Driver to drive?

[John Fields]

On Thu, 09 Feb 2012 10:31:48 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Thu, 09 Feb 2012 10:55:03 -0600, John Fields
jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

On Wed, 08 Feb 2012 11:49:37 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Wed, 08 Feb 2012 08:49:11 -0800, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Wed, 8 Feb 2012 07:32:11 -0800 (PST), George Herold
gherold@teachspin.com> wrote:

On Feb 8, 9:48 am, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@On-My-
Web-Site.com> wrote:
On Tue, 07 Feb 2012 22:09:33 -0800, John Larkin





jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
On Tue, 7 Feb 2012 19:39:47 -0800 (PST), George Herold
gher...@teachspin.com> wrote:

On Feb 7, 9:53 pm, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@On-My-
Web-Site.com> wrote:
On Tue, 07 Feb 2012 18:40:31 -0800, John Larkin

jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
On Sun, 5 Feb 2012 17:22:24 -0800 (PST), dagmargoodb...@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Feb 5, 5:39 pm, Jim Thompson wrote:
On Sun, 05 Feb 2012 14:08:18 -0800, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 05 Feb 2012 13:28:58 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

So far, life has been a huge amount of fun. But what does that have to
do with diodes?

The same as talking amps of current in a 1N4148.

http://www.nxp.com/documents/data_sheet/1N4148_1N4448.pdf

Looks effectively ohmic above 50mA (Fig. 3).

Yup. The slope is just about 1 ohm. The dynamic impedance of a PN
junction is 1 ohm at 25 mA.

Closer to 26mA ;-)

                                        ...Jim Thompson
--
[snip]

- Show quoted text -

1 ohm is a pretty good number for a small junction.  I measured a
2n3904 about the same.

Neat, how the resistance goes to ~1.5 ohms at ~450K.

George H.

Yup, the ohmic part has a positive TC.

Huh?  It does, but George was taking about the kT/qI portion...
450/300=1.5 ;-)

Opps, I was talking about the resistive part. It should also scale
with the absolute temperature, if the resistance is from some hunk of
'metal'.

Yes, I thought you were. JT's comment didn't make sense.

Why? Because you don't understand kT/qI ?

Perfect diode, no resistive term, DYNAMIC impedance scales linearly
with temperature (°K). So a perfect diode operating a 26mA at 300°K
has a DYNAMIC impedance of 1 Ohm; and 1.5 Ohm DYNAMIC impedance at
450°K.

Perhaps someone would plot 1N4148 forward drop on LOG paper so we can
easily see the bulk R breakpoint (and the _dirt_ at low currents, the
ISR coefficient in the model).

...Jim Thompson

---
Not 1N4148 per se, but silicon in general.

news:r1u7j79mdi2c4g5bdtpcap7f1oopccrkup@4ax.com

From Motorola's 1980 silicon rectifier data manual.

Yep. Actually, that double curve reminds me that, if you do that for
IB _and_ IC of a _transistor_, you can derive all kinds of model
parameters. I did that, with assistance from my son Aaron, in the
early '80's writing the solution of that problem as a Pascal
executable. (Damn! I thought nothing of it then, but Aaron was only
12 years old at the time! He's gone on to be in charge of all
software creation and utilization for the world's largest call-center
corporation... working from his farm house in San Tan Valley, AZ

...Jim Thompson

---
You've done well, Jim, congratulations.

--
JF

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Thu, 09 Feb 2012 18:17:38 -0600, John Fields
<jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

On Thu, 09 Feb 2012 10:31:48 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Thu, 09 Feb 2012 10:55:03 -0600, John Fields
jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

On Wed, 08 Feb 2012 11:49:37 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Wed, 08 Feb 2012 08:49:11 -0800, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Wed, 8 Feb 2012 07:32:11 -0800 (PST), George Herold
gherold@teachspin.com> wrote:

On Feb 8, 9:48 am, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@On-My-
Web-Site.com> wrote:
On Tue, 07 Feb 2012 22:09:33 -0800, John Larkin





jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
On Tue, 7 Feb 2012 19:39:47 -0800 (PST), George Herold
gher...@teachspin.com> wrote:

On Feb 7, 9:53 pm, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@On-My-
Web-Site.com> wrote:
On Tue, 07 Feb 2012 18:40:31 -0800, John Larkin

jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
On Sun, 5 Feb 2012 17:22:24 -0800 (PST), dagmargoodb...@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Feb 5, 5:39 pm, Jim Thompson wrote:
On Sun, 05 Feb 2012 14:08:18 -0800, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 05 Feb 2012 13:28:58 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

So far, life has been a huge amount of fun. But what does that have to
do with diodes?

The same as talking amps of current in a 1N4148.

http://www.nxp.com/documents/data_sheet/1N4148_1N4448.pdf

Looks effectively ohmic above 50mA (Fig. 3).

Yup. The slope is just about 1 ohm. The dynamic impedance of a PN
junction is 1 ohm at 25 mA.

Closer to 26mA ;-)

                                        ...Jim Thompson
--
[snip]

- Show quoted text -

1 ohm is a pretty good number for a small junction.  I measured a
2n3904 about the same.

Neat, how the resistance goes to ~1.5 ohms at ~450K.

George H.

Yup, the ohmic part has a positive TC.

Huh?  It does, but George was taking about the kT/qI portion...
450/300=1.5 ;-)

Opps, I was talking about the resistive part. It should also scale
with the absolute temperature, if the resistance is from some hunk of
'metal'.

Yes, I thought you were. JT's comment didn't make sense.

Why? Because you don't understand kT/qI ?

Perfect diode, no resistive term, DYNAMIC impedance scales linearly
with temperature (°K). So a perfect diode operating a 26mA at 300°K
has a DYNAMIC impedance of 1 Ohm; and 1.5 Ohm DYNAMIC impedance at
450°K.

Perhaps someone would plot 1N4148 forward drop on LOG paper so we can
easily see the bulk R breakpoint (and the _dirt_ at low currents, the
ISR coefficient in the model).

...Jim Thompson

---
Not 1N4148 per se, but silicon in general.

news:r1u7j79mdi2c4g5bdtpcap7f1oopccrkup@4ax.com

From Motorola's 1980 silicon rectifier data manual.

Yep. Actually, that double curve reminds me that, if you do that for
IB _and_ IC of a _transistor_, you can derive all kinds of model
parameters. I did that, with assistance from my son Aaron, in the
early '80's writing the solution of that problem as a Pascal
executable. (Damn! I thought nothing of it then, but Aaron was only
12 years old at the time! He's gone on to be in charge of all
software creation and utilization for the world's largest call-center
corporation... working from his farm house in San Tan Valley, AZ

...Jim Thompson

---
You've done well, Jim, congratulations.

Yep. All my children have done me proud ;-)

...Jim Thompson
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[The_Giant_Rat_of_Sumatra]

On Thu, 09 Feb 2012 09:38:13 -0600, amdx <amdx@knologynotthis.net> wrote:

On 2/9/2012 8:44 AM, The_Giant_Rat_of_Sumatra wrote:
On Thu, 09 Feb 2012 13:12:15 +0000, Pomegranate Bastard
pommyB@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:

Would you please supply some evidence of your claims?

You don't even know what a 10Gb/s optical port looks like either,
jackass.

You are truly pathetic, and a total loser.

The only response a retard like you knows is "stalk and jab".

Hey Rat,

Hey jerk off!

Please quietly leave my thread!

This is NOT *your* anything, you retarded fuck. You have ZERO
ownership of anything here in Usenet, you fucking total retard.

Thanks, Mikek

Fuck you, jackoff. Please die and quit wasting oxygen.

 

[The_Giant_Rat_of_Sumatra]

On Thu, 09 Feb 2012 17:56:35 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

Makes you wonder what they paid him for at Time Warner, if he wasn't
smart enough to install a terminator.

I was fine you fucking retard. Learn to read. My remarks were about
the fucktards all around me, not myself. I actually learned about what
things one does NOT do as a cable installer, and cutting corners on
policy was high on the list.

Makes me wonder why anyone would have ever paid a retarded presumptuous
asswipe like you, if you cannot even read a simple Usenet post.

 

[amdx]

On 2/9/2012 7:22 PM, The_Giant_Rat_of_Sumatra wrote:

On Thu, 09 Feb 2012 09:38:13 -0600, amdx<amdx@knologynotthis.net> wrote:

On 2/9/2012 8:44 AM, The_Giant_Rat_of_Sumatra wrote:
On Thu, 09 Feb 2012 13:12:15 +0000, Pomegranate Bastard
pommyB@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:

Would you please supply some evidence of your claims?

You don't even know what a 10Gb/s optical port looks like either,
jackass.

You are truly pathetic, and a total loser.

The only response a retard like you knows is "stalk and jab".

Hey Rat,

Hey jerk off!

Please quietly leave my thread!

This is NOT *your* anything, you retarded fuck. You have ZERO
ownership of anything here in Usenet, you fucking total retard.

Oh darn, that didn't work.

Fuck you, jackoff. Please die and quit wasting oxygen.

Have a nice day, I'm sure you deserve it.

Mikek

 

[tom]

On 2/8/2012 11:38 PM, The_Giant_Rat_of_Sumatra wrote:

On Wed, 08 Feb 2012 22:20:13 -0600, tom<news4792@taring.org> wrote:

On 2/8/2012 9:44 PM, krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Wed, 08 Feb 2012 18:52:10 -0800, The_Giant_Rat_of_Sumatra
GeorgeTirebiter@drmemory.org> wrote:

On Wed, 8 Feb 2012 18:21:19 -0800 (PST), Mark<makolber@yahoo.com> wrote:



Just a point. I may not have made it clear. I had the tech put in two
2way splitters and connect me to the first one. Hoping to gain 3db.
(or 4) and it did make a difference.

Where does the other leg of that splitter go to? And is that end
properly terminated?



Cable installers terminating things? You must be fucking joking.
They would have to have an IQ above 25 for that.

*WAY* above your pay grade.

Sorry I posted mine before I updated inbound posts and saw yours.

Yours is better.

tom
K0TAR

More mental masturbation. You must be a mere fucking cable installer.

Bwuahahahahahahaahahahahahahaa!

You and the KiethKeithStain are nothing more than mental masturbating
dumbfucks. Yer gonna get TARred and feathered, K0 boy.

Nice to have amusing idiots back again.

And I am way above your paygrade. But that is obvious to anyone that
graduated any grade, even first, which you obviously have not.

tom
K0TAR

 

[tom]

On 2/8/2012 11:35 PM, The_Giant_Rat_of_Sumatra wrote:

On Wed, 08 Feb 2012 22:17:05 -0600, tom<news4792@taring.org> wrote:

On 2/8/2012 8:52 PM, The_Giant_Rat_of_Sumatra wrote:
On Wed, 8 Feb 2012 18:21:19 -0800 (PST), Mark<makolber@yahoo.com> wrote:



Just a point. I may not have made it clear. I had the tech put in two
2way splitters and connect me to the first one. Hoping to gain 3db.
(or 4) and it did make a difference.

Where does the other leg of that splitter go to? And is that end
properly terminated?



Cable installers terminating things? You must be bleeping joking.
They would have to have an IQ above 25 for that.


Which would obviously be considerably greater than yours.

tom
K0TAR

Said the *TOTAL* fucking retard who doesn't know me, or a goddamned
thing about me.

I did more last week to make the world a batter place than a putz like
you ever has or ever will in your entire, pathetic life.

And it was ALL absolutely telecommunications related.

Yeah, yer battin' 1000 there bub. NOT!

I'd bet cash at Vegas that you've never even seen what a 10Gb/s optical
port looks like, much less anything about its operation.

The only thing about "10" you have familiarity with is YOUR IQ.

You must be some cable trash asswipe residential hole popper
"installer" wanna be fucktard.

Yeah, you got the fucktard part right. Fits you to a "T".

Stick that up you TAR, K0 boy! You FUCKING RETARD! FOAD!

Interesting how little you bother to learn about the people you swear
at. At least I can put a sentence together.

And I was leading 10M$ engineering projects while you were installing cable.

There is nothing you can spout that would denigrate me.

tom
K0TAR

 

[tom]

On 2/8/2012 11:35 PM, The_Giant_Rat_of_Sumatra wrote:

K0TAR

Said the *TOTAL* fucking retard who doesn't know me, or a goddamned
thing about me.

I did more last week to make the world a batter place than a putz like
you ever has or ever will in your entire, pathetic life.

And it was ALL absolutely telecommunications related.

Yeah, yer battin' 1000 there bub. NOT!

I'd bet cash at Vegas that you've never even seen what a 10Gb/s optical
port looks like, much less anything about its operation.

The only thing about "10" you have familiarity with is YOUR IQ.

You must be some cable trash asswipe residential hole popper
"installer" wanna be fucktard.

Yeah, you got the fucktard part right. Fits you to a "T".

Stick that up you TAR, K0 boy! You FUCKING RETARD! FOAD!

You seem to be trying to compensate for some serious low self esteem
issues. I'd suggest you get some professional help.

tom
K0TAR

 

[tom]

On 2/8/2012 11:35 PM, The_Giant_Rat_of_Sumatra wrote:

Said the *TOTAL* fucking retard who doesn't know me, or a goddamned
thing about me.

I did more last week to make the world a batter place than a putz like
you ever has or ever will in your entire, pathetic life.

And it was ALL absolutely telecommunications related.

Yeah, yer battin' 1000 there bub. NOT!

I'd bet cash at Vegas that you've never even seen what a 10Gb/s optical
port looks like, much less anything about its operation.

The only thing about "10" you have familiarity with is YOUR IQ.

You must be some cable trash asswipe residential hole popper
"installer" wanna be fucktard.

Yeah, you got the fucktard part right. Fits you to a "T".

Stick that up you TAR, K0 boy! You FUCKING RETARD! FOAD!

I was lead at the first fiber campus install in the US. 1985.

Top that pal.

You got nothin.

tom
K0TAR

 

[tom]

On 2/9/2012 9:18 PM, tom wrote:

I was lead at the first fiber campus install in the US. 1985.

And that would be college campus. Don't know about other types.

tom
K0TAR

 

[The_Giant_Rat_of_Sumatra]

On Thu, 09 Feb 2012 16:02:35 +0000, Pomegranate Bastard
<pommyB@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:

On Thu, 09 Feb 2012 06:44:45 -0800, The_Giant_Rat_of_Sumatra
GeorgeTirebiter@drmemory.org> wrote:

On Thu, 09 Feb 2012 13:12:15 +0000, Pomegranate Bastard
pommyB@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:

Would you please supply some evidence of your claims?

You don't even know what a 10Gb/s optical port looks like either,
jackass.

You are truly pathetic, and a total loser.

The only response a retard like you knows is "stalk and jab".

Would you please supply some evidence of your claims?

You wouldn't know what a constellation measurement was if one bit you in
the ass, much less understand it. Nuff said.

 

[josephkk]

On Sun, 05 Feb 2012 18:03:47 -0800, Winston <Winston@Bigbrother.net>
wrote:

josephkk wrote:

Over 100 nyms, all vulgar, arrogant, ignorant, and clueless. Reply to
NymNoNutz at your own risk.

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If i decide that John Doe is in that class, feeding will cease. I ceased
feeding NymNoNutz long ago.

?-)

 

[tom]

On 2/9/2012 10:27 PM, The_Giant_Rat_of_Sumatra wrote:

You wouldn't know what a constellation measurement was if one bit you in
the ass, much less understand it. Nuff said.

Holy crap! He's made it to the 1970s!

tom
K0TAR

 

[josephkk]

On Tue, 07 Feb 2012 10:30:34 -0800, John Larkin
<jlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

Yet other imbeciles persist in feeding the troll, ensuring his position at the
podium. If everyone shunned him, he'd become invisible... and cease being
annoying.

...Jim Thompson

Larkin's narcissism is such that he thinks he can rescue even such as
NymNoNuts.

?-)

It never hurts to experiment.

Vanity thy name is John Larkin.

?-)

 

[The_Giant_Rat_of_Sumatra]

On Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:29:01 -0600, tom <news4792@taring.org> wrote:

Nice to have amusing idiots back again.

Actually, asshole, folks here would like it if you would leave.

Bad enough seeing dopes like SkyBuck here, now we have to see idiots
like you and krw as well. No, dumbfuck, you are not amusing, idiot.

Did ya catch the FOAD in that, boy?

 

[josephkk]

On 07 Feb 2012 05:34:22 GMT, John Doe <jdoe@usenetlove.invalid> wrote:

josephkk <joseph_barrett sbcglobal.net> wrote:

On Thu, 02 Feb 2012 07:20:52 -0800, John Larkin
jjlarkin highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Thu, 02 Feb 2012 11:55:35 +0000, Pomegranate Bastard
pommyB dsl.pipex.com> wrote:

On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 19:07:25 -0800, John Larkin
jjlarkin highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 18:17:26 -0800, MassiveProng
MassiveProng thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote:

On 31 Jan 2012 15:52:23 GMT, John Doe <jdoe usenetlove.invalid
wrote:

Nobody forces anybody else to do anything on UseNet. Your mother
should have taught you self-control.

Nobody forces you to make absolutely retarded, meaningless posts,
yet
you insist on doing so. The word is Usenet, idiot.

Your RETARDED, CRIMINAL mother should be jailed for failing to
flush
you, the moment the stupid slut shat you.

You keep repeating that image. That's sick in so many way

This is Nymbecile's favourite insult.

It's yet another demonstration of what a sad, useless life this
imbecile leads.

Beyond sad. Really, really sick.

So why do you keep responding to AlwaysWrong?

The post was four days ago. Are you still trolling this thread?

Are you still trolling Usenet? This is not a blog or a IRC chat group.

?-(

 

[The_Giant_Rat_of_Sumatra]

On Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:34:43 -0600, tom <news4792@taring.org> wrote:

Interesting how little you bother to learn about the people you swear
at.

Interesting how fucktards like you make presumptions about people (and
include insults), and then forget that you even did it, and act as if I
am some kind of offender against you because I called you the fucktard
you are for doing it..

You are as fucking retarded as it gets, boy. Your mother should be
jailed.

 

[The_Giant_Rat_of_Sumatra]

On Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:34:43 -0600, tom <news4792@taring.org> wrote:

At least I can put a sentence together.

Is that what you call that?

 

[The_Giant_Rat_of_Sumatra]

On Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:34:43 -0600, tom <news4792@taring.org> wrote:

And I was leading 10M$ engineering projects while you were installing cable.

Yes, and now I am leading $400M (yes, idiot, the dollar sign goes in
front) telecom projects which include spaceborne elements and the fastest
gateways on the planet and put Americans to work all over the nation in
support, and you get to type stupid shit in Usenet and on your facebook
facetard account and wither away like the old, dead fuck you are.

Soon enough, you'll be as senile as krw is and you won't even be able
to cut a cable fitting, and I will be still taking cross country tours
and racing on my bike and barefoot water skiing and living until 2110.
Hell, I'll set records. I am just getting started.

Yes, idiot... you are amusing, sometimes. Bwuahahahahahaha!

 

[The_Giant_Rat_of_Sumatra]

On Thu, 09 Feb 2012 21:24:45 -0600, tom <news4792@taring.org> wrote:

On 2/9/2012 9:18 PM, tom wrote:

I was lead at the first fiber campus install in the US. 1985.

And that would be college campus. Don't know about other types.

tom
K0TAR

Yes, and the fiber was obsolete within a few years after installation,
and is not compatible with the standardized cabling and I/O methodology
in use today. Even modern copper Ethernet is faster than that 20 year
old 100Mb/s obsolete fiber and that number was before the overhead.

Whoopie doo, the ditz knows how to polish a face. Not even required
any more.