlling the providing, really need and want, the adoring
intelligence challenged masses to daily tweet in their praises of
them. Volume of people serves their egos deeply in their otherwise
lonely existence.

Enjo... Cheers!
--
Mahipal, pronounced "My Pal" or "Maple" leads to... Maple Loops.

http://mahipal7638.wordpress.com/meforce/

 

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 10:57:14 -0800 (PST), Mahipal
<mahipal7638@gmail.com> wrote:

On Dec 29, 12:49 pm, John Larkin
jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 11:22:04 -0600, Marvin the Martian

[trim]
RIGHT NOW, our culture does not value those with intelligence. The
intelligent are derided as geeks. They're actually LOOKED DOWN UPON.

Not around here. Geeks are hot stuff.

The very term Geek is derisive and derogatory;

Not here, not any more. My designer glasses (bought at an outlet
store) are Geek brand.

I like this: "Women have no use for engineers except to marry them."

Precisely why we engineers are resorting to building women.

and "Geek: the kids you beat up in high school and you work for now."

Explains why the unemployment rates are at an all time low the Earth
over.

Geeks are still not very "social" no matter how they've hijacked the
business and technology world to exact their revenge.

You obviously haven't been in The Monk's Kettle on a Friday night.

 

[P E Schoen]

"Marvin the Martian" wrote in message
news:ToudnaVXU4qOkkLNnZ2dnUVZ5oadnZ2d@giganews.com...

I'm not going to address the history issues raised there, though I
disagree on several points.

Nor am I saying that whomever put up the Georgia Guidestones is a good
person - genocide of 93% of the human race is unspeakably evil.

If you read the content of the inscriptions, it does not advocate genocide.
Such a population reduction could be achieved within one or two generations
merely by offering voluntary sterilization or an annual tax credit or bonus
for remaining childless. Perhaps such a condition should be mandatory for
anyone receiving public assistance. Thus only those who have the
intelligence, work ethics, and other skills required to contribute to
society, and raise a child properly, would find it financially possible to
have children.

The drastic cutbacks proposed by "righteous" conservatives to welfare and
health care is a crueler form of population control, and could be labeled
genocide.

I'm not even saying that their plan will work.

I'm playing devil's advocate and pointing out HOW they could make it
work. :-D The things that lead to scientific and technological
advancement are freedom from the mundane chores necessary for living,
and collaboration with intelligent folks of a similar mindset.

RIGHT NOW, our culture does not value those with intelligence. The
intelligent are derided as geeks. They're actually LOOKED DOWN UPON. The
intelligent once were heroes and had fans like Rock stars. No matter what
you think of Einstein, he was a rock star of his day, a hero to many
(which is what made him so damned destructive!) and was doing things like
dating Marilyn Monroe. Today? Not so much and only within their own
community.

There is an unhealthy attitude toward intelligence and achievement,
especially in the ghetto culture where gangs and violence and criminal
activity is glorified, and it extends somewhat into suburban culture through
the admiration of gangsta rap and video games and violent sports, that
glorify blood and gore and rebellion against established authority. But
there are also many who admire the likes of Bill Gates and Steve Jobs and
realize that science and technology can provide a means to a very
comfortable lifestyle.

So, change the culture, provide the intelligent a living, and place them
where they can work together - and you can finance all that by
disposing of the "worthless eaters". To put it in harsh terms, we
spend a lot of money and resources feeding people who, once fed,
only produce more mouths to feed. Since they don't value science
and technology, and they certainly aren't producing universities
for the intelligent to collaborate or even removing the yoke of the
mundane chores of living, I suspect they will get more out of
concentrating on a few than are lost from a few chance
outstanding people arising from the billions.

That is a very reasonable proposal. It also coincides with my belief that we
will need to adopt a system of intentional communities which may be formed
on the basis of some common interests. There should also be some diversity,
and it will be necessary to balance intellectual ability with some level of
athletics, physical fitness, and team sports, as well as appreciation for
nature and the roles we play in the perpetuation and advancement of our
species. We need to live in harmony with each other and the environment.

Paul
www.newkoinonia.com

 

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 11:34:52 -0800 (PST), Mahipal
<mahipal7638@gmail.com> wrote:

On Dec 29, 2:07 pm, John Larkin
jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 10:57:14 -0800 (PST), Mahipal









mahipal7...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Dec 29, 12:49 pm, John Larkin
jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 11:22:04 -0600, Marvin the Martian

[trim]
RIGHT NOW, our culture does not value those with intelligence. The
intelligent are derided as geeks. They're actually LOOKED DOWN UPON.

Not around here. Geeks are hot stuff.

The very term Geek is derisive and derogatory;

Not here, not any more. My designer glasses (bought at an outlet
store) are Geek brand.

I like this: "Women have no use for engineers except to marry them."

Precisely why we engineers are resorting to building women.

and "Geek: the kids you beat up in high school and you work for now."

Explains why the unemployment rates are at an all time low the Earth
over.

Geeks are still not very "social" no matter how they've hijacked the
business and technology world to exact their revenge.

You obviously haven't been in The Monk's Kettle on a Friday night.

Are you really that cheap geek -- wait that's redundant -- that you
could not leave my short paragraph intact? Well, that you dissected it
already answers my question. Running short on bits inventory... I
presume.

I've not been in my new neighbor's house on any night either. So what?
That the geeks are social in The Monk's Kettle and are all the while
exacting further revenge still. Over beers at that. Nice. What did
they conspire Friday yesterday?

I too like to drink. WIll stop by The Monk's Kettle when next in their
town. Fairly certain, the geeks will be too preoccupied checking
themselves out in their narcissistic augmented reality glasses to even
notice my physical presence next to them. Their social texting virtual
projected self tailored world trumps daily actual reality. Perhaps
another bar will serve me better.

Enjo... Cheers!

The geek crowd is fun, funny, and largely concerned and altruistic.
There are some sociopaths in Silicon Valley, as there are on Wall
Street, but the tekkies that I meet are mostly very decent people.