Driver to drive?

[Tom Horne]

On Jul 19, 3:39 pm, krw <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 10:16:25 -0700 (PDT), Tom Horne



horn...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 19, 12:12 pm, krw <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 12:50:40 GMT, spamb...@milmac.com (Doug Miller)
wrote:

In article <3mv765da9sgkg1k9t2iiq8lovjgea4m...@4ax.com>, jk <kles...@suddenlink.net> wrote:
Jamie <jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1l...@charter.net> wrote:

 There was a transition period
allowed to give plenty of time for the switch over, mean while, they
simply did things like 480 volts in a 240 volt receptacle..
A particular inspectior in a particular jurisdiction might have
allowed this, but it would not be to code, and ther eIS NO GRANDFATHER
CLAUSE any where in the NEC.

Well, no, but any attempt at forcing compliance with a code that didn't exist
at the time the installation was made falls under the Constitutional
prohibitions against ex post facto legislation...

Fire codes do this all the time, particularly in commercial and rental
units.  Smoke and CO detectors being prime examples.

OK Explain how requiring the installation of smoke or CO detectors in
rental or commercial properties after the enactment of the enabling
legislation is the same as applying the current electric code to a
preexisting installation.

They're both ex post facto laws.  The buildings were existing long
before the law was passed.

To be an ex post facto law the the requirements you are complaining
about would have to require a change to what is already built.
Requiring the addition of smoke, CO, and explosive gas detectors to an
existing building as a condition of a renewal of the use and occupancy
only regulates the future condition of the building and then only as a
condition of it being used in a certain way such as rental property.
The code in question would be an ex post facto law if it required that
the existing electrical plant be brought up to current code, that the
pitch of the stairs be changed, or that the width of doorways that met
the code at the time of construction be changed to match a new code
requirement in the absence of a change in use. The difference is
admittedly subtle but there is a difference.
--
Tom Horne

 

[jk]

StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt <Zarathustra@thusspoke.org> wrote:

The geography was obviously US, dumbfuck. YOU mentioned OSHA, so YOU
defined the geography right there, dumbfuck.

It clearly was not. Many on here are NOT from the US, (although most
use the language fore fluently than you can) Just because your limited
perspective and geographical (and usenet) illiteracy made you assume
otherwise, is not really an excuse for one of your tantrums.

So, my remarks remains correct,
As they ever and never were.

and yes, you retarded fuck, OSHA does
have rules for 'the halls of congress and other federal institutions' as
well.
Cite???

The discussion was about OSHA, so other countries are obviously not part
of the discussion,

SHowing you are incapable of following the logic of the sentence.
Here it is again, try to read it BEFORE you respond to it.

"Dream site for an OSHA inspector, assuming you are in an area subject
to OSHA. I presume you are, since you have referenced the NEC as I
recall."

Reading comprehension will be an important skill, even before you
graduate from high school, even more important in the real world when
you TRY to get a job. WIth your apparent skill set, a daunting task no
doubt.


Having fun posting to alt flame?




jk

 

[Gunner Asch]

On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 03:00:25 GMT, dufus@bunghole.com (Richard Cranium)
wrote:

On Mon, 20 Jul 2009 07:24:14 -0700, StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt
Zarathustra@thusspoke.org> wrote:

Snip

I can empty your spleen for you in a sheer millisecond, if you wish.


That's for sure Archie; that's for sure! But do be careful that you
don't get carried away and suck him inside out.

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



"Lenin called them "useful idiots," those people living in
liberal democracies who by giving moral and material support
to a totalitarian ideology in effect were braiding the rope that
would hang them. Why people who enjoyed freedom and prosperity worked
passionately to destroy both is a fascinating question, one still with us
today. Now the useful idiots can be found in the chorus of appeasement,
reflexive anti-Americanism, and sentimental idealism trying to inhibit
the necessary responses to another freedom-hating ideology, radical Islam"

Bruce C. Thornton, a professor of Classics at American University of Cal State Fresno

 

[jk]

spambait@milmac.com (Doug Miller) wrote:

Yes, when installations like that, you are suppose to have a ground in each.

You still don't understand.

The problem has _nothing_ to do with the ground wires, which carry *only*
fault current, and *never* operating current.

Under that situation, assuming bonding at both ends of the run, they
would no carny some of the induced currents too.


jk

 

[jk]

StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt <Zarathustra@thusspoke.org> wrote:

On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 22:41:59 -0500, krw <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:


The discussion was about OSHA, so other countries are obviously not part
of the discussion, you pathetic, squirming little pussy.

There are still (*many*) places, in the US, where OSHA has no
jurisdiction, AlwaysWrong.

The term used was "work area". Learn to keep up, and please cite said
place(s).

No it was not sock puppy, it was area, as in
"Dream site for an OSHA inspector, assuming you are in an area subject
to OSHA. "

That is AREA as in geographical location.

YOu are just too easy. So I will quit kicking you while you are
down. I'm off on vacation, so we can play patty cake some more when
I'm back in a month.



jk

 

[StickThatInYourPipeAndSmo]

On Mon, 20 Jul 2009 18:17:53 -0700, Gunner Asch
<gunner@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:

Fascinating that you have had so much contact with cops over the
years...isnt it?

Fascinating that such a free country's citizens let retarded nazis like
you and your mentalities endure.

 

[StickThatInYourPipeAndSmo]

On Mon, 20 Jul 2009 18:26:28 -0700, Gunner Asch
<gunner@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:

Ill bet you dont even remember the code numbers you
were busted under.

Maybe due to the fact that no such event ever occurred, you retarded
twit.

I'll bet that one day, mindsets like yours are what our civil society
berates. As it stands, retards like you stand up on a street corner and
declare yourselves a hero, when the truth tells a different tale.

I have no unpaid debts. You have a debt that you will not likely pay
until your judgment arrives.

The sad part is that between now and that time, you will likely abuse a
large number of members of the human race, which you are not even a
member of.

 

[StickThatInYourPipeAndSmo]

On Mon, 20 Jul 2009 18:46:14 -0700, Gunner Asch
<gunner@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:

Ive just been toodling along, now I guess Ill have to take it out of
idle.

Thanks!

Strange, the things that retarded twits do that makes one feel that he
needs to thank the other.

You guys do know that it is the little things like this that define you
as being less than human, right?

 

[Archimedes' Lever]

On Mon, 20 Jul 2009 22:17:10 -0500, krw <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

You got me there. How is a CO detector different than any other code
item? Just to make the point, they must be AC powered and *DO*
require renovation to the electrical system.

I wanna hear this twisting....

He was not referring to code items, idiot. He was referring to the
state of the building, and what compliance policies cover to that effect.

 

[Gunner Asch]

On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 04:59:13 -0700, StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt
<Zarathustra@thusspoke.org> wrote:

On Mon, 20 Jul 2009 18:17:53 -0700, Gunner Asch
gunner@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:

Fascinating that you have had so much contact with cops over the
years...isnt it?

Fascinating that such a free country's citizens let retarded nazis like
you and your mentalities endure.

You never did get around to answering my questions about the charges,
bail and jail time.

Embarassed?

Gunner

"Lenin called them "useful idiots," those people living in
liberal democracies who by giving moral and material support
to a totalitarian ideology in effect were braiding the rope that
would hang them. Why people who enjoyed freedom and prosperity worked
passionately to destroy both is a fascinating question, one still with us
today. Now the useful idiots can be found in the chorus of appeasement,
reflexive anti-Americanism, and sentimental idealism trying to inhibit
the necessary responses to another freedom-hating ideology, radical Islam"

Bruce C. Thornton, a professor of Classics at American University of Cal State Fresno

 

[Gunner Asch]

On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 05:04:34 -0700, StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt
<Zarathustra@thusspoke.org> wrote:

On Mon, 20 Jul 2009 18:26:28 -0700, Gunner Asch
gunner@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:

Ill bet you dont even remember the code numbers you
were busted under.


Maybe due to the fact that no such event ever occurred, you retarded
twit.

I'll bet that one day, mindsets like yours are what our civil society
berates. As it stands, retards like you stand up on a street corner and
declare yourselves a hero, when the truth tells a different tale.

I have no unpaid debts. You have a debt that you will not likely pay
until your judgment arrives.

The sad part is that between now and that time, you will likely abuse a
large number of members of the human race, which you are not even a
member of.

So you did jail time for crimes "you didnt commit".

No juries eh?

Snicker....Ill bet there were Juries and they found you guilty of the
charges. Yet you bitching about how the Ebil CoPs PuT YOU iN Yail!!!

Buck up shitforbrains, and piss off

Gunner

"Lenin called them "useful idiots," those people living in
liberal democracies who by giving moral and material support
to a totalitarian ideology in effect were braiding the rope that
would hang them. Why people who enjoyed freedom and prosperity worked
passionately to destroy both is a fascinating question, one still with us
today. Now the useful idiots can be found in the chorus of appeasement,
reflexive anti-Americanism, and sentimental idealism trying to inhibit
the necessary responses to another freedom-hating ideology, radical Islam"

Bruce C. Thornton, a professor of Classics at American University of Cal State Fresno

 

[Gunner Asch]

On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 05:07:20 -0700, StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt
<Zarathustra@thusspoke.org> wrote:

On Mon, 20 Jul 2009 18:46:14 -0700, Gunner Asch
gunner@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:

Ive just been toodling along, now I guess Ill have to take it out of
idle.

Thanks!

Strange, the things that retarded twits do that makes one feel that he
needs to thank the other.

You guys do know that it is the little things like this that define you
as being less than human, right?

Your self hatred is noted with fascination and some pity.

Gunner

"Lenin called them "useful idiots," those people living in
liberal democracies who by giving moral and material support
to a totalitarian ideology in effect were braiding the rope that
would hang them. Why people who enjoyed freedom and prosperity worked
passionately to destroy both is a fascinating question, one still with us
today. Now the useful idiots can be found in the chorus of appeasement,
reflexive anti-Americanism, and sentimental idealism trying to inhibit
the necessary responses to another freedom-hating ideology, radical Islam"

Bruce C. Thornton, a professor of Classics at American University of Cal State Fresno

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Bill Sloman wrote:

Michael E. Terrell flatters himself that his posts contain enough
useful information to be recognisable. Sadly, he is predictable jerk,
and most people can do asinine.

Who is Michael E. Terrell? Another sloppy attempt at an insult by an
unemployable old European cuckold.


--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense!

 

[StickThatInYourPipeAndSmo]

On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 08:31:51 -0700, Gunner Asch
<gunner@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:

So you did jail time for crimes "you didnt commit".

Typical retarded pig mentality. You shame honorable cops everywhere.

No juries eh?

For what?

Snicker....

Is that another retarded pig involuntary response? It fits.

Ill bet there were Juries and they found you guilty of the
charges.

I'll bet that every aspect of your life shows you to be just as clueless
as this "guess as you go" aspect does.

Yet you bitching about how the Ebil CoPs PuT YOU iN Yail!!!

Show me a post where I said anything about being put in jail, you
retarded little bastard.

Buck up shitforbrains,

Heed your own advice, criminal.

and piss off

Awwwww... did 'ums fall down and bump your head?

Gunner

You are such a pussy. Have you ever committed a selfless, honorable
act in your entire life?

 

[Gunner Asch]

On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 10:08:20 -0700, StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt
<Zarathustra@thusspoke.org> wrote:

On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 08:31:51 -0700, Gunner Asch
gunner@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:


So you did jail time for crimes "you didnt commit".

Typical retarded pig mentality. You shame honorable cops everywhere.

Make up your mind, you felonious asshole...cops are either "typical
retarded pigs" or "honorable cops everywhere"

You really cant make up your mind, can you....snicker

punks like you sucked dick or bent over to get fucked in the ass, for
special treatment from the lifers..and yet you blither on and on like
you actually feel superior over people.

Laugh laugh laugh

Gunner

"Lenin called them "useful idiots," those people living in
liberal democracies who by giving moral and material support
to a totalitarian ideology in effect were braiding the rope that
would hang them. Why people who enjoyed freedom and prosperity worked
passionately to destroy both is a fascinating question, one still with us
today. Now the useful idiots can be found in the chorus of appeasement,
reflexive anti-Americanism, and sentimental idealism trying to inhibit
the necessary responses to another freedom-hating ideology, radical Islam"

Bruce C. Thornton, a professor of Classics at American University of Cal State Fresno

 

[Tom Horne]

On Jul 20, 11:17 pm, krw <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

On Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:06:54 -0700 (PDT), Tom Horne



horn...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 19, 3:39 pm, krw <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 10:16:25 -0700 (PDT), Tom Horne

horn...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 19, 12:12 pm, krw <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 12:50:40 GMT, spamb...@milmac.com (Doug Miller)
wrote:

In article <3mv765da9sgkg1k9t2iiq8lovjgea4m...@4ax.com>, jk <kles....@suddenlink.net> wrote:
Jamie <jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1l...@charter.net> wrote:

 There was a transition period
allowed to give plenty of time for the switch over, mean while, they
simply did things like 480 volts in a 240 volt receptacle..
A particular inspectior in a particular jurisdiction might have
allowed this, but it would not be to code, and ther eIS NO GRANDFATHER
CLAUSE any where in the NEC.

Well, no, but any attempt at forcing compliance with a code that didn't exist
at the time the installation was made falls under the Constitutional
prohibitions against ex post facto legislation...

Fire codes do this all the time, particularly in commercial and rental
units.  Smoke and CO detectors being prime examples.

OK Explain how requiring the installation of smoke or CO detectors in
rental or commercial properties after the enactment of the enabling
legislation is the same as applying the current electric code to a
preexisting installation.

They're both ex post facto laws.  The buildings were existing long
before the law was passed.

To be an ex post facto law the the requirements you are complaining
about would have to require a change to what is already built.

Complaining?  No, just stating a fact.  Yes, the building was already
built.

Requiring the addition of smoke, CO, and explosive gas detectors to an
existing building as a condition of a renewal of the use and occupancy
only regulates the future condition of the building and then only as a
condition of it being used in a certain way such as rental property.

...and commercial property, and not on change of residents.
*IMMEDIATELY*.  Same with sprinkler systems.

The code in question would be an ex post facto law if it required that
the existing electrical plant be brought up to current code, that the
pitch of the stairs be changed, or that the width of doorways that met
the code at the time of construction be changed to match a new code
requirement in the absence of a change in use.  The difference is
admittedly subtle but there is a difference.

You got me there.  How is a CO detector different than any other code
item?  Just to make the point, they must be AC powered and *DO*
require renovation to the electrical system.

I wanna hear this twisting....

Site
--
Tom Horne

 

[StickThatInYourPipeAndSmo]

On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 10:49:54 -0700, Gunner Asch
<gunner@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:

On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 10:08:20 -0700, StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt
Zarathustra@thusspoke.org> wrote:

On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 08:31:51 -0700, Gunner Asch
gunner@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:


So you did jail time for crimes "you didnt commit".

Typical retarded pig mentality. You shame honorable cops everywhere.


Make up your mind, you felonious asshole...cops are either "typical
retarded pigs" or "honorable cops everywhere"

You shit cops never will get it.

I was segregating the set, idiot. Since you are slow on math, I'll
spell it out for you. YOU belong to the retarded Nazi pig set.

Honorable cops do not.

It really is that simple, pig.

You really cant make up your mind, can you....snicker

My mind was made up decades ago, dipshit. I can smell your stench from
miles away.

punks like you sucked dick or bent over to get fucked in the ass,

More likely, Gunner is projecting his fantasies.

for
special treatment from the lifers..

Lifers do not give anyone anywhere special treatment. I am sure they
would make an exception for a retard of your 'caliber', however.

and yet you blither on and on like
you actually feel superior over people.

The fact that I know exactly where I stand in the grand scheme of
things is where I rest in my knowledge.

I also know exactly where you stand, Gunner Asch. Your path will lead
you to the lake of fire, and no other place. Sorry.

Laugh laugh laugh

Typical.

 

[Rich Grise, Plainclothes]

On Mon, 20 Jul 2009 18:17:53 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote:

On Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:12:42 -0700, StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt

By the same token, your pathetic mentality matches NONE of the good
cops I have encountered over the years.

The ones that took your dope and kicked you lose?

Fascinating that you have had so much contact with cops over the
years...isnt it?

I once (mid-1970's) got rousted with 8 ounces of herb bagged up for sale;

the following Monday, in court, the 8 ounces had entirely disappeared, and
the charge was "strong beer in the park". (I also had a cooler of strong
beer - in Minnesota, 3.2 (California) beer is considered food - over 6
or so percent, it's "intoxicating liquor".

ISTR the sentence was "time served." (I'd spent the weekend in the city
slam).

Everybody knows the cops have the best drugs. >:->

Cheers!
Rich

 

[Richard the Dreaded Liber]

On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 08:27:46 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote:

On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 04:59:13 -0700, StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt

Fascinating that such a free country's citizens let retarded nazis like
you and your mentalities endure.

You never did get around to answering my questions about the charges,
bail and jail time.

He also seems to have a very odd definition of "free".

But really, Gunner, why do you keep feeding this troll? And why isn't
it "Gunnar"?

Thanks,
Rich

 

[Richard the Dreaded Liber]

On Mon, 20 Jul 2009 18:20:19 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote:

So how many occasions HAVE you done time? And what were the convictions
for? Dope or child molestation Id bet

Failure to pay corruption money. (caught with no mandatory car insurance,
despite the fact that I was the injured party - some dildobrain rear-ended
me at the "Yield" sign at the top of the exit ramp.)

Did "four days" - you report to the county jail after work on Friday
night, sit there Sat. and Sun, and they wake you up about 4 AM on
Monday morning so you can get back to work.

This was in Hennepin County, Minnesota, almost 10 years ago.

FWIW, the food was surprisingly good - probably because the inmates do
the cooking.

Cheers!
Rich