Driver to drive?

Jim Thompson · Aug 11, 2012

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 11:50:55 -0700, Fred Abse
<excretatauris@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 11:38:17 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

What browser and OS?

A now-very-old Firefox, that I custom built for this OS (Linux, mostly
itself compiled from source).

Any Firefox upgrade puts me on a chase for newer libraries, which will
probably break lots of other handcrafted applications that I rely on more.
Could take months to settle it all down again. What I have does exactly
what I want, the way I want it done. Apart, that is, from
bells-and-whistles sites, that I don't inhabit, anyway.

It's a bit like your Q45. Why change, when you like what you've got?

7 years old and only 63,000 miles ;-)

Frontier pick-em-up, 11 years old and 33,000 miles... seeing more use
now that sons-in-law must transport grandchildren and their
paraphernalia to university ;-)

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Fred Hall · Aug 25, 2012

On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 03:36:03 +0000 (UTC), Rich Grise <richgrise@example.net> wrote:

Rich

"Phil Allison" sez about Rich Grise:

"** YOU are a nothing but a brain dead TROLL !!!!"

"You pile of fucking, sub human garbage."

Message-ID: <5q9g9uFuebfiU1@mid.individual.net>

Insane frogging kook.

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Andrew Wilson · Aug 25, 2012

On Aug 25, 4:06 am, Fred Hall <fkh...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 03:36:03 +0000 (UTC), Rich Grise <richgr...@example.net> wrote:
Rich

"Phil Allison" sez about Rich Grise:

"** YOU are a nothing but a brain dead TROLL !!!!"

"You pile of fucking, sub human garbage."

Message-ID: <5q9g9uFuebfiU1@mid.individual.net

Insane frogging kook.

So, you're now going to impotently flame anyone and everyone who votes
you for your kook awards, and dredge up instances of others flaming
them, is that it? What a sad bit of wreckage you have been reduced to.

This account has been ban · Aug 25, 2012

AUK's July Kook Of The Month, Paul G. Derbyshire AKA Andrew Wilson
<awils3848x9@gmail.com> wrote:

On Aug 25, 4:06 am, Fred Hall <fkh...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 03:36:03 +0000 (UTC), Rich Grise <richgr...@example.n
et> wrote:
Rich

"Phil Allison" sez about Rich Grise:

"** YOU are a nothing but a brain dead TROLL !!!!"

"You pile of fucking, sub human garbage."

Message-ID: <5q9g9uFuebfiU1@mid.individual.net

Insane frogging kook.

S<SPANK

Shuddup Derbyshire, you insane forging, frogging netabusing kook.

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Andrew Wilson · Aug 25, 2012

On Aug 25, 7:12 am, This account has been banned because it violated
the Google Groups Terms Of Use <laugh...@u.kook> wrote:

AUK's July Kook Of The Month, Paul G. Derbyshire AKA Andrew Wilson

Proof, kooky?

awils384...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Aug 25, 4:06 am, Fred Hall <fkh...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 03:36:03 +0000 (UTC), Rich Grise <richgr...@example.n
et> wrote:
Rich

"Phil Allison" sez about Rich Grise:

"** YOU are a nothing but a brain dead TROLL !!!!"

"You pile of fucking, sub human garbage."

Message-ID: <5q9g9uFuebf...@mid.individual.net

Insane frogging kook.

S<SPANK

Shuddup Derbyshire,

Proof?

you insane

Proof?

forging,

Proof?

frogging

Proof?

netabusing

Proof?

kook.

Proof?

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check out Scatboi's forgeries.

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Phoenix and the phantom Derbyshire live rent-free in your sig, I see!

This account has been ban · Aug 25, 2012

AUK's July Kook Of The Month, Paul G. Derbyshire AKA Andrew Wilson
<awils3848x9@gmail.com> wrote:

O<SLAP

You're still insane, Derbyshire.

Now, dance, kook.

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check out Scatboi's forgeries.

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(after IKYABWAI, PeeWees, outer filthing and lies, Anonypussy is out of ammo)
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Skybuck Flying · Sep 8, 2012

Euhm little note about ravage... it's more like a cat/panther... couldn't
come up with a good description at the time when I wrote it...

But now I know... it's a cat/puma/panther-like robot... (not a dog... I
kinda hate dogs anyway) it's a good/important fact to get right !

=D

(Cats are much cooler than dogs... and cats are much more evil... they play
with mice... and so does ravage with human beings ! For him... humans are
like the mice !

)

It's a bit like a bat/cat robot...

Also later in the series I think soundwave even gets a bat ?!? Or was that
another robot

Bye,
Skybuck =D

=D

Rich Webb · Sep 11, 2012

On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 17:18:50 +0200, alb <alessandro.basili@cern.ch>
wrote:

Hi all,

I'm not sure this is the good place where to post this, please advise a
better NG in case it exists.

I'm working on the soldering process of a component with phosphor bronze
pins onto a fairly standard FR-4 multilayer PCB. The component is a
light detector (MPPC: Multi Pixel Photon Counter) and I still do not
know what is the amount of heat to deal with.

Is there any recommendation on soldering this components on a pre-tinned
pad?
Anything special on thermal behavior which should be considered? For
instance I have seen a power mosfet mounted without stress release on
the soldering point on a the thru-hole one-sided pad that after several
ON/OFF cycles caused the joint to crack.

This is a pretty low volume group. You are likely to have better luck
over in sci.electronics.design, so I'll cross-post over to there. There
are some photon pushers that hang around s.e.d regularly, as well as
numerous designers and prototype builders who might have experience with
a similar part.

Of course, if there's a specific part number or datasheet link that you
could post, that would help to narrow the focus.

(Follow-ups set to s.e.d)

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Phil Hobbs · Sep 11, 2012

On 09/11/2012 11:55 AM, Rich Webb wrote:

On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 17:18:50 +0200, alb<alessandro.basili@cern.ch
wrote:

Hi all,

I'm not sure this is the good place where to post this, please advise a
better NG in case it exists.

I'm working on the soldering process of a component with phosphor bronze
pins onto a fairly standard FR-4 multilayer PCB. The component is a
light detector (MPPC: Multi Pixel Photon Counter) and I still do not
know what is the amount of heat to deal with.

Is there any recommendation on soldering this components on a pre-tinned
pad?
Anything special on thermal behavior which should be considered? For
instance I have seen a power mosfet mounted without stress release on
the soldering point on a the thru-hole one-sided pad that after several
ON/OFF cycles caused the joint to crack.

This is a pretty low volume group. You are likely to have better luck
over in sci.electronics.design, so I'll cross-post over to there. There
are some photon pushers that hang around s.e.d regularly, as well as
numerous designers and prototype builders who might have experience with
a similar part.

Of course, if there's a specific part number or datasheet link that you
could post, that would help to narrow the focus.

(Follow-ups set to s.e.d)

Brr, I wouldn't want to solder that--they cost a zillion dollars. How
about a nice socket?

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

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spamtrap1888 · Sep 11, 2012

On Sep 11, 9:03 am, Rich Webb <bbew...@mapson.nozirev.ten> wrote:

On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 17:18:50 +0200, alb <alessandro.bas...@cern.ch
wrote:

Hi all,

I'm not sure this is the good place where to post this, please advise a
better NG in case it exists.

I'm working on the soldering process of a component with phosphor bronze
pins onto a fairly standard FR-4 multilayer PCB. The component is a
light detector (MPPC: Multi Pixel Photon Counter) and I still do not
know what is the amount of heat to deal with.

Is there any recommendation on soldering this components on a pre-tinned
pad?
Anything special on thermal behavior which should be considered? For
instance I have seen a power mosfet mounted without stress release on
the soldering point on a the thru-hole one-sided pad that after several
ON/OFF cycles caused the joint to crack.

This is a pretty low volume group. You are likely to have better luck
over in sci.electronics.design, so I'll cross-post over to there. There
are some photon pushers that hang around s.e.d regularly, as well as
numerous designers and prototype builders who might have experience with
a similar part.

Of course, if there's a specific part number or datasheet link that you
could post, that would help to narrow the focus.

Phosphor bronze is not the issue here -- billions of connectors with
phosphor bronze pins have been successfully soldered. Whatever coats
it is perhaps an issue, because the plating or other coating will
determine how fast the solder wets the leads.

But you are worried about cumulative stress once soldered, because you
allude to joints cracking. I would also worry about the effect of heat
on your device if wetting the leads takes an appreciable amount of
time.

And the best source of advice on how to solder a device is its
manufacturer. Often manufacturers will have an assembly app note.

spamtrap1888 · Sep 11, 2012

On Sep 11, 9:24 am, spamtrap1888 <spamtrap1...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sep 11, 9:03 am, Rich Webb <bbew...@mapson.nozirev.ten> wrote:

On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 17:18:50 +0200, alb <alessandro.bas...@cern.ch
wrote:

Hi all,

I'm not sure this is the good place where to post this, please advise a
better NG in case it exists.

I'm working on the soldering process of a component with phosphor bronze
pins onto a fairly standard FR-4 multilayer PCB. The component is a
light detector (MPPC: Multi Pixel Photon Counter) and I still do not
know what is the amount of heat to deal with.

Is there any recommendation on soldering this components on a pre-tinned
pad?
Anything special on thermal behavior which should be considered? For
instance I have seen a power mosfet mounted without stress release on
the soldering point on a the thru-hole one-sided pad that after several
ON/OFF cycles caused the joint to crack.

This is a pretty low volume group. You are likely to have better luck
over in sci.electronics.design, so I'll cross-post over to there. There
are some photon pushers that hang around s.e.d regularly, as well as
numerous designers and prototype builders who might have experience with
a similar part.

Of course, if there's a specific part number or datasheet link that you
could post, that would help to narrow the focus.

Phosphor bronze is not the issue here -- billions of connectors with
phosphor bronze pins have been successfully soldered. Whatever coats
it is perhaps an issue, because the plating or other coating will
determine how fast the solder wets the leads.

But you are worried about cumulative stress once soldered, because you
allude to joints cracking. I would also worry about the effect of heat
on your device if wetting the leads takes an appreciable amount of
time.

And the best source of advice on how to solder a device is its
manufacturer. Often manufacturers will have an assembly app note.

I got curious, so I googled Multi Pixel Photon Counter soldering

This first data sheet that popped up gives both the recommended
temperature profile for reflow soldering, as well as hand soldering
instructions. Such information should be available for your MPPC, as
well.

http://sales.hamamatsu.com/assets/pdf/parts_S/s10362-33series_kapd1023e03.pdf

alb · Sep 12, 2012

On 9/11/2012 9:00 PM, spamtrap1888 wrote:
[...]

I'm working on the soldering process of a component with phosphor bronze
pins onto a fairly standard FR-4 multilayer PCB. The component is a
light detector (MPPC: Multi Pixel Photon Counter) and I still do not
know what is the amount of heat to deal with.

Is there any recommendation on soldering this components on a pre-tinned
pad?
[...]

Of course, if there's a specific part number or datasheet link that you
could post, that would help to narrow the focus.

The problem here is that Hamamatsu is designing a specific package for
us and I was wondering whether particular care should be taken into
account when mounting these components. A reference point could be the
already available device for a 2x2 pixel:

http://sales.hamamatsu.com/assets/pdf/parts_S/s10984_series_etc_kapd1024e03.pdf

which does contain reflow conditions and such, but also limits the
amount of times to *one* which is kind of worrying for something that
costs so much.

Phosphor bronze is not the issue here -- billions of connectors with
phosphor bronze pins have been successfully soldered. Whatever coats
it is perhaps an issue, because the plating or other coating will
determine how fast the solder wets the leads.

But you are worried about cumulative stress once soldered, because you
allude to joints cracking. I would also worry about the effect of heat
on your device if wetting the leads takes an appreciable amount of
time.

Understand, I need to investigate with the manufacturer to check the
coating and any possible suggestions they have on this subject.

I got curious, so I googled Multi Pixel Photon Counter soldering

This first data sheet that popped up gives both the recommended
temperature profile for reflow soldering, as well as hand soldering
instructions. Such information should be available for your MPPC, as
well.

This is true, but I got kind of surprised when the amount of times for
soldering is limited to *one*. Indeed they may be extremely conservative
here but I'm not sure how hard is that limit.

Another point I'm worried about is how to unsolder these guys. Our pcb
will host 12 of these guys with a pitch of ~2 cm. Considering that the
pinout of our package is kind of off standard I can hardly imagine to
have a tool designed to heat all the pins to allow unsoldering. The only
thing that comes to my mind is with a hot gun with a large area,
preheating the pcb first and then blowing hot hair only on the guy to be
replaced. But I'm not such an expert in this area and any suggestion is
appreciated.

p.s.: thanks to Rich Webb who re-posted this on a more appropriate NG.

alb · Sep 12, 2012

On 9/11/2012 8:21 PM, Phil Hobbs wrote:
[...]

I'm working on the soldering process of a component with phosphor bronze
pins onto a fairly standard FR-4 multilayer PCB. The component is a
light detector (MPPC: Multi Pixel Photon Counter) and I still do not
know what is the amount of heat to deal with.

Is there any recommendation on soldering this components on a pre-tinned
pad?
Anything special on thermal behavior which should be considered? For
instance I have seen a power mosfet mounted without stress release on
the soldering point on a the thru-hole one-sided pad that after several
ON/OFF cycles caused the joint to crack.
[...]

Brr, I wouldn't want to solder that--they cost a zillion dollars. How
about a nice socket?

because we have something like ~400000 of these guys and the failure
rate of a connector may be something you do not want to consider.

On top of it the installation site of the detector is fairly in the
middle of nowhere, therefore accessibility may be an issue, that's why
soldering is the most robust solution that came to our minds.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Phil Hobbs · Sep 12, 2012

alb wrote:

On 9/11/2012 9:00 PM, spamtrap1888 wrote:
[...]
I'm working on the soldering process of a component with phosphor bronze
pins onto a fairly standard FR-4 multilayer PCB. The component is a
light detector (MPPC: Multi Pixel Photon Counter) and I still do not
know what is the amount of heat to deal with.

Is there any recommendation on soldering this components on a pre-tinned
pad?
[...]

Of course, if there's a specific part number or datasheet link that you
could post, that would help to narrow the focus.

The problem here is that Hamamatsu is designing a specific package for
us and I was wondering whether particular care should be taken into
account when mounting these components. A reference point could be the
already available device for a 2x2 pixel:

http://sales.hamamatsu.com/assets/pdf/parts_S/s10984_series_etc_kapd1024e03.pdf

which does contain reflow conditions and such, but also limits the
amount of times to *one* which is kind of worrying for something that
costs so much.

Phosphor bronze is not the issue here -- billions of connectors with
phosphor bronze pins have been successfully soldered. Whatever coats
it is perhaps an issue, because the plating or other coating will
determine how fast the solder wets the leads.

But you are worried about cumulative stress once soldered, because you
allude to joints cracking. I would also worry about the effect of heat
on your device if wetting the leads takes an appreciable amount of
time.

Understand, I need to investigate with the manufacturer to check the
coating and any possible suggestions they have on this subject.

I got curious, so I googled Multi Pixel Photon Counter soldering

This first data sheet that popped up gives both the recommended
temperature profile for reflow soldering, as well as hand soldering
instructions. Such information should be available for your MPPC, as
well.

This is true, but I got kind of surprised when the amount of times for
soldering is limited to *one*. Indeed they may be extremely conservative
here but I'm not sure how hard is that limit.

Another point I'm worried about is how to unsolder these guys. Our pcb
will host 12 of these guys with a pitch of ~2 cm. Considering that the
pinout of our package is kind of off standard I can hardly imagine to
have a tool designed to heat all the pins to allow unsoldering. The only
thing that comes to my mind is with a hot gun with a large area,
preheating the pcb first and then blowing hot hair only on the guy to be
replaced. But I'm not such an expert in this area and any suggestion is
appreciated.

p.s.: thanks to Rich Webb who re-posted this on a more appropriate NG.

I'd think very carefully about using flex. You can solder them to a
flex circuit that attaches to the board via an FFC connector. That way,
when the board needs reworking, you can just pop the MPPCs off for
safekeeping.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs
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Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

160 North State Road #203
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510
845-480-2058

hobbs at electrooptical dot net
http://electrooptical.net

alb · Sep 14, 2012

On 9/12/2012 2:25 PM, Phil Hobbs wrote:
[...]

I'm working on the soldering process of a component with phosphor bronze
pins onto a fairly standard FR-4 multilayer PCB. The component is a
light detector (MPPC: Multi Pixel Photon Counter) and I still do not
know what is the amount of heat to deal with.

Is there any recommendation on soldering this components on a pre-tinned
pad?
[...]

I'd think very carefully about using flex. You can solder them to a
flex circuit that attaches to the board via an FFC connector. That way,
when the board needs reworking, you can just pop the MPPCs off for
safekeeping.

using the flex can be indeed a viable solution. We want to avoid having
the connector on the other end so I need to think about how to solder
the flex onto the pcb and what is the bent radius with the flex since I
cannot afford to have too much space between the pcb and those devices.

The device-flex soldering can be easily done I think, but from flex to
pcb we may need to go across a slot in the pcb if we want to solder on
the opposite side to facilitate the rework in case needed (assume you
want to remove the device).

This is a very primitive sketch of the two situations:
________
|______|
======== <-- device
-|----|- <-- pin through flex
\ <-- flex curvature
_______/ <-- flex soldered on pcb
============== <-- pcb

or
________
|______|
======== <-- device
-|----|- <-- pin through flex
\ <-- flex curvature
======== | = <-- flex going through pcb
--------/ <-- flex soldered on pcb

In both cases the curvature is rather small and I'm not sure it would be
easy to use any automatic process to solder it (we have to produce
hundreds of thousands).

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Phil Hobbs · Sep 14, 2012

alb wrote:

On 9/12/2012 2:25 PM, Phil Hobbs wrote:
[...]
I'm working on the soldering process of a component with phosphor bronze
pins onto a fairly standard FR-4 multilayer PCB. The component is a
light detector (MPPC: Multi Pixel Photon Counter) and I still do not
know what is the amount of heat to deal with.

Is there any recommendation on soldering this components on a pre-tinned
pad?
[...]

I'd think very carefully about using flex. You can solder them to a
flex circuit that attaches to the board via an FFC connector. That way,
when the board needs reworking, you can just pop the MPPCs off for
safekeeping.

using the flex can be indeed a viable solution. We want to avoid having
the connector on the other end so I need to think about how to solder
the flex onto the pcb and what is the bent radius with the flex since I
cannot afford to have too much space between the pcb and those devices.

The device-flex soldering can be easily done I think, but from flex to
pcb we may need to go across a slot in the pcb if we want to solder on
the opposite side to facilitate the rework in case needed (assume you
want to remove the device).

This is a very primitive sketch of the two situations:
________
|______|
======== <-- device
-|----|- <-- pin through flex
\ <-- flex curvature
_______/ <-- flex soldered on pcb
============== <-- pcb

or
________
|______|
======== <-- device
-|----|- <-- pin through flex
\ <-- flex curvature
======== | = <-- flex going through pcb
--------/ <-- flex soldered on pcb

In both cases the curvature is rather small and I'm not sure it would be
easy to use any automatic process to solder it (we have to produce
hundreds of thousands).

Good flex will take a hard crease, once. You can accordion-pleat it if
you need to.

(I've often thought about how badly Hamamatsu needs a racing division.
They make great stuff, but their instruments could use some jazzing up.)

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

160 North State Road #203
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510
845-480-2058

hobbs at electrooptical dot net
http://electrooptical.net

Jim Thompson · Sep 15, 2012

On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 09:14:58 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

The reality...

The International Franchise Association held a convention in
Washington this week where most of the Radio Shack, Dunkin Donuts,
Curves and other franchisers were grumbling about new federal
regulations, especially the impact of Obamacare.

Most, said Atlanta Taco Bell and Kentucky Fried Chicken franchiser
David Barr, presumed that the reports about how hard Obamacare will
hit them were overblown. "They had their head in the sand," he told
Secrets.

That is until he pulled out his powerpoint showing how funding
Obamacare will cut his--and likely their--profits in half overnight.
With simple math the small business folks understood, he spelled out
that their only choice is to slash employee hours so they aren't
eligible for company-paid health care or stop offering insurance and
pay the $2,000 per employee fine.

Barr has 23 stores with 421 employees, 109 of whom are full-time. Of
those, he provides 30 with health insurance. Barr said he pays 81
percent of their Blue Cross Blue Shield policy, or $4,073 of $5,028
for individuals, more for families, for a total bill of $129,000 a
year. Employees pay $995.

Under Obamacare, however, he will have to provide health insurance for
all 109 full-time workers, a cost of $444,000, or two and half times
more than his current costs. That $315,000 increase is equal to just
over half his annual profit, after expenses, or 1.5 percent of sales.
As a result, he said, "I'm not paying $444,000."

Providing no insurance would result in a federal fine of $158,000,
$29,000 more than he now spends but the lowest cost possible under the
Obamacare law. So he now views that as his cap and he'll either cut
worker hours or replace them with machines to get his costs down or
dump them on the public health exchange and pay the fine. "Every
business has a way to eliminate jobs," he said, "but that's not good
for them or me."

But that's not all. His experience tells him that most low-wage
workers he would have to cover under Obamacare won't take it because
their $995 share is too high, meaning those the program was set up for
won't see any benefit. And those who do will because they have major
health issues, likely resulting in higher premiums to him.

...Jim Thompson
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miso · Sep 15, 2012

"That $315,000 increase is equal to just over half his annual profit,
after expenses, or 1.5 percent of sales."

Ask me if I give a shit about someone making $630k a year. Ok, I don't.

Barr is an ignorant asshole. He doesn't deserve his franchises.

First of all, all his competitors are in the same boat. They have to
provide the same insurance. If he needs to raise prices to cover the
insurance, then they will too. If he is so fucking stupid that he
doesn't know this, then someone should buy his franchises and let him
retire. He can stand on the corner with a 3 corner hat and rant about
Ron Paul all day.

This shithead has 421 employees, but only provides 30 with insurance.
You know what that means? The rest are paid so poorly that they can't
afford insurance on the open market, so they just clog up the emergency
room when they are sick. The hospitals are required to treat everyone,
so the cost is then spread to those that do pay their bills. I PAY MY
HEALTHCARE INSURANCE. SO SHOULD EVERYONE ELSE!

Barr is a leach upon society. He can't go out of business fast enough in
my opinion. Let someone with a bit more business savvy take up the slack.

Nico Coesel · Sep 15, 2012

Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com>
wrote:

On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 09:14:58 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

The reality...

The International Franchise Association held a convention in
Washington this week where most of the Radio Shack, Dunkin Donuts,
Curves and other franchisers were grumbling about new federal
regulations, especially the impact of Obamacare.

Barr has 23 stores with 421 employees, 109 of whom are full-time. Of
those, he provides 30 with health insurance. Barr said he pays 81
percent of their Blue Cross Blue Shield policy, or $4,073 of $5,028
for individuals, more for families, for a total bill of $129,000 a
year. Employees pay $995.

Under Obamacare, however, he will have to provide health insurance for
all 109 full-time workers, a cost of $444,000, or two and half times
more than his current costs. That $315,000 increase is equal to just
over half his annual profit, after expenses, or 1.5 percent of sales.
As a result, he said, "I'm not paying $444,000."

So his profit margin is 3%? That doesn't sound like a healthy business
to begin with. That is more like a social employment facility. OTOH if
he raises the price of his product by 1.5% he already covered the
costs of the healthcare plane.

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Jim Thompson · Sep 15, 2012

On Sat, 15 Sep 2012 08:55:23 -0700 (PDT), Robert Macy
<robert.a.macy@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sep 14, 6:02 pm, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@On-My-
Web-Site.com> wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 09:14:58 -0700, Jim Thompson

To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

The reality...

The International Franchise Association held a convention in
Washington this week where most of the Radio Shack, Dunkin Donuts,
Curves and other franchisers were grumbling about new federal
regulations, especially the impact of Obamacare.

Most, said Atlanta Taco Bell and Kentucky Fried Chicken franchiser
David Barr, presumed that the reports about how hard Obamacare will
hit them were overblown. "They had their head in the sand," he told
Secrets.

That is until he pulled out his powerpoint showing how funding
Obamacare will cut his--and likely their--profits in half overnight.
With simple math the small business folks understood, he spelled out
that their only choice is to slash employee hours so they aren't
eligible for company-paid health care or stop offering insurance and
pay the $2,000 per employee fine.

Barr has 23 stores with 421 employees, 109 of whom are full-time. Of
those, he provides 30 with health insurance. Barr said he pays 81
percent of their Blue Cross Blue Shield policy, or $4,073 of $5,028
for individuals, more for families, for a total bill of $129,000 a
year. Employees pay $995.

Under Obamacare, however, he will have to provide health insurance for
all 109 full-time workers, a cost of $444,000, or two and half times
more than his current costs. That $315,000 increase is equal to just
over half his annual profit, after expenses, or 1.5 percent of sales.
As a result, he said, "I'm not paying $444,000."

Providing no insurance would result in a federal fine of $158,000,
$29,000 more than he now spends but the lowest cost possible under the
Obamacare law. So he now views that as his cap and he'll either cut
worker hours or replace them with machines to get his costs down or
dump them on the public health exchange and pay the fine. "Every
business has a way to eliminate jobs," he said, "but that's not good
for them or me."

But that's not all. His experience tells him that most low-wage
workers he would have to cover under Obamacare won't take it because
their $995 share is too high, meaning those the program was set up for
won't see any benefit. And those who do will because they have major
health issues, likely resulting in higher premiums to him.

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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

23 stores?! 421 employees? and he only makes $800k/yr !!! Is that
'pure' profit that NEVER has to be dipped into? ouch that's not much
money for a LOT of head aches.

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