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[benj]

On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 21:13:38 -0600, Sam Wormley wrote:

On 12/26/12 9:07 PM, Marvin the Martian wrote:
Unum thinks he's so smart that he can lie away the climategate e-mail
scandals (plural - there were two releases).

What the science says, Marvin:

See:
http://www.skepticalscience.com/Climategate-CRU-emails-hacked-
advanced.htm

Science says: Wait a minute. What are you talking about asshat? Political
science? There is no science related to Climategate. They simply got
caught red-handed trying to fake science to fool the public. You know,
just like you always do.

But hey, Marvin: Science says the fox investigated the incident and
reported truthfully that no chickens were observed missing!

 

[benj]

On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 21:56:59 -0600, Sam Wormley wrote:

The earth is in an energy imbalance and warming rapidly, Marvin. Your
name calling and blustering is not going to change that fact!

Lies. Your name calling and blustering won't change the fact:

Quote a recent Sam post: "Marvin reminds me of those conspiracy nuts!"

No blustering or "name calling" there, right, Sam?

 

[Marvin the Martian]

On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 09:09:07 +0000, benj wrote:

On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 21:13:38 -0600, Sam Wormley wrote:

On 12/26/12 9:07 PM, Marvin the Martian wrote:
Unum thinks he's so smart that he can lie away the climategate e-mail
scandals (plural - there were two releases).

What the science says, Marvin:

See: http://www.skepticalscience.com/Climategate-CRU-emails-hacked-
advanced.htm

Science says: Wait a minute. What are you talking about asshat?
Political science? There is no science related to Climategate. They
simply got caught red-handed trying to fake science to fool the public.
You know, just like you always do.

But hey, Marvin: Science says the fox investigated the incident and
reported truthfully that no chickens were observed missing!

Worm says he needs experts to tell him what to think, and his experts say
it is okay.

His experts are bald faced liars. Any damned fool can read the e-mails
and tell which ones were written by lying frauds.

Worm wonders why other people don't drink the Kool-Aid.

WTF is wrong with this Worm guy?!

 

[benj]

On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 22:16:59 -0600, Sam Wormley wrote:

Have you not noticed that it's you against the climate community and
most scientific societies? Have you not noticed the melting ice and
rising sea level.

How could you not notice these things?

Did you really think we could burn tens of millions of years of
sequestered carbon in just a few centuries without consequence?

Gentle ripples form in the water as the bait is slowly dragged along...

Marvin, do you notice how MANY "Global tepid" posts there are? What that
means is that Sam, by his pretend "dumb" act (well maybe it's not so
pretend) has succeeded in derailing any intelligent debate on Climate and
defused any attempts to inject actual scientific data into the
discussion. Just call it propaganda 101. The more he gets you going, the
less you are able to discuss true facts with those who are not yet aware
of the scam.

Just direct Sam HERE so he can find out what "Science says":

http://wattsupwiththat.com/

Note current sweet article debunking the usual Sam Melting Ice is
flooding the Third World nonsense: Obviously only the VIRTUAL ice is
melting at West Antarctica.

Science says:

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/12/27/antarctic-warming-courtesy-of-mr-
fix-it/#more-76367

Sam, how much science will it take until you stop lying?

 

[P E Schoen]

"benj" wrote in message news:%rUCs.15175$KS4.4313@newsfe11.iad...

[snip]

Just direct Sam HERE so he can find out what "Science says":

http://wattsupwiththat.com/

There is a good reason for you to put quotes around "science". That site is
another denialist creation, with just a bit less outrageous hubris to make
it more palatable to relatively well educated (but no less gullible) people
who have not taken the bait, hook, line, and sinker. To understand what REAL
scientists say, read:
http://www.astronomynotes.com/solarsys/s11b.htm

Note current sweet article debunking the usual Sam Melting Ice is
flooding the Third World nonsense: Obviously only the VIRTUAL ice is
melting at West Antarctica.

[so-called] "Science" says:

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/12/27/antarctic-warming-courtesy-of-mr-fix-it/#more-76367

Sam, how much science will it take until you stop lying?

The lies are promulgated by a shrinking minority who side with the affluent,
greedy, and essentially sociopathic right-whiners and their "business as
usual", "drill baby drill" capitalists of the 1% who are (or should be)
running scared and spewing scientifically worded fictional rhetoric in their
last-ditch attempt to amass as much material wealth as possible before they
die. Most of them are old white men with a decidedly un-Christian idea of a
heaven which will accept them even after a lifetime of doing what the Bible
says will virtually guarantee otherwise.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=matthew%2019:23-19:24&version=NIV

I cite the Bible because most of these "conservatives" claim to be highly
religious, and mostly Christian, as if that is very meaningful, since Hitler
(to some extent) was, and certainly most of his most brutal (and clearly
sociopathic) followers. Of course, now the right-whiners are complaining
that the "evil left" is bullying them. Give. Me. A. Break!
http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/bullies-ben-shapiro/1113595267

At the same time, the right-wing climate change denialists
(http://heartland.org/) are mounting a campaign of hatred and paranoid
accusations equating climate scientists with terrorists and infamous
psychopaths:
http://blog.ucsusa.org/whos-the-crazy-one-here/
http://heartland.org/issues/environment

It has even gone so far as to spawn death threats:
http://blog.ucsusa.org/speaking-up-for-scientists-who-receive-death-threats-2/

Paul

 

[erschroedinger@gmail.com]

On Dec 27, 4:23 am, benj <b...@iwaynet.net> wrote:

On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 22:16:59 -0600, Sam Wormley wrote:
   Have you not noticed that it's you against the climate community and
   most scientific societies? Have you not noticed the melting ice and
   rising sea level.

   How could you not notice these things?

   Did you really think we could burn tens of millions of years of
   sequestered carbon in just a few centuries without consequence?

Gentle ripples form in the water as the bait is slowly dragged along...

Marvin, do you notice how MANY "Global tepid" posts there are? What that
means is that Sam, by his pretend "dumb" act (well maybe it's not so
pretend) has succeeded in derailing any intelligent debate on Climate and
defused any attempts to inject actual scientific data into the
discussion. Just call it propaganda 101. The more he gets you going, the
less you are able to discuss true facts with those who are not yet aware
of the scam.

Just direct Sam HERE so he can find out what "Science says":

http://wattsupwiththat.com/

Uh, that's a former TV weatherman who's been paid by Heartland. It's
no more what the science says than the National Enquirer is.

Note current sweet article debunking the usual Sam Melting Ice is
flooding the Third World nonsense: Obviously only the VIRTUAL ice is
melting at West Antarctica.

No, YOU note that site may have blogs and columns, but they prove
nothing, they debunk nothing.

Nut job using a nut job site -- pathetic.

Science says:

Not on wwut it doesn't.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/12/27/antarctic-warming-courtesy-of-mr-
fix-it/#more-76367

The blogger who wrote that says: "I have been a geoscientist in the
evil oil and gas industry for almost 30 years."

Sam, how much science will it take until you stop lying?

How long before you reference a scientific site? Days? Months?
Years? Never?

 

[Marvin the Martian]

On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 12:14:21 -0800, erschroedinger@gmail.com wrote:

On Dec 27, 4:23 am, benj <b...@iwaynet.net> wrote:
On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 22:16:59 -0600, Sam Wormley wrote:
   Have you not noticed that it's you against the climate community
   and most scientific societies? Have you not noticed the melting
   ice and rising sea level.

   How could you not notice these things?

   Did you really think we could burn tens of millions of years of
   sequestered carbon in just a few centuries without consequence?

Gentle ripples form in the water as the bait is slowly dragged along...

Marvin, do you notice how MANY "Global tepid" posts there are? What
that means is that Sam, by his pretend "dumb" act (well maybe it's not
so pretend) has succeeded in derailing any intelligent debate on
Climate and defused any attempts to inject actual scientific data into
the discussion. Just call it propaganda 101. The more he gets you
going, the less you are able to discuss true facts with those who are
not yet aware of the scam.

Just direct Sam HERE so he can find out what "Science says":

http://wattsupwiththat.com/

Uh, that's a former TV weatherman who's been paid by Heartland. It's no
more what the science says than the National Enquirer is.

That's an irrelevant argumentum ad hominem that doesn't address the
issues at all.

This kind of stupidity was used to dismiss SR because it was proposed by
a low level Swiss patent clerk, or dismiss Bose Condensates because it
was written by an Indian, or dismiss the big bang because it was written
by a Catholic priest. It is an argument made by stupid people.

Note current sweet article debunking the usual Sam Melting Ice is
flooding the Third World nonsense: Obviously only the VIRTUAL ice is
melting at West Antarctica.

No, YOU note that site may have blogs and columns, but they prove
nothing, they debunk nothing.

Nut job using a nut job site -- pathetic.

Here's a graph (oh, I forget, you can't do graphs because you're say
you're too stupid.)

<http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.A3.gif>

What I want you to take away from this graph is that even Hansen's group
admits that there is less warming in the Southern Hemisphere than in the
Northern Hemisphere... Since high energy cosmic rays can vary by
hemisphere under Svensmark's theory and temperature between northern and
southern hemisphere should be in lock step under the CO2 non-hypothesis,
it pretty much debunks CO2 and supports Svensmark's theory...

Now, about that Antarctic ice mass...
<http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/
casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20120013495_2012013235.pdf>

"During 2003 to 2008, the mass gain of the Antarctic ice sheet from snow
accumulation exceeded the mass loss from ice discharge by 49 Gtlyr (2.5%
of input), as derived from ICESat laser measurements of elevation change."

So, it's gaining ice. Of course, this is a NASA spew, so GAINING ice
proves AGW just as LOSING ice proves AGW, which is why AGW is not a
scientific hypothesis.

bTW, this is no surprise, as Antarctica gains and loses ice in cycles and
has been doing so since the end of the last ice age.

< snip more ad homs>

You don't actually talk science anymore, do you, Lloyd? Ever since you
got spanked for not understanding chemical equilibrium. That had to make
your students wonder about how incompetent you are.

 

[Sam Wormley]

On 12/27/12 3:27 PM, Marvin the Martian wrote:

"During 2003 to 2008, the mass gain of the Antarctic ice sheet from snow
accumulation exceeded the mass loss from ice discharge by 49 Gtlyr (2.5%
of input), as derived from ICESat laser measurements of elevation change."

Don't forget to look at the bigger picture, Marvin.

West Antarctica Warming Three Times Faster Than Global Average,
Threatening To Destabilize This Unstable Ice Sheet

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2012/12/27/1377751/west-antarctica-warming-three-times-faster-than-global-average-threatening-to-destabilize-this-unstable-ice-sheet/?

The temperature record from Byrd Station, a scientific outpost in the center of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet (WAIS), demonstrates a marked increase of 4.3 degrees Fahrenheit (2.4 degrees Celsius) in average annual temperature since 1958. The rate of increase is three times faster than the average temperature rise around the globe for the same period.

The study was published Sunday in the journal Nature Geoscience ["Central West Antarctica among most rapidly warming regions on Earth" (subs. req'd)]. It was conducted by scientists at Ohio State University (OSU), the National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR), and the University of Wisconsin-Madison, with funding coming from the National Science Foundation, which is NCAR’s sponsor.

 

[benj]

On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 11:53:40 -0500, P E Schoen wrote:

Snip gigantic propaganda hurl.

It has even gone so far as to spawn death threats:
http://blog.ucsusa.org/speaking-up-for-scientists-who-receive-death-
threats-2/

Paul

Paul, as I recall it was your alarmist climate revisionist leader Dr.
Hansen who called before Congress for putting "deniers" to death. Nothing
more needs to be said to refute your bullshit.

 

[benj]

On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 16:43:33 -0600, Sam Wormley wrote:

On 12/27/12 3:27 PM, Marvin the Martian wrote:
"During 2003 to 2008, the mass gain of the Antarctic ice sheet from
snow accumulation exceeded the mass loss from ice discharge by 49 Gtlyr
(2.5%
of input), as derived from ICESat laser measurements of elevation
change."

Don't forget to look at the bigger picture, Marvin.

West Antarctica Warming Three Times Faster Than Global Average,
Threatening To Destabilize This Unstable Ice Sheet

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2012/12/27/1377751/west-antarctica-
warming-three-times-faster-than-global-average-threatening-to-destabilize-

this-unstable-ice-sheet/?

Wait a minute, Sam. How did you miss the link to MY propaganda site that
refutes YOUR propaganda site? Were you asleep or just dreaming of CO2
taxes being collected? Anyway, JUST FOR YOU, here it is again:


http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/12/27/antarctic-warming-courtesy-of-mr-
fix-it/#more-76367

It's the worlds most viewed site on climate. You climate revisionists are
loosing ground rapidly and soon will the completely discredited in the
public view.

 

[benj]

On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 12:14:21 -0800, erschroedinger@gmail.com wrote:

http://wattsupwiththat.com/

Uh, that's a former TV weatherman who's been paid by Heartland. It's no
more what the science says than the National Enquirer is.

It's MORE science that Sam's usual wikipedia "proof" and at least as good
as the constant spew Sam always links from "SkeptialScience" a Website
with some physics grad student manipulating data funded by some Warmist
foundation. Mine's at least as good as yours.

 

[P E Schoen]

"benj" wrote in message news:Yc5Ds.17012$tK1.16320@newsfe07.iad...

On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 11:53:40 -0500, P E Schoen wrote:

Snip gigantic propaganda hurl.

It has even gone so far as to spawn death threats:
http://blog.ucsusa.org/speaking-up-for-scientists-who-receive-death-threats-2/

Paul, as I recall it was your alarmist climate revisionist leader Dr.
Hansen who called before Congress for putting "deniers" to death.
Nothing more needs to be said to refute your bullshit.

Except you fail to provide a cite for this accusation. Here's what I found:
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2009/12/02/205053/climategate-newsweek-nasa-james-hansen-deniers-climate-science/
http://blog.chron.com/sciguy/2008/06/james-hansen-wants-to-send-energy-ceo-deniers-to-jail/
http://westcoastclimateequity.org/2010/04/27/dr-james-hansens-proposal-the-peoples-climate-stewardship-act/
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080208095230AAakklS
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2012-08-03/opinions/35491435_1_climate-change-climate-model-normal-climate

But considering the fact that deniers may be responsible for the deaths of
millions of people if they succeed at allowing Big Energy to continue its
attempts to bypass environmental safeguards for their profit-based agenda, a
death sentence may very well be appropriate. Even if the evidence for AGW
were not quite so overwhelming, and even if it were found to be wrong, the
present "business as usual" of irresponsible burning of a precious and
irreplaceable resource (crude oil), is simply WRONG. And the so-called
"clean coal" and natural gas from fracking are environmentally damaging. Why
are deniers such as yourself so adamant and vociferous in your attacks on
those who advocate renewable energy and the adoption of major efficiency
improvements? What do those cost you, compared to the probability of
environmental disasters of increasing frequency and unprecedented magnitude?
The mind boggles, and there is simply no possibility of rational discussion
with you and your ilk.

Paul

 

[P E Schoen]

wrote in message
news:a3f015cc-8daa-4a5b-be37-ed0845b94ab6@t5g2000vba.googlegroups.com...

The hysterical AGW doomsayers...sigh. Panicked over something
that'll never happen, but in utter denial over real, calculable fiscal
realities such as U.S.' overspending (1.84x revenues so far this
year). Emotion over math.

Those who recognize the reality of AGW, or even the mostly uncontested fact
of global warming from whatever cause, are hardly as hysterical as the
deniers, who tend to flail their arms wildly and scream obscenities and
tremble in fear of an imagined global conspiracy much larger and more
heinous than the very real and dangerous collusion of Big Energy in their
quest for profit with no regard for environmental damage and the human toll
that exacts.

Fossil-haters are likely to kill countless millions in Africa, India,
China, etc., when all's said and done, condemning billions more to
abject, miserable poverty.

How does the adoption of sustainable energy sources and greater efficiency
cause all these deaths and poverty? You are clearly delusional.

Burning food to make Al Gore's ethanol already has killed countless
masses in poor countries all over, and likely affected (if not
effected) the Arab instabilities last year.

Yes, ethanol from corn was not a wise choice, but there are better sources,
and your claim of millions killed is crazy talk. The ultimate answer will be
much improved energy efficiency and reduced per capita consumption by means
of cooperative living arrangements and reduction of the dependency on
individual transportation and unreasonably long commutes. If we eliminate
our presence in the Persian Gulf we will diminish funding of terrorists and
their targeting of US interests.

Paul

 

On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 18:41:06 -0800 (PST), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Dec 27, 6:54 pm, benj <b...@iwaynet.net> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 11:53:40 -0500, P E Schoen wrote:

Snip gigantic propaganda hurl.



It has even gone so far as to spawn death threats:
http://blog.ucsusa.org/speaking-up-for-scientists-who-receive-death-
threats-2/

Paul

Paul, as I recall it was your alarmist climate revisionist leader Dr.
Hansen who called before Congress for putting "deniers" to death. Nothing
more needs to be said to refute your bullshit.

The hysterical AGW doomsayers...sigh. Panicked over something that'll
never happen, but in utter denial over real, calculable fiscal
realities such as U.S.' overspending (1.84x revenues so far this
year). Emotion over math.

There is no contradiction here. Both are leftist/statist power grab
strategies.

Fossil-haters are likely to kill countless millions in Africa, India,
China, etc., when all's said and done, condemning billions more to
abject, miserable poverty.

Even if the oceans don't rise, taxes will. Ever notice how more taxes
are the solution to *every* problem, real or perceived?

Burning food to make Al Gore's ethanol already has killed countless
masses in poor countries all over, and likely affected (if not
effected) the Arab instabilities last year.

The left only talks about caring.

 

[tm]

<dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:a3f015cc-8daa-4a5b-be37-ed0845b94ab6@t5g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 27, 6:54 pm, benj <b...@iwaynet.net> wrote:

On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 11:53:40 -0500, P E Schoen wrote:

Snip gigantic propaganda hurl.



It has even gone so far as to spawn death threats:
http://blog.ucsusa.org/speaking-up-for-scientists-who-receive-death-
threats-2/

Paul

Paul, as I recall it was your alarmist climate revisionist leader Dr.
Hansen who called before Congress for putting "deniers" to death. Nothing
more needs to be said to refute your bullshit.

The hysterical AGW doomsayers...sigh. Panicked over something that'll
never happen, but in utter denial over real, calculable fiscal
realities such as U.S.' overspending (1.84x revenues so far this
year). Emotion over math.

Fossil-haters are likely to kill countless millions in Africa, India,
China, etc., when all's said and done, condemning billions more to
abject, miserable poverty.

Burning food to make Al Gore's ethanol already has killed countless
masses in poor countries all over, and likely affected (if not
effected) the Arab instabilities last year.

--
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Isn't worldwide population reduction one of the lefts' ultimate goals?

You know, save the earth.

 

On Dec 27, 6:54 pm, benj <b...@iwaynet.net> wrote:

On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 11:53:40 -0500, P E Schoen wrote:

Snip gigantic propaganda hurl.



It has even gone so far as to spawn death threats:
http://blog.ucsusa.org/speaking-up-for-scientists-who-receive-death-
threats-2/

Paul

Paul, as I recall it was your alarmist climate revisionist leader Dr.
Hansen who called before Congress for putting "deniers" to death. Nothing
more needs to be said to refute your bullshit.

The hysterical AGW doomsayers...sigh. Panicked over something that'll
never happen, but in utter denial over real, calculable fiscal
realities such as U.S.' overspending (1.84x revenues so far this
year). Emotion over math.

Fossil-haters are likely to kill countless millions in Africa, India,
China, etc., when all's said and done, condemning billions more to
abject, miserable poverty.

Burning food to make Al Gore's ethanol already has killed countless
masses in poor countries all over, and likely affected (if not
effected) the Arab instabilities last year.

--
Cheers,
James Arthur

 

On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 22:29:30 -0500, "tm" <No_one_home@white-house.gov>
wrote:

Please don't use "--<return>" to separate your text from quoted text.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Isn't worldwide population reduction one of the lefts' ultimate goals?

You know, save the earth.

There aren't enough caves for all 4,000,000,000.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 22:29:30 -0500, tm wrote:

dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:a3f015cc-8daa-4a5b-be37-ed0845b94ab6@t5g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 27, 6:54 pm, benj <b...@iwaynet.net> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 11:53:40 -0500, P E Schoen wrote:

Snip gigantic propaganda hurl.



It has even gone so far as to spawn death threats:
http://blog.ucsusa.org/speaking-up-for-scientists-who-receive-death-
threats-2/

Paul

Paul, as I recall it was your alarmist climate revisionist leader Dr.
Hansen who called before Congress for putting "deniers" to death.
Nothing more needs to be said to refute your bullshit.

The hysterical AGW doomsayers...sigh. Panicked over something that'll
never happen, but in utter denial over real, calculable fiscal realities
such as U.S.' overspending (1.84x revenues so far this year). Emotion
over math.

Fossil-haters are likely to kill countless millions in Africa, India,
China, etc., when all's said and done, condemning billions more to
abject, miserable poverty.

Burning food to make Al Gore's ethanol already has killed countless
masses in poor countries all over, and likely affected (if not effected)
the Arab instabilities last year.

--
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Isn't worldwide population reduction one of the lefts' ultimate goals?

You know, save the earth.

Yes, they even wrote this goal in stone. Just google "Georgia
Guidestones". Someone with a lot of money put up those stones.

Their goal is to reduce the human population to just half a billion
people, so 6.5 billion people are to be eliminated.

No, they don't want the smart ones - they want the subservient ones.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 22:49:52 -0500, krw wrote:

On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 22:29:30 -0500, "tm" <No_one_home@white-house.gov
wrote:

Please don't use "--<return>" to separate your text from quoted text.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Isn't worldwide population reduction one of the lefts' ultimate goals?

You know, save the earth.

There aren't enough caves for all 4,000,000,000.

<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybSzoLCCX-Y>

We must not allow a mine shaft gap!

 

On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 22:48:42 -0600, Marvin the Martian
<marvin@ontomars.org> wrote:

On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 22:49:52 -0500, krw wrote:

On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 22:29:30 -0500, "tm" <No_one_home@white-house.gov
wrote:

Please don't use "--<return>" to separate your text from quoted text.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Isn't worldwide population reduction one of the lefts' ultimate goals?

You know, save the earth.

There aren't enough caves for all 4,000,000,000.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybSzoLCCX-Y

We must not allow a mine shaft gap!

Can't use them. They're not "natural".