Do Not Call register now working

[kreed]

On Aug 3, 9:48 am, "AJ" <itwasm...@hotmail.com> wrote:

"Bob Parker" <bobp.deletet...@bluebottle.com> wrote in message

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On 4/05/2007 14:35 Phil Allison wrote:
** Hi to all my fans ....

Bet you have ALL been waiting for this for years !!!!

The Australian Government "Do Not Call" register is finally set up.

http://www.dcita.gov.au/communications_for_consumers/telephone_servic...

You can register up to 3 private numbers, home or mobile, on line.

Unfortunately it won't stop 100% of those annoying calls - but will
likely stop most of the telephone spammers.

A new Industry Standard requires callers ( in the excluded categories) to
identify themselves and NOT use numbers that are blocked to Caller ID.

See:

http://www.acma.gov.au/WEB/STANDARD//pc=PC_100642

....... Phil

I dunno how everyone else is going, but my experience is that companies
like Telstra & banks etc seem to have the attitude that now that they
alone are allowed to call people, they can do as much high-pressure
telemarketing of products to their existing customers as they like.
The only difference is that their calling numbers aren't blocked. I'm
getting really sick of them.

Bob

I agree, ever since I have registered on this list I have received more Spam
calls than ever..... Frustrating

Regards

AJ

It doesnt seem to stop the indian "telephone/mobile plan" spam calls,
but has slowed them.

 

[Bob Parker]

On 3/08/2007 11:00 Don McKenzie wrote:

Actually under the new regulations, companies have to be very
careful with telemarketing calls to their own customers. I found this
out after our discussion yesterday.
Have a look at this document from the ACMA:
http://www.acma.gov.au/webwr/_assets/main/lib310037/is124_dncr-consent_consumer_info.pdf

The most relevant part is....

Withdrawing consent
If you are receiving telemarketing calls from a business with which
you have an existing relationship, and you do not wish to continue
receiving these calls, you should contact the business to request that
it remove you from its marketing list.
If you continue to receive telemarketing calls from the business after
you have withdrawn your consent, you can lodge a complaint by calling
the Do Not Call Register on 1300 792 958 or by visiting the register’s
website at www.donotcall.gov.au.

Bob


Withdrawing consent!!
great work Bob, that's the bottom line.


Don...

It was a relief to find that info on the ACMA website. Now all we
have to do is tell these parasites that we do *not* consent to receiving
their telemarketing calls, and if they do it again they're acting
outside the law and we'll lodge a complaint to ACMA.
I'll let you know if I have any success...

Bob

 

[Bob Parker]

On 3/08/2007 14:09 Bob Parker wrote:

On 3/08/2007 11:00 Don McKenzie wrote:

Actually under the new regulations, companies have to be very
careful with telemarketing calls to their own customers. I found this
out after our discussion yesterday.
Have a look at this document from the ACMA:
http://www.acma.gov.au/webwr/_assets/main/lib310037/is124_dncr-consent_consumer_info.pdf

The most relevant part is....

Withdrawing consent
If you are receiving telemarketing calls from a business with which
you have an existing relationship, and you do not wish to continue
receiving these calls, you should contact the business to request
that it remove you from its marketing list.
If you continue to receive telemarketing calls from the business
after you have withdrawn your consent, you can lodge a complaint by
calling the Do Not Call Register on 1300 792 958 or by visiting the
register’s website at www.donotcall.gov.au.

Bob


Withdrawing consent!!
great work Bob, that's the bottom line.


Don...

It was a relief to find that info on the ACMA website. Now all we
have to do is tell these parasites that we do *not* consent to receiving
their telemarketing calls, and if they do it again they're acting
outside the law and we'll lodge a complaint to ACMA.
I'll let you know if I have any success...

Bob

Telstra responded positively to my e-mail requesting removal from
their telemarketing lists. They asked for a few identifying details and
said it would be acted on.
Westpac replied and said they're following up my complaint/request.
They're the main offenders ... it'll be interesting to see what happens.
In the meantime, I'll see if I can suggest to some of the current
affairs TV shows that they publicize the fact that people don't have to
put up with telemarketing calls from companies they're customers of.

Bob

 

[Terryc]

Bob Parker wrote:

I dunno how everyone else is going, but my experience is that
companies like Telstra & banks etc seem to have the attitude that now
that they alone are allowed to call people, they can do as much
high-pressure telemarketing of products to their existing customers as
they like.
The only difference is that their calling numbers aren't blocked. I'm
getting really sick of them.

If the call starts
"We'd like tothank you for being a Telstra customer......."
Just say "thank you" and hang up.

Only took a few calls before the droids stopped,
but I do not have MOB, which I understand they are spruiking atm.

 

[Bob Parker]

On 3/08/2007 15:45 Bob Parker wrote:

Telstra responded positively to my e-mail requesting removal from
their telemarketing lists. They asked for a few identifying details and
said it would be acted on.
Westpac replied and said they're following up my complaint/request.
They're the main offenders ... it'll be interesting to see what happens.
In the meantime, I'll see if I can suggest to some of the current
affairs TV shows that they publicize the fact that people don't have to
put up with telemarketing calls from companies they're customers of.

Bob

Update.... I just got this as part of a reply from Westpac:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"I refer to your concern raised with the bank regarding you receiving
calls from Westpac.

Please accept my apologies for any inconvenience this matter has caused
and thank you for taking the time to address your concerns with us.

I have tried to contact you on the telephone number provided without
success.

I have taken your name off our marketing lists. However, some of our
lists are made up in advance and this may lead to you receiving further
calls over the next couple of weeks. Again I sincerely apologise if
this should happen.

The ACMA's telephone Do Not Call Registry does not include banks or
charities."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Even the telemarketing banks don't seem to know that the ACMA rules
apply to them too. I might just phone this person and enlighten her.


Bob

 

[Phil Allison]

"Bob Parker"

Update.... I just got this as part of a reply from Westpac:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"I refer to your concern raised with the bank regarding you receiving
calls from Westpac.

Please accept my apologies for any inconvenience this matter has caused
and thank you for taking the time to address your concerns with us.

I have tried to contact you on the telephone number provided without
success.

I have taken your name off our marketing lists. However, some of our
lists are made up in advance and this may lead to you receiving further
calls over the next couple of weeks. Again I sincerely apologise if this
should happen.

The ACMA's telephone Do Not Call Registry does not include banks or
charities."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Even the telemarketing banks don't seem to know that the ACMA rules
apply to them too. I might just phone this person and enlighten her.

** Hang on a mo - what the email says is basically correct.

Banks ( and many other similar businesses ) are not required to "wash" the
telephone phone numbers of their OWN customers with the DNCR before
phoning them.

Westpac must however respect your SPECIFIC request for no more product
marketing calls.

Westpac can still phone you anytime they like about other matters relating
to your account/s with them.



........ Phil

 

[Bob Parker]

On 10/08/2007 13:02 Phil Allison wrote:

** Hang on a mo - what the email says is basically correct.

Banks ( and many other similar businesses ) are not required to "wash" the
telephone phone numbers of their OWN customers with the DNCR before
phoning them.

Westpac must however respect your SPECIFIC request for no more product
marketing calls.

Westpac can still phone you anytime they like about other matters relating
to your account/s with them.


....... Phil

I was in a bit of a hurry when I wrote that. You're entirely right
of course.
Anyhow, I had a talk to one of their people and everything's sorted
out now. He told me he was sick of telemarketing calls from Telstra and
I told him to e-mail them and request removal from their marketing list
like I did.

Bob

 

[Bob Parker]

I was wondering about the unidentified numbers which have been
triggering my calling number display without leaving a message on the
answering machine for the last few days.
It was one of Westpac's contractors trying to sell me death insurance.
I've just e-mailed Westpac again, telling them that next time I'll
take it to the ACMA, since they've already said I've been removed from
their telemarketing list. They don't give up easily, do they Don?

Bob

 

[Don McKenzie]

Bob Parker wrote:

I was wondering about the unidentified numbers which have been
triggering my calling number display without leaving a message on the
answering machine for the last few days.
It was one of Westpac's contractors trying to sell me death insurance.
I've just e-mailed Westpac again, telling them that next time I'll
take it to the ACMA, since they've already said I've been removed from
their telemarketing list. They don't give up easily, do they Don?

Bob

Well Bob, even when you report these companies, the DNC Register sends you email
messages saying that they are giving companies time to adjust to the new
regulations.

I have made 4 reports now. How long do you give the DNC register before they
should start taking some real action?

Don...




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[Bob Parker]

On 23/09/2007 06:43 Don McKenzie wrote:

Well Bob, even when you report these companies, the DNC Register sends
you email messages saying that they are giving companies time to adjust
to the new regulations.

I have made 4 reports now. How long do you give the DNC register before
they should start taking some real action?

Don...

Thanks for the info. If the DNC threat doesn't work, I might have
to follow your example and tell Westpac that I'll change banks.

Bob

 

[Trevor Wilson]

Don McKenzie wrote:

Bob Parker wrote:
I was wondering about the unidentified numbers which have been
triggering my calling number display without leaving a message on the
answering machine for the last few days.
It was one of Westpac's contractors trying to sell me death insurance.
I've just e-mailed Westpac again, telling them that next time I'll
take it to the ACMA, since they've already said I've been removed from
their telemarketing list. They don't give up easily, do they Don?

Bob

Well Bob, even when you report these companies, the DNC Register sends
you email messages saying that they are giving companies time to adjust
to the new regulations.

I have made 4 reports now. How long do you give the DNC register before
they should start taking some real action?

**Yeah, me too. The DNC register is useless. Mind you: The number of
telemarketing calls to my 'phone has dropped dramatically. Complaints,
however, just elecit feeble excuses from the regulator.

Trevor Wilson

--
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[Phil Allison]

"Trevor Wilson"
Don McKenzie wrote:

I have made 4 reports now. How long do you give the DNC register before
they should start taking some real action?


**Yeah, me too. The DNC register is useless. Mind you: The number of
telemarketing calls to my 'phone has dropped dramatically.

** Anyone see a self contradiction here ??

PLUS:

A dramatic drop in annoying, unsolicited calls is EXACTLY what was intended
by the new law. Since legitimate survey takers, charities etc are still
allowed to call you - complete elimination was never the aim.

Complaints, however, just elecit feeble excuses from the regulator.

** Trevor Wilson is using his home phone for business purposes (ie for
Rage Audio) .

http://www.rageaudio.com.au/index.php?p=1_3

Such numbers are NOT entitled to be on the DNC register in the first place.

Wot a pathetic bullshitter.




....... Phil

 

[Rudolf]

What is the story with business numbers?
You can not list it in "do not call" register!

I just got an e-mail from them saying that only residential numbers are
allowed to be listed in "do not call" register.

Rudolf

"Bob Parker" <bobp.deletethis@bluebottle.com> wrote in message
news:46f471d1$0$28203$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...

I was wondering about the unidentified numbers which have been
triggering my calling number display without leaving a message on the
answering machine for the last few days.
It was one of Westpac's contractors trying to sell me death insurance.
I've just e-mailed Westpac again, telling them that next time I'll take
it to the ACMA, since they've already said I've been removed from their
telemarketing list. They don't give up easily, do they Don?

Bob

 

[Phil Allison]

"Rudolf"

What is the story with business numbers?
You can not list it in "do not call" register!

I just got an e-mail from them saying that only residential numbers are
allowed to be listed in "do not call" register.

** I've got a really amazing idea for you ..............

learn to fucking read !!!!

https://www.donotcall.gov.au/consumerfaq.cfm

http://www.acma.gov.au/webwr/_assets/main/lib310037/is130-dncr_consumers-private_or_domestic_numbers.pdf





...... Phil

 

[Rudolf]

And I love you too Phil.

The real question is (spelling you out as you did not get it) "Why is that
acceptable to disturb business people?"
Answering those unwanted calls is a waste of time and money.

Rudolf

"Phil Allison" <philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
news:5lonbrF948s3U1@mid.individual.net...

"Rudolf"

What is the story with business numbers?
You can not list it in "do not call" register!

I just got an e-mail from them saying that only residential numbers are
allowed to be listed in "do not call" register.


** I've got a really amazing idea for you ..............

learn to fucking read !!!!

https://www.donotcall.gov.au/consumerfaq.cfm

http://www.acma.gov.au/webwr/_assets/main/lib310037/is130-dncr_consumers-private_or_domestic_numbers.pdf





..... Phil

 

[John Tserkezis]

Rudolf wrote:

And I love you too Phil.

Everybody loves Phil. If by everybody you mean no-one but his mother.

The real question is (spelling you out as you did not get it) "Why is that
acceptable to disturb business people?"
Answering those unwanted calls is a waste of time and money.

Because Phil will stick to the letter of what the 'do not call register'
stands for. Nothing useful. He doesn't count "allowed" callers as callers.
In real life, we the end users really don't care if the call comes from
someone flogging penis enlargement pills, or the royal society for charity.
At the end of the day, it's still one more call we have to take that is
counter-productive to our working day. This doesn't matter to Phil, because
it's within the do not call register "rules".

The do not call register has that many exceptions that it would make
virtually no difference at the end of the day to the telemarketers.

In fact, relating to your question to business customers, I can only
possibly see it get WORSE. If they had unabated freedom to call anyone,
anytime, and now they don't, they will _NOT_ just call less to meet their
restrictions. They will concentrate their calls to the demographic and hours
they can.

In other words, it's going to get worse. Or, at least, it's not going to
get better anyway.
I KNOW some have noted a reduction in calls, but personally (and the the
only reliable guide I have, is myself), I haven't noted ANY difference at all.

This has nothing to do with being acceptable. The do not call register is
purely a political move to make it "look like" they're doing something about
it, when in fact, it's little more than nothing.
This political smoke and mirrors doesn't last long, but it doesn't have to-
it just has to fool enough people for long enough to get to the next election.

Much like the wonderful free downloadable $186 million NetAlert "web filter"
software that was hacked by a teenager.
--
Linux Registered User # 302622
<http://counter.li.org>

 

[Phil Allison]

"Rudolf"

And I love you too Phil.

The real question is (spelling you out as you did not get it) "Why is that
acceptable to disturb business people?"

** That IS explained in what you STILL have not READ !!!!!!!

Bloody idiot.



........ Phil

"Rudolf"

What is the story with business numbers?
You can not list it in "do not call" register!

I just got an e-mail from them saying that only residential numbers are
allowed to be listed in "do not call" register.


** I've got a really amazing idea for you ..............

learn to fucking read !!!!

https://www.donotcall.gov.au/consumerfaq.cfm

http://www.acma.gov.au/webwr/_assets/main/lib310037/is130-dncr_consumers-private_or_domestic_numbers.pdf

 

[Phil Allison]

"John Jerkshis till it falls off "


** FUCK OFF


- you vile WANKER !!





...... Phil

 

[kreed]

On Aug 1, 5:45 pm, Bob Parker <bobp.deletet...@bluebottle.com> wrote:

On 4/05/2007 14:35 Phil Allison wrote:



** Hi to all my fans ....

Bet you have ALL been waiting for this for years !!!!

The Australian Government "Do Not Call" register is finally set up.

http://www.dcita.gov.au/communications_for_consumers/telephone_servic...

You can register up to 3 private numbers, home or mobile, on line.

Unfortunately it won't stop 100% of those annoying calls - but will likely
stop most of the telephone spammers.

A new Industry Standard requires callers ( in the excluded categories) to
identify themselves and NOT use numbers that are blocked to Caller ID.

See:

http://www.acma.gov.au/WEB/STANDARD//pc=PC_100642

....... Phil

I dunno how everyone else is going, but my experience is that
companies like Telstra & banks etc seem to have the attitude that now
that they alone are allowed to call people, they can do as much
high-pressure telemarketing of products to their existing customers as
they like.
The only difference is that their calling numbers aren't blocked.
I'm getting really sick of them.

Bob

I have had several calls in the last 2 weeks from Telstra - and its
usually a different local "telstra shop" (including a local area phone
number) rather than a telstra call centre? Also annoying is that they
(unsolicited) also seem to happily quote all sorts of account details
etc at you, I would think a reseller shouldnt have this info without
your request in relation to trying to shaft you from CDMA to NextG.
When I refer to the NextG as "those phones that have the really bad
coverage compared to CDMA" They seem to get a bit put out by this, and
they really must be pushing to sell this stuff.

Also I noticed on ACA today about the recording of customer
conversations in telstra shops, and shipping the recordings off to the
USA for evaluation. This was very disturbing, and Im starting to
wonder what is the lowest limit of depths this company will go to.

The rubbish from the banks has been happening once more, and its never
about anything useful - always rubbish like insurance etc. Responses
like "Im more interested in converting to a fee free account" usually
result in confusion.

 

[kreed]

On Sep 24, 11:24 am, "Rudolf" <aus_electron...@rumatech.com> wrote:

What is the story with business numbers?
You can not list it in "do not call" register!

I just got an e-mail from them saying that only residential numbers are
allowed to be listed in "do not call" register.

Rudolf

That is one hole in the system for small business operators. If you
are running a business from home, about the only thing I can suggest
is listing your mobile number, rather than the home number as your
business number, and use the fixed line number as a home number (dont
list it anywhere as a business contact, and have the phone account in
your name). This will at least make the bastard spam callers pay
mobile rates to call you, rather than cheap landline rates.

On the downside, paying mobile rates might discourage legit customers,
but you will have to balance this with the amount of time wasted each
day (and productivity loss) attending to spam calls.

"Bob Parker" <bobp.deletet...@bluebottle.com> wrote in message

news:46f471d1$0$28203$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...

I was wondering about the unidentified numbers which have been
triggering my calling number display without leaving a message on the
answering machine for the last few days.
It was one of Westpac's contractors trying to sell me death insurance.
I've just e-mailed Westpac again, telling them that next time I'll take
it to the ACMA, since they've already said I've been removed from their
telemarketing list. They don't give up easily, do they Don?

Bob