Does you soldering iron glow ?

[David L. Jones]

"Jason James" <at@peace.com> wrote in message
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"Phil Allison" <philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
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** Hi to all,

" Does your chewing gum loose its flavour on the bed post overnight "
was THE burning question on everyone's mind back in the 1959 -
courtesy
of one Lonnie Donegan. Yep - I am old just enough the remember hearing
it
on AM radio.

But my question IS can YOU see any red glow from a typical soldering
iron - in the dark of course. You will need to try this out, in a dark
room, at night - after allowing a few minutes for your eyes to adjust
to
the very low light level.

Would just like to know what temperature is needed to create a barely
visible, dull red glow.

So far, I reckon it is a bit less than 370 C.

Any takers?

Quick answer: No. If it is, it's too hot.

Rubbish. A standard weller tip is 370C
Other stanard temps for fixed temp weller tips are 315C, 430C, and 480C

The only irons that will get to
that sort of heat is the old large Scope iron with the 3.3 volt AC tranny.

LOL!
Any variable temp iron goes to well over 400C
The industry standard Hakko 926/936 for instance goes to 480C on the dial.
Actually, I don't think I've ever seen a variable temp iron that doesn't go
to at least 400C.

Dave.

 

[Phil Allison]

"Dan"
"Phil Allison"

Would just like to know what temperature is needed to create a barely
visible, dull red glow.

This will only work if you have a shitty soldering iron.

** Drivel ......

Iron or steel needs to get to about 480 degrees for it to glow red.

** All depends on the ambient light level - plus the eyes of the observer.

Which is just what my Q was all about.

If you have a shitty iron that is 480 degrees at the top and 300 at your
temp censor you can probably do it. But I seem to remember you would need
400W to get the metal hot enough.

** Your memories are very seamy - indeed.



..... Phil

 

[Jason James]

"Phil Allison" <philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
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"Jason James"


But my question IS can YOU see any red glow from a typical
soldering
iron - in the dark of course. You will need to try this out, in a dark
room, at night - after allowing a few minutes for your eyes to adjust
to
the very low light level.

Would just like to know what temperature is needed to create a barely
visible, dull red glow.

So far, I reckon it is a bit less than 370 C.

Any takers?

Quick answer: No. If it is, it's too hot.


** 370C is the standard temp for a soldering iron - idiot.


The only irons that will get to
that sort of heat is the old large Scope iron with the 3.3 volt AC
tranny.


** You have not bothered to read the question.

Piss head.

Never have I seen anyone using a soldering iron on radio work that is
glowing. The temp range may allow you to achieve this state,..but only a
moron would use it in that state. The tin burns off the tip, it carbonises,
a complete mess.

Jason

 

[Fun Tyme]

Jason James wrote:

"Phil Allison" <philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
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"Jason James"

But my question IS can YOU see any red glow from a typical
soldering
iron - in the dark of course. You will need to try this out, in a dark
room, at night - after allowing a few minutes for your eyes to adjust
to
the very low light level.

Would just like to know what temperature is needed to create a barely
visible, dull red glow.

So far, I reckon it is a bit less than 370 C.

Any takers?
Quick answer: No. If it is, it's too hot.

** 370C is the standard temp for a soldering iron - idiot.


The only irons that will get to
that sort of heat is the old large Scope iron with the 3.3 volt AC
tranny.

** You have not bothered to read the question.

Piss head.

Never have I seen anyone using a soldering iron on radio work that is
glowing. The temp range may allow you to achieve this state,..but only a
moron would use it in that state. The tin burns off the tip, it carbonises,
a complete mess.

Jason

Carbonises ? ...it might oxidise or evaporate but where is this carbon
coming from ?

 

[Jason James]

"Fun Tyme" <fntym@wallabycock.net> wrote in message
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Jason James wrote:
"Phil Allison" <philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
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"Jason James"

But my question IS can YOU see any red glow from a typical
soldering
iron - in the dark of course. You will need to try this out, in a
dark
room, at night - after allowing a few minutes for your eyes to
adjust
to
the very low light level.

Would just like to know what temperature is needed to create a barely
visible, dull red glow.

So far, I reckon it is a bit less than 370 C.

Any takers?
Quick answer: No. If it is, it's too hot.

** 370C is the standard temp for a soldering iron - idiot.


The only irons that will get to
that sort of heat is the old large Scope iron with the 3.3 volt AC
tranny.

** You have not bothered to read the question.

Piss head.

Never have I seen anyone using a soldering iron on radio work that is
glowing. The temp range may allow you to achieve this state,..but only a
moron would use it in that state. The tin burns off the tip, it
carbonises,
a complete mess.

Jason



Carbonises ? ...it might oxidise or evaporate but where is this carbon
coming from ?

You win the chemistry question....

Allison should address his question to automotive radiator repairers where
the iron's job has a nice heat-sink effect to keep the tip low enough to
curtail destructive temps. I have never seen a technician operate his iron
with the tip glowing red FFS,..plus I wouldn't let an iron get that hot,
just to answer one of Allison's stupid questions. Let him fuckup his own
variable temp iron.

Jason

 

[Phil Allison]

"Jason James"
"Phil Allison"

** You have not bothered to read the question.

Piss head.

Never have I seen anyone using a soldering iron on radio work that is
glowing. The temp range may allow you to achieve this state,..but only a
moron would use it in that state. The tin burns off the tip, it
carbonises,
a complete mess.

** You STILL have not bothered to read the damn question !!!

Piss off - fuckhead.



....... Phil

 

[Phil Allison]

"Jason James"


** You STILL have not bothered to **read** the damn question !!!


Piss off - you total IMBECILE.





....... Phil

 

[David L. Jones]

"Jason James" <at@peace.com> wrote in message
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Allison should address his question to automotive radiator repairers where
the iron's job has a nice heat-sink effect to keep the tip low enough to
curtail destructive temps. I have never seen a technician operate his iron
with the tip glowing red FFS

Right, so you've never actually used a variable temp iron, you just watch
other technicians?
The tip never "glows red", even at the max 480degC on a Hakko.
Sometimes you have to turn it up that high temorarily for some rework jobs
etc.

plus I wouldn't let an iron get that hot,
just to answer one of Allison's stupid questions. Let him fuckup his own
variable temp iron.

Have you figured out yet that 370C, 430C, and 480C are actually standard
Weller tip temps?

Dave.

 

[David L. Jones]

"Jason James" <at@peace.com> wrote in message
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Allison should address his question to automotive radiator repairers where
the iron's job has a nice heat-sink effect to keep the tip low enough to
curtail destructive temps. I have never seen a technician operate his iron
with the tip glowing red FFS

Right, so you've never actually used a variable temp iron, you just watch
other technicians?
The tip never "glows red", even at the max 480degC on a Hakko.
Sometimes you have to turn it up that high temorarily for some rework jobs
etc.

plus I wouldn't let an iron get that hot,
just to answer one of Allison's stupid questions. Let him fuckup his own
variable temp iron.

Have you figured out yet that 370C, 430C, and 480C are actually standard
Weller tip temps?

Dave.

 

[Jason James]

"David L. Jones" <altzone@gmail.com> wrote in message
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"Jason James" <at@peace.com> wrote in message
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Allison should address his question to automotive radiator repairers
where
the iron's job has a nice heat-sink effect to keep the tip low enough to
curtail destructive temps. I have never seen a technician operate his
iron
with the tip glowing red FFS

Right, so you've never actually used a variable temp iron, you just watch
other technicians?
The tip never "glows red", even at the max 480degC on a Hakko.
Sometimes you have to turn it up that high temorarily for some rework jobs
etc.

plus I wouldn't let an iron get that hot,
just to answer one of Allison's stupid questions. Let him fuckup his own
variable temp iron.

Have you figured out yet that 370C, 430C, and 480C are actually standard
Weller tip temps?

Have you done any circuit board work with a variable tip temp iron? If so,
are you saying you have operated your iron near or at flat-out temperatures
whilst doing your repairs etc?

Jason

 

[Phil Allison]

"Jason James Steaming Great Fuckwit "

Have you done any circuit board work with a variable tip temp iron? If so,
are you saying you have operated your iron near or at flat-out
temperatures
whilst doing your repairs etc?

** You STILL have not bothered to **read** the damn question !!!

Piss off - you total IMBECILE !!




....... Phil

 

[David L. Jones]

"Jason James" <at@peace.com> wrote in message
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"David L. Jones" <altzone@gmail.com> wrote in message
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"Jason James" <at@peace.com> wrote in message
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Allison should address his question to automotive radiator repairers
where
the iron's job has a nice heat-sink effect to keep the tip low enough
to
curtail destructive temps. I have never seen a technician operate his
iron
with the tip glowing red FFS

Right, so you've never actually used a variable temp iron, you just watch
other technicians?
The tip never "glows red", even at the max 480degC on a Hakko.
Sometimes you have to turn it up that high temorarily for some rework
jobs
etc.

plus I wouldn't let an iron get that hot,
just to answer one of Allison's stupid questions. Let him fuckup his
own
variable temp iron.

Have you figured out yet that 370C, 430C, and 480C are actually standard
Weller tip temps?

Have you done any circuit board work with a variable tip temp iron?

Yes, for the last 25 years or so, thanks.
Care to answer the same question I asked you?

If so,
are you saying you have operated your iron near or at flat-out
temperatures
whilst doing your repairs etc?

Of course I have, there are occasionas were higher temps are beneficial.
If you don't know why, then you really haven't got any experience at all.
There are reasons why variable temp irons have the capability to go well
over 400C, and there are high temperature tips to suit.

You are the one who made the foolish statement that 370C is too hot, and the
only iron that gets to that temp is an "old large Scope iron with the 3.3
volt AC tranny". You still standing by that?

Dave.

 

[Jason James]

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"Jason James" <at@peace.com> wrote in message
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"David L. Jones" <altzone@gmail.com> wrote in message
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"Jason James" <at@peace.com> wrote in message
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Allison should address his question to automotive radiator repairers
where
the iron's job has a nice heat-sink effect to keep the tip low enough
to
curtail destructive temps. I have never seen a technician operate his
iron
with the tip glowing red FFS

Right, so you've never actually used a variable temp iron, you just
watch
other technicians?
The tip never "glows red", even at the max 480degC on a Hakko.
Sometimes you have to turn it up that high temorarily for some rework
jobs
etc.

plus I wouldn't let an iron get that hot,
just to answer one of Allison's stupid questions. Let him fuckup his
own
variable temp iron.

Have you figured out yet that 370C, 430C, and 480C are actually
standard
Weller tip temps?

Have you done any circuit board work with a variable tip temp iron?

Yes, for the last 25 years or so, thanks.

Say no more. You have no idea.

Jason

Care to answer the same question I asked you?

If so,
are you saying you have operated your iron near or at flat-out
temperatures
whilst doing your repairs etc?

Of course I have, there are occasionas were higher temps are beneficial.
If you don't know why, then you really haven't got any experience at all.
There are reasons why variable temp irons have the capability to go well
over 400C, and there are high temperature tips to suit.

You are the one who made the foolish statement that 370C is too hot, and
the
only iron that gets to that temp is an "old large Scope iron with the 3.3
volt AC tranny". You still standing by that?

Dave.

 

[Phil Allison]

Jason James = Steaming Great Fuckwit

Have you done any circuit board work with a variable tip temp iron? If so,
are you saying you have operated your iron near or at flat-out
temperatures whilst doing your repairs etc?

** You STILL have not bothered to **read** the damn question !!!

Piss off to hell -

you total IMBECILE !!




....... Phil

 

[David L. Jones]

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"Jason James" <at@peace.com> wrote in message
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"David L. Jones" <altzone@gmail.com> wrote in message
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"Jason James" <at@peace.com> wrote in message
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Allison should address his question to automotive radiator repairers
where
the iron's job has a nice heat-sink effect to keep the tip low
enough
to
curtail destructive temps. I have never seen a technician operate
his
iron
with the tip glowing red FFS

Right, so you've never actually used a variable temp iron, you just
watch
other technicians?
The tip never "glows red", even at the max 480degC on a Hakko.
Sometimes you have to turn it up that high temorarily for some rework
jobs
etc.

plus I wouldn't let an iron get that hot,
just to answer one of Allison's stupid questions. Let him fuckup his
own
variable temp iron.

Have you figured out yet that 370C, 430C, and 480C are actually
standard
Weller tip temps?

Have you done any circuit board work with a variable tip temp iron?

Yes, for the last 25 years or so, thanks.

Say no more. You have no idea.

Jason

LMAO!
Classic digging oneself out of a usenet hole technique.
I'd suggest you stick to aus.cars
Thanks for the laughs.

Dave.

 

[The Real Andy]

On Sun, 11 May 2008 09:54:28 +1000, "David L. Jones"
<altzone@gmail.com> wrote:

"Jason James" <at@peace.com> wrote in message
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"Jason James" <at@peace.com> wrote in message
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"David L. Jones" <altzone@gmail.com> wrote in message
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"Jason James" <at@peace.com> wrote in message
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Allison should address his question to automotive radiator repairers
where
the iron's job has a nice heat-sink effect to keep the tip low
enough
to
curtail destructive temps. I have never seen a technician operate
his
iron
with the tip glowing red FFS

Right, so you've never actually used a variable temp iron, you just
watch
other technicians?
The tip never "glows red", even at the max 480degC on a Hakko.
Sometimes you have to turn it up that high temorarily for some rework
jobs
etc.

plus I wouldn't let an iron get that hot,
just to answer one of Allison's stupid questions. Let him fuckup his
own
variable temp iron.

Have you figured out yet that 370C, 430C, and 480C are actually
standard
Weller tip temps?

Have you done any circuit board work with a variable tip temp iron?

Yes, for the last 25 years or so, thanks.

Say no more. You have no idea.

Jason

LMAO!
Classic digging oneself out of a usenet hole technique.
I'd suggest you stick to aus.cars
Thanks for the laughs.

Dave.

Can you even buy weller irons these days? My first soldering iron (I
am a yougen compared to most) was an old weller in a bakelite case.
Someone had dropped it at my fathers work and smashed it to bits, so
he retreived it an crafted a new case for it out of wood. Worked a
treat and lasted for years. I remember learning the hard way once that
you can file those tips, took me months to save up for a new tip!

And Jason, I have worked on electronics for many years, and more often
than not I had the iron cranked up well over 370degC, and that was on
surface mount stuff. Think about those big heatsinks that come built
into SMPS sections, and switching fets etc. If you can solder a
surface mounted LM1117 without cranking up the temp then you obviously
more time than common sense. They design irons to go up to that temp
for a very good reason.

 

[Bobby]

"Phil Allison" <philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
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"Dan"
"Phil Allison"

Would just like to know what temperature is needed to create a barely
visible, dull red glow.

This will only work if you have a shitty soldering iron.

** Drivel ......

Iron or steel needs to get to about 480 degrees for it to glow red.


** All depends on the ambient light level - plus the eyes of the
observer.

Which is just what my Q was all about.


If you have a shitty iron that is 480 degrees at the top and 300 at your
temp censor you can probably do it. But I seem to remember you would need
400W to get the metal hot enough.


** Your memories are very seamy - indeed.



.... Phil

Phil Allison for President - I like his style!

 

[David L. Jones]

"The Real Andy" <therealandy@nospam.com> wrote in message

Can you even buy weller irons these days?

You sure can, more models than ever:
http://www.cooperhandtools.com/brands/weller/index.cfm?model_list=1&att_id=WEL003&att1=Soldering%20Stations&att2=Industrial%20Soldering%20Stations

A lot people still swear by their fix temp Wellers, but I've never been a
big fan for my own use. I've always preferred the flexibility of a variable
temp iron, and of course Weller make a full range of those now too (450degC
max for those playing along at home).

Fixed temp irons come into their own for production use though, much greater
control over your production process. No knobs for the operators to play
with.

Dave.

 

[Jason James]

"The Real Andy" <therealandy@nospam.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 11 May 2008 09:54:28 +1000, "David L. Jones"
altzone@gmail.com> wrote:


"Jason James" <at@peace.com> wrote in message
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"Jason James" <at@peace.com> wrote in message
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"Jason James" <at@peace.com> wrote in message
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Allison should address his question to automotive radiator
repairers
where
the iron's job has a nice heat-sink effect to keep the tip low
enough
to
curtail destructive temps. I have never seen a technician operate
his
iron
with the tip glowing red FFS

Right, so you've never actually used a variable temp iron, you just
watch
other technicians?
The tip never "glows red", even at the max 480degC on a Hakko.
Sometimes you have to turn it up that high temorarily for some
rework
jobs
etc.

plus I wouldn't let an iron get that hot,
just to answer one of Allison's stupid questions. Let him fuckup
his
own
variable temp iron.

Have you figured out yet that 370C, 430C, and 480C are actually
standard
Weller tip temps?

Have you done any circuit board work with a variable tip temp iron?

Yes, for the last 25 years or so, thanks.

Say no more. You have no idea.

Jason

LMAO!
Classic digging oneself out of a usenet hole technique.
I'd suggest you stick to aus.cars
Thanks for the laughs.

Dave.


Can you even buy weller irons these days? My first soldering iron (I
am a yougen compared to most) was an old weller in a bakelite case.
Someone had dropped it at my fathers work and smashed it to bits, so
he retreived it an crafted a new case for it out of wood. Worked a
treat and lasted for years. I remember learning the hard way once that
you can file those tips, took me months to save up for a new tip!

And Jason, I have worked on electronics for many years, and more often
than not I had the iron cranked up well over 370degC, and that was on
surface mount stuff. Think about those big heatsinks that come built
into SMPS sections, and switching fets etc. If you can solder a
surface mounted LM1117 without cranking up the temp then you obviously
more time than common sense. They design irons to go up to that temp
for a very good reason.

Lead temp and time heat is applied has always been a parameter I have kept
to an absolute minium, as many times we would be out in the scrub at a
remote A/G and link site with out of service time and occasionally spares at
a premium.
We used clip-on heat sinks for some applications, for as night follows day,
too much heat or on a lead for too long, would stuff the smaller
semiconductors.
It's a sense you get after experience, that indicated the less heat you use,
the less chance of damage. Using an iron which is so hot, it's tip is
glowing was once of the more gross mistakes newbies would make.

Jason

 

[The Real Andy]

On Mon, 12 May 2008 06:50:26 +1000, "Jason James" <at@peace.com>
wrote:

<snip>

And Jason, I have worked on electronics for many years, and more often
than not I had the iron cranked up well over 370degC, and that was on
surface mount stuff. Think about those big heatsinks that come built
into SMPS sections, and switching fets etc. If you can solder a
surface mounted LM1117 without cranking up the temp then you obviously
more time than common sense. They design irons to go up to that temp
for a very good reason.

Lead temp and time heat is applied has always been a parameter I have kept
to an absolute minium, as many times we would be out in the scrub at a
remote A/G and link site with out of service time and occasionally spares at
a premium.
We used clip-on heat sinks for some applications, for as night follows day,
too much heat or on a lead for too long, would stuff the smaller
semiconductors.
It's a sense you get after experience, that indicated the less heat you use,
the less chance of damage. Using an iron which is so hot, it's tip is
glowing was once of the more gross mistakes newbies would make.

Jason

When you get as good as me you dont need clip on heatsinks. I have
never had a heat damaged component. I choose the temperature according
to the soldering I am doing. IT comes with experience. BTW, I have
done remote work with little or no spares as well.

Now if you read phils post correctly, you would notice that not once
did he mention the fact that he was using the iron at that temp for
electronics work.

You also stated " The only irons that will get to
that sort of heat is the old large Scope iron with the 3.3 volt AC
tranny." which is totally incorrect also. My hakko iron goes up to
480degC, as does many I have worked with over the years. Check out
this baby, 200-450degC ->
http://www.hakko.com/english/products/hakko_fx950.html
and this
http://www.hakko.com/english/products/hakko_fm203.html

Phils post mentioned a temp of around 370degC would show the iron
glowing in the dark. Now I dont know about you, but even a newbie
would recognise this temp as being a perfectly fine temp for
soldering. Now if you take some time to go visit the weller website,
you will see that these newbies are selling standard 370degC tips.
They have been round for quite a while now, so i guess this has been a
gross mistake for many years now?

You see, from where I am sitting, all of your argument points to you
being the newbie.

Beside the point, this really has nothing to do with the question
asked in the original post.