Driver to drive?

On Jan 14, 12:46 pm, mj <mahen....@gmail.com> wrote:
We have a 5V buck regulator in our design and now there is a need for another rail of approx 5.3V (unregulated is fine). Due to space and cost we cannot add another regulator for 5.3V or us dual regulators. So I added a schottky diode D2 as shown in the schematic below and taken the feedback to the regulator after D2. The 2 feedback resistors R2 and R3 values are unchanged from the existing design of 5V. If 5V is maintained after D2 there will be approx 5.3V before D2 (due to diode drop). Does this work? Are there any shortcomings with this approach?

https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/CJfm2M-ti4gbVdSb-n-IK4RE5T5Ar7r...

Thanks in advance.
-mj
I don't know much about switching supplies. But if you had to sink
current into the 5V supply that might be an issue. (I might add a bit
of capacitance to the 5 V supply.)

George H.
 
On Monday, January 14, 2013 8:56:44 PM UTC+1, George Herold wrote:
On Jan 14, 12:46 pm, mj <mahen....@gmail.com> wrote:

We have a 5V buck regulator in our design and now there is a need for another rail of approx 5.3V (unregulated is fine). Due to space and cost we cannot add another regulator for 5.3V or us dual regulators. So I added a schottky diode D2 as shown in the schematic below and taken the feedback to the regulator after D2. The 2 feedback resistors R2 and R3 values are unchanged from the existing design of 5V. If 5V is maintained after D2 there will be approx 5.3V before D2 (due to diode drop). Does this work? Are there any shortcomings with this approach?



https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/CJfm2M-ti4gbVdSb-n-IK4RE5T5Ar7r....



Thanks in advance.

-mj
It should be ok, but the 5.3V wont be accurate in any way. The drop will vary according to temperature, current and initial tolerances.

Cheers

Klaus
 
On Monday, January 14, 2013 12:46:51 PM UTC-5, mj wrote:
We have a 5V buck regulator in our design and now there is a need for another rail of approx 5.3V (unregulated is fine). Due to space and cost we cannot add another regulator for 5.3V or us dual regulators. So I added a schottky diode D2 as shown in the schematic below and taken the feedback to the regulator after D2. The 2 feedback resistors R2 and R3 values are unchanged from the existing design of 5V. If 5V is maintained after D2 there will be approx 5.3V before D2 (due to diode drop). Does this work? Are there any shortcomings with this approach?
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/CJfm2M-ti4gbVdSb-n-IK4RE5T5Ar7rVu6J7QkBUCTM?feat=directlink
No problems if you use appropriate Schottky, something like the Vishay SB520, you want to use as low a Vr rated diode you can get away with and of course relatively high If http://www.vishay.com/docs/88721/88721.pdf
As long as the 5V loading stays above a nominal 10mA, the diode impedance is negligble, probably lower than that of C6 so it does not require additional decoupling. You must add the 5.3V loading to the 5V loading on the LM22680 of course, if that even makes a difference, and overall efficiency of the power supply will be degraded.
 
On Tuesday, January 15, 2013 5:20:20 AM UTC+5:30, bloggs.fred...@gmail.com wrote:
On Monday, January 14, 2013 12:46:51 PM UTC-5, mj wrote:

We have a 5V buck regulator in our design and now there is a need for another rail of approx 5.3V (unregulated is fine). Due to space and cost we cannot add another regulator for 5.3V or us dual regulators. So I added a schottky diode D2 as shown in the schematic below and taken the feedback to the regulator after D2. The 2 feedback resistors R2 and R3 values are unchanged from the existing design of 5V. If 5V is maintained after D2 there will be approx 5.3V before D2 (due to diode drop). Does this work? Are there any shortcomings with this approach?

https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/CJfm2M-ti4gbVdSb-n-IK4RE5T5Ar7rVu6J7QkBUCTM?feat=directlink





No problems if you use appropriate Schottky, something like the Vishay SB520, you want to use as low a Vr rated diode you can get away with and of course relatively high If http://www.vishay.com/docs/88721/88721.pdf

As long as the 5V loading stays above a nominal 10mA, the diode impedance is negligble, probably lower than that of C6 so it does not require additional decoupling. You must add the 5.3V loading to the 5V loading on the LM22680 of course, if that even makes a difference, and overall efficiency of the power supply will be degraded.
Thanks all. I will rework the board and test once.

-mj
 
"N_Cook" <diverse@tcp.co.uk> wrote:
P E Schoen <paul@peschoen.com> wrote in message
news:kdj0bd$6ut$1@dont-email.me...
I have a desk lamp, with a magnifier and a 12W T4 circline fluorescent bulb,
that I use constantly for working on PCBs and electronics projects in
general. I bought it several years ago and recently it started flickering
and then died. I replaced the bulb, but still no joy, and after replacing
the blown fuse and two damaged transistors, I found that the little
transformer had an open winding.

/open circuit

Does anyone know if there is any problem with this?

Thanks,

Paul

PS: GO RAVENS!!!!!


+++++++++

so the original lamp was conventional ballast and 2 pin bimetal switch
starter ?

no. there is a small electronic driver - plays hell with FM radio :)

IME the heat shield deteriorates allowing lamp heat to saturate the
board and kill circuits. It is possible the line voltage to rail transformer
may also be affected by such a failure of the shield. I replace the shield
with a thin stove mat.

--
no sale of foxs
 
This is a song, sang to the tune of "House of the Rising Sun", sung at
the National Semiconductor FAE Conference in 1989. For those you
semis, I hope it brings back fond memories. Those of you that are not,
well, it will help you understand some of the frustrations of working
for a semiconductor manufacturer.
Let's sing it for the people here.

[House of the Rising Sun]

There is a group in the Internet
They called them engineers
It's been the ruin of many careers.
And God, i know, i'am one.

My sisters were programmers
They spend all days dream and chat
My brothers were designers
Down in the Internet.


[My way]

And now, the end is near.
and so i face the final review.
I code it clear and docunment it.
I'll state my case, of which i'm certain
I've built a box that's good
I browsed each
and every web site.
And more
much more than this
I built it my way

Problems,
i had a few
but then again
Too few to mension.
I debugged it
and rewrote it
without exceptions
I planned
each logic branch
each careful step
alone the project
And more
much more than this
I coded it my way

Yes, there was times
I'am sure you knew
when i bit off
more than i could code
but thru it all
when there were doublt
i added it up
i printed sideway
I faced it all
And i stood tall
And sold it my way

For what is a man
what has he got
If not his work
than he has not
to post the job
he truly feels
and not the words
of one who needs
The record show
i took the flame
And did it my way
 
On Sat, 26 Jan 2013 18:48:42 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Sat, 26 Jan 2013 20:25:13 -0500, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

On 1/26/2013 8:20 PM, Jim Thompson wrote:
On Sat, 26 Jan 2013 20:04:41 -0500, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

On 1/26/2013 7:49 PM, Jim Thompson wrote:
On Sat, 26 Jan 2013 19:39:09 -0500, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

On 1/26/2013 7:31 PM, Jim Thompson wrote:
On Sat, 26 Jan 2013 18:19:45 -0600, flipper <flipper@fish.net> wrote:
[snip]

Hey, flubber, who do you work for ?:)

I am pleased to say, not for you. And, btw, if you were to try and get
me 'unemployed' that's actionable.


...Jim Thompson

Maybe. If I lived in Californica. Here, in Arizona, we simply call
it "kicking ass".

I have posted the microphone model. Your take on it should be good
for many laughs.

Keep in mind, "your take" will be public and conveyable to your boss
:-}

That's the old disinterested search for truth in action, I expect. Try
to make anybody who disagrees lose their job.

It wasn't simple disagreement... it was disagreeable stone throwing by
a clueless individual. When you have no clue you're supposed to ask
to be taught, not rudely dispute the professor.


"Noooobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!"

*** Like I say, read the thread from the very beginning. ***

Until I got a ton of wrong-minded crap, I did not call a punk a punk.
Not until flubber persisted... and he REALLY IS DUMB AS A STUMP on
circuits.


Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Now go away and thump your Bible, and stop interjecting yourself in a
thread you not only didn't follow, but have no clue yourself... and no
lists of your wonderful "bootstraps", show me some analysis >:-}

...Jim Thompson


You really are a piece of work, Jim. Is there anything you won't resort
to, to sustain your self-image?

I continue to respect your technical competence highly, but I sure
wouldn't ask you to my house.

Funny, I'm the one who gets regularly accused of Bible-thumping, and
it's you ;-)


Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Sorry, I don't have to sustain a self-image... I CAN analyze (or
design) such stuff as in this thread, effortlessly.

Capability doesn't require the standard leftist need for pumped-up
self-image.


Which no doubt is why you exude quiet self-confidence, rather than, say,
threatening people who disagree with losing their jobs, or threatening
to beat them up, or shoot them, or threatening to set your lawyer on
them for tortious interference. I see.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Phil, Please!

Read the whole (set of) threads. I did not start up combative. When
I tried to explain the snags in the circuit I got set upon by several
clueless individuals.

When I suggested they analyze the circuit and then submitted my own
analysis it only got worse... the clueless individuals persisted that
I was wrong.

So I properly named them... punks >:-}

Sorry, I'm not a "turn-the-other-cheek" type.

Right now we have a group dominated by _incompetent_ punks.

Personally, I'm going to start hunting them down, whether you like it
or not, with the specific intent to get incompetents fired. With lots
of competent people out there seeking jobs, it should be easy.

flubber throws forth some Californica word, "actionable". I'm going
to give him "actionable"... every future friggin' word he utters
better be fact, or his ass is grass.

...Jim Thompson

Silly old fool.


--

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www.highlandtechnology.com jlarkin at highlandtechnology dot com

Precision electronic instrumentation
Picosecond-resolution Digital Delay and Pulse generators
Custom timing and laser controllers
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Multichannel arbitrary waveform generators
 
On Sat, 26 Jan 2013 21:16:48 -0800, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

Silly old fool.

Says the guy who thinks excel has no purpose.

Check this out, brainiac.

http://www.mediafire.com/view/?etit3m4st7fb6hy

I do these as an excel exercise. Even though the chart can be looked
up, this gives the assembler no question about the configuration.
Anything found online seems to leave a slight ambiguity.

It is always good to be concise. Sweating the small stuff *does*
matter.
 
On 2013-01-26, Jon <no-reply@no-reply.com> wrote:
http://3d-triangulation-calculator.bravehost.com/womansong.html

I had trouble creating this waveform mathematically. Notice that -1 <=
sin(z) <=1 so z has to take on values at least up to pi/2 to 3pi/2, which is
violated by the equation. I only used it since it was the only thing that
worked.

Also I'm not sure how to design the electronics to create the red wave
(resultant). Right now I'm using two 555 timers. The wave is going to be
an audio signal. (the red wave in the gif image above).

The two female vocalists in the band ABBA have synchronized vibratos, making
their singing particularly pleasing. Also in the band Heart in the song
"Music Man" towards the end of the song the synthesizer goes into a warbly
oscillation. I don't like the sound of it but if I can duplicate it with a
different frequency it might sound better.
If you want ot hear it, compute it, convert it to WAV, and play
it on your computer.

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"who where" wrote in message
news:6b09g81i5sg65bm5gsgum50d1s6m6otpcf@4ax.com...

It's even more insidious than that. The Chinese govt subsidise
outgoing postal costs (it's about balance of trade to them) and that
makes it even easier to offer free post for China exports.

One electronics parts source elesewhere in Asia (I won't mention the
name or country) have sussed this out and use it to their advantage.
The greater part of their outgoing is almost invariably padded
envelopes and small parcels. These they aggregate into a v.large
parcel and send to their agent in China, who breaks the consignment
out and re-ships individually with the subsidised China system.
They may do the same sort of thing with shipments to the US. I recently
ordered eight 3000mAh NiMH AA cells and four 3600 mAh 18650 Li-Ion cells for
a total of $21.55 including shipping, and it arrived via USPS registered
mail. I was surprised that they used registered mail for such a small
monetary value. If it is true that all mail after the originating country is
handled free, I am quite surprised and it's no wonder that the USPS is going
broke.

I can see how easy it would be to circumvent the high cost of sending small
parcels by packing them into large parcels and sending them in bulk, perhaps
even by cargo ship. You can probably find people in China to do a good job
of sorting them out and sending them on via their surface mail system.

I placed my order for the batteries on January 9 and received them January
23, which is just 14 days. That is about right for the processing on both
ends and probably 7-8 days by ship.

Recently I inquired about large LiFePO4 batteries from a manufacturer in
China and got a quote for $11,500 for 100 pieces of 100 Ah prismatic cells,
and shipping was $390. Such cells are typically 4 kg each so that's a 400 kg
shipment, probably by sea with pickup at the port.

In another quote for 100 smaller batteries, a shipment of 33 kg was $285.
Air shipping for four pieces via DHL was $24.

Paul
 
On Tuesday, November 28, 2000 12:00:00 AM UTC-8, Michael A. Covington wrote:
Is a transformer a Passive, or Active device?

Passive.

An active device has *two* inputs, *signal* and *power*. It uses power to
make a bigger signal like the incoming one. For example, a transistor
amplifier has not only a signal input, but also a DC power supply.

A transformer merely rearranges the energy that is put into it (trading
volts for amps).
thanx
 
Many sources now for these devices, but the few I have inspected all have
relatively large electro caps on the input side, to make DC from which the
current controller PWM draws its supply for the LED drive.

I strikes me that with the published figures for LED lifetimes of 50,000
hours, the electro caps in these are probably going to fail long before the
LEDs and other associated circuitry.

Hello, if the working temperature is low enough and
the capacitors good enough (pricy?) they should
last enough :)
And also the optocouplers tend to age.

There are many design examples that lack a large
electro cap on the input. AFAIK this is done mainly for
high power factor, but as a side effect the large high
voltage electro disappears. The single stage High PF flyback
is simple to do for low power requirements, and moves the
cap from rectified mains to led output side.
For higher power one could use the usual PFC+flyback
(or PFC+resonant) and use high voltage film capacitors
as storage.
Check appnotes for ST L6561/2, powerint linkswich-PH,
if I remeber correctly also fairchild and ON should have
appnotes on the subject.

--
Muvideo altrove
Fabio Eboli nella vita reale...
 
On a sunny day (Sat, 26 Jan 2013 18:31:34 -0500) it happened Jamie
<jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1lpa_@charter.net> wrote in
<dyZMs.125142$kp4.28287@newsfe09.iad>:

And I can't put it down.
Probably needs a fev rounds from a Kalashnikov.
 
On 2013-01-27, P E Schoen <paul@peschoen.com> wrote:
"who where" wrote in message
news:6b09g81i5sg65bm5gsgum50d1s6m6otpcf@4ax.com...

It's even more insidious than that. The Chinese govt subsidise
outgoing postal costs (it's about balance of trade to them) and that
makes it even easier to offer free post for China exports.

One electronics parts source elesewhere in Asia (I won't mention the
name or country) have sussed this out and use it to their advantage.
The greater part of their outgoing is almost invariably padded
envelopes and small parcels. These they aggregate into a v.large
parcel and send to their agent in China, who breaks the consignment
out and re-ships individually with the subsidised China system.

They may do the same sort of thing with shipments to the US. I recently
ordered eight 3000mAh NiMH AA cells and four 3600 mAh 18650 Li-Ion cells for
a total of $21.55 including shipping, and it arrived via USPS registered
mail. I was surprised that they used registered mail for such a small
monetary value. If it is true that all mail after the originating country is
handled free, I am quite surprised and it's no wonder that the USPS is going
broke.
I'm fairly sure that USPS is paid to deliver the goods, just they
aren't paid by the sender, but by the senders agent eg: Chinapost.

Recently I inquired about large LiFePO4 batteries from a manufacturer in
China and got a quote for $11,500 for 100 pieces of 100 Ah prismatic cells,
and shipping was $390. Such cells are typically 4 kg each so that's a 400 kg
shipment, probably by sea with pickup at the port.

In another quote for 100 smaller batteries, a shipment of 33 kg was $285.
Air shipping for four pieces via DHL was $24.
it seems 400Kg of small batteries would half the price of 400Kg of big
batteries.



--
⚂⚃ 100% natural

--- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: news@netfront.net ---
 
On Sat, 26 Jan 2013 21:59:02 -0800, BubbleSorter
<BubbleSorter@URallinyerplace.org> wrote:

On Sat, 26 Jan 2013 21:16:48 -0800, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:


Silly old fool.



Says the guy who thinks excel has no purpose.

Check this out, brainiac.

http://www.mediafire.com/view/?etit3m4st7fb6hy

I do these as an excel exercise. Even though the chart can be looked
up, this gives the assembler no question about the configuration.
Anything found online seems to leave a slight ambiguity.

It is always good to be concise. Sweating the small stuff *does*
matter.
That's not an engineering document.


--

John Larkin Highland Technology Inc
www.highlandtechnology.com jlarkin at highlandtechnology dot com

Precision electronic instrumentation
Picosecond-resolution Digital Delay and Pulse generators
Custom timing and laser controllers
Photonics and fiberoptic TTL data links
VME analog, thermocouple, LVDT, synchro, tachometer
Multichannel arbitrary waveform generators
 
On Sun, 27 Jan 2013 08:00:24 -0800, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

That's not an engineering document.
No, idiot, it IS an engineering reference guide.

You fucking total retard.

There are 216 combinations. There is no 'engineering document' that
would have a diagrammatic representation of all of them.

Nothing more than listing is all they carry. Been that way for
decades, and has always caused contention in manufacturing until it gets
resolved.

My document carries the listing, and the key description, and provides
a diagrammatic representation of each permutation. 100% resolution. You
are 100% loser.

There are no men currently alive more foolish than you are, Larkin.
 
Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Sat, 26 Jan 2013 18:31:34 -0500) it happened Jamie
jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1lpa_@charter.net> wrote in
dyZMs.125142$kp4.28287@newsfe09.iad>:

And I can't put it down.

Probably needs a fev rounds from a Kalashnikov.

Another gun crazy European wallpaper hanger, who thinks everything
can be solved with guns.
 
Jim Thompson wrote:

On Sat, 26 Jan 2013 18:20:59 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:


On Sat, 26 Jan 2013 20:04:41 -0500, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:


On 1/26/2013 7:49 PM, Jim Thompson wrote:

On Sat, 26 Jan 2013 19:39:09 -0500, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:


On 1/26/2013 7:31 PM, Jim Thompson wrote:

On Sat, 26 Jan 2013 18:19:45 -0600, flipper <flipper@fish.net> wrote:

[snip]

Hey, flubber, who do you work for ?:)

I am pleased to say, not for you. And, btw, if you were to try and get
me 'unemployed' that's actionable.



...Jim Thompson

Maybe. If I lived in Californica. Here, in Arizona, we simply call
it "kicking ass".

I have posted the microphone model. Your take on it should be good
for many laughs.

Keep in mind, "your take" will be public and conveyable to your boss

:-}

That's the old disinterested search for truth in action, I expect. Try
to make anybody who disagrees lose their job.

It wasn't simple disagreement... it was disagreeable stone throwing by
a clueless individual. When you have no clue you're supposed to ask
to be taught, not rudely dispute the professor.


"Noooobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!"

*** Like I say, read the thread from the very beginning. ***

Until I got a ton of wrong-minded crap, I did not call a punk a punk.
Not until flubber persisted... and he REALLY IS DUMB AS A STUMP on
circuits.


Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Now go away and thump your Bible, and stop interjecting yourself in a
thread you not only didn't follow, but have no clue yourself... and no
lists of your wonderful "bootstraps", show me some analysis >:-}

...Jim Thompson


You really are a piece of work, Jim. Is there anything you won't resort
to, to sustain your self-image?

I continue to respect your technical competence highly, but I sure
wouldn't ask you to my house.

Funny, I'm the one who gets regularly accused of Bible-thumping, and
it's you ;-)


Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Sorry, I don't have to sustain a self-image... I CAN analyze (or
design) such stuff as in this thread, effortlessly.

Capability doesn't require the standard leftist need for pumped-up
self-image.

...Jim Thompson


And my posts were RESPONSES to a DUMB AS A STUMP attacker.

You do notice flubber is slinking away >:-}

...Jim Thompson
Maybe, or he's just letting nature take its course, Jim.

Jamie
 
Adrian Jansen wrote:

Many sources now for these devices, but the few I have inspected all
have relatively large electro caps on the input side, to make DC from
which the current controller PWM draws its supply for the LED drive.

I strikes me that with the published figures for LED lifetimes of 50,000
hours, the electro caps in these are probably going to fail long before
the LEDs and other associated circuitry.

Has anyone investigated sensible ways of running the PWM circuit direct
off the ( full-wave ) rectified line, and accepting the fact that for a
few msec, the input voltage will fall below the 10 volts or so needed to
drive the LEDs ?

Seems to me that would extend the potential lifetime of the driver
considerably.

Any thoughts ?

Sure, a linear current sink will work just fine,
if you don't mind a small amount of energy loss in
thermal on the transistor?

You could do it with phase firing and that won't lose
too much, but that involves the use of a cap but not a large one,
one that most likely would last much longer...

Jamie
 
On Sun, 27 Jan 2013 08:44:43 -0800, BubbleSorter
<BubbleSorter@URallinyerplace.org> wrote:

On Sun, 27 Jan 2013 08:00:24 -0800, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

That's not an engineering document.


No, idiot, it IS an engineering reference guide.
Engineers don't assemble connectors. It looks like a shop floor thing.


You fucking total retard.

There are 216 combinations. There is no 'engineering document' that
would have a diagrammatic representation of all of them.

Nothing more than listing is all they carry. Been that way for
decades, and has always caused contention in manufacturing until it gets
resolved.

My document carries the listing, and the key description, and provides
a diagrammatic representation of each permutation. 100% resolution. You
are 100% loser.

There are no men currently alive more foolish than you are, Larkin.
That thing has no drawing number, no title, no rev, no date, no author, no
context, no effectivity, no explanations. No serious engineering department
would create or release anything like that.

And it looks like a shop-floor mechanical assembly aid, little to do with
electronic design.


--

John Larkin Highland Technology Inc
www.highlandtechnology.com jlarkin at highlandtechnology dot com

Precision electronic instrumentation
Picosecond-resolution Digital Delay and Pulse generators
Custom timing and laser controllers
Photonics and fiberoptic TTL data links
VME analog, thermocouple, LVDT, synchro, tachometer
Multichannel arbitrary waveform generators
 

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